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Johann Hari: You are being lied to about pirates

Some are clearly just gangsters. But others are trying to stop illegal dumping and trawling

Who imagined that in 2009, the world's governments would be declaring a new War on Pirates? As you read this, the British Royal Navy – backed by the ships of more than two dozen nations, from the US to China – is sailing into Somalian waters to take on men we still picture as parrot-on-the-shoulder pantomime villains. They will soon be fighting Somalian ships and even chasing the pirates onto land, into one of the most broken countries on earth. But behind the arrr-me-hearties oddness of this tale, there is an untold scandal. The people our governments are labelling as "one of the great menaces of our times" have an extraordinary story to tell – and some justice on their side.

Pirates have never been quite who we think they are. In the "golden age of piracy" – from 1650 to 1730 – the idea of the pirate as the senseless, savage Bluebeard that lingers today was created by the British government in a great propaganda heave. Many ordinary people believed it was false: pirates were often saved from the gallows by supportive crowds. Why? What did they see that we can't? In his book Villains Of All Nations, the historian Marcus Rediker pores through the evidence.

If you became a merchant or navy sailor then – plucked from the docks of London's East End, young and hungry – you ended up in a floating wooden Hell. You worked all hours on a cramped, half-starved ship, and if you slacked off, the all-powerful captain would whip you with the Cat O' Nine Tails. If you slacked often, you could be thrown overboard. And at the end of months or years of this, you were often cheated of your wages.

Pirates were the first people to rebel against this world. They mutinied – and created a different way of working on the seas. Once they had a ship, the pirates elected their captains, and made all their decisions collectively, without torture. They shared their bounty out in what Rediker calls "one of the most egalitarian plans for the disposition of resources to be found anywhere in the eighteenth century".

They even took in escaped African slaves and lived with them as equals. The pirates showed "quite clearly – and subversively – that ships did not have to be run in the brutal and oppressive ways of the merchant service and the Royal Navy." This is why they were romantic heroes, despite being unproductive thieves.

The words of one pirate from that lost age, a young British man called William Scott, should echo into this new age of piracy. Just before he was hanged in Charleston, South Carolina, he said: "What I did was to keep me from perishing. I was forced to go a-pirateing to live." In 1991, the government of Somalia collapsed. Its nine million people have been teetering on starvation ever since – and the ugliest forces in the Western world have seen this as a great opportunity to steal the country's food supply and dump our nuclear waste in their seas.

Yes: nuclear waste. As soon as the government was gone, mysterious European ships started appearing off the coast of Somalia, dumping vast barrels into the ocean. The coastal population began to sicken. At first they suffered strange rashes, nausea and malformed babies. Then, after the 2005 tsunami, hundreds of the dumped and leaking barrels washed up on shore. People began to suffer from radiation sickness, and more than 300 died.

Ahmedou Ould-Abdallah, the UN envoy to Somalia, tells me: "Somebody is dumping nuclear material here. There is also lead, and heavy metals such as cadmium and mercury – you name it." Much of it can be traced back to European hospitals and factories, who seem to be passing it on to the Italian mafia to "dispose" of cheaply. When I asked Mr Ould-Abdallah what European governments were doing about it, he said with a sigh: "Nothing. There has been no clean-up, no compensation, and no prevention."

At the same time, other European ships have been looting Somalia's seas of their greatest resource: seafood. We have destroyed our own fish stocks by overexploitation – and now we have moved on to theirs. More than $300m-worth of tuna, shrimp, and lobster are being stolen every year by illegal trawlers. The local fishermen are now starving. Mohammed Hussein, a fisherman in the town of Marka 100km south of Mogadishu, told Reuters: "If nothing is done, there soon won't be much fish left in our coastal waters."

This is the context in which the "pirates" have emerged. Somalian fishermen took speedboats to try to dissuade the dumpers and trawlers, or at least levy a "tax" on them. They call themselves the Volunteer Coastguard of Somalia – and ordinary Somalis agree. The independent Somalian news site WardheerNews found 70 per cent "strongly supported the piracy as a form of national defence".

