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Mary Wakefield: Ignore the sceptics who are blocking the road to Rome

So the Pope is on the front pages, peering out at us, waving, inviting unhappy Anglicans to Rome. He's even made special provision for priests who might feel homesick and bent the rules to allow them to keep a few favourite things: hymns, the book of common prayer (in parts), their wives.

If the papers are to be believed, the poping priests will take their congregations with them, which means that there are now hundreds of thousands of potential left-footers, all shuffling anxiously around on the cliff edge of conversion, holding their noses, peering down.

Well, come on in, I say. The water's warm. I converted two years ago now, full of cowardly fear about what people might think, and to my surprise, I haven't regretted it since. But though the water is warm, I'd be lying if I said there weren't a few sharks around.

As Catholicism seeps back into Britain (St Thérèse of Lisieux's UK tour this year, the Pope's in 2010, the probable beatification of Cardinal Newman, etc), so too our national rage against Catholicism is on the rise. On Tuesday night this week there was a debate in the Methodist Central Hall in Westminster: "the Catholic church is a force for good in the world". Ann Widdecombe and Archbishop John Onaiyekan speaking for the motion, Stephen Fry and Christopher Hitchens against. Widdecombe was no bulwark against the secular wrath of Fry and Hitch. They took the church by the jugular like a pair of underexercised pit bulls and worried her half to death. Paedophilia, the inquisition, Hitler's Pope, the crusades, contraception – by the time they'd finished, the crowd was pulsing with anti-Catholic fury and the motion was in tatters. "If the Pope had walked in at the end, they'd have lynched him," said a priest who was at the debate, half joking, half genuinely alarmed.

But why was everybody so cross? Was it really a reasonable response? Yes, the church's history is bloody and corrupt, but so is England's, and that doesn't preclude patriotism. Like most other powerful institutions, the church has done some appalling things, but it has also championed women's rights, campaigned to end slavery, opposed the Iraq war, fed and clothed the poor and sent more and more effective aid to Africa than any other charitable organisation. There have been devious bishops but also devout ones and for every pervert priest many more who are self-sacrificing. When he calms down, even Stephen Fry knows the church does good – why else would he be hosting a fundraising event next month for the Passage, a day centre for the homeless, founded by Cardinal Hume, supported by Westminster Cathedral, inspired by the life of Christ?

As a former tormentor of Christians, especially of evangelicals, I know how enraging a goody-goody can be, but my suspicion is that the antipathy to Catholics has a different cause. It can't be about doctrine – why, in an effectively secular state, would anyone waste their time worrying about someone else's nutty beliefs? Live and let loonies live. The answer is, I think, that for most nominally Anglican or atheist Brits, Catholicism is still irrevocably alien. The mood in the Methodist Central Hall was not the righteous anger of enlightened liberals, but a reflex hostility to a foreign creed; the scaly tail of reformation revulsion, still twitching in the public mind.

After all, it's how I felt myself for years without realising it, and how my family has felt for generations. My great-grandmother felt jumpy about Catholics in the house. My grandmother eyed them warily. When I told my mother, as a joke, that papists sacrificed a goat mid-mass, she took a deep breath and squared her shoulders. She was determined to accept me, goats and all, but frankly, she wasn't surprised.

So why did I convert? The short answer is that I needed somewhere to believe. When I took my questions and doubts to the C of E, the priests looked embarrassed: "Believe? Gosh, don't bother with that!" They were nice, reasonable ambassadors for a nice, reasonable church and they left me feeling like a lunatic. So where to go? I inched towards the Catholic church, baulking like a nervy horse. From the outside, it looked crazy: a mix of dodgy doctrine and arcane ritual. But the closer I crept, the saner, the more light-hearted I felt, and once inside, even transubstantiation made perfect sense. Put it down to brainwashing if you like. Me, I'm with St Augustine of Hippo. Credo ut intelligam, he said. Believing is seeing. It would have Stephen Fry fit to be tied.

