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Johann Hari: Gay rights is the one conspicuous success of a flawed man

Tony Blair's decade in power is seared with disappointments – but there is one cool, consistent success story that ran through his time in power: the rapid advance of gay rights. If we had known in 1997 we would achieve full legal equality – even including de facto marriage – so fast and with so little fuss, we would have been startled.

When I interviewed Blair about gay rights last month to mark the 15th anniversary of Attitude magazine, I glimpsed his very best side – and the strange, gaping blind spots that did so much harm to his record, and the world.

Leaning forward, Blair offers a passionate defence of the equality of gay people. He talks about how, from his school days, he had friends who were terrified to come out and how the homophobia of the Conservatives represented "everything I wanted to change" about Britain.

He talks about how political correctness is used by "reactionary forces" as "a cover by people arguing against basic equality. Equality isn't political correctness, it's just justice." He says with a smile that delivering on it was one of his "proudest achievements".

And he transfers this success into an almost Messianic optimism about the future. As probably the most high-profile pro-gay religious person in the world, he says he is "optimistic" that all religions – including Islam – can go through "a process of Reformation" that will end with them accepting openly gay people. It is part of the "mission" of his Faith Foundation to move religion away from anti-gay literalism.

He doesn't hide his disagreement with the anti-gay bile of the leader of his own faith, the Pope. He says "there is a huge generational difference here" and that "if you went and asked the [ordinary Catholic] congregation, I think you'd find that their faith is not to be found in those types of entrenched attitudes." The fight for gay equality was a rare occasion when Blair took on the Right. I ask him if he wishes he had done it more, and he looks thoughtful. "It depends on the issue. But yes."

And yet, and yet... I soon crash into the blind spot that sent his premiership spinning to an early death. I ask him if he ever discussed his pro-gay views with George Bush. "No, I can't say I did. I mean, here's an interesting thing. I honestly haven't the faintest idea of how he voted on any of these things, but I'd be quite surprised if he personally were prejudiced." It's a bizarre answer. Of course he knows what George Bush did to oppose gay equality – he reads the newspapers. Why not just say that he disagrees? Why lie (and add the word "honestly" as you do it)? Why actually defend a man whose views on gay people are so obnoxious, and so opposite to his own?

Wrapped into this little interview was the paradox – and the tragedy – of Tony Blair. When he chose to fight on liberal issues, he was passionate, and brilliant. But he did it only a few times – and he willingly suspended these, his most impressive and admirable instincts, to embark on a bloody barn dance with the worst president in living memory. Why?

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He should be congratulated at least for his achievement on gay rights!
[info]samb_uk wrote:
Wednesday, 8 April 2009 at 02:28 am (UTC)
He's made mistakes - e.g. the Iraq war, but he has committed many positive acts as well - e.g. the human rights act, the Freedom of Information Act, gay rights, stem cell research and etc.

Hopefully Labour gets its act in order and we don't have a majority Tory government in 14 months time.
Re: He should be congratulated at least for his achievement on gay rights!
[info]bowesy wrote:
Wednesday, 8 April 2009 at 08:40 am (UTC)
Because Blair was only ever concerned about Blair. Do you really think anything would have been done re gay rights if he did not have mandy? I think not. Blair is completely amoral.

If Blair were a stick of rock the outside would be chameleon and the inside me me me me me me me me me me me me me me.

Lets not forget his hateful record of war, death and lies. Blair w
Re: He should be congratulated at least for his achievement on gay rights!
[info]kd001 wrote:
Monday, 13 April 2009 at 09:40 pm (UTC)
Couldn't agree more -Bliar is a complete phoney. Why has he joined one of the most homphobic and repressive religions in the world? Whilst he was PM he very conveniently played down his so-called 'faith' and now it is convenient and highly profitable for him to promote it. The man utterly sickens me.
[info]drug_baron wrote:
Wednesday, 8 April 2009 at 03:14 am (UTC)
Whatever Next for Balir ?