No, this doesn't make hostage-taking justifiable, and yes, some are clearly just gangsters – especially those who have held up World Food Programme supplies. But in a telephone interview, one of the pirate leaders, Sugule Ali: "We don't consider ourselves sea bandits. We consider sea bandits [to be] those who illegally fish and dump in our seas." William Scott would understand.

Did we expect starving Somalians to stand passively on their beaches, paddling in our toxic waste, and watch us snatch their fish to eat in restaurants in London and Paris and Rome? We won't act on those crimes – the only sane solution to this problem – but when some of the fishermen responded by disrupting the transit-corridor for 20 per cent of the world's oil supply, we swiftly send in the gunboats.

The story of the 2009 war on piracy was best summarised by another pirate, who lived and died in the fourth century BC. He was captured and brought to Alexander the Great, who demanded to know "what he meant by keeping possession of the sea." The pirate smiled, and responded: "What you mean by seizing the whole earth; but because I do it with a petty ship, I am called a robber, while you, who do it with a great fleet, are called emperor." Once again, our great imperial fleets sail – but who is the robber?

j.hari@independent.co.uk

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Somali pirates
[info]jericho21 wrote:
Thursday, 5 February 2009 at 12:40 pm (UTC)
Thehistory of the pirates could be plausibe and even the allegations mooed about the somali pirates. The only problem is that they are mere allegaions. Where is the proof? As usual, we ordinary citizens of the world never know who to believe anymore.

Please don't make these allegations without providing some proof.

Lastly, if the waters off somalia are been 'raped' of their food resourses, why aren't the fish also poisoned by the toxic waste from all the poisons bein dumped, as you allege that the somalians along the coast are being poisoned? In a ntshell, the Western World is dumping toxic materials off the coast of Somalia AND also fishing the waters???

Please elaborate as I may not have read your articlwe properly.


Regards

Gerald Taylor
Re: Somali pirates
[info]siliconshaman wrote:
Thursday, 5 February 2009 at 02:01 pm (UTC)
To address your points.
1] what proof is there that the pirates aren't all gangsters? the fact that they are attacking ships that have no money should be proof enough. What pirates would attack trawlers and waste barges, not to capture but to drive them off?

2] dumping of waste and over-fishing are not mutually exclusive logically. [we used to do the same in our own waters remember]... and since it's done illegally and covertly they're no reason to suppose that the fishermen know about the dumping, and vice versa. Additionally, there is no reason to suppose that it occurs even in the same place. Somalia has a long coastline after all, not all of which is suitable for fishing off.

3] If you want proof of dumping of radioactive waste, I refer you to the article last year in this very journal, about the Somalian pirates who seized a shipload of 'ore' and subsequently became ill with mysterious burn-like rashes etc... Only the wilfully ignorant could mistake the classical symptoms of radiation sickness. And only the disingenuous would deliberately ignore it.

