Robert Fisk's World: Why does the US think it can win in Afghanistan?
The Taliban are better trained, and – sad to say – increasingly tolerated by the local civilian population
Saturday, 20 September 2008
Poor old Algerians. They are being served the same old pap from their cruel government. In 1997, the Pouvoir announced a "final victory" over their vicious Islamist enemies. On at least three occasions, I reported – not, of course, without appropriate cynicism – that the Algerian authorities believed their enemies were finally beaten because the "terrorists" were so desperate that they were beheading every man, woman and child in the villages they captured in the mountains around Algiers and Oran.
And now they're at it again. After a ferocious resurgence of car bombing by their newly merged "al-Qa'ida in the Maghreb" antagonists, the decrepit old FLN government in Algiers has announced the "terminal phase" in its battle against armed Islamists. As the Algerian journalist Hocine Belaffoufi said with consummate wit the other day, "According to this political discourse ... the increase in attacks represents undeniable proof of the defeat of terrorism. The more terrorism collapsed, the more the attacks increased ... so the stronger (terrorism) becomes, the fewer attacks there will be."
We, of course, have been peddling this crackpot nonsense for years in south-west Asia. First of all, back in 2001, we won the war in Afghanistan by overthrowing the Taliban. Then we marched off to win the war in Iraq. Now – with at least one suicide bombing a day and the nation carved up into mutually antagonistic sectarian enclaves – we have won the war in Iraq and are heading back to re-win the war in Afghanistan where the Taliban, so thoroughly trounced by our chaps seven years ago, have proved their moral and political bankruptcy by recapturing half the country.
It seems an age since Donald "Stuff Happens" Rumsfeld declared,"A government has been put in place (in Afghanistan), and the Islamists are no more the law in Kabul. Of course, from time to time a hand grenade, a mortar explodes – but in New York and in San Francisco, victims also fall. As for me, I'm full of hope." Oddly, back in the Eighties, I heard exactly the same from a Soviet general at the Bagram airbase in Afghanistan – yes, the very same Bagram airbase where the CIA lads tortured to death a few of the Afghans who escaped the earlier Russian massacres. Only "terrorist remnants" remained in the Afghan mountains, the jolly Russian general assured us. Afghan troops, along with the limited Soviet "intervention" forces, were restoring peace to democratic Afghanistan.
And now? After the "unimaginable" progress in Iraq – I am quoting the fantasist who still occupies the White House – the Americans are going to hip-hop 8,000 soldiers out of Mesopotamia and dump another 4,700 into the hellfire of Afghanistan. Too few, too late, too slow, as one of my French colleagues commented acidly. It would need at least another 10,000 troops to hope to put an end to these Taliban devils who are now equipped with more sophisticated weapons, better trained and increasingly – sad to say – tolerated by the local civilian population. For Afghanistan, read Irakistan.
Back in the late 19th century, the Taliban – yes, the British actually called their black-turbaned enemies "Talibs" – would cut the throats of captured British soldiers. Now this unhappy tradition is repeated – and we are surprised! Two of the American soldiers seized when the Taliban stormed into their mountain base on 13 July this year were executed by their captors.
And now it turns out that four of the 10 French troops killed in Afghanistan on 18 August surrendered to the Taliban, and were almost immediately executed. Their interpreter had apparently disappeared shortly before their mission began – no prizes for what this might mean – and the two French helicopters which might have helped to save the day were too busy guarding the hopeless and impotent Afghan President Hamid Karzai to intervene on behalf of their own troops. A French soldier described the Taliban with brutal frankness. "They are good soldiers but pitiless enemies."
The Soviet general at Bagram now has his amanuensis in General David McKiernan, the senior US officer in Afghanistan, who proudly announced last month that US forces had killed "between 30 and 35 Taliban" in a raid on Azizabad near Herat. "In the light of emerging evidence pertaining (sic) to civilian casualties in the ... counter-insurgency operation," the luckless general now says, he feels it "prudent" – another big sic here – to review his original investigation. The evidence "pertaining", of course, is that the Americans probably killed 90 people in Azizabad, most of them women and children. We – let us be frank and own up to our role in the hapless Nato alliance in Afghanistan – have now slaughtered more than 500 Afghan civilians this year alone. These include a Nato missile attack on a wedding party in July when we splattered 47 of the guests all over the village of Deh Bala.
And Obama and McCain really think they're going to win in Afghanistan – before, I suppose, rushing their soldiers back to Iraq when the Baghdad government collapses. What the British couldn't do in the 19th century and what the Russians couldn't do at the end of the 20th century, we're going to achieve at the start of the 21 century, taking our terrible war into nuclear-armed Pakistan just for good measure. Fantasy again.
Joseph Conrad, who understood the powerlessness of powerful nations, would surely have made something of this. Yes, we have lost after we won in Afghanistan and now we will lose as we try to win again. Stuff happens.
