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Johann Hari: Is the US about to treat the rest of the world better? Maybe...

American foreign policy is subject to structural pressure that has not dissolved

The tears are finally drying – the tears of the Bush years, and the tears of awe at the sight of a black President of the United States. So what now? The cliché of the day is that Barack Obama will inevitably disappoint the hopes of a watching world, but the truth is more subtle than that. If we want to see how Obama will affect us all – for good or bad – we need to trace the deep structural factors that underlie United States foreign policy. A useful case study of these pressures is about to flicker on to our news pages for a moment – from the top of the world.

Bolivia is the poorest country in Latin America, and its lofty slums 13,000 feet above sea level seem a world away from the high theatre of the inauguration. But if we look at this country closely, we can explain one of the great paradoxes of the United States – that it has incubated a triumphant civil rights movement at home, yet thwarted civil rights movements abroad. Bolivia shows us in stark detail the contradictions facing a black President of the American empire.

The President of Bolivia, Evo Morales, has a story strikingly similar to Obama's. In 2006, he became the first indigenous president of his country – and a symbol of the potential of democracy. When the Spanish arrived in Bolivia in the 16th century, they enslaved the indigenous people and worked millions to death. As recently as the 1950s, an indigenous person wasn't even allowed to walk through the centre of La Paz, where the presidential palace and city cathedral stand. They were (and are) routinely compared to monkeys and apes.

Morales was born to a poor potato-farmer in the mountains, and grew up scavenging for discarded orange peel or banana skins to eat. Of his seven siblings, four died in infancy. Throughout his adult life, it was taken for granted that the country would be ruled by the white minority; the "Indians" were too "child-like" to manage a country.

Given that the US is constitutionally a democracy and its presidents say they are committed to spreading democracy across the world, you would expect them to welcome the democratic rise of Morales. But wait. Bolivia has massive reserves of natural gas – a geo-strategic asset, and one that rakes in billions for American corporations. Here is where the complications set in.

Before Morales, the white elite was happy to allow American companies to simply take the gas and leave the Bolivian people with short change: just 18 per cent of the royalties. Indeed, they handed almost the entire country to US interests, while skimming a small percentage for themselves. In 1999, an American company, Bechtel, was handed the water supply – and water rates for the poor majority doubled.

Morales ran for election against this agenda. He said that Bolivia's resources should be used for the benefit of millions of bitterly poor Bolivians, not a tiny number of super-rich Americans. He kept his promise. Now Bolivia keeps 82 per cent of the vast gas royalties – and he has used the money to increase health spending by 300 per cent, and to build the country's first pension system. He is one of the most popular leaders in the democratic world. I have seen this pink tide rising through the barrios and favelas across South America. Millions of people are seeing doctors and schools for the first time in their lives.

I suspect that a majority of the American people – who are good and decent – would be pleased and support this process if they were told about it honestly. But how did the US government (and much of the media) react? George Bush fulminated that "democracy is being eroded in Bolivia", and a recent US ambassador to the country compared Morales to Osama bin Laden. Why? To them, you are a democrat if you give your resources to US corporations, and you are a dictator if you give them to your own people. The will of the Bolivian people is irrelevant.

For these reasons, the US has been moving to trash Morales. By an odd quirk of fate, almost all of Bolivia's gas supplies are in the east of the country – where the richest, whitest part of the population lives. So the US government has been funding and fuelling the hard-right separatist movements that want these regions to break away. Then the whites would happily hand the gas to US companies like in the good ol' days – and Morales would be left without resources. The interference became so severe that last September Morales had to expel the US ambassador for "conspiring against democracy". This weekend, Morales is holding a referendum on a new constitution for the country which will entrench the rights of indigenous people.

Enter Obama – and his paradoxes. He is obviously a person of good will and good sense, but he is operating in a system subject to many undemocratic pressures. Bolivia illustrates the tension. The rise of Morales reminds us of the America the world loves: its yes-we-can openness and civil rights movements. Yet the presence of gas reminds us of the America the world hates: the desire to establish "full spectrum dominance" over the world's resources, whatever the pesky natives think.