Failed PM, failed Middle East Negotiator; now trying for EU President.

Perhpas the Vatican next !

A real chancer who has brought catstrophy wherever he has set foot.
Fishy
[info]over325one wrote:
Wednesday, 8 April 2009 at 06:30 am (UTC)
Blair only lies when it suits - say from 6am till Midnight.
Is he for real? No not me.
[info]proximaking wrote:
Wednesday, 8 April 2009 at 06:32 am (UTC)
The world is falling apart, his job is supposed to be telling it like it is to an odious little regime of subsidy junkies sitting eating Palestinian kids for breakfast on a star of David tablecloth and he decides to stick up instead not for that oppressed people but for people who want to poke a shit the wrong way up a hole, nothing wrong with that, but then have us all fawn over how brilliant they are, ........ though they are exactly the same as us really you understand! If they are the same as us why are people always sticking up for them? No-one sticks up for my rights as I'm not part of a 2% minority like gays or Africans in this country I'm not prejudiced either but we have to ask the question surely is Blair all there? Either the Pope is infallible or he isn't and if Blair thinks he isn't, as is clearly the case, what the hell is he doing in the church? Time for the Pope to boot out one more person calling not for gay "rights" but for gays to be afforded special treatment. If my brother and I wanted to adopt a kid for example what answer do you think we would be given? And yet I have known him for two years less than I've been on this planet. How many gay couples can say that? The whole thing is a nonsense and Blair clearly sees some money in it for him in the pink belt in the States or he wouldn't be saying a thing but the Pope should knock him for six out of the church for stupidity if nothing else.
Re: Is he for real? No not me.
[info]danjstar wrote:
Wednesday, 8 April 2009 at 03:11 pm (UTC)
"Either the Pope is infallible or he isn't"

Actually, no. He's institutionally infallible in some contexts but not others.
Messianic optimism- or an eye for the main chance?
[info]jaffgyp wrote:
Wednesday, 8 April 2009 at 07:37 am (UTC)
'Messianic optimism', especially coming from master t blair, is perhaps something that homosexuals might best do without?; this alarming man far too often appears to be simply deeply in love with himself, to have a permanent eye on the main chance and to be a danger to everyone else
[info]jadsen wrote:
Wednesday, 8 April 2009 at 07:41 am (UTC)
i think he was saying there is enough evidence to suggest bush has had homosexual experiences.
[info]sara_sense wrote:
Wednesday, 8 April 2009 at 09:46 am (UTC)
lol, you know it ;-)
Blair: still clueless after all these years
[info]maxsplivitz wrote:
Wednesday, 8 April 2009 at 07:50 am (UTC)
That's typical of Blair. He converts to a religion and immediately rejects one of its fundamental truths (that man is made exclusively for woman, and woman for man).
Creepy
[info]isaacbrown wrote:
Wednesday, 8 April 2009 at 11:02 am (UTC)
Of all the sinister and unwelcome changes foisted upon our benighted nation since WW2 - mass third world immigration, ethnic cleansing of Britons in their own land, feminism, media brainwahing etc - the "normalisation" of homosexuality is the one which gives me the most angst. How a civilised, Christian, well balanced society with strong family values could even consider "celebrating" such a disgusting perversion of such a fundamental instinct as heterosexism, is frightening. Hijacking the word "gay" (not to mention the denigration of the equally beautiful English word "queer") by the homosexual lobby is the least of the problem. Where will this end, bearing in mind that homosexuality and sodomy were criminal offences before 1967 - will other crimes be allowed?
Re: Creepy
[info]danjstar wrote:
Wednesday, 8 April 2009 at 01:04 pm (UTC)
On the positive side, we've had the marginalisation of Christianity in the UK in that time too. There's only a small shove required now to move to a mature and secular state where Christianity is something consenting, but obviously deluded, adults do in private.
Re: Creepy
[info]maxsplivitz wrote:
Wednesday, 8 April 2009 at 07:10 pm (UTC)
Christians are deluded? Hmmm... But surely naturalists are too (naturalism being the religion of deluded secular societies)? If naturalism is true, then, logically, homosexuals serve no purpose as they contribute nothing to the furtherance of the species.
Re: Creepy
[info]danjstar wrote:
Wednesday, 8 April 2009 at 10:09 pm (UTC)
It appears you don't know what a secular society means. Turkey is a secular society ... made up of about 98% muslims.
Re: Creepy
[info]maxsplivitz wrote:
Thursday, 9 April 2009 at 08:30 am (UTC)
As Douglas Groothuis recently pointed out, Turkey never really became secular and is now in the hands of dedicated Muslims. It is a Muslim state. You shouldn't believe everything that you read in our liberal press.
Re: Creepy
[info]danjstar wrote:
Thursday, 9 April 2009 at 09:47 am (UTC)
Oh lordy. It's secular because of its history and constitution, not because you presume stuff about the press and what I read. Even the barest knowledge of current affairs in Turkey ought make this obvious even if you don't understand its modern history.

