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Mary Wakefield: Sex education classes are the last thing young children need

Such a charming little story I heard this week, told me by a friend who is governor of her local school. We were standing outside Sainsbury's, wondering where the car was parked, when The Twelve Days of Christmas started up in the forecourt. My friend sighed; gave her head a sad little shake. "What?" I asked. Well, she said, as a treat for the younger pupils, two officials from the local NHS trust had arrived to sing a song for them during the class that used to be sex education and is now PSHE (personal, social and health education). It was a jolly song, chosen with the festive season in mind, and because I've since found the lyrics online I can tell you that it went like this:

"On the first day of Christmas, my true love gave to me, a bug that made it hard to pee...
On the second day of Christmas my true love gave to me chlamydia and a chance of infertility...
On the third day of Christmas my true love gave to me, syphilis and now my testicles are sore and lumpeee..."

On days four to 12, sang the happy health workers, my true love gave to me, in this order: genital herpes, gonorrhoea, pubic lice, hepatitis, trichomoniasis, genital warts, scabies, pelvic inflammatory disease and crabs. The song is called The 12 STDs of Xmas and I think (though I hope I'm wrong) it was accompanied by slides.

Afterwards, the NHS minstrels left very pleased with themselves – instructive and fun too! But the kids sat in worried silence. They were traumatised, said my friend. No wonder. Their spongey little brains were learning to associate true love with herpes and Christmas with lumpy testicles.

But if the 12 STDs of Christmas didn't enlighten the pupils, it has at least helped me to pinpoint the source of my unease about this sort of "warts-and-all" sex ed, which nice Mr Balls has announced this week will now be mandatory even for five-year-olds.

I don't think the STD song was an aberration – it's the sort of thing sex ed enthusiasts think is tops. And I don't think they really mind if it horrifies children, because the kids are beside the point.

Aggressive PSHE, of the sort pushed by Labour for a decade, isn't really intended to help children – how could it be? Where's the need for sex ed in the 21st-century Britain? There's sex on movie screens, on billboards, in magazines; sex in pop songs trickling down iPod wires straight into auditory cortices of every sentient tot.

Where my generation once pored like medieval scholars over the pages of Judy Blume's Forever looking for clues, a 21st-century teen (from any background) just asks Google, the purveyor of hardcore, no questions asked. Of course, PSHE hopes to teach not just the facts of life but a responsible attitude towards them – but it's wasting its time there too. Since when did telling off a child to be responsible have any effect?

You can teach a teen to take things seriously by putting it in charge of something, or leaving it on open moorland and making it find its way home. But lectures just wash over them.

The stats say it best: the Government first began its sex ed crusade in 1999 but to date it has had zero effect on teenage conception rates. For a decade, the Government has scatter-bombed British kids with condoms. Buckets-full in schools for all ages (a choice of coloured, flavoured and ribbed, says my friend); lessons in how to put them on ("Darling, what a wonderful technique, your father and I are so proud!"). In 2002 during some new initiative, there were condom-dispensing NHS vans kerb-crawling for kids.

None of it has had the slightest effect. STDs are on a soaring all-time high, as are teenage abortions. A reputable study done in Scotland proved that girls who underwent a prolonged and enhanced sex ed programme of the sort Balls has just prescribed had no better pregnancy and abortion rates than the girls who didn't.

I wouldn't be surprised if it even proved to be damaging. My governor friend told me of one boy who was too embarrassed to roll a rubber on to a banana in front of the girls and kept crying. Could they have a sex ed class just for boys? asked his mum. No way, said the PSHE teacher. That would be wrong. But why would it be wrong? What's so bad about avoiding humiliation?

And why all this prescriptive bossiness over procreation? I've come up with two answers. The kinder answer is that government ministers and leftie teachers are still fighting ghosts of the past. The sex ed pests come from a generation that was still suffering from the after-effects of the Victorian sex omertà. They had to rage against prudery and prejudice in the 1970s and have been fighting ever since. For them, each condom in a seven-year-old hand is one in the eye for their frosty parents.