Edited at 2009-02-05 02:06 pm (UTC)
Re: Somali pirates - [info]swallowwhole - Thursday, 16 April 2009 at 03:53 pm (UTC) Expand
Re: Somali pirates - [info]some_facts_17 - Monday, 20 April 2009 at 09:12 am (UTC) Expand
Re: Somali pirates - [info]robz53 - Friday, 10 April 2009 at 07:50 pm (UTC) Expand
Re: Somali pirates - [info]edvad - Saturday, 11 April 2009 at 12:13 pm (UTC) Expand
Re: Somali pirates - [info]em_r - Thursday, 16 April 2009 at 02:45 pm (UTC) Expand
Re: Somali pirates - [info]wilperdoo - Thursday, 16 April 2009 at 09:13 pm (UTC) Expand
Nuclear waste being dumped in Somali waters.
[info]flydlebee wrote:
Thursday, 5 February 2009 at 02:12 pm (UTC)
Why would the Mafia sail all the way to Somalia (through the Suez Canal!) to dump in Somali coastal waters when the 12,000'-deep Mediterranean Sea is right next door?
Re: Nuclear waste being dumped in Somali waters.
[info]mikhael37 wrote:
Thursday, 5 February 2009 at 11:51 pm (UTC)
Remember, the "Suez Canal" belongs to a government based on police mafia.
Re: Nuclear waste being dumped in Somali waters. - [info]flydlebee - Friday, 6 February 2009 at 11:29 pm (UTC) Expand
Re: Nuclear waste being dumped in Somali waters. - [info]syntheto - Sunday, 12 April 2009 at 06:35 pm (UTC) Expand
Re: Nuclear waste being dumped in Somali waters. - [info]rayleddy - Monday, 13 April 2009 at 06:59 am (UTC) Expand
Re: Nuclear waste being dumped in Somali waters. - [info]flydlebee - Thursday, 16 April 2009 at 10:49 pm (UTC) Expand
Re: Nuclear waste being dumped in Somali waters. - [info]rayleddy - Friday, 17 April 2009 at 06:59 am (UTC) Expand
Re: Nuclear waste being dumped in Somali waters. - [info]greatestape - Wednesday, 15 April 2009 at 07:20 am (UTC) Expand
Re: Nuclear waste being dumped in Somali waters. - [info]flydlebee - Thursday, 16 April 2009 at 10:58 pm (UTC) Expand
This newspaper is getting more ridiculous by the minute
[info]fiskisadisgrace wrote:
Thursday, 5 February 2009 at 04:05 pm (UTC)

Commentators here have gone so much to the extreme left of the political map, that they have begun supporting piracy.

Yup, these are actually friendly eco-fighters. The west is, as usual, lying and evil.
The outlaws, espcially if they are Muslim, are of course freedom fighters.

It's just like the Independent's usual defense of Islamic terror. You are slowly slipping away from reality with your delusional conspiracy theories, automatically supporting everything that seems to oppose the landmarks of the west- USA, UK, Israel, etc.

Eccentric is the term.
Re: This newspaper is getting more ridiculous by the minute
[info]robz53 wrote:
Friday, 10 April 2009 at 08:00 pm (UTC)
G'DAY from Australia fiskisaetcetc check a map mate Israel is not in the West its pretty near smack bang in the middle of the Middle East...unless of course thats a sly dig at Israel being [still] illegally in the West Bank?
Re: This newspaper is getting more ridiculous by the minute - [info]falanf - Tuesday, 14 April 2009 at 07:20 am (UTC) Expand
I hate to say it, but...
[info]sara_sense wrote:
Thursday, 5 February 2009 at 05:17 pm (UTC)
Arrrr, Jim lad.

Sorry. Taxi for one.
Yet anouther muslim nation our great nation is helping to destroy
[info]copycat7 wrote:
Thursday, 5 February 2009 at 05:49 pm (UTC)
Nothing has changed since the times of the empire. We still have a slave trade in sex workers far bigger than 300 years ago, we still destroy nations for oil and plunder their wealth leaving the locals in poverty, we still dump our nuclear waste on the poor and defenceless and poison them all to death, we still tell all our victims not to commit the above mentioned crimes against humanity, we are still hypocrites in every way shape and form.
Re: Yet anouther muslim nation our great nation is helping to destroy
[info]corporeal4now wrote:
Monday, 13 April 2009 at 11:48 am (UTC)

Exactly right. Who ever controls law, media and finance, controls the world as we know it. No matter what the truth is buried under. The Western world laps it up.

This piracy story was based on 20 American hostages. But it turned out that the ship was manned by a crew from Southern Asia. Lies and spin fed to the media to make it look like it was an American crew - because we all know that the life of an American is worth many fold more then the rest of humanity.