Which America will Obama embody? The answer is both – at first. Morales has welcomed him as "a brother", and Obama has made it clear he wants a dialogue, rather than the abuse of the Bush years. Yet who is Obama's Bolivia adviser? A lawyer called Greg Craig, who represents Gonzalo Sánchez de Lozada – the hard-right former president of Bolivia who imposed some of the most extreme privatisations of the 1980s, and is now wanted on charges of genocide. Craig's legal team says Morales is (yes) leading "an offensive against democracy".

The structural pressures within the US system that drove hostility to a democratic civil rights leader like Morales have not dissolved in the cold Washington air. The US is still dependent on foreign fossil fuels to keep its lights on, and US corporations still buy senators from both parties. Obama will still be swayed by those factors.

But while this is a reason to be frustrated, it isn't a reason to be cynical. Why? Because while he will be swayed by those factors, he will also subtly erode them over time. Obama has made energy independence – a massive transition away from foreign oil and gas, and towards the wind, sun and waves – the centre of his governing programme. If the US is no longer addicted to Bolivian gas, then its governments will be much less inclined to topple anybody else who wants to control it. (If they're off oil, they'll be much less invested in the Saudi tyranny and petro-wars in the Middle East too.)

Obama also says he wants to peel back the distorting effect of corporate money on the US political system. He is already less slathered in corporate cash than any president since the 1920s. The further he pushes it back, the more breathing space democratic movements like Morales's have to control their own resources.

But we will see. If you want to know if Obama is really altering the tectonic forces that drive American power, keep an eye on the rooftop of the world.

j.hari@independent.co.uk

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They don't even know the rest of the world exists
[info]neil_mcgowan wrote:
Friday, 23 January 2009 at 06:17 am (UTC)
Except when they murder its civilian populations.

Anyone who expects anything from America is going to be bitterly disappointed. Unless, that is, they are expecting to be nuked.
Subtle Truths?
[info]goosegreece wrote:
Friday, 23 January 2009 at 08:45 am (UTC)
So whats new? Money is God, Absolute power corrupts absolutely. Anyone expecting Obama to be the
equivalent to Jesus is going to be disappointed. He is as much a prisoner to the string pullers as any other American president. After a little polishing up the image of usa plc. normal service will be resumed. Nothing subtle going on here.
Re: Subtle Truths?
[info]tigerwithin wrote:
Friday, 23 January 2009 at 06:51 pm (UTC)
You said it! We have god on our money and god can't get far without money, ask the pope.
to neil_mcgowan
[info]justicero wrote:
Friday, 23 January 2009 at 08:48 am (UTC)
The only places America is killing civilian populations are Afghanistan and Iraq, where Britain is doins the same thing
Re: to neil_mcgowan
[info]neil_mcgowan wrote:
Friday, 23 January 2009 at 09:28 am (UTC)
President Clinton - a Democrat, and husband of the new Secretary of State - ordered a bombing campaign of Serbia which was specifically aimed at civilian targets. That was an air bombardment of a European country, killing indiscriminately. He blew up trains carrying civilians, apartment buildings, and many other similar targets.

YANKEES do not care _one_iota_ about the lives of anyone, anywhere, except their own people. America has armed and supplied Israel in the Gaza conflict, killing 1300 people (13 Israelis died) - and Obama has said he supports Israel.
Re: to neil_mcgowan
[info]justicero wrote:
Friday, 23 January 2009 at 10:06 am (UTC)
If you are British: Sorry to inform you, but your country killed far more than 1300. Actualy Britain (+ other countries) killed (sorry, is killing) 500,000 muslims in Afghanistan and Iraq. When did Iraq or Afghanistan fire rockets on Britain? I understand Israel going after the muslim terrirsts firing missiles on their civilians, but would like to hear from a hypocrite Briton the reasons for your wars.
Re: to neil_mcgowan
[info]neil_mcgowan wrote:
Friday, 23 January 2009 at 10:16 am (UTC)
You're entirely right. Britain is a nation of thugs and murderers. If you look at my other postings this week, I've called the Head of the British Army (Sir Richard NeoCon-Scumbag Dannatt) a liar, a mass-murderer and a war criminal.

