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Johann Hari: From North Carolina, a model of how to transform education

It's proven that schools will succeed if they are genuinely comprehensive


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The chief executive of Tesco, Britain's largest private employer, has issued a warning: are kids dont no nuffink. Terry Leahy said this week that our educational standards are "woefully low", and that young recruits to Tesco often have to be taught basic literacy, numeracy and communication skills before they can be unleashed on the aisles or stockrooms.

He's not alone. This warning rumbles across the country. A friend of mine is an academic at a middle-ranking university, and she recently showed me some of her students' essays. "It's quite normal for them not to know how to use paragraphs, or commas, or to be able to spell," she said, shaking her head. Some are barely literate, despite a clutch of A-levels. She found the same at two other universities.

It's not enough to glibly announce that there's no problem, as the Government did this week. Yes, a Chicken Little cry that educational standards are plummeting echoes across every age: one of the oldest tablets ever discovered in an archaeological dig warns that the kids of today aren't what they use to be. Yes, there are still a lot of good schools. Yet there are more children getting into Oxbridge every year from the pool of 300 kids at Eton than from the 300,000 kids on free school meals. Either you believe those Etonians are born smarter – an absurd proposition – or our school system is failing poor children on a vast scale. How many great minds are we allowing to atrophy just because they weren't born to wealth?

It doesn't have to be like this. A far better system is possible; we just need to follow the evidence. And the road-map runs through – of all places – North Carolina. Something extraordinary has been happening in the state's schools over the past few decades, and the best guide to this experiment is an important new book by Professor Gerald Grant called Hope and Despair in the American City: Why There Are No Bad Schools in Raleigh.

He looks at two very similar cities – Syracuse in New York State, and Raleigh in North Carolina. They are both 1950s boomtowns turned to 1980s ghost towns. It's the same-old, sad-old story: industry shrivelled and the white middle classes stampeded to the suburbs, leaving behind shell-cities scarred by poverty. Yet there is today an extraordinary gap between these cities. In Syracuse, only 25 per cent of 12-year-olds can read, write or do arithmetic to the appropriate basic level – while in Raleigh, it is 91 per cent. Almost all of the schools in Syracuse fail; none of the schools in Raleigh do. What are they doing differently?

Raleigh's governors decided to do something bold and unconventional: they looked to the scientific evidence. In 1966, Professor James Coleman was commissioned by the White House to conduct the largest study, to that time, of what makes good pupils succeed and bad pupils fail. After years of on-the-ground analysis, he came up with something nobody expected. He found that the single biggest factor determining whether you do well at school or not isn't your parents, your teachers, your school buildings or your genes. It was, overwhelmingly, the other kids sitting in the classroom with you. If a critical mass of them are demotivated, pissed off and disobedient, you won't learn much. But if a critical mass of them are hard-working, keen and stick to the rules, you will probably learn. Watch any 10-year-old: they are little machines for snuffling out the sensitivities of their peer group, and conforming to them.

Facing their schools' failure in the 1980s, the Raleigh school board returned to this evidence and tried to puzzle out: how should it change the way we run our schools? Touring the schools, they could see why the research was right. Children from poor families need more help than kids from rich families. They are more likely to have chaotic home lives, less likely to have the importance of education drilled into them from birth, and they have lower expectations for themselves.

In small numbers, in an ordered environment, these poor children can quickly be brought up to the level of the rest, and indeed exceed them in many cases. But when they form the majority of a school's pupils, the teachers can't cope, discipline breaks down, and learning stops. A school for poor children soon becomes a poor school.

So they formulated a bold – and strikingly simple – solution. They wouldn't allow any school, by law, to have more than 40 per cent of its children on free school meals, or more than 25 per cent of children who were a grade below their expected level in reading or maths. Suddenly, the children who needed the most help wouldn't be lumped together where their problems would become insurmountable; they would be broken up and fanned out across the educational system. Raleigh merged its school system with white suburban Wake County, so they became one entity, sharing pupils. In order to soothe suburban suspicion at this change, Raleigh turned a third of its inner-city schools into specialist academies, offering excellent music or drama or language specialisms. Soon, children were bussing in both directions every morning, in and out of the suburbs.