It would be good to see the Somali defending their waters with better equiptment and weapons. Stop the toxic dumping and the illegal fishing.
Too far into the left
[info]gondorplace wrote:
Thursday, 5 February 2009 at 06:08 pm (UTC)
Johann,

If you publish articles about 5673836 different topics, one article per day, when do you find the time to research the topic? People with PhDs have less confidence than you about their views, and would take them a month before they publish the research of their specialisation. You, on the other hand, can post anything. Give us the data.

Off target again.

Re: Too far into the left
[info]lawpete wrote:
Monday, 9 March 2009 at 01:35 pm (UTC)
yeah u r ight... people with PHDs, highly educated peeps, like Bush, Cheney etc.
most of the professors at the universities who have PHDs and doctorates also worko for the government,
directly or indirectly, they are assigned tasks such research in a particular matter issue scenario etc...
and this serves as an opportunity to make people and they colleagues as well as firms aware of them...
so they think twice before they publish anything that might harm their careers...think about it....during your teen-days in your gang/crew or clique, if u had a different opinion on something than that of the ring leader or most of their members would you say it? maybe yes maybe not...but the fact is most people would make a sound...and so it is in the media and everywhere..we are all caught up in a system where most of us know what is right and what is not, and we are all competing with each other...more money...more fame.. people are more timid than ever.

To summarize this, if u'd search U'll find out that many well educated people also publish articles like this, many but ...u know
Re: Too far into the left - [info]mcity - Monday, 13 April 2009 at 05:45 pm (UTC) Expand
Re: Too far into the left - [info]imogenlucy - Monday, 13 April 2009 at 03:49 pm (UTC) Expand
Truth rings clearly
[info]paolo46 wrote:
Thursday, 5 February 2009 at 07:57 pm (UTC)
sometimes the truth rings loud and clear, this is one of those occasions when a concise article sheds the light of uncomfortable truth on a complicated and emotional topic, well done Johann, more articles of this calibre please.
Re: Too far into the left
[info]brazil2009 wrote:
Monday, 13 April 2009 at 03:27 am (UTC)
GONDORPLACE,
DON'T THINK IT IS OFF TARGET AT ALL.
NOTHING THAT IS TO BE FOUND IN THIS ARTICLE IS NEW TO ME.
WHERE IS DATA? WELL, GET BETTER INFORMED. THAT'S MY MESSAGE TO YOU. READ, GET INFORMED, NOT JUST BY READING THE INDEPENDENT. YOU'LL SEE THAT THE DATA YOU ARE DEMANDING IS RIGHT UNDER YOUR NOSE. MAYBE YOU ARE TOO FAR INTO THE NEVER NEVER LAND. JUST REMEMBER MATE YOU ARE NOT PETER PAN. WHO KNOWS, PERHAPS TINKER BELL? IN ANY CASE, MIND THE PIRATES!!!!
Re: Truth rings clearly - [info]some_facts_17 - Monday, 20 April 2009 at 07:52 am (UTC) Expand
Alterkocker
[info]alterkocker wrote:
Friday, 6 February 2009 at 10:22 am (UTC)
Yes, I am afraid it does justify hostage taking. The only people in Somalian waters are there to do the Somalians harm. The Somalians have every right to take any transgressors into custody. What do you think the governments of these transgressors would do if the shoe was on the other foot?
Re: Alterkocker
[info]redduster wrote:
Tuesday, 14 April 2009 at 02:56 am (UTC)
I'm sorry but that is utter nonsense. As a Merchant Seaman I have passed through the Gulf of Aden and surrounding areas, are you saying that I and the others on board the vessels I have sailed on were there to do the Somalians harm? No, we were merely doing our jobs like many other innocent and near defenceless seafarers who have had the misfortune of being taken hostage by these animals brandishing weapons.

To me your comment is implying that any vessel travelling through Somalian waters is fair game. On one of my previous trips I heard a vessel, which was Japanese managed and going by the pleas from the crew over VHF Radio seemed to be crewed by Filipinos, being hijacked. What justifies them being taken hostage when they aren't part of some evil European force out to destroy Somalia?