The Iraq and Afghan wars were launched by a criminal sack of shit, Tony Blair - and have been continued by a neocon yankee-loving tub of lard, Gordon Brown. Both these men should face War Crimes Trials, and I would be pleased to see them both HANG.

I hope that answers your questions.
Re: to neil_mcgowan
[info]justicero wrote:
Friday, 23 January 2009 at 10:57 am (UTC)
I don't accept your excuses, sorry. Britain is a democracy. Tony Blair was elected, went to war and... Was re-elected. Then came Gordon Brown and your troops are still in Afghanistan and Iraq. That (democracy) means that the majority of the British public supports the government actions.
Re: to neil_mcgowan
[info]neil_mcgowan wrote:
Friday, 23 January 2009 at 11:22 am (UTC)
I didn't say they were excuses. What has happened is inexcusable.

The root problem is that most British people are poorly-educated morons. They aren't equipped mentally to make decisions about complicated things - they just believed what they were told by the Government. And by the journalists of The Independent, by the way - John Rentoul still believes the Iraq War was right, so if you want to complain, complain to him? And that living piece of scum, Bruce Anderson. And Johann Hari supported the war for the first year or two, as well - although he made a very late rethink on it later (when it was too late and all the people were dead).

It's no longer about countries, or political parties. If it was, then why was a so-called "socialist" Tony Blair licking the arse of an ultra-right-wing madman like George Bush? Why is Gordon Brown still licking yankee arse? Why does Britain have a Foreign Secretary who fulfils the policy agenda of Henry Kissinger? The reason is a filthy alliance of Neo-Conservative "New World Order" maniacs. See how often Tony Blair and Gordon Brown have demanded a "New World Order" in their public speeches?? Henry Kissinger wrote an article in this newspapers, YESTERDAY, once again demanding a "New World Order". It's a pro-Zionist, NeoConservative grouping that acts according to its own agenda and holds no allegiance to traditional political groupings or national borders.

Some countries stood up to these lies. France, Germany and Russia all refused to take part in this filthy war. When Tony Blair came here to Moscow to persuade Putin to join the war, he was THROWN OUT of Putin's office in less than three minutes. He waited in a corridor for another 40 minutes, to make it look as though he'd been in discussion, and not been thrown out... the tv cameras were waiting outside, of course.

You claim Britain is a "democracy". But both the two major parties supported the war. There's no policy difference between them at all. They are both enthusiastic New World Order thugs.

Frankly much of this is the reason I have left my country forever and now live in Moscow, Russia - from where I am writing. I would never, ever, move back to that stinking place.
Re: to neil_mcgowan
[info]justicero wrote:
Friday, 23 January 2009 at 01:53 pm (UTC)
Taleban: Evil - bad to their people and to America (bin Laden, 9/11). America even warned them and the war could have been prevented. Bush asked for bil Laden, but the Taleban refused on grounds that the gentleman was their guests. I (neither British nor Israeli, but Jew) agree with Britain going along - because America helped you in WWII and you are part of NATO, you have to help other nation members. Iraq: Saddam and his boys - bad to their people (thousands killed and tortured) and to the world. He made war with Iran, Kuweit and Israel. Israel and the PLO started talking and he was giving $ to the Hamas suicide bombers. No-Saddam and democracy would be good to Iraq, but muslims just don't know what democracy is, they don't want, they need a Saddam, an Assad, Arafat, etc. Bush was naïve. Again I agree with Britain helping to free the world from Saddam. There is just one thing I don't get: Britain, (ex?) Christian, democratic going to war against muslim bloody dictatorships but siding with muslim terrorists against Israel. Arabs have 22 countries, one in Palestine (Jordan) and a lot of (easy) money from oil. I don't pity them. Their religion is their probleml. Jews (13,000,000) are not oppressing muslims (1,3000,000,000), Muslims are oppressing the world with their never ending demands. They should catch up with the west, instead of trying to drag us back to (their) dark age
Re: to Justicero
[info]ancientoneuk wrote:
Friday, 6 February 2009 at 12:58 am (UTC)
Your ignorance and the amount of inability to see past the propagandic media astounds me...