Many conservatives savaged the plan as "social engineering" and said it was doomed to fail. Some parents were angry, and a few decamped for the private school system – until the results came in. Within a decade, Raleigh went from one of the worst-performing districts in America to one of the best. The test scores of poor kids doubled, while those of wealthier children also saw a slight increase. Teenage pregnancies, crime and high school drop-out rates fell substantially.

It's not hard to see why. Each school had a core majority who respected the rules and valued education – and the other kids normalised to their standards. Those who found it tough could now be given special attention, because they weren't any longer surrounded by a mass of equally troubled kids. Today, 94 per cent of parents in Raleigh say they are happy with their child's education. School boards supporting this integration keep getting re-elected.

Raleigh succeeded because it built genuinely comprehensive schools: in which rich, middle-class and poor kids learned together. In Britain, we tell ourselves we have built "comprehensives" – but, except in a few enclaves, we have done nothing of the sort.

We allocate school places according to how close you live to a school. This immediately creates a social apartheid where middle-class children have successful schools in leafy suburbs, while poorer children are ring-fenced in sink schools and end up at Tesco at 16 with few useable skills. (Rich children are creamed off entirely into private schools.) Comprehensivisation didn't fail; it didn't happen.

There are only a few areas in Britain with genuinely mixed schools, like Grampian – and they get the best overall results. At the opposite end of the spectrum is Kent, where children from the middle and the rich are creamed off into grammar schools in which just one per cent of kids are on free school meals. They have the worst overall results in the country.

So we know how to make schools work: integrate them. Occasionally, our politicians take a tiny step that brings us closer to this. The Labour council in Brighton allocates school places by lottery; the Tories say they will abandon catchment areas, letting a few poor kids slip through. But both only tinker at the extreme social segregation that crowbars apart the educational system.

Integration is a good policy for bleak recession times since it delivers dramatic improvements at little extra cost. Raleigh actually spends less than the US national average on its schools, and 25 per cent less per pupil than failing Syracuse. In the long term, integration actually saves us a fortune in welfare payments and prevented crime.

Yes, the right will scream at first that it is "an attack on the middle class". In fact, it is a great compliment to the middle class: it wants to use their children and their values as the sun around which every child's education revolves. Yes, some parents will scream that they don't want their kids being taught alongside "chavs" and "pikeys". This should be called out bluntly – it is bigotry.

A democracy is based on a bargain: every child gets a chance to succeed, whatever their background. Today, we are breaking our deal. We are leaving millions of children to fail, just because their parents didn't have money. Do we want to be a country where our children are sorted at five into different playgrounds according to Daddy's bank account? Do we want to be an place where rich children only glimpse poor children from the car window as they are driven to their better, plusher school, and their better, plusher lives? Or do we want something better for our kids?

Our politicians insist that "we're all in this together". This will only be true if – at last, and at least – our children go to school together.

j.hari@independent.co.uk

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Tesco education
[info]jimfred wrote:
Thursday, 15 October 2009 at 11:50 pm (UTC)
As a middle aged,reasonably educated,literate and numerate person,I went to a Tesco "Open Day",a couple of years ago,as I had lost my job and was prepared to try and adapt.I was "knocked back",without the courtesey of an interview.
This episode,Sir Terry,bemoaning the poor standard of jobseeker,sounds to me like a "pitch" for TescoEducation.
Live in Tesco flat,work in Tesco,kids educated in Tesco.
I now work in job with young people,even the less educated ones are grafters and we all pull together.
So,please eff off with the coninuing rubbishing of the inheritors to the overdraft.
comment section
[info]jimfred wrote:
Thursday, 15 October 2009 at 11:51 pm (UTC)
p.s. nice to see the comment section is back
education
[info]gowithwi wrote:
Thursday, 15 October 2009 at 11:59 pm (UTC)
tesco moaning about learning standards does
take the piss out of their very own market
strategy. fact is that they won t employ anyone with to much brain
tesco of course would create the ideal dunce head .
tesco is public enemy no 1 . no one in their right mind
should take advice from some multi international
bunch of greengrocer anarcihsts at all
Comprehensivisation
[info]elevengoalposts wrote:
Friday, 16 October 2009 at 03:08 am (UTC)
This is a decent article on an important topic, Johann.