"What do you think the governments of these transgressors would do if the shoe was on the other foot?" Are you seriously comparing the hijacking of vessels to what actions the UK would take for example? The MCA may well board a vessel and inspect it, it may even detain the vessel if there is good reason to do so but they will do it in a civilised manner and when there is good reason to do so. The inspectors won't turn each ship they board into a prison or go around brandishing guns or threaten peoples lives. The Somalian pirates are far from justified in their actions.

Anyway, you will be glad to hear that your PC/laptop and many other items that you own will have passed through the Somalian waters. I hope you don't feel to guilty about doing your bit to encourage the harm of the Somalians.
So called Pirates dumping waste off Somalia coast
[info]mwengu wrote:
Tuesday, 24 February 2009 at 04:09 pm (UTC)
It is with interest I read this article, as here in the country in which I live, we are getting a totally different story. But for me, born a European and have lived there for most of my life, I do know Europe well enough to know that they are dumping Nucleare waste off by African coast, just as both America and Europe are dumping lots of dangerous waste material in large areas of Africa. Shame on them and this practice MUST stop, I have lived in Africa for many years and am married to an African, and we have seen this dumping practice with our own eyes, and know it it real.
thanks
[info]lawpete wrote:
Monday, 9 March 2009 at 01:18 pm (UTC)
thanks a lot for this article, thanks again and again, for bringing in light to this issue...
it's a pitty that most people read and/or watch major news and never questions the truthfulness of such...
people r getting more blinded everyday.. these are no allegations...they are facts...do some research for yourself before u build your opinion
Pieces of Hate?
[info]wormery wrote:
Thursday, 9 April 2009 at 08:47 am (UTC)
"They even took in escaped African slaves and lived with them as equals."

Ahhh. So we forgive them for their multiculti credentials then...

Silly revisionist relativism typical of confused loonie lefties.

Imposing modern values on the past is the hallmark of a mediocre thinker. And remember, the British navy actually stopped other nation's slaving after Britian had banned it - the black africans, spainish, americans etc wanted to continue. 18000 dies doing this - one third of the British Navy.

The history of piracy is fascinating - especially the Welshman Jack Morgan - but really, these Somalis are well-armed thugs as many in the messup of a country - we should just kill them all and bomb them to dust.

I just regret we let so many into the UK on spurious asylum seeker grounds (germany didn;t and refused entry to any supposed refugees). The UK - hoke to murderers and war criminals from Africa. Shame.

By the way Johann, these glorious muslim Somali heroes would hang you within five minutes - for being white, western, non-muslim, and gay. Choose your heroes more wisely matey...
Re: Pieces of Hate?
[info]corporeal4now wrote:
Monday, 13 April 2009 at 01:41 pm (UTC)

