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Johann Hari: Peace in Ireland depends on ending the educational divide

Integrated schools are a proven way to dissolve hatred between the religions

While we looked the other way – at a world that was melting, free-falling into depression, and warring over the remaining resources – the dreary steeples were there, waiting for us.

After the First World War, Winston Churchill wrote: "Every institution in the world was strained. Great Empires have been overturned. The whole map of Europe has been changed... But as the deluge subsides and the waters fall short, we see the dreary steeples of Fermanagh and Tyrone emerging once again. The integrity of their quarrel is one of the few institutions that has been unaltered in the cataclysm which has swept the world."

Now we are waiting, hunched, for Protestant paramilitaries to retaliate, or the Continuity IRA to launch another atrocity. Back to the future. After the flurry of resurrected hope on Good Friday, there is a low sense of: is this it? Are we stuck watching this nasty little movie forever? We aren't. Everybody has written about the amazing unity shown by the Northern Irish political class in urging people to hand in the murderers. Even Gerry Kelly – who bombed the Old Bailey in 1973 – issued a tender, plangent plea for Catholics with information to come forward.

The world can change; it can get better. But there is another dimension to this story that has been unmentioned this week – and offers the greatest hope of all. If we take the energy from the peace marches and plough it here, into this, we might just dismantle those dreary spires at last.

The Good Friday Process has – from the beginning – been focused on the small elite of politicians at the top. Ian Paisley and Martin McGuinness have been sitting together – inspirationally – but in the streets and estates beyond Stormont, Northern Ireland has been becoming even more divided.

Dr Peter Shirlow, of the University of Ulster, has conducted the most detailed survey of inter-communal relations in Northern Ireland – and found an almost completely segregated society. Only five per cent of the workforce in Catholic areas are Protestants, and vice versa. Some 68 per cent of 18- to 25-year-olds had never had a meaningful conversation with a single person from "the other side". The young are more likely to fear and hate the "Prods" or "Taigs" than any other group. We have been fixing the ceiling, while the foundations fracture.

You can see this when you visit Belfast or Derry. To a British person, they feel like any familiar CloneZone town – except they are layered with a strange hatred you cannot grasp. Taxis will either take you to green or orange areas – never both. The cities are sliced by vast 40ft-tall steel walls, keeping Catholics and Protestants apart. Even the KFC is covered with a mural memorialising a centuries-old battle. Talk to the kids, and they will gleefully tell you the other side stink, or are stupid, or lazy. We are currently spending £1.5bn a year keeping the two sides physically apart.

But here's the good news: there is a proven way out. There is a policy that has been shown to erode these hatreds. They are called integrated schools – and the parents of Northern Ireland are calling for them. Today, only five per cent of children in Northern Ireland go to a mixed school. The other 95 per cent are segregated in sectarian enclaves where they project feverish fantasies on to the other side. Violence is an inevitable bedsore where two uncomprehending tribes rub past each other in a small space.

But that 5 per cent hold the key. A six-year study by Queen's University, Belfast has looked at the long-term consequences of being schooled alongside The Enemy. They interviewed adults who attended these schools – and found that whatever their parents' attitudes, they were "significantly more likely" to oppose sectarianism. They had "far" more friends across the divide, and they identified as "Northern Irish", rather than British or Irish. Their politics were much more amenable to peace. Some 80 per cent of Protestants favour the union with Britain, but only 65 per cent of those at integrated schools do. Some 51 per cent of Catholics who went to a segregated school want unification with Ireland, but only 35 per cent of those from integrated schools do. The middle ground – for a devolved Northern Ireland with links to both countries – was both broader and happier.

It's difficult to caricature people you've known since you were a child: great sweeping hatreds are dissolved by the grey complexity of individual human beings. Think of the young lads who, as you read this, are being persuaded by the Continuity IRA and the Ulster Defence Force to sign up and take on The Others. If they had grown up with crushes on Catholic girls they sat next to in Geography, or playing football with Protestant boys at break-time, wouldn't they be more likely to question the demonisation they're being fed?