Typically, the student body of a lot of comprehensive schools is neither representative of the overall population, nor does it receive a "comprehensive" education.

Though it's generally recognized that the change over some 40 years has not been a success, but an escalating failure, no political party seems committed to making the necessary, difficult changes. Changes, yes, but probably inadequate ones.

They probably think the task is too large and too expensive to undertake (and it's certainly been beyond Labour's administrative abilities). They are probably right to some degree.

However, without correction, the ongoing, diminishing education standards will doom the future of humanity to a divide between a very small minority of educated people and maybe 90% of work fodder.

One wonders whether we are already beyond the tipping point.
(no subject) - [info] - Friday, 16 October 2009 at 03:15 am (UTC)
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Re: Best quality, Best reputation , Best services - [info]snotcricket - Friday, 16 October 2009 at 01:18 pm (UTC) Expand
Thank God for streaming in schools
[info]red_planet92 wrote:
Friday, 16 October 2009 at 03:22 am (UTC)
Johann, my experience in an inner city comprehensive was that my education only started after streaming kicked in (4th year). I'm quite serious. For years many of us sat in silence, and often fear, whilst a few pupils terrorised the teacher - and/or other pupils. Physical violence, screaming and threats were a daily occurrence. I've never fully got over it. Thank God for streaming when the real learning could begin; though streaming goes against your "genuinely comprehensive" education.

My experience is not that uncommon I think. I know nothing of your education but I suspect you didn't go through this experience. I wouldn't put my children through it either.

Re: Thank God for streaming in schools
[info]jamie129 wrote:
Friday, 16 October 2009 at 08:52 am (UTC)
That rather supports his argument, though. If you have a school dominated by poor attitudes, a few real psychos can rule the roost. Take that school and stream so that the top stream is dominated by people who want to learn, and that stream will do ok.

He would achieve the same end by mixing in motivated kids with stable backgrounds so that all classes were dominated by a good peer group.

I expected to hate this article, but it actually makes a lot of sense,
Re: Thank God for streaming in schools - [info]jaffgyp - Friday, 16 October 2009 at 09:59 am (UTC) Expand
Re: Thank God for streaming in schools - [info]jaffgyp - Friday, 16 October 2009 at 10:12 am (UTC) Expand
Re: Thank God for streaming in schools - [info]tone1201 - Friday, 16 October 2009 at 11:09 am (UTC) Expand
Re: Thank God for streaming in schools - [info]jaffgyp - Saturday, 17 October 2009 at 09:08 am (UTC) Expand
More American obsessiveness
[info]vince1952 wrote:
Friday, 16 October 2009 at 05:44 am (UTC)
Jeeez! What is it with this obsession with all things American?

We have a score of countries on our doorstep which manage to turn out well educated and literate children. Why do we have to take lesson from South Carolina? (No offence, meant, SC, but I doubt if you'd dream of sending a delegation here to study ANYTHING)

Do me a favour. Start looking around your own doorstep before telling us about SC. I have been impressed by so so many articulate Poles and bright well read Irish youths in the past year.

Most -if not all - of the problems experienced in British schools are because they have slavishly aped the American model; from SATs right up to the High School Prom.

The police are the same. If they want to 'learn' about coping with a sexually diverse community, they have to climb on a Jumbo Jet and travel to San Francisco instead of taking a bus to Amsterdam.