I am glad that there are so many hundreds of thousands of British-Somali citizens in the UK now :-)
Re: Pieces of Hate? - [info]jahrigsby - Monday, 13 April 2009 at 06:29 pm (UTC) Expand
yarr!
[info]thepoeticpirate wrote:
Thursday, 9 April 2009 at 06:25 pm (UTC)
Another great quote from the annals of the Pyrates is this, from "Black Sam" Bellamy, Captain of the Whydah, who was on the verge of founding his own nation on the Penobscott Bay on the coast of Maine when he was killed when his ship went down in a storm off Cape Cod:
"They vilify us, the scoundrels do, when there is only this difference: they rob the poor under cover of law, forsooth, while we plunder the rich under the protection of our own courage..."
Re: yarr!
[info]some_facts_17 wrote:
Monday, 20 April 2009 at 08:43 am (UTC)
It should be pointed out that Bellamy made this speech when offering some captives the choice of joining his crew, or else have their ship sunk and be marooned -- and Bellamy was a buccaneer who had the reputation of being unusually merciful.
Re: yarr! - [info]thepoeticpirate - Monday, 20 April 2009 at 04:44 pm (UTC) Expand
Re: yarr! - [info]some_facts_17 - Tuesday, 21 April 2009 at 12:46 pm (UTC) Expand
Re: Somali pirates
[info]red_planet92 wrote:
Friday, 10 April 2009 at 02:57 am (UTC)
It seems everyone's a victim these days, even pirates.
Does Hari have blackmail material on the editors???
[info]jackkrak wrote:
Friday, 10 April 2009 at 08:33 am (UTC)
I've long since ceased to be amazed your insane ranting and bizzarre commentary coming from just left of Stalin, but come on.... When can we look forward to a sympathetic take on modern bank robbing and shoplifting because Robin Hood once stole from the rich to give to the poor?
[info]theyellowdart27 wrote:
Friday, 10 April 2009 at 05:11 pm (UTC)
hahaha, you're halarious
[info]ebbi581 wrote:
Monday, 13 April 2009 at 04:36 pm (UTC)
you seemed to forget to mention the israelis for their genocide my friend!!!!
[info]sentjao wrote:
Friday, 10 April 2009 at 09:03 pm (UTC)
Oh, yes. Pirates, Hamas, Hizballah, Al-Qaeda, Austrian dungeon daddy Joseph Fritzl, Dracula, all kinds of murderers, criminals, robbers and rapists all have a cause and should be respected, talked with and given concessions. Congratulation, Independent.
[info]ebbi581 wrote:
Monday, 13 April 2009 at 04:38 pm (UTC)
would it really make any difference??? you would surely find other excuses.
MaTriX
[info]matrix322 wrote:
Sunday, 12 April 2009 at 04:37 am (UTC)
This is an opinion. You provide no facts to back up your claims. It's called Citation and Documentation. Without it , this is speculation and serves no purpose other than to provide the reader with a claim that has no substance.
Re: MaTriX
[info]robhk wrote:
Monday, 13 April 2009 at 10:33 pm (UTC)
Are you incapable of using Google? Perhaps Voice of America will be good enough for you.

http://www.voanews.com/english/archive/2005-02/2005-02-23-voa23.cfm
ROFLMAO
[info]matrix322 wrote:
Sunday, 12 April 2009 at 04:43 am (UTC)
You have provided a claim with NO EVIDENCE to back it up. If you seek to be a "journalist" or credible writer...learn how to provide documentation to back up your claims. Learn what APA format is. Learn how to write persuasively and not embarrassingly. I'm amazed at the lack of substance provided other than speculative opinion. This article is a perfect example of piss-poor journalism and if anyone gains a new perspective from it , they are clearly sheep and should be sheered.
Re: ROFLMAO
[info]ebbi581 wrote:
Monday, 13 April 2009 at 04:27 pm (UTC)
totally and absolutely agree. the system is set up so that the bigger thief one is the more protection he would have.
as peter sellers said in his movie the after the fox "" if i just could steal enough to become an honest man"" is the best way to describe these low life scums of the earth obviously supported by the authorities all the way through.
Re: ROFLMAO - [info]ebbi581 - Monday, 13 April 2009 at 04:40 pm (UTC) Expand
It's all relative
[info]tominlondon wrote:
Sunday, 12 April 2009 at 10:38 am (UTC)
The amount these pirates are stealing is negligible compared to what Madoff took, or Goodwin, McKillop & Co. and others who don't do it from boats and don't live in Somalia.
Re: It's all relative
[info]syntheto wrote:
Sunday, 12 April 2009 at 06:46 pm (UTC)
See Hari's article from yesterday about Lame Arguments. Yeah, they're bad, but what about...?
Re: It's all relative - [info]some_facts_17 - Monday, 20 April 2009 at 08:31 am (UTC) Expand
Re: It's all relative - [info]apostrophegirl - Tuesday, 21 April 2009 at 12:07 pm (UTC) Expand
UN Case Study: Toxic Waste Dumping in Somalia
[info]jane6pack wrote:
Sunday, 12 April 2009 at 03:26 pm (UTC)
See esp. pp 8 through 10.