But there is better news still. In the most detailed study of Northern Irish opinion, an extraordinary 82 per cent said they support the idea of integrated schooling, and 55 per cent of parents say the only reason their kids don't go to an integrated school is because there isn't one in their area, or they can't obtain a place in the vastly over-subscribed existing schools. There is a pent-up demand in the province for the very mechanism that will – over time – provide peace from the bottom up.

So why isn't it happening? Small minorities of religious sectarians – Protestant and Catholic – have been allowed to dominate the school system. The respective churches have obstructed integrated schools, refusing to nominate people to sit on their boards, and jealously guarding their profitable privileges. Northern Ireland needs its own equivalent of Brown vs, the Board of Education, the 1954 Supreme Court judgement that desegregated the schools in the Deep South. The church hierarchies will be left yelling, like Governor George Wallace of Alabama, "Segregation today, segregation tomorrow, segregation forever" – and shamed before the world.

There are brave forces within Northern Ireland fighting for this to happen – and it's a neat historical coincidence that this call comes at the moment when Northern Ireland's school-age population is contracting – and many schools will have to merge anyway. There is currently a surplus of 50,000 excess school paces in the province, and it's set to balloon even further as the birth-rate falls. Schools should be folded together into integrated wholes. All new schools should be mixed by law.

The British and Irish governments can launch a Phase Two of the Good Friday Agreement now, setting ambitious targets for integrated schools to rapidly expand. Martin Luther King didn't dream of a little black boy and a little black girl playing in separate playgrounds, with a vast steel wall between them. No. Our leaders can offer a Northern Ireland where Catholics and Protestants will play together and pair off together. Who knows – a hefty push for school integration could yield, in a few decades, a Northern Irish Obama, carrying both sides in his veins.

The resumed blood-spilling of the past week – and the rock-solid resistance to it – should lead us to a new political cry. Prime Minister Brown, Taoiseach Cowen, First Minister Robinson – tear down this wall between Northern Ireland's children.

j.hari@independent.co.uk

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what about nearer home?
[info]jaffgyp wrote:
Friday, 13 March 2009 at 08:46 am (UTC)
so, what about all these new religious schools being so willingly set up in england and wales?; anyone who has been a parent or a pupil or a teacher in a religious school knows in their heart that they are divisive ; schoolchildren are always looking for a banner to be led and to fight under (hence all those daft 'houses' set up in sad imitation of the daft public schools); but to give schoolchildren such potentially explosive banners as religious ones provide is nothing short of lunacy; religious observance should be kept entirely out of general education, and any religious education within compulsory school attendance should be confined to the comparative and be as strictly monitored as sex and drug education are; and fulltime home education should be required to demonstrate equivalent absence of any religious brainwashing; what parents and religious heads offer outside school is a matter for their own consciences and their childrens' tolerance.......
I agree, but...
[info]antitheistuk wrote:
Friday, 13 March 2009 at 09:51 am (UTC)
This approach and the encouragement of secularism would seem to be the preferable. The problem is with the churches that thrive on division and have too much power and persuasion.

The focus should be that we are all human beings who want a peaceful life, can't we just all get along?

www.anti-theist.co.uk
NI Religious schools
[info]ppinter wrote:
Friday, 13 March 2009 at 10:44 am (UTC)
The authoritarians that hate religion ( and the good record of religious schools in turning out kids with moral and ethical standards on which a civilised society depends ) relish the thought of closing them.