Taleban: Evil... umm The Taleban was created alongside Al Qaeda by the CIA channelings funds and weapons through Pakistans ISI, you say they are evil but they were created by America....

Again, Saddam was America's catspaw, he was armed by the US, kept in power by the US, his role as tool was to fight Iran for America, it was American VX gas used on the Iranians and Kurds but like the other tools America creates, they lose their usefulness, Saddam was tolerated right up to the point that he decided to sell his oil in Euros and within weeks he was gone...

You claim you are a Jew and you adulate over the US but President Bush's family were partially responsible alongside a lot of other rich Americans in putting Hitler into power in the first place, his great grandfather was the financial "go-between" from the American side to Hitler, can you not see a pattern here? America installs dictators, controlled tyrants for its own uses, you know nothing and just spout on how wonderful the US is when in reality it is one of the most evilly motivated countries this planet has seen.

Your obvious racism against Muslims tells me all, I have been extensively to the Middle East and from my own observances, I can say that Muslims are a peaceful people unless attacked and then will fight like dervishes, this we have seen in Iraq and Afghanistan, they are a secular people and quite willing for the rest of the world to go about its business as long as the world doesn't try and change them, this again we have seen in action. Yes their ways seem archaic but its THEIR country they are doing it in and we have no rights to inflict our ways onto theirs.

Yet my child has to have jewish ways inflicted on her, why does she care what happened 70 years ago? Britain fought WWII on the behalf of the Jews so why does my child need to be indoctrinated on very doubtful issues on something that happened the best part of a hundred years ago, its not Muslims that are doing the oppressing, it is Zionism and the cry-wolf of anti-semitism that is fuelling tension, what was Jewish gratituide for Britain fighting the Nazi's... oh yes, killing British soldiers in brutal acts of terrorism, justified under the mantra "victim here, we can do what we like..."
Another superb and informative piece by Johann
[info]rapidreader2 wrote:
Friday, 23 January 2009 at 09:35 am (UTC)
Well done! Subtle and revealing.
Re: Another superb and informative piece by Johann
[info]neil_mcgowan wrote:
Friday, 23 January 2009 at 11:01 am (UTC)
I'd certainly agree that this is a well-researched piece. It remains to be seen how the new Administration differs from its predecessor on this kind of covert fineigling in other countries.
back yard blues
[info]sillofthedoor wrote:
Friday, 23 January 2009 at 10:54 am (UTC)
I agree with this assessment, but from the very few comments I've heard from Obama up to now its clear that South America is not a priority even if he knows the reality there,and thats probably wise,.

If he can make progress in areas where he has broad public support and deal with righting some agreed wrongs: Guantanamoe, then the middle East (he is being cautious about making any statements there that could turn public opinion against him before he gets going). Then , probably in his second term, at best, he might have the clout necessary to clean up the 'back yard'.
Tillthen the best we could hope for, I believe, is some more more reasonable trade deals quietly agreed to as being in US interests and talks opening the way for when public opinion can be shifted.

More would be lovely though.
There is an immediate
[info]larkspur_14 wrote:
Friday, 23 January 2009 at 11:15 am (UTC)
and urgent test of America's new found humanity, if indeed it has found it. Gaza. So far Obama's response has been to give Israel his strong and undivided support, to ignore the elected representatives of those Israel has viciously and murderously attacked, and to collude in the continuing blockade of one and a half million Palestinians. This is not promising.
Re: There is an immediate
[info]neil_mcgowan wrote:
Friday, 23 January 2009 at 11:25 am (UTC)
Obama is a firmly-convinced Zionist (see my comments about the "New World Order" above). He has packed his cabinet office with other Zionists.