Re: More American obsessiveness
[info]fredransom wrote:
Friday, 16 October 2009 at 08:28 am (UTC)
North Carolina. Perhaps we should send the delegation?
Re: More American obsessiveness - [info]virginia_1976 - Friday, 16 October 2009 at 01:08 pm (UTC) Expand
Re: More American obsessiveness - [info]lordfalmouth - Friday, 16 October 2009 at 05:00 pm (UTC) Expand
Nothing new under the sun
[info]dinsylwy wrote:
Friday, 16 October 2009 at 06:36 am (UTC)
"They wouldn't allow any school, by law, to have more than... 25 per cent of children who were a grade below their expected level in reading or maths." Isn't that a bit like the grammar schools which we used to have? Why not bring them back?
Re: Nothing new under the sun
[info]maxmillerfan wrote:
Friday, 16 October 2009 at 12:00 pm (UTC)
No, it's the opposite of the grammar schools. It spreads the smartest kids around, rather than concentrating them in one place. Did you even read the article?
Re: Nothing new under the sun - [info]dinsylwy - Friday, 16 October 2009 at 10:23 pm (UTC) Expand
You don't need to go to North Carolina
[info]tallbendyman wrote:
Friday, 16 October 2009 at 06:51 am (UTC)
Just look at the Steiner Schools. Just look at how well-adjusted their pupils are. Just look at what useful members of society they come.

We have all we need on our own doorstep. Orthodox education is now a disaster, serving no-one. And that goes for many private schools as well, so in hock are they to league tables.

http://www.steinerwaldorf.org/

You know it makes sense
Re: You don't need to go to North Carolina
[info]tgroves wrote:
Friday, 16 October 2009 at 10:33 am (UTC)
Steiner schools are a front for a sinister cult
[info]mtvmalta wrote:
Friday, 16 October 2009 at 07:43 am (UTC)
This certainly makes more sense to me than what some are reported to have proposed in "Generation of pupils being put off school, report says" in this same issue. I well remember my pain and shock, some twenty five years, ago when I was told: "You can not train too many leaders." This was after I expressed dismay at how the country could afford to allow the masses in some boroughs to grow up so uneducated.
Syracuse vs Raleigh
[info]bielsaesdios wrote:
Friday, 16 October 2009 at 07:45 am (UTC)
Johan makes out that Syracuse and Raleigh are two very similar post-industrial cities, whereas the reality is somewhat different. The median household income in Raleigh was $46,000 in 2000 (due to its success in establishing itself as a high-tech and bio-tech hub) while in Syracuse it was $25,000. That makes Raleigh about twice as rich as Syracuse, which could be a much more powerful factor in why its schools are better, since richer families place more store by education than poorer ones. This fairly obvious differentiating factor undermines the arguments somewhat.
Re: Syracuse vs Raleigh
[info]ummabdulla wrote:
Friday, 16 October 2009 at 10:48 am (UTC)
There are some good points in the article, but it's true that Syracuse and Raleigh are very different. Raleigh is part of the "Research Triangle" in North Carolina, where there are several large universities; about half of the adult population has at least a bachelor's degree, and one could assume that education is particularly important to many families in the area.
OTHER EVIDENCE
[info]lustyglaze wrote:
Friday, 16 October 2009 at 07:56 am (UTC)
We don't need to look to American social experiments for our evidence, there is plenty of evidence in this country of systems that work. Primary education based on multiple intelligences and multisensory teaching and learning has been resoundingly successful, but, guess what, it doesn't conform to the regimented and prescriptive national curriculum, nor does creativity on that scale fit in with the grinding limitations of the national literacy strategy. It also requires properly trained teachers to deliver it - not people with a degree in any old thing who have done a crash course in classroom management (aka a PGCE - government, why insist all teachers have degrees and then lower the standard of degrees?!?). Why on earth, then, would the government adopt it? Far easier to tick their boxes and weigh their pigs in the hope that they will get the right numbers at the bottom of the page, in the mistaken belief that getting the right numbers will mean that children will be getting a good education. It is mind boggingly, nauseatingly, desperately depressing, that young minds are in the hands of such self serving, narrow minded and unintelligent managers.
Re: OTHER EVIDENCE
[info]derekemery wrote:
Friday, 16 October 2009 at 09:04 am (UTC)
Bielsaesdios points out the median household income in Raleigh was $46,000 in 2000 (due to its success in establishing itself as a high-tech and bio-tech hub) while in Syracuse it was $25,000. So this is rather like comparing schools in a predominately middle class area with schools servicing a poor area in the UK. Of course the schools in Raleigh will do better because their intake will be generally better behaved and already have social skills. Add to this that they don't have to take children more than one grade down then you are virtually guaranteeing a class of well behaved children who want to learn. What isn't mentioned is what happens to those who are disruptive or more than one grade down and how well these do. You only need one disruptive child to stop the other 30 or so children from learning anything at all.
Comprehending comprehension
[info]disorganised1 wrote:
Friday, 16 October 2009 at 08:05 am (UTC)
I am a governor at a comprehensive in an industrial city in England. Our cachement area is very mixed, from one of the most affluent areas of the city to one of the bottom 10% estates in the country econimically.
Our intake is generally starting from below standard.
However our school size is around 650 pupils, and so every pupil is known to the teaching staff, which enables appropriate reaction to situations. We also work closely with local businesses and social services to protect and develop our most challenged pupils.
For comprehensive schools to work they need the intimacy of a smaller environment, not the sweeping acres of bare concrete associated with the 60's built 2,000 pupils plus learning factories.
Comprehensive Teaching
[info]peds31 wrote:
Friday, 16 October 2009 at 08:10 am (UTC)
Grandparents, Parents and Siblings.
[info]kingsgate wrote:
Friday, 16 October 2009 at 08:39 am (UTC)
But what happens if the parents who have bothered with their kids, who have read to them, spent time with them, etc, just don't want the local council to "use their children and their values"?