Catholics and Ptrotestants wont allow it, why should they ? ( Actually I think Protesatnt schools are open to cathlics/secularists)

The way forward could be linked/merged dual schools ( dual heads ?) in two sections retaining the religious basis of each community undiluted but with secular activity, games, and play mixed.
Yes, only secular-based schools can promote genuine integration!
[info]nooraza wrote:
Friday, 13 March 2009 at 11:43 am (UTC)
It's true enough what Mr. Hari is saying. I visited northern Ireland and could not believe that the wall (dividing the Protestants and Catholics) is still standing! They should tear it down for a start. And to abolish any faith-based schools, whether Christian or Muslim-based. Only secular-based schools can promote such genuine integration amongst the youths whose beings are still as tender as "young bamboos", as an eastern saying goes. This will also promote cosmoplitanism amidst the youths, to accept and respect diversity, but within human rights context. Which means, such respect does not mean to support oppressive values justified under culture, such as cultural-based domestic violence towards women and girls. Thus, why human rights education are also important to be taught seriously in schools. The rise of Neo-Nazi in Germany here for example, is from my opinion, is due to the youths' sentiment still being inculcated in irrational ultra-nationalistic ideology, that rejects diversity, particularly and fundamentally, on learning other languages; which in turn can promote cosmopolitanism spirit in the youths. Where I find that youths who do learn other languages and travel, are usually more receptive towards diversity. That can ensure the defeat of such narrow-based sectarian values and attitudes in Northern Ireland or the dangeroustoxic 'attractiveness' of Neo-Nazi ideology.
Closing the Educational Divide
[info]humanisto wrote:
Friday, 13 March 2009 at 12:10 pm (UTC)
too right, Johann. Across the water, the Humanist Society of Scotland has long recognised echoes of the same division between green and blue factions and is working towards the long-term goal of a genuinely integrated secular education system. There are no catholic children, any more than there are capitalist children, socialist children or liberal children. Let's teach them how to think, not what to think and educate, not indoctrinate.
Right message, wrong means
[info]thomas_lowe wrote:
Friday, 13 March 2009 at 12:18 pm (UTC)
This article is premised on the belief that if you dont go to an integrated school then you go to a Catholic or Protestant school. That is absolute rubbish. I went to RBAI, a state grammar. The school's policy has always been not to ask about religion. Therefore I was educated with a mix of people from different backgrounds and areas, about 25% of whom were Catholic.

Yes there are schools which are almost exclusively Protestant or Catholic. Yes integrated schools can help as they improve interaction across the divide. But do not for one minute think that if you dont go to an integrated school you grow up in a bigoted environment to become a bigot.
Education Divide.
[info]digimon6 wrote:
Friday, 13 March 2009 at 12:23 pm (UTC)
Catholic schools should be banned and shut down, there is no place for them, and there is no such thing per say as a Protestant school, Protestants are not allowed Protestant only schools, they are non-denominational, like ALL schools should be. There is only 1 religion from where im sitting causing the problems and they must be closed for good. Religion is ancient, in the 21st century when we can all read, think, imagine, and do, "Peace" should be the faith for every man, woman and child on this earth.
I agree that
[info]andrea_2 wrote:
Friday, 13 March 2009 at 12:35 pm (UTC)
religious schools are divisive and would like to see all schools secular.
Religion
[info]bundubasher wrote:
Friday, 13 March 2009 at 12:39 pm (UTC)
Honestly religion (s) is a curse. Protestant / Catholic are surely all "Christians" in the final analysis.

All this "god" in schools festers such nonsensical divisions it causes more harm than good. Keep it out of schools and politics.

Practice, if you believe, but in your time ,not in schools or in governments.Half the problems in world can be laid at door of Religions-all of them.

Schools should be non religious, or teaching ALL religions for balance.They should be multi cultural, multi racial, and multi national so kids learn people are all human beings with same basics wants and needs.