No matter, your argument about naturalism and homosexuality is logically flawed anyway. Its unstated premises are nonsense with respect to evolution and natural selection and your linking of secular societies and naturalism is not valid because you misunderstand what secularism means.

In short, you've fluffed just about everything you possibly could. Are you American and religious, by any chance?
Re: Creepy
[info]maxsplivitz wrote:
Thursday, 9 April 2009 at 10:17 am (UTC)
I apologize for the crack about your reading habits. I poisoned the well a tad in my last post and that was uncalled for. I don't quite see how my point about homosexuality and naturalism is flawed though. Care to explain?

To deal with your other point. I take "secular society" to mean a society divorced from religious influence and control (though this is, of course, ultimately impossible as a belief in naturalism also requires a mighty leap of faith - we all build our houses on our presuppositions). If there's a more technical definition, then, again, please explain.

As for my nationality, I'm English. But I won't play "My Dad is bigger than your Dad" lol, so this will be my final post here.


Re: Creepy
[info]theelectrician wrote:
Friday, 10 April 2009 at 04:57 pm (UTC)
" will other crimes be allowed?"

They are not crimes anymore. Duh! In the 16th century, old women who lived alone, kept cats and muttered to themselves were burned at the stake or drowned - we've moved on since then. Well, some of us have.
Blair's Flaws
[info]leedsrob wrote:
Wednesday, 8 April 2009 at 11:24 am (UTC)
Blair is amoral, his every action is calculated to enhance his status and people are still fooled by his faux concern for others. The man has killed, lied, connived and distorted and not lost a moment's sleep. His conversion to Catholocism was just another ruse to connect himself to the powerful and put himself beyond the judgement of mere mortals.
idiotic cant
[info]dimlocator44 wrote:
Wednesday, 8 April 2009 at 11:29 am (UTC)
The tragedy is that of the 1.3 million Iraqis who have perished as a result of his war, not this overpaid hypocrite so inflated with a sense of his own righteousness. OK, gay rights are more of a given today, but it just happened in his watch - even the Tories accept them gay rights today.

Still, well done for spotting how this man lies, & lies again & will continue to lie, which is why he should not be put in charge of anything, let alone EU foreign policy.