Anyone who believes the USA will ever fail to support the Zionist thugs is day-dreaming. It will never happen.
Re: There is an immediate
[info]justicero wrote:
Friday, 23 January 2009 at 01:56 pm (UTC)
Zionism: It was (past tense) the movement to re-create country of the Jews in Zion (Jersualem), Palestine (where there was never an Arab country, never any country called Palestine - it's just the name of the region). Arabs got theirs (Jordan) and Jews, Israel. Israel is here to stay, sorry. No Zionism any more, just Israel.
Re: There is an immediate
[info]justicero wrote:
Friday, 23 January 2009 at 03:12 pm (UTC)
The subject is Bolivia, not "Zionism" (Israel). Take your pill to cure this fixation with Israel and Jews
Re: There is an immediate
[info]sibeliusrex wrote:
Friday, 23 January 2009 at 05:36 pm (UTC)
'Arabs got theirs (Jordan) and Jews, Israel'

Why do militant Zionists always lump all Arabs into the the one category? The notion that Palestinian refugees should accept their expulsion and dispossession at the hands of the Israelis and simply move to another 'Arab' country is utterly absurd and immoral.

Incidentally, in the current climate it's inevitable that a thread about U.S. foreign policy, even if specifically referring to Bolivia, will end up with some discussion about U.S./U.K. complicity in Israel's latest war crimes.

While I'm here, it's still worth mentioning, as others have, the role of laptop bombardiers like Johann Hari in helping to create the frenzied atmosphere in which britain's decision to join the attack on Iraq became possible. He may have recanted since but I do hope people like him feel some element of responsibility for that disaster.
Re: There is an immediate
[info]justicero wrote:
Saturday, 24 January 2009 at 12:38 am (UTC)
Jews have one country - THEIRS Israel. Arabs came from Arabia and stole other peoples land. Now they have 22 contry and still complain. Why only Israel? Why not give the Arabs Al-Andaluz back? Ask the Spanish and Portuguese to move and give their countries to the Arabs. Bin Laden have asked - why not give Iberia to the Arabs.
When Saddam invaded Kuweit Arafat kissed him and the so called "Palestinians" (Arabs in Israel) supported him. Now can someone tell me why Arabs from Palestine (a region, never a country) deserve an independent country and Arabs from Kuweit don't? And how about the Kurds? Their county is under occupation by Arab Syria, Lebanon and Iraq, countries that want Israel to be replaced by a (another...) Arab country, but don't give the Kurds their independence. And how about other poeples under Arab rule, whos land are under occupation: Berbers and Copts in North Africa, etc. etc... Arabs: Back to Arabia!
America gets nations to put America first...
[info]ancientoneuk wrote:
Friday, 23 January 2009 at 11:32 am (UTC)
... at the cost of its own people and if that doesn't change then the global hatred and isolation of the US will continue to the point that only a few client states will have anything to do with America.

Of course what we know from precedent is what will happen to Obama if he does resist too hard, like JFK who waded in against the Military-Industrial complex, I suspect that if Obama proves too irksome to the power elite in the US and elsewhere, that he will be wellstoned.

America needs something desperately, a leader that is willing to turn away from trying to incompetently rule the world and turn their gaze and vision onto the land of the US itself, the American people need to see investment, this may call for protectionist policies, it may force corporations to pay a fair wage when moving jobs back to the US, from the roads and bridges, the very infrastructure of America has been robbed from and neglected and the nation is crumbling.