People are obsessed with belonging to some little niche.And end up being intolerant fools.
Thinking bigger
[info]samnewell_84 wrote:
Friday, 13 March 2009 at 12:46 pm (UTC)
I went to a United World College, within the UK, that promoted integration on a much larger scale. We had students there from all over, Israelis, Palestinian; Muslim, Jew, Christian; straight, gay, undecided; girls and boys; leading to an education that massively promoted engaged discussions on issues. Conflicts came up all the time, but prejudices were challenged, and an international understanding fostered. Nowadays, I look at the news and countries are no longer spots on the map, but places where my dormmates were from, or my classmates lived, or places I have consequently visited. This education is not as known about as I would like, but intergrated schools, and international qualifications such as the Baccalaureate, in my view, have massive benefits particularly if based in areas of conflict. I would love a UWC eventually to be based in Northern Ireland, but starting small, I would definitely add my voice to calls for integrated schools. It does not lead, as some may claim, to an homogonisation of culture, but a reinforcement of cultural identity minus the prejudices.
Old firm
[info]billious2 wrote:
Friday, 13 March 2009 at 01:34 pm (UTC)
For all those ostriches that don't accept Mr Hari's argument I suggest you make a trip to Glasgow on Sunday and visit our national football stadium. During, and especially after the 'old firm' game there you will be able to witness first-hand the direct result of sectarian schooling (and this is just Belfast-lite): assaults, wife-beatings and murders all shoot up on this auspicious occasion. It is truly sickening. How anyone could accept, let alone promote sectarian segregation of children in state-financed schools leaves me utterly dismayed. There are no benefits whatsoever, only fear and mistrust can result. Get these dodgy priests, imams or whatever away from your children. Look at the history, they don't exactly have a glowing track record when allowed contact with impressionable children. And they know exactly what they're doing. The politicians want you divided. The book's been around for hundreds of years - read it.
there are de facto 'protestant' schools
[info]_fingercuffs_ wrote:
Friday, 13 March 2009 at 01:42 pm (UTC)
I went to a school in Lisburn, Co Antrim which did not discrimiate on entry based on religion/ social background. However; during my time there I had one - One! - close Catholic school friend. To be fair, the school was quite liberal, when she and her sister performed Irish Dancing at a school talent contest, they were appauled, not bottled!

Anyhoo - the reason my school was almost 'segregated' was to do with the local area being overwhelmingly protestant. Would Johann suggest 'bus-ing' protestant kids to a Catholic school to make up the numbers? It would have it advantages perhaps, but its a harder thing for people to accept. Undoubtedly, however those Catholic schools ought to open their doors to non Catholic kids.

However, on the whole, I applaud this article - if I hadn't had the oppurtunity to meet Catholic children at a young age I wouldn't be so liberally minded now. However, I also have my alliance voting parents to thank for this - don't forget a lot of education begins at home!
Birth rates
[info]irishpaolo wrote:
Friday, 13 March 2009 at 02:00 pm (UTC)
Nice ideas if a bit simplified. One problem though; birthrates are not falling. They've been rising since 2000. It is the second round of the Irish babyboom (peaked in 1980) so it will start to slow eventually but not for a few years.
Well p*** all over my kettle why dont you
[info]why_tell_me_why wrote:
Friday, 13 March 2009 at 03:25 pm (UTC)
"Honestly religion (s) is a curse."

Yeah we need more level headed folk like you, who needs love thy neighbour when you got my neighbour s are a curse.

"Religions are divisive"

given the comments and opinions in this paper seems a little hypocritical as well as ironic to call religious people divisive when you dream of fully ostracising them.
schools in Wales
[info]davidharries wrote:
Friday, 13 March 2009 at 04:26 pm (UTC)
Re Wales and an earlier comment about faith schools in "England and Wales".
We do not have extra faith schools in Wales, just the traditional Anglican primary and Catholic primary and secondary schools.
We do not have academies either.
Most children attend ordinary schools.
The Welsh language sector is growing.
Integrated Schools
[info]allan_r_robb wrote:
Friday, 13 March 2009 at 04:51 pm (UTC)
Dear Mr. Hari,
I am a Canadian living in Ontario. Due to the agreements made when our country was founded in 1867, the Catholics have their own school system in the province of Ontario.
Until very recently however, the public funding only extended to Catholic primary school which covers up to Grade 8 or age 12.
As result, it cost parents money to send their kids to Catholic high schools. The result was that many Catholics transferred over to the public system in high school.
It was there I met many Catholics who became life long friends of mine. Without the public school system, these people would have remained complete strangers to me, the "Other".
The premier, Bill Davis, who allowed the Catholics high school funding doomed his party to lose election after election because the good people of Ontario have come to the same conclusion as you. The ONLY way to create a wholesome tolerant society is to send all of our kids to the same schools.
Faith Based schools create faith based divisons, let there be no doubt.