They want their kids to go to a school full of other nice well-behaved kids who want to learn. They pay most of the taxes, why shouldn't they have this?

What makes the state think it has the right to "use" my kids to improve the behaviour of those whose parents don't care about them?
[info]maxmillerfan wrote:
Friday, 16 October 2009 at 12:02 pm (UTC)
Your child will grow up to live in a +society+ with other people. Do yuo want those other people to be uneducated and hopeless, or not?
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Eton kids smarter
[info]tone1201 wrote:
Friday, 16 October 2009 at 09:33 am (UTC)
It's not absurd at all that the 300 kids at Eton are born 'smarter' than the 300,000 kids in state schools. In fact it's a near certainty. Average IQ is distinctly correlated with social class and family income. The parents of Etonians will have passed on their higher than average IQs to their children. The idea that everyone is born as a 'blank slate' with equal intelligence and potential is a Marxist myth not supported by biology. Marxists need to believe this myth to support their prejudice that the unsuccessful in life are unfairly downtrodden.
Eton kids are smarter.
[info]tone1201 wrote:
Friday, 16 October 2009 at 09:35 am (UTC)
It's not absurd at all that the 300 kids at Eton are born 'smarter' than the 300,000 kids in state schools. In fact it's a near certainty. IQ is distinctly correlated with social class and with family income. The parents of Etonians. who are mostly well up the scales of social class and income, will have passed on their higher than average IQs to their children. The idea that everyone is born as a 'blank slate' with equal intelligence and potential is a Marxist myth not supported by biology. Marxists need to believe this myth to support their prejudice that the unsuccessful in life are unfairly downtrodden. Of course, kids at Eton also receive a much better education so at least you're half right, Johann, but the Marxist myth of innate equality has done so much damage to the state system that that's really no surprise either.
Re: Eton kids are smarter.
[info]jaffgyp wrote:
Friday, 16 October 2009 at 10:24 am (UTC)
genuine comprehensive education has nothing to do with 'innate equality' and everything to do with innate worth
please god, educate these folk who dont know what genuinely comprehensive education means - as i've said somewhere above, and thought i had reinforced, it means all-ability intake and all-ability classes for general education and out of school activities, NOT, NOT, NOT, NOT, NOT all-ability classes for academic subjects
GOOD EDUCATION - [info]lustyglaze - Friday, 16 October 2009 at 11:06 am (UTC) Expand
Re: Eton kids are smarter. - [info]maxmillerfan - Friday, 16 October 2009 at 12:03 pm (UTC) Expand
look nearer home johan
[info]jaffgyp wrote:
Friday, 16 October 2009 at 09:46 am (UTC)
so, its news when genuine comprehensive schooling works in the states - so why has equally valid evidence in the UK been ignored?; take a look at the comps in the outer reaches and you might be surprised - start with the northern isles if you can't find anything nearer home; and of course wise up and realise, all you aspirational middle classes, that a society where the better-off routinely buy their way out of and openly despise the users of 'state' education and health and housing isn't much fun to live in - all those gated suburbs and great big army tank-like 4 wheel drives will not protect you, or your children, from the toxic divided society you have created ; yet of course, you love to 'escape' for hols and weekends and retirement in the few areas left where comprehensive education leads to a genuinely egalitarian community (oh , how you refugees from the communities you have damaged love our quaint little all-inclusive peasant ways - until of course you decide to change it by opting out yet again, especially when you need to buy unearned privileges for your not-so-clever-after-all offspring !)
Public school class warrior
[info]hackneyhal wrote:
Friday, 16 October 2009 at 10:13 am (UTC)
"Having attended Woodhouse College he [Johann Hari] graduated with a double first in Social and Political Sciences at King's College, Cambridge in 2001"