For this to happen though, will require something earth-shattering, the indictment of Bush, Cheney and others complicit in this act for matter of treason, for allowing a foreign power to gain so much control, root out the corruption with fire and treat it like a canker, nail Bush and Cheney to the wall for their acts against everything American and when the world sees justice being done, corruption being dealt with, when the American people see this also, it will restore a lot of faith in that land.
U.S and South American Socialism
[info]wayneji wrote:
Friday, 23 January 2009 at 11:47 am (UTC)
Following Hugo Chavez's example, countries in South America are having to choose their ideologies.
Chavez and Morales have set out to establish "socialist" system using Castro's Cuba as a template.
With the energy resources these countries have they have gone towards using the revenues to improve
the infrstructure of their countries and improve the social conditions of their people.
It is and has been the U.S policy to keep these countries resources (and revenues derived from them) under U.S corporate control.
U.S Corporate interests outweigh any Civil Rights issues. It has been true in the U.S itself and Obama's election (or anyone else's)
would not have happened if he had said that he was going to put civil rights ahead of the interests of Corporations or financiers.
In the past the U.S engineered the downfall of "Socialist" governments (e.g Chile and Allende) and Cuba still remains an outcast in U.S eyes.
There is an on going attempt to discredit Chavez and Morales and to create divisions in the region (U.S support of Colombia) but
the U.S does not have the same clout it had in the past as the Venezuelan Petro-dollars and Bolivian "Gas-dollars" make these countries
hard to manipulate. Bush labeled these leaders as "terrorist".
And it gets worse for the U.S
Brazil's (the powerhouse economy in the region) president Lula da Silva has indicated leanings towards Venezuelan/Bolivian models.
Lula announced his support for Evo Morales in his recent campaign for Bolivia's presidency,

http://www.opendemocracy.net/democracy-protest/lula_flame_3218.jsp
http://frontpagemag.com/Articles/Read.aspx?GUID=7C4206C4-3027-402E-AEF8-01FAEAD88898
Merkin dreams
[info]bogwart16 wrote:
Friday, 23 January 2009 at 11:58 am (UTC)
Yesterday one of the major papers over there was joining in this nonsense about Obama changing everything, and looking forward to a time when the US would regain the moral high ground. And they have such a short attention span that they can't see that what they have done over the past eight years, and what has made them the most disliked nation on Earth (according to thr annual Pew polls), is not something which can be undone. Even if Obama was a free agent, which he most certainly is not.

The only thing that could start that ball rolling would be for the members of the previous administration to be handed over to the International Court of Justice, and we know that is not going to happen. Anymore than we shall be seeing that sanctimonious hypocrite Blair, together with his aiders and abettors, sitting behind them.
off topic comments
[info]wayneji wrote:
Friday, 23 January 2009 at 12:03 pm (UTC)
Certain posters (you know who you are) do not seem interested in discussing or commenting on Articles but make the same comments in all threads.
Is there anything that can be done?
Re: off topic comments
[info]justicero wrote:
Friday, 23 January 2009 at 03:07 pm (UTC)
Sorry, but this is a left-wing British newspaper. Even if the subject is Bolivia (or bananas, or stamp collecting, etc.) it will end up in "Zionism" (Jews). It is a British obsession, a disease. Jews, Jews, Jews, Zionism, Israel, Israel, Jews, Zionism, Jews...
Re: off topic comments
[info]wayneji wrote:
Friday, 23 January 2009 at 04:13 pm (UTC)
justicero - You introduced the subject in your post (Friday, 23 January 2009 at 10:06 am)
If you don't like the British and this newspaper why don't you p**s off and make your quasi religious
and childlike comments on newspapers who are more to your liking.I skip over your comments - if you have read you have read them all - it is the volume of them.

This GIYUS ploy off throwing discussions off course by repeating the same phrases with no reference to the Article and ruining them is getting annoying.