The work continues in Ontario to fight against the taxpayer funded Catholics schools. As you can imagine, Jews, Muslims and the rest have seen the special treatment extended to Catholics and have all lined up at the public trough so they can create their own incubators of hate. In our most recent provincial election, this concept was rejected and the party and leader who supported faith schools were rightly defeated. Faith based schools, an oxymoronic concept if there ever was one, pour gasoline on the fires of hatred and do not deserve taxpayer funding. Kids that go to school together learn to laugh, play and live together. Let them all pray to their own gods on their time, at their own expense, in their own homes and places of worship and let our schools get on with the good work of creating tolerant citizens of tomorrow.
Regards,
Allan R. Robb


Apartheid
[info]yukkejang wrote:
Friday, 13 March 2009 at 06:41 pm (UTC)
I agree schools that preach superstition (religion) should be closed, get the kids together at the earliest age and maybe just maybe they will grow together throwing this nonsense their parents have forced upon them.... And maybe the Apartheid in Northern Ireland and the West of Scotland will one day cease to exist...
Do the maths and see past the 'division'
[info]nistudent18 wrote:
Friday, 13 March 2009 at 07:05 pm (UTC)
This article is extremely shortsighted. The journalist seems to think there are only 3 types of school in NI: Catholic, Protestant and integrated. This is untrue as a large number of so-called Protestant schools, particularly in the grammar sector, are actually classified as inter-denominational and have a good representation from both sectors and other ethnicities. I feel I can say this as I am a Catholic attending a Quaker school, and I am not just an exception to the rule of "segregation". I feel the secondary schools have also been misrepresented. The divisions are often profound. The secondary school in my catholic-majority village was until recently was identified as 'controlled', ie non Catholic, and 'the Enemies' in the school and in the wider community enjoy excellent relations. In fact, in living here and attending the catholic primary school, I have never perceived any tension, nor indeed any sense of there being two sides. The 5% figure talked about here is irrelevant: integrated schools have undoubtedly been beneficial, but they are by no means the only mixed schools that exist.
As to the line 'carrying both sides in his veins', I find it slightly insulting as it implies that everyone in NI bides by this division. Or maybe I, of mixed heritage and education, will have to be the Norn Irish Obama...?
Religious Apartheid
[info]willpollock wrote:
Friday, 13 March 2009 at 07:57 pm (UTC)
This article is worded very carefully as it talks about integrated schools, where children can play together. This is the very same model currently in Glasgow where there are joint campuses with RC and non-denomination pupils in the same building. Unfortunately the RC church had major objections to pupils using the same entrance and using the same toilets and this project would never have gone ahead if it wasn?t for the RC Glasgow council bending over backwards to accommodate the RC churches wishes.
Integration should mean full integration, not this Glasgow half measure. All persons should be taught together whether they believe in religion or not. RE should be a subject like history or geography. Currently in Glasgow they are closing down poor schools due to save money as the buildings are crumbling and the school rolls are low. Parents are standing up at the closure meetings objecting that they just want their children taught as RC in RC schools, but the same parents haven?t got answer when their told that the adjoining chapels have all closed down due to no one attending. This hypocrisy is unbelievable.
All religions can apply to work in these RC schools. You put in your application, you go for your interview and then they advise you that you have the job but you must now show your RC approval. PLEASE TELL ME HOW THIS IS NOT DISCRIMINATION?
Intergrated education.
[info]whiteliberal wrote:
Friday, 13 March 2009 at 07:57 pm (UTC)
Johann Hari doesn't go far enough. What we need is the COMPLETE SECULARISATION of all education in the UK. Regrettably, the last ten years of Labour government has seen the encouragement of every religious group in this country to think that it has a right to turn children into narrow-minded bigots. Before we start making laws about intergated education in Northern Ireland, we should insist on it in mainland Britain.
Ireland
[info]writer_gb wrote:
Friday, 13 March 2009 at 08:19 pm (UTC)
Has Ireland not suffered enough? I grieve for them.
Lazy Journalism
[info]sinduff wrote:
Friday, 13 March 2009 at 08:24 pm (UTC)
Firstly, has Mr Hari actually been to Northern Ireland recently? Because I really don't recognise the Northern Ireland he describes! 'Layered with a strange hatred' ; 'The city sliced by 40ft walls' keeping people apart? Please! You've taken a CNN report from the late 70's/early 80s and copied their homework. Anyone visiting Belfast today will be struck by a really pleasant, modern, progressive city where people just get on with their lives. What the media over the past week have failed to recognise, while they were pointing out the road to peace, is that we have peace - we've had it for quite some time - and that's what makes the actions of the few mindless gunmen stuck in the past so desperately sad. But they won't win. No-one is going back.
Integrated education is a great idea and I hope to be able to send my kids to an integrated school when they are old enough. BUT I was educated at a Catholic school in NI and I can assure you I learnt Maths, Science, English, Languages and the very small part of our curriculum which was Religion was based on love and tolerance of all faiths and creeds. Similarly my Protestant husband was never taught to hatred of anyone at his state school! Young people here have ample opportunity to meet and form friendships with the 'other side' and they do. So don't patronise the people of NI by suggesting you have discovered the source of their 'problem' The kind of hatred which led to the horrific killings this week and throughout the troubles is taught in the home not the education system.
responses
[info]jaffgyp wrote:
Saturday, 14 March 2009 at 09:47 am (UTC)
a few responses:
-apologies re my mistake re welsh schools - viewed from scotland its easy to forget how wales also keeps so much of its own identity;
-as for grammar schools in ireland being non-divisive: well maybe from a religious point of view, but from the general social point of view def not- ever heard of comprehensives?!;
- of course there is no guarantee that non-religious schools will overcome all religious bigotry, as of course home background is even more important; but thats no argument against at least reducing the risk!;
Integrated schools
[info]mmcclean wrote:
Tuesday, 17 March 2009 at 03:04 pm (UTC)
If only it were that easy.