As a Catholic he's supposed to put up & shut up & obey the pope. He should go & say a "Hail Mary" for every Iraqi that has died as a result of his actions. With a day off once a week that should keep him out of circulation for at least 8 years.
Blair and Gay Rights
[info]dianelangford wrote:
Wednesday, 8 April 2009 at 12:10 pm (UTC)
Gay rights were won by gay people; not Tony Blair. Even if the modest steps towards gay equality were as a result of Blair's efforts, I for one, do not want to get my rights at the expense of hundreds of thousands of dead Iraqis, Palestinians, Afghanis.
Blair
[info]jdelandt wrote:
Wednesday, 8 April 2009 at 12:50 pm (UTC)
Congratulations to Johann for dismantling Blair's reputation. Blair is a lier and indeed an extremely dangerous one when it comes to important decisions. Not only does he lie, he falsified proofs. He cannot be trusted. To elect him as EU president would be against all common sense. He may have (with his government - not him in person himself) put some things right (that's why he was elected the first time), but not many and only under pressure of what other countries had done long before a UK government even started thinking about it. Politically an extremely dangerous man. Phylosophically dangerous too: was not him who has put the door wide open for single faith schools and the teaching of creationism. Isn't it Blair who said Creationism should be regard as valuable as Darwin's laws? To have him at the helm of Europe would bring us back to the pre-Galilei middle ages. I hope Belgium will veto him just like he vetoed, on his single own merit, against all the rest of the EU, against a Belgian chairmanship of the European Commision. Neither can he be called courageous: his (with Brown's support) refusal to join the Euro has now resulted in a de facto devaluation of the British Pound, for many years to come. I hope you all like spending your holidays in the UK or Northern Ireland, the rest of the world has become unaffordable for most of us with a reasonable but still modest income.
Human Rights Act
[info]robert_price wrote:
Wednesday, 8 April 2009 at 02:25 pm (UTC)
Britain has been a signatory to the European Convention on Human Rights Act since 1952, and the Convention itself was based upon historic freedoms of the English Legal System.

What the Human Rights Act did was to bring the Convention, supposedly, into the interpretation of English Statute and Common Law. What it in fact does, is stop expensive cases for breaches of the Convention being taken against this country which ever increasingly ignores thh Human Rights of it's citizens, and the historic freedoms they were based upon. Every time someone which to go to the Euopean Court of Human Rights the first question is, "has this been considered in the national court," to which the answer is yes, though the legal system just gives it lip service.

Tony Blairs real legacy is dishonesty, in every public office, from top to bottom. It's jumped up servants of the public saying I'm not going to answer that, when asked difficult questions, or saying they wont comment on individual cases when the person involved has clearly waved the right to anonimity, and has even said they want answers. Surely the death in mysterious circumstances of another law abiding citizen in London would speak for how this dishonesty affects our freedom?

Finally we have the distruction of investigative journalism, and an all too chummy approach of the media with the people who would treat the common poor as animals for harvest.

As for this being big news, surely the Anti-Christ is supposed to oppose the Pope?
Gay People DO have reason to thank Blair
[info]loveablelefty wrote:
Wednesday, 8 April 2009 at 02:53 pm (UTC)
I'm no great fan of Blair - and never voted for his party, but I think Jonathan, as so often, is spot-on about his record on Gay rights.

For all his faults, Blair did more than any British PM in history to improve the position of gay people, and it irritates me that so few people are willing to give him credit for this. In his 10 years Britain's position was transformed from being one of the worst in western Europe to one of the best. There seems to be this facile attitude that because he was wrong on some big things (Iraq, laissez fair economics) he has to be wrong about everything.

To be frank, it's no wonder that gay rights have been so slow in coming. Back in the 80s plenty of gay people were willing to vote Tory, depsite their abusing us when they took time off from laying the foundations for an unsustainable economy. If we then in turn abuse someone who was prepared (and yes partly for ulterior motives) to stand up for us, then we send out the message that we're not a constituency worth bothering about.

Yes, if we'd had the Lib Dems in we could have had gay rights and no Iraq, but credit where credit's due.
Post hoc ergo propter hoc?
[info]mortysmith wrote:
Wednesday, 8 April 2009 at 05:43 pm (UTC)
Like Johann and for the matter Tony Blair I rejoice that attitudes towards gay people, not least amongst lawmakers, have liberalised in recent years. But their attempt to pretend that this is a party political issue, essentially that it happened because an enlightened party took over from a bigoted one, doesn't stack up.