Do not reply to this as I am not entering into any further discussion with you

Re: off topic comments
[info]neil_mcgowan wrote:
Friday, 23 January 2009 at 05:30 pm (UTC)
the title of the article is "Is the US about to treat THE REST OF THE WORLD better?". Bolivia is cited as an example. But the underlying question is how America's overall foreign policy to other nations may (possibly, or not) change?
Enabling vs Depending
[info]bobav wrote:
Friday, 23 January 2009 at 12:23 pm (UTC)
The rest of the world will be treated by the Americans the way the rest of the world allows itself to be treated.
Morales
[info]philipshahak wrote:
Friday, 23 January 2009 at 01:03 pm (UTC)
Morales isn't the tool of Zionists!
Re: Morales
[info]tigerwithin wrote:
Friday, 23 January 2009 at 07:17 pm (UTC)
"...an all out Socialist agenda" seems to have worked quite well when Obama made it his mission to bail out banks and other fat cats, why should it be more difficult to bail out people, especially if the US democracy is really for the people, of the people and by the people? Shouldn?t people come first? Why is he so wishy washy about banning torture? Why doesn't he tell Israel to open borders?
[info]lorenzocartisco wrote:
Friday, 23 January 2009 at 01:35 pm (UTC)
don't you have any work to do neil mcgowen? your heart is in the right place but your analysis isn't exactly nuanced. While it is certainly disappointing that Obama has appointed Zionists such as Rahm Emmanuel, it is important to understand the constrictions placed on him by the "democracy" he has inherited. What would you prefer: an all out Socialist agenda which led to the collapse of Obama's regime or asituation in which Obama takes a pragmatic stance and attempts a long-term paradigm shift in the political foundations of the US. Like you I am disgusted by the relentless support of the US for Israel, but maybe somebody like Emmanuel is the only person that the Israeli's will listen to? Only time will tell.
Bolivia, Blivia, Bolivia, Bolivia, Bolivia...
[info]justicero wrote:
Friday, 23 January 2009 at 03:11 pm (UTC)
The subject is Bolivia, not Israel ("Zionism)
Self Interest
[info]neonmeatdreams wrote:
Friday, 23 January 2009 at 01:56 pm (UTC)
Despite what some of the posters below may think, every Country in the World will put itself and its citizens first above all other countries not just the USA. If this means killing the innocent civilians of a neighbouring country they will do it, if this means stealing the natural resources of another country they will do it. This goes for america, england, Israel, France, Germany, EVERY COUNTRY! After seeing what Israel did in Gaza people need to realise that their so called 'leaders' would not hesitate to do exactly the same without a second thought if they percieved it was in their interests to do so. Governments don't care about killing civilians, they never have and never will. Thats why not one single government in the World stepped up to condemn israel as they know they are capable and willing to do exactly the same thing
Re: Self Interest
[info]justicero wrote:
Friday, 23 January 2009 at 03:13 pm (UTC)
The subject is Bolivia, not Israel, sorry
Is the US about to treat..........by Johann Hari
[info]dioxin wrote:
Friday, 23 January 2009 at 02:00 pm (UTC)
The article explains US / Bolivia relationship and the undercurrent of "Energy Resource Politics" that drives it in such a simple lucid way. Thank You!
James Sen - SYDNEY,AUSTRALIA
U.S.-Bolivian Relations Under Obama
[info]babaojay wrote:
Friday, 23 January 2009 at 03:39 pm (UTC)
Johann Hari's thesis that structural imperatives rather than personality needs to be examined if one hopes to develop a realistic perception of the constraints that Obama faces is a dramatic departure from what readers are accustomed to read ,especialy U.S. readers. The myth of U.S. exceptionalism and altruism in the realm of foreign policy has seldom been questioned by Americans. To suggest that the U.S. has been an empire from the early years of its inception to the present is considered heresy.The economic and social substructures that guide U.S. imperialism are as unknown to Americans as the landscape of Mars.The U.S. educational system,the media,its religious organizations,and other institutions have been accomplices in creating and sustaining the calumnies that pass for conventional wisdom.

Chris Kazanas
[info]django76 wrote:
Friday, 23 January 2009 at 06:07 pm (UTC)
WTF?