Yugoslav school were almost certainly secular and integrated under communism - did this stop civil war?

Real integration would be impossible to achieve in certain areas where the communities are totally segregated - how could a school in south Armagh or parts of Antrim be meaningfully integrated? Even in the cities many parents in areas such as the Falls or the Shankill - good, well-meaning people - would be afraid to send their children into the other area. Can anyone blame them? Are you suggesting replacing the existing school stock and rebuilding in neutral areas?

The already existing more positive attitudes of families with children in integrated schools would account for at least some of the more positive attitudes of their children. But, even integrated schools can produce sectarian children, despite their best efforts: one of those recently found guilty of offences in relation to the sectarian murder of a teenager was the product of an integrated school.

Let me state that I am not against integrated schools. They are very valuable and are desirable. However, it is extremely annoying when they are presented as 'the answer.'

Finally I very much resent Mr Hari's attitude that we should be made to feel Northern Irish. I am Irish and some of my neighbours are British - this does not make us bigoted. I accept, Mr Hari, that you are British; please accept that I am Irish.
Beyond true
[info]thesavageirish wrote:
Saturday, 21 March 2009 at 12:42 am (UTC)

I somehow forgot that this would still be the case. It was with horror I heard many years ago, though I can't back this up with particular references, where lunchtime in the schoolyard was a cynical scenario of four and five year olds cordoned off to their respective corners under the watchful eye of the british army. Milk and sandwiches garnished with lessons of hate. Great piece Johann, we live in hope.

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