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Robert I just want to draw your attention towards an article published in the global research which makes clear that American intentions are to stay in this region and it specifically points out that let alone Afghanistan it is also eying on the resources of Pakistan especially in the province of Baluchistan where vast gas reserves are found and potentially that area also has huge oil reserves above all that that province has deep sea port from where you can control the straights of Hormuz. 30 percent of daily oil transportation takes place through straights of Hormuz. it is widely feared in Pakistan that America and west wants to break up Pakistan and recent American raids on the soil of Pakistan increase these fears.
Posted by saad | 26.09.08, 03:21 GMT
my question is why are they in afganistan when osama bin laden hasnt been officially been convicted or even charged with perpetrating the 9/11 terror attacks. The fbi say the evidence isnt there. Bin laden is their assett we know that much. In america now we're looking at the fourth reich. with reich meaning empire. They're completely owned by the private banks. congress, with the exception of a very few people as well as the senate and executive branch's in america are a complete disgrace. They have all betrayed their oath of office.
Posted by simon lomax | 25.09.08, 23:50 GMT
Robert, at times concerning Afghanistan and Irag war, people get carried away thinking the Ameicans will apology for murdering innocent children, women & old people, they don't give a damn, but not you.
Almost finished your massive book on wars, this should be the bible for the ICC.
Please keep up your good work, trust you will read this, and other comment, concerning your story that appeared today.
Best Regards.
Posted by ray smith | 25.09.08, 11:16 GMT
OMG ... why is everyone so LOUD. Remember 'empty vessels make the most noise'. Let's step back and come up with some cool ideas that might actually HELP with the situation!
Why don't we help the Taleban turn into a democratic party. And then just hold normal elections, and stop the fighting! Please!
Posted by p | 24.09.08, 00:12 GMT
Scott: how about the zealots that might kill your sister / niece / daughter / wife / cousin for visiting a fertility clinic, whatever her reason? How about the cult of the lead right foot? Over here, the percentage of our total population that's died on the roads between the ages of 5 and 16 exceeds the percentage of your population that died in the crashes and collapses on 9/11. Last I heard, Saddam had nothing to do with those incidents. I keep hearing "they hate our freedoms" from people supporting the use of 9/11 as reason for discarding your "first, second, fourth, fifth, seventh and probably twenty-third amendment rights".
Memski: see also the NYPD thug lunging at a cyclist during Critical Mass New York and shoving him to the floor, and many more incidents.
The more war-lovers' words I read, the wiser Iron Maiden seem. "As the reasons for the carnage cut their meat and lick the gravy, we oil up the jaws of the war machine and feed it with our babies."
Posted by CN | 23.09.08, 22:01 GMT
No doubt a lover of literature, I leave you with a quote worth pondering over;"An armed conflict between nations horrifies us. But the economic war is no better than an armed conflict. This is like a surgical operation. An economic war is prolonged torture . The movement against war is sound. I pray for its success. But I cannot help the gnawing fear that the movement will fail if it does not touch the root of all evil human greed.
Posted by decisys | 23.09.08, 20:57 GMT
Mr Darcy: I think your questions need to be turned inside out. Certain USA interests helped to forge the experiment in the Southern Cone to what judge Carlos Rozanski said "was a genocide". That genocide/democracy is now being brought to Afghanistan, Iraq and anywhere else they determine Chicago School policies will make more money. The "violent political/religious movements" you can easily be more appropriately interpreted as the USA. I don't think the tens of thousands who have died and 100000's tortured in Chile, Argentina, Brazil wanted "western style democracies" neither do the Afghans! From Indonesia to Iran to South Africa the list goes on... Does being an Obama supporter mean that you are not brainwashed? Does it make you more human?
Posted by decisys | 23.09.08, 20:54 GMT
Mr. Fisk: Your analysis is moral relativism at its most pathetic. Do powerful nations have to stop every act of genocide - human or social? No. But can"t we agree that violent political/religious movements may find sanctuary in unstable countries/areas from which they either spread, or even train and supply other violent destabilizing groups? As misguided as the Iraq War is, the Afghan War is entirely justified. If you believe in fundamental social values borne in the renaissance - freedom of thought, social and gender equality, scientific inquiry, tolerance - and embraced by western style democracies, then the Taliban are an anathema for which we should give no quarter. The defeatism reflected in your piece is something that I, a father to daughters and an Obama supporter, do not share. Indeed, your piece only encourages those here who view Europe as the place where self sacrifice is rarely made. Sacrifice is a painful fight. If it takes 10,000 more troops, then so be it.
Posted by A Darcy | 23.09.08, 18:44 GMT
I can't help but cringe at the mere tone that projects your apardheid ridden comments plaasjaapie. Now that you live in the UK/US, where you are treated as more of an equal rather than the master, I can't help but wondering if you still long for the slaves you had working in your house. Was it Bloemfontein or Harare your former home? Perhaps I should mention Angola while I'm at it...
Posted by decisys | 23.09.08, 17:15 GMT
"when Mosaddeq privatised BA-I oil" oops; should read "After Mossaddeq Nationalised Anglo-Iranian oil"
Posted by decisys | 23.09.08, 16:59 GMT
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