http://www.unep.org.bh/Publications/Somalia/TSUNAMI_SOMALIA_LAYOUT.pdf

If I were to bury my head in the sand, this certainly is not the place I'd choose to do it.
Re: UN Case Study: Toxic Waste Dumping in Somalia
[info]zansal wrote:
Monday, 13 April 2009 at 07:51 am (UTC)
Good one. The UN believes nuclear and toxic waste has been dumped off the Somali coast for almost 30 years. Some of the ignorant idiots on this blog would do well to research their ignorance before declaring their stupidity in such forthright terms.

The blogger who lumps Dracula, Hamas and Pirates together! LOL what an absolute plonker. Their stupidity gets in the way of rational debate.
Re: UN Case Study: Toxic Waste Dumping in Somalia - [info]jahrigsby - Monday, 13 April 2009 at 06:31 pm (UTC) Expand
Re: UN Case Study: Toxic Waste Dumping in Somalia - [info]some_facts_17 - Monday, 20 April 2009 at 08:22 am (UTC) Expand
Smells like bullshit
[info]benzane wrote:
Sunday, 12 April 2009 at 04:26 pm (UTC)
Yes, we know Somalia is a failed state.

The rest of this is bullshit
Re: Smells like bullshit
[info]some_facts_17 wrote:
Monday, 20 April 2009 at 08:01 am (UTC)
Actually, we don't even know that.

Southern Somalia is a failed state. Northern Somlia -- Puntland -- was little affected by the civil war, has a government of reasonable effectiveness which holds regular elections and provides law enforcement, courts, universities, hospitals and TV stations; while private enterprise includes manufacturing and chemical industries and modern hygienic EU inspected food export businesses, as well as reliable electricity and some of the best internet connectivity and cellular phone coverage in Africa.

And the pirates are based mainly in Eyl, which is smack in the middle of Puntland.
You've Got to Be KIDDING ME!! You cannot possibly be serious!
[info]heywoodya wrote:
Sunday, 12 April 2009 at 04:50 pm (UTC)
What a load of steaming crap!

Starving Somalians, my left foot!

The EU inspects their fish--they're not going to give the stamp of approval to stuff that glows in the dark.

And why hijack container ships and oil tankers from other nations if your complaint is with European trawlers and fishing vessels??

Sorry Mister Hari--this is the most idiotic attempt at "justifying" murder, kidnapping and theft that I've ever seen. INDEPENDENT should be ashamed for publishing such a load of bushwah!!!
Re: You've Got to Be KIDDING ME!! You cannot possibly be serious!
[info]syntheto wrote:
Sunday, 12 April 2009 at 06:47 pm (UTC)
AMEN!!!!! HERE HERE!!!!
pirates_pirates_pirates_pirates_pirates.......
[info]fmvigneri wrote:
Sunday, 12 April 2009 at 05:20 pm (UTC)
...people trying to survive, perhaps.

we all have a system.
pirates_pirates_pirates_pirates_pirates_pirates ....
[info]fmvigneri wrote:
Sunday, 12 April 2009 at 05:30 pm (UTC)
...people try to survive, perhaps.

we all have a system.
______________________________

the captain is free, and 3 bad guys died.
[info]mister_bartlett wrote:
Sunday, 12 April 2009 at 08:08 pm (UTC)
And the Robin Hoods are distributing the money to widows and orphans. Or are they buying apartments and businesses in Kenya and beyond... I wonder
[info]peaseblozom wrote:
Monday, 13 April 2009 at 08:00 am (UTC)
Bluebeard? I do believe you mean Blackbeard.
pirates - angry fishermen - [info]sonbyrd - Monday, 13 April 2009 at 01:45 pm (UTC) Expand
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