Of course Section 28 was vile and discriminatory, and did the Conservative Party no credit. But during the same period the Labour Party was fighting tooth and nail to prevent Peter Tatchell being selected as their candidate for Bermondsey (they disliked the colour of his hair, perhaps) and the Liberal candidate for the same seat, Simon Hughes, was describing himself (somewhat ironically, as we now know) as "the straight choice". I don't think any party can look back on that period with too much pride.
Re: Post hoc ergo propter hoc?
[info]loveablelefty wrote:
Wednesday, 8 April 2009 at 07:22 pm (UTC)
Afraid that won't wash.

While obviously every party has its heros and villains, the fact remains that, on every single vote on gay equality issues over the past 25 years (from Clause 28, to the age of consent to Civil Partnerships and adoption):

- Most of the support for gay rights has come from the Lib Dems, and then Labour in that order
- Most of the opposition has come from Tory MPs and Lords

If you look at the general trends, it's pretty clear where most of the blame lies.
Re: Post hoc ergo propter hoc?
[info]cylusys wrote:
Friday, 10 April 2009 at 11:18 am (UTC)
Indeed. The main opposition to granting any group of people equal rights tends to come from old men with old ideas. And the Tory's have ever been the party of tradition. Witness this wonderful statement from over the pond:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y2s2R5qKhbo

I would say that the younger generations over here largely share his daughter's opinion
[info]nightside242 wrote:
Saturday, 11 April 2009 at 08:35 pm (UTC)
What about the Good Friday agreement? I'm certainly no Blair fan but that is one more achievement he can be very, very proud of.
Gay rights
[info]lesvisible wrote:
Monday, 13 April 2009 at 12:44 pm (UTC)
Had I read this first before I read your piece on the Somali pirates I probably wouldn't have read it. Gay rights are about as important as a cure for hangnail or more money for Israel; speaking of frivolous wastes of energy. Blair's comment about political correctness does not address what the UK is using political correctness for which is to suppress dissent of things unconnected to the issue in question. It's like asking if all those cameras actually stop crime or whether 9/11 was an Inside Job. The answer is "No." and "Yes". Once you realize the governments are at war against the people they are elected to serve you can forget about any rationale given for anything they do or say. I'm with the pirates historically and presently and wouldn't even think about obeying a law unless it made sense. For instance, I obey all highway rules and I don't lie murder or steal; much less covet my neighbors ass (pun intended). But I will take any chemical I want any time I want, secure in the knowledge that whatever the doctor's prescribe is more likely to harm me that what I prescribe. The proof is in the pudding. I'm over sixty and can go up the side of a mountain as fast as a man half my age. This comes from the possession of a certain amount of common sense and a reluctance to believe proven liars. Gays have had all the rights they need to live as well as anyone for many years now. It's the 'more than equal' thing that troubles me and which also illustrates what political correctness is all about. Take a look at which race/religion is almost exclusively in control of every gay movement, organization and magazine. Take a look and you tell me. You may not like hearing the truth but that doesn't change it's composition.
Re: Gay rights
[info]giorgionyc wrote:
Monday, 13 April 2009 at 08:09 pm (UTC)
"It's the 'more than equal' thing that troubles me and which also illustrates what political correctness is all about. Take a look at which race/religion is almost exclusively in control of every gay movement, organization and magazine. Take a look and you tell me. You may not like hearing the truth but that doesn't change it's composition..."

More than equal? Are you really that clueless? Please explain to me which "more than equal" rights we're demanding. The right not to be fired from or denied jobs? The right to not be beaten up or killed? The right not to be opportunistically exploited by religious fanatics of every stripe, christian, jewish, and muslim? The right to have our partnerships -- many of which have lasted longer and are more viable than many hetero marriages -- receive some legal recognition? I'm gay and I've lived long enough to experience some pretty ugly stuff, of which you in your smug ignorance have no understanding. Decades of struggle in western European and north American societies have won us a measure of justice and social acceptance. And now that's spread to other places, some of which have had even stronger anti-gay strictures, such as Latin America, where gay rights are advancing at a remarkable rate. Look into it, you old fool. Next up -- places where we've not only gained no legal rights but face daily threats to our very existence, as in Iraq.

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