Who are you calling a sex object?

In her role as a Goodwill Ambassador, Nicole Kidman has appeared before the US Congress and complained that Hollywood portrays women in a bad light, as weak or as sex objects. "I can't be responsible for all of Hollywood, but I can certainly be responsible for my own career," she said. Why is it always women who strip off on screen who complain about sexploitation? I imagine the good congressmen nodding seriously, brows furrowed, while in their minds eye they replayed the steamier scenes from Eyes Wide Shut.

Misplaced faith in biometrics

What's the difference between Osama bin Laden and Winona Ryder? Nothing at all, if you're a biometric face scanner. A new book about all the lies we're told (Complete and Utter Zebu by Simon Rose and Steve Caplin) has an excellent chapter called "Biometrics: the billion pound confidence trick". Remember Jacqui Smith on the subject? "It's the first stage in an unbeatable ring of security" etc.

Well, in August last year, Manchester airport became the first international airport in the world to put the scanners into operation. But set on 100 per cent recognition they took far too long, so to speed up sluggish queues, officials adjusted them to operate on 30 per cent recognition, which is where they've remained, often unmanned, keeping us all safe.

And how effective is this 30 per cent recognition? Rose and Caplin point out that on this setting, the machines can't tell the difference between Gordon Brown and Mel Gibson or Osama and little Winona, left. So are they going to scrap the biometric system? Nope, it's now being rolled out in Heathrow. Hooray!

Don't get in the way of a cabbie and his rage

London taxi drivers might have reached their tipping point.

They've never been exactly temperate, but in the past few months a combination of roadworks, minicabs, bendy buses and the ongoing recession seems to have driven them properly insane.

A few days ago I was pedalling along Oxford street when a white van came by and knocked a taxi wing mirror. In a flash, the taxi driver had leapt from his cab and was banging like a madman on the white van door, swearing at him to get out. "What are you? A nancy? Come and fight." After a bit of covert rubber-necking, I skedaddled, but this is the fifth or sixth episode of black cab psychosis I've seen this year. In America, the mail men were so crazed that "going postal" became international slang. Perhaps we'll all be talking about "going taxi" soon.

Can't be seen without a poppy

Was there something a little depressing about the line-up of pin-on poppies on BNP Question Time on Thursday? Jack, David, Nick, Chris Bonnie, Sayeeda: all poppied up, a good two and a half weeks before Remembrance Sunday. I understand why they did it: fat, smirky Nick always wears one, they thought, and we can't have him looking like the only person who cares about Our Boys.

But somehow that row of poor poppies summed up everything that was wrong with the whole affair. Not just nasty Nick, but all the politicians and Dimbleby too, desperate to come across as national champions, parading their bogus concern for real heroes.

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The price paid by children so that Mary can have a safe place "to belive"
[info]trimountaingal wrote:
Saturday, 24 October 2009 at 10:50 am (UTC)
"So why did I convert? The short answer is that I needed somewhere to believe."

Mary, it is not that the Catholic church has paedophiles as priests that makes it so utterly vile and explicitly un-Christian; every organisation that has some involvement with children attracts paedophiles in the same way that cockroaches are attracted to the dark. What is despicable is its reaction to the knowledge that paedophile priests were using their authority as Catholic church representatives to rape and sexually assault children.

Instead of suspending these priests and cooperating with the police, they chose to enable their paedophiles to continue raping and abusing children by knowingly moving them from parish to parish. Instead of offering apologies and help, they actively worked to discredit these child abuse victims in an effort to avoid legal responsibility. Instead of offering compensation for the life-long damage done to victims, they sought to avoid financial responsibility by declaring bankruptcy and moving/hiding assets. Instead of admitting that paedophiles worked as priests they insist that they were homosexuals engaging in consensual relationships with other younger homosexuals (according to Catholic church 9, 10 and 11 year old children are now adults).

