Hamish McRae: It's bad, may get worse, but it's no Great Depression
Thursday, 9 October 2008
The world's monetary authorities are at last really trying to reassert their power over the financial markets. They have not yet succeeded and they will have to do more, maybe much more, but eventually they will win. Or at least they always have in the past 75 years. You have to think that the world is facing something akin to the Great Depression of the 1930s to believe that they will fail.
For a start, the fire-power of the world's central banks, particularly when acting together, is huge. They can flood the world with money almost without limit, hence reinforcing the changes in interest rates such as they agreed on yesterday. Central banks don't act in concert very often. The last time I recall was a pact in 1985 to support the dollar. This time there will have to be more interest rate cuts around the world, but one of the messages yesterday was that there will be. This is the start of global interest rate disarmament. It was also great in show-biz terms to get the Chinese on board, since the Chinese economy has become the principal source of growth in the world.
The second way in which the authorities are taking charge is by supporting the banks. The response has had to come from governments and it has been pretty mixed. You would expect that. Governments had to make it up as they went along.
Not all have succeeded. The wooden spoon clearly goes to Iceland but the US has done none-too-well either. Continental European governments have done rather better with their bank rescues and this latest British plan makes a great deal of sense because it goes to the heart of the problem. It will give the banks access to whatever capital they need to keep functioning. You cannot do this well for that is not in the nature of the beast, but the British authorities are doing it better than most.
Getting the world's banking system moving again is a necessary precondition to averting a serious economic slump. There was always going to be some sort of global slowdown but the loss of confidence in the financial markets has made matters worse, potentially much worse. Markets reflect what they think will happen to the economy, but also help shape it. The markets are now in blue funk mode, signalling they believe that the forthcoming downturn will be serious indeed. They are not in the utter despair of the mid-1970s, the feeling that governments have lost control over monetary policy, their budgets, everything.
But the negative response to the British bank rescue plan and to the global interest rate cuts is undoubtedly troubling. You could say that what they are suggesting is that this downturn will be similar to that of the 1990s, a nasty but "conventional" post-war recession. That may happen, though my own view is that the UK may pull through in somewhat better shape than it did then. But could it be worse still – something more akin to the 1930s Depression?
I can think of at least half-a-dozen reasons why the present situation is quite different to that after the 1929 share price crash.
First, what is happening now follows a long period of rising prosperity, the longest such period the world has ever known. In the 1930s the world was still recovering from the destruction of half the accumulated wealth of the 19th century.
Second, there were deep rivalries and even hatreds between major nations that made economic co-operation virtually impossible and encouraged the rise of trade barriers and competitive devaluations. As a result world trade halved, making recovery very difficult.
Third, the US allowed many banks to go bust, leading to a breakdown in commercial activity. The US has a deeper recession than any other major nation. This time, pace Lehman, it will patch things up.
Fourth, countries followed what they thought were sound fiscal policies, trying to balance their budgets, cutting spending as their tax revenues fell. This time budget deficits will be allowed to rise.
Fifth, price levels in the 1930s were falling, so even very low nominal interest rates were high in real terms and investment funds were therefore expensive. Now prices are rising so low interest rates are more likely to boost investment.
Finally, global demand will be maintained by China, which in the 1930s was not a force in world trade. Now it is probably the world's third largest economy, so though much of the developed world may go into some sort of recession, we are not talking a decline for the world as a whole.
So yes, maybe something like the early 1990s, though that is not at all certain, but the 1930s? Unless something unspeakably dreadful happens in the coming months, absolutely not.
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Not many get it yet. This is the endgame for the capitalist system and the productive capacity is no longer able to generate wealth because of internal contradictions. Soon the real economy will collapse - and it will be terrifying when this happens. Mass unemployment of 50% or 60% will occur simultaneously throughout the globalised economy. It is going to be a time of crisis like no other in the human race as seen. The resulting die-off will be appalling as in a matter of months half the worlds population will starve. The resulting social chaos will mark this the beginning of the collapse and within five years only a few hundred million surivors will exist in isolated enclaves(not nations) around the globe. The tragedy is that this could all have been prevented if we had put behavioural biologists rather than economists in charge of the global system. Economists are little more than astrologers whose bottom line is growth(& by implication collapse) - rather than adaption.
Posted by kevin | 10.10.08, 15:42 GMT
"All we want is what the is what the young want a thunder dome but more on that story later over too Alistair "
So another news bulletin starts & the chicken and egg debate rolls on outside all is normal i guess it was in 1929 i hope i am wrong we will find out in Jan 2009.