us interests in bolivia
[info]anglodutch wrote:
Friday, 23 January 2009 at 06:40 pm (UTC)
us economic interests on bolivia are trivial. The big player in Bolivian gas is brazil and indeed the brazilians are furious with Morales. The US plays a big role in Morales' image of the world and his justification for his rule, but the US is hardly present at all in Bolivia. Which brings me to the other problem: latins greeeted Obama with joy because, so it was said, he would end the "neglect" of LA
South America
[info]goosegreece wrote:
Friday, 23 January 2009 at 07:10 pm (UTC)
How on earth did this all lead to an arguement about Israel? The topic as I see it is the interferance in the rights of people to determine (democraticly) thier own fate. Ok this has happened in
Gaza but has been going on for much longer in S. America.
Read Ernesto Guevara who saw things there first hand. He was executed on CIA orders for trying to change things by revolution......back to Gaza?
Just another example of corporate propaganda...
[info]django76 wrote:
Friday, 23 January 2009 at 07:17 pm (UTC)
I used to think journalism was a crusading profession then I realised it was all corporate sponsored propaganda designed to brainwash the masses. This made me sad until I discovered there were news sources that exist out with the corporate run smoke and mirrors of mainstream media. Johann Hari's article is an attempt to give people hope in an individual who has control over nothing more than marginal issues - don't get me wrong same sex marriage is an important issue but in the grand scheme of things and in regards to the general behaviour of the ruling elites it's a marginal issue.

This article is littered with the unsubstantiated pro-bama corporate propaganda we have come to expect from these sort of outlets...

"The President of Bolivia, Evo Morales, has a story strikingly similar to Obama's."
"Obama also says he wants to peel back the distorting effect of corporate money on the US political system. He is already less slathered in corporate cash than any president since the 1920s."
"(Obama)...is obviously a person of good will and good sense"

Get the real story on Obama from a truly 'independent' news source...
http://www.zcommunications.org/znet/viewArticle/20317


Re: Just another example of corporate propaganda...
[info]expatlibrarian wrote:
Friday, 23 January 2009 at 10:38 pm (UTC)
That link you posted has pretty poor writing. If you want to take an antiglobalization stance, point to Naomi Klein or someone else who's articulate and interesting to read. Not to someone who's long winded and makes obvious points.
Re: Just another example of corporate propaganda...
[info]django76 wrote:
Monday, 26 January 2009 at 02:39 am (UTC)
The article makes important points about Obama that are being conveniently ignored in mainstream media sources and articles such as the one above. The eloquence of its presentation is irrelevant, getting to the facts is what is important here.

Chomsky on Obama...
http://www.zcommunications.org/znet/viewArticle/20364
Is the US about to treat the rest of the world better?
[info]drkailash wrote:
Saturday, 24 January 2009 at 09:57 am (UTC)
It is precisely the mindset that America needs to 'set things right' in the world that has led to so many international problems, including terrorism. This mindset of being the international guardian is also shared, with hardly anything to back it, by UK. It is so much like the hangover of the 'whiteman's burden' of the Raj era. I had first hand experience of this mentality when I happened to discuss the British presence in Afghanistan with a couple of Engilshmen.
I think the sooner America forgets its 'international responsibilities' the better it will be for the world.
O'Bomber has good intentions?
[info]scousekraut wrote:
Saturday, 24 January 2009 at 05:57 pm (UTC)
President O'Bomber has clearly been groomed for years waiting for the right moment to unleash him on a public desperate for change. A slick, professional marketing and mass manipulation campaign financed by Wall Street has fooled an astonishing number of people into thinking that this muppet is for real.

This is a man who once said that the Taliban is a danger to the USA. This is man who thinks that Bin Laden is still wondering around the caves of Pakistan with his kidney machine stirring it. This is a man who want to increase the size of the US military, who wants to push more troops into Afghanistan and who has already bombed Pakistan inside two days.

He is a marxist puppet. They have put him there to fool the masses into thinking there are going to be changes. He plays for the same team as the Bushes and Clintons. How much he is aware of who is pulling his strings is irrelevant.
Interesting analyse
[info]maxsohl wrote:
Saturday, 24 January 2009 at 07:30 pm (UTC)
I really enjoyed reading your article and the parallells you've made. From my own experiences and researches the inconvient truth is unfortunately even a bit more conspiratoric in comparison to your descriptions. I'd say it's not necessary to enlighten it though since some of the facts you've pinpointed are so dramatic that they make headlines themselves.

Anyway, thanks for summary of the situation and an interesting perspective. Keep your thumbs crossed for a brighter future. Ciao // Max.

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