Oh, and he has no children either.
Re: Public school class warrior
[info]maxmillerfan wrote:
Friday, 16 October 2009 at 12:06 pm (UTC)
Woodhouse College is a state college. And so what? If a person is privileged, shouldn't they want to share the privilege?

And childless people should have no views on education? Is that really what you're saying?
Re: Public school class warrior - [info]red_planet92 - Friday, 16 October 2009 at 04:23 pm (UTC) Expand
Really so absurd?
[info]profeng wrote:
Friday, 16 October 2009 at 10:15 am (UTC)
Interesting article -thanks.
Perhaps I'm guilty of going off at a tangent, but is it really so absurd to suggest that rich people's kids might, on balance, be smarter than poor peoples'?
I know not every rich person is clever, and that many clever folks don't become rich, but it's quite a reasonable suggestion that smarter people are more likely to become wealthy. It's also reasonable to suggest that smart people's kids are more likely to inherit their parents' abilities. Add to that the environmental advantages they receive during their early years, and the proposition that rich kids might on balance be cleverer than poor ones doesn't sound so absurd, right?

BUT - still impressed by the points made in the article.
Re: Really so absurd?
[info]jaffgyp wrote:
Friday, 16 October 2009 at 10:26 am (UTC)
hah!- but are they nicer, kinder, of more value to the community?
Re: Really so absurd? - [info]tone1201 - Friday, 16 October 2009 at 10:51 am (UTC) Expand
Re: Really so absurd? - [info]tgroves - Friday, 16 October 2009 at 10:42 am (UTC) Expand
Re: Really so absurd? - [info]tone1201 - Friday, 16 October 2009 at 11:00 am (UTC) Expand
The whole point...
[info]ancientoneuk wrote:
Friday, 16 October 2009 at 11:05 am (UTC)
... is that this country has adopted American styles of education and that is why our children are leaving in such a mess because it may work for the Americans but it doesn't work for us.

I left school in the early eighties, during a time of recession and mass unemployment yet I could read, I could write and so could all my classmates, so it was working then, but this enamoured view of the British government for American things killed off that given of leaving school with the essential three "R"'s, it was considered too old and out of date and then our children started leaving school illiterate.

Of course the American system has one advantage, it is cheap, mass tutoring with no individual support for those that require it, whereas the British way called for smaller classrooms, individual tutoring when needed, the Tories started off killing the schools and pushing the kids into educational sink-holes, New Labour carried the work on mercilessly, here in Dorset every village had its own primary school paid for out of the local council and parish, so many have been closed down and the kids squeezed into other schools making it no surprise that they do less well than they should be.