Good grief, what sort of disconnect must you have in your mind to ignore the self-serving behaviour of the Catholic church's ruling class just so that you have "somewhere to believe"? Mary, as a Christian, was the suffering of the dead and damaged victims of your church's paedophiles worth it just so that you can have a safe place "to believe?"
A fabulous post
[info]pjpm wrote:
Saturday, 24 October 2009 at 10:57 am (UTC)
Thankyou, Mary, for an excellent and thought-provoking post.
Nicole Kidman's address to Congress
[info]greenmask wrote:
Saturday, 24 October 2009 at 11:20 am (UTC)
I'd imagine women who "strip off on screen" complain because they are fully aware of the stigma that comes with it, as well as the pressures put upon them to engage in such scenes.

Ms Kidman's appearance before congress was both brave and admirable, and your description of her speech as "complaint" is hardly positive. Why would you excuse the actions of unprofessional congressmen and the jeering of news-reading misogynists by framing your coverage of an important moment for women in Hollywood - as well as Women's Rights gaining a very visible activist - in this way?
cont. - apologies, this didn't occur to me until after I hit post
[info]greenmask wrote:
Saturday, 24 October 2009 at 11:26 am (UTC)
Not to mention, for goodness' sake, that the reason she appeared at all was to lobby for the International Violence Against Women Act. That should be more newsworthy than the fact that some people prefer to have sexual thoughts than do their jobs or consider human rights.
You said it !
[info]flibbly wrote:
Saturday, 24 October 2009 at 11:54 am (UTC)
"Put it down to brainwashing if you like"

OK, I will, thanks.
But all religion is based on supposition.
[info]superkeith wrote:
Saturday, 24 October 2009 at 03:05 pm (UTC)
But surely the whole of Catholicism is a huge heirarchy based on a pinhead of historical provenance. Despite all sorts of claims to the contrary there is absolutely no proof,no real evidence of the Apostolic Succession and the whole proposition rests on one sentence of supposition by Irenaeus in about 290AD. Irenaeus was a kind of spin doctor and the most likely conclusion is that he invented the whole thing because he produced absolutely no evidence for his view and there is no evidence that some of the people he claimed were in that heirarchy existed at all. So the sole basis for the Church of Rome and Papal Authority is one dubious sentence of supposition. Where then is the Authority for any Papal statement or doctrine, including the Doctrine of Celibacy? Where then is the authority for any ordination of any Catholic cleric? In fact the power of Rome was gained by brutal military conquest and the most likely true Christian Church is probably Armenian or Alexandrian and the early Christians never believed in the Trinity, that was an invention of Paul and the Divinity of Jesus was decided by voting at the conference of Nicea. If we have another vote tomorrow can we reverse this? So these Clerics are invited to flee to something but whether that something has any historical provenance is very unlikely. If the Divine can see into our hearts and guide us daily then it is legitimate to ask what need have we to be attached to these hierarchies and their doctrines because it seems to me, from daily observation, that in practise the standards of morality, ethics and goodness are higher among the non attached than the doctrinaire.
English Reformation was the kick off point
[info]kraken1485 wrote:
Saturday, 24 October 2009 at 05:54 pm (UTC)
The English Reformation is indeed core to Englishness. Becket's spin doctors faked a saint but H2 was right about the relationship of Church and State.
The catholic church is still the most power hungry & manipulative international conspiracy ever.
As my Welsh atheist Gt uncle used to exclaim when a flock of preists passed "Bloody black crows on the bones of society" and he died in 1960 aged 96
Good does not excuse evil
[info]treenonpoet wrote:
Saturday, 24 October 2009 at 07:19 pm (UTC)
"He's ... bent the rules"

So the Pope is allowed to bend the rules? Does that mean he has higher authority than God, or has the all-knowing God changed His mind (just like He always knew He was going to do), or are the rules just made up and so can be changed on a whim?