Posted by RSBridgman | 10.10.08, 13:50 GMT
"All we want is what the is what the young want a thunder dome but more on that story later over too Alistair "
So another news bulletin starts & the chicken and egg debate rolls on outside all normal i guess it in 1929 i hope i am wrong we will find out in Jan 2009.
Posted by RSBridgman | 10.10.08, 13:48 GMT
Hamish, I appreciate your effort to calm us readers. I'm a police officer who has recently witnessed an increase in violent crimes in my community. Right now, there are many Americans out of work who are running out of hope. It doesn't take rocket science to know the credit market has been over expanded. It takes a lot of nerve to put gas on this fire by expanding credit even more with the recent so-called 700 billion dollar bailout. The money would have been better spent by giving it to the people and contracting credit. My friend the depression is coming whether you like it or not. The only advice I can give you is to purchase plenty of dry goods, beans, rice, powder milk etc and prepare your family so they can deal with this until it passes.
Posted by mark | 10.10.08, 10:34 GMT
Chill out folks! Why all the panic? Nothing has changed in terms of the wealth or productive capacity of the world. All we are seeing is a realignment of PRICES (including houses, and bank stocks) after a long period of inflation. It is going to be painful for those who had mentally banked their old valuations. But nothing has changed. There has been no loss of wealth. Nobody is any poorer. It's all in the mind.
Posted by paulo | 10.10.08, 03:15 GMT
Sorry, Hamish but you have been in denial for a long time over crisis and have lost the plot. Your article a month or so ago saying 'the crisis is over' indicates your reliability.
Nearly all commentators and virtually all government spokespersons continue to give unreasonably optimistic financial prognoses as the contrary will only speed the inevitable. Sure, this crisis may blow over and Western economies may lurch to undesirable growth again but the fundamentals are that capitalism is an unstable and bankrupt system that is destroying the planet. The God of growth is at the root of the problem. When global warming kicks in within a decade or so, this crisis will appear irrelevant.
It is better for the current crisis to find its own level with all the attendant pain than to pretend that we can return to the status quo ante.
Posted by YesMunster | 10.10.08, 00:08 GMT
This drivel on top of all the fraud, corruption and hypocrisy just makes me want to ... well, give up in utter disbelief and disgust.
Posted by Tina Basha | 09.10.08, 23:05 GMT
Tom: I can understand and even sympathise with your anger. But Happy Hamish is paid to write this sort of Pollyanna drivel. We proles have to be mollified on a daily basis you see; reassured that all is for the best in the best of all possible world's. And who better to do this than laughing boy himself HH. Financial jouranlists, particularly of the sycophantic apologetic genre of the McCrae type were, in Marx's famous observation ''hired prize fighters'' he added that ''It was ... no longer a question of whether this theorem or that theorem were true, but whether it were useful to capital or harmful, expedient or inexpedient, politically dangerous or not.'' Of course they do not think of themselves as such; they in all probability regard themselves as the repositories of wisdom and truth. Nonethless mainstream economics and economists are little more than an ideological justification for a continuation of the status quo. There is no alternative to capitalism you see. Amen
Posted by Frank | 09.10.08, 21:58 GMT
"It's bad, may get worse, but it's no Great Depression"
Hamish McRae. Why should I pay any attention to you? "It's no Great Depression". How many times have we read words of reassurance in the press only for the following week to have some new catastrophe engulf us.
You haven't got a f---ing clue, have you? None of you journos have the first f---ing clue where this is heading so keep your stupid opinions to yourself.
Posted by Tom | 09.10.08, 21:38 GMT
Whether this is a re-run of the thirties is a red herring. It is totally irrelevant. What this crisis represents is the abject failure of all the free market nostrums Brown, Blair, Bush and Greenspan have been spouting for more than a decade. The extent of the crisis has averted our attention from this simple fact. Brown pontificates about curbing bonuses as if he never defended them in the first place. The Anglo-Saxon world of laissez-faire is a disaster inflicted on the rest of the world which never deserved and never profited from its precepts. Indeed it is suffering because of them. Victory goes to those Europeans who never subcribed to 'cool Britannia' and whose sense of social justice has proved to fairer and better than anything New Labour dreamed up. It is their system of financial oversight and regulation which is now going to be introduced. This is the bitter truth Brown is not telling you. This is what he signed up to in Paris - as Sarkozy said 'a new Bretton Woods'.
Posted by john Walter | 09.10.08, 21:37 GMT
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