Lastly, the enormous cost of moving these children around in rural areas surely cannot be less than having local schools, some 20 coaches alone attend the senior school and there are buses and taxis abounding for the primary schools which must cost a fortune.
Re: The whole point...
[info]virginia_1976 wrote:
Friday, 16 October 2009 at 01:23 pm (UTC)
You're an expert on American schools, then, are you? First-hand experience of them, I take it.

No?

Thought not. Typical Brit arrogance.
The old Journalistic chant of poor standards
[info]gymnarchus wrote:
Friday, 16 October 2009 at 11:40 am (UTC)
This is an old song sung by newspapers especially those of the right wing that children can't spell.
when you study the english language and grammer it's a wonder that anyone can.
Journalists make this complaint because they focus on the written word because it's what they do for a living but there's more to school than grammer.
Employers always make the complaint that Schools are not doing enough because they don't want to invest in training they want the goverment to churn out robots so they don't have to spend money.
You don't have to go to the USA for good examples of schooling. Scotland has had a mixed system for years and it works very well. There are Comprehensive schools in England which work to an exceptionally high standard but they are not as sexy as schools in the US.
The real issue is class, the private and grammer schools are there to maintain the class divide.
Private schools should have their charitable status revoked because they are anything but.
Grammer schools should be turned into comprehensives. They cream off the top 20% and in fact when you look at the value added for these schools and the assessment of the teaching they do worse than comprehensives. The rest of the schools become sink schools in the local area.
The myth of parental choice should be squashed and children should go to the school in catchment so motivated parents and children benefit the local schools.
The establishment universities should have entry based on examination results and not interview and should not be given information on the applicants previous school and backgound.
The successfull comprehensives should be studied and the lessons learnt from them should be applied to those schools that are not doing as well.
The truth is that comprehensive schools are teaching to a much higher standard than 30yrs ago and children are routinely achieving results which were unobtainable many years ago.
My old school had a pass rate of 8% AtoC in 1979 now it has a pass rate of 97% in 2008 and it still has the same intake.
Mr Hari should look a bit closer to home and he would find things are not as bad as he paints it and the real problem is the continuation of the class divide in our education system and journalists not highlighting the successes in our own education system.
Re: The old Journalistic chant of poor standards
[info]maxmillerfan wrote:
Friday, 16 October 2009 at 12:08 pm (UTC)
You say "the real problem is the continuation of the class divide in our education system". That's THE WHOLE POINT of the article. I find it amazing people don't read the article before commenting on it.
The brightest are held back to bring the rest up....
[info]rhysjaggar wrote:
Friday, 16 October 2009 at 11:40 am (UTC)
It's a philosophy Mr Hari.

But for a child nearer the top end of the curve than the bottom, it's making them be adults before they are ready to be.

Adulthood is about sacrificing for others. It is best accomplished after a period of inner victories and personal achievement which, in our competitive world, usually doesn't come from 8 years of holding back at school.

Your system says that the least favoured children will have a true childhood. Which is great.

The question is whether the successful of the previous generation are told that their children must hold back to allow that to happen.

And if not, will the 'more successful' disadvantaged children merely be more educated but no more employable?

I'm not pulling you down, I'm saying that your picture has a lot of less certain outcomes, for which I have a lot of personal experience, hurt and desolation.

Sir.
You may like to note . . .
[info]aq42 wrote:
Friday, 16 October 2009 at 11:52 am (UTC)
. . . that this is International Walk To School Month. The reason for sending children to their local school is so that they can do things like walk to school, and be part of their local community.
Similar schools in the UK
[info]ihr2 wrote:
Friday, 16 October 2009 at 12:54 pm (UTC)
Fascinating! Why use a US example when the UK has plenty of rural comprehensives and small city comprehensives where the intake is similarly mixed?
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