"If the papers are to be believed, the poping priests will take their congregations with them"

How fickle faith is.

"Well, come on in, I say... But though the water is warm, I'd be lying if I said there weren't a few sharks around."

So Mary Wakefield is happy to invite people into shark-infested waters!

"As Catholicism seeps back into Britain (St Thérèse of Lisieux's UK tour this year, the Pope's in 2010, the probable beatification of Cardinal Newman, etc), so too our national rage against Catholicism is on the rise. On Tuesday night this week there was a debate in the Methodist Central Hall in Westminster: "the Catholic church is a force for good in the world". Ann Widdecombe and Archbishop John Onaiyekan speaking for the motion, Stephen Fry and Christopher Hitchens against. Widdecombe was no bulwark against the secular wrath of Fry and Hitch."

So the Pope is going to tour? Has the Roman Catholic Church agreed to fund such extravagance, because taxpayers have not.

If an MP with forceful views and much debating experience, plus an archbishop, are not a strong enough team against Fry and Hitch, just who do you suggest would be? Or could it be that they lost the debate because the Catholic church is not a force for good in the world?

"But why was everybody so cross? Was it really a reasonable response? Yes, the church's history is bloody and corrupt, but so is England's, and that doesn't preclude patriotism. Like most other powerful institutions, the church has done some appalling things, but it has also championed women's rights, campaigned to end slavery, opposed the Iraq war, fed and clothed the poor and sent more and more effective aid to Africa than any other charitable organisation. There have been devious bishops but also devout ones and for every pervert priest many more who are self-sacrificing."

Why use the word 'history' as if to suggest that since yesterday, everything has changed? The Catholic church is still a force for evil, and no good deeds can excuse that. And have they, for example, championed women's rights (encouraged female clergy, supported abortion, promoted contraception)? The issue of pervert priests is dealt with very well by trimountaingal (24 October 2009 at 10:50 am), but the religious ignore inconvenient facts.

"It can't be about doctrine – why, in an effectively secular state, would anyone waste their time worrying about someone else's nutty beliefs? Live and let loonies live. The answer is, I think, that for most nominally Anglican or atheist Brits, Catholicism is still irrevocably alien. The mood in the Methodist Central Hall was not the righteous anger of enlightened liberals, but a reflex hostility to a foreign creed; the scaly tail of reformation revulsion, still twitching in the public mind."

We are not in an effectively secular state. The nutty beliefs are still allowed to influence the law, and some of our taxes contribute to their propagation.

The mood in the Hall was not due to prejudice (as a comparison of polls taken before and after the debate shows). Fry and Hitch are strong on logic. Sometimes opponents to logic are so strong on fallacies that enough of an audience are, at least temporarily, taken in. It seems that this has not happened in this case. Evils of the Catholic church have again been exposed, and you expect the audience not to be angry? Such anger is fuelled partly by the inability to do anything about it. Protests are ignored. Petitions to Number Ten are answered, metaphorically speaking, by two raised fingers. Letters to MPs are dismissed. And a vote for either main party is a vote to continue Government support for religious indoctrination.
Catholicism
[info]catlady141 wrote:
Saturday, 24 October 2009 at 10:49 pm (UTC)
Unlike this writer I come from a Catholic family, on my mother's side. The church's foul attitude towards her "mixed" marriage to my nominally Protestant Dad was what made her leave the church. Here are some more good reasons to loathe them: paedophile priests, the refusal to allow the use of condoms in the fight against AIDS in Africa, homophobia, misogyny. Catholicism has never seemed pretty and exotic and daring to me. The BNP have a pretty bloody past too, and probably anger Fry and Dawkins. Why not join them too? Not enough incense?
As Catholicism seeps back into Britain...
[info]stoat100 wrote:
Sunday, 25 October 2009 at 10:08 am (UTC)
I like the terminology: it's similarly seeping *out* of Ireland.

Like an open sore.

No thanks.

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