The second reason is more cynical. It remains stubbornly true that it's girls and boys from poorer backgrounds, early school-leavers and benefit-seekers who have all these unwanted pregnancies and STDs. But improving schools, raising aspirations and lowering unemployment is a daunting and difficult job. Much easier and much cheaper too just to carry on throwing condoms around.

Bercow's bijou riverside home

There are many good reasons to be wary of young politicians, but I hadn't realised until recently that to top it all, they stand to cost us a good deal more than their wise old colleagues. John Bercow, the Tory Speaker, has the best flat in London – a glorious two-storey apartment in the House of Commons overlooking the Thames.

I was looking at it enviously the other day when a Commons caretaker told me that it was going to cost an extra 20 grand of public cash to make it child-friendly. Then there's the thought that, if he makes it to PM, Cameron stands to be the youngest Prime Minister since 1812. But a young PM means young kids and, as Blair found out, it's almost impossible to fit children into No 10.

Unlike Blair, however, Cameron can't just take over No 11 because Chancellor George has two children under 10 as well, and there's talk of a third to come. I sense more expensive extensions to already flash pads, and my bitter, taxpayer's heart brims with resentment.

Why all the fuss to install Park on the plinth?

So Air Chief Marshal Sir Keith Park has made it up on to the fourth plinth in Trafalgar Square at long last. Arise, Sir Keith, good job. I salute you as I cycle past, for without you (I'm told) the Battle of Britain would have been lost and the free world a goner.

OK, I'm lying. The truth is, I'd never heard of Keith Park GCB, KBE, MC before the campaign to plinth him began, and I still can't quite figure out what all the fuss is about.

The campaign was frighteningly well organised and well funded: field marshals, MPs, Tony Benn, the vice-chancellor of Oxford – they've been at it for years, pushing for Park, but why?

Surely there are other, better known and just as heroic or deserving candidates. What about the Queen? There are other questions too. What were the Parkies thinking when they chose to depict their hero pulling on what looks like a pre-op surgical glove? And why such intensity and lack of humour?

When Boris Johnson was first elected Mayor of London, he had to sit through interminable and vicious debates between the various fourth-plinth competitors. During one such, he was struck with inspiration. "I've got it!" he said. "Let's forget the silly old statue and just rename Hyde Park as Keith Park!"

It's an excellent joke I think, not to mention a terrific idea. Not one Parkie even cracked a smile.

A sad time when Leonardo sells his soul

Why do beautiful, rich, talented actors – especially cool ones who make a show of their artistic integrity – go and ruin it by appearing in watch adverts? A crack appeared in my teenage heart when Johnny Depp first posed for Mont Blanc pens. Now there's lovely Leo DiCaprio, looking all dangerous and moody in the service of Tag Heuer. It's perplexing and wrong. Surely it's the rest of us (skint and unprincipled) who have to kowtow to big business. Isn't the whole point of being glam and rich that you can afford not to sell your soul?

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Leonardo
[info]huppertamie wrote:
Saturday, 7 November 2009 at 03:40 am (UTC)
Actually, he did the adverts for Tag Heuer to benefit environmental organizations. He donated his fee to go to them as well as made the stipulation that a portion of all sales of the watches go to environmental organizations. So, no, Leonardo is not a sell-out..at least not in this case.
Sex education clearly isn't working
[info]rozr wrote:
Saturday, 7 November 2009 at 06:23 pm (UTC)
I've been wondering duiring much of Labour's 3 terms why the teen pregnancies and STI's keep going up whilst Labour were supposed to be telling these children how to do it, how to protect, etc. Going on the article above, no amount of education is going to make a difference to the stats..

What seems to work best with teens who have this attitude to sex education is to forbid them to do something or warn them it's very very dangerous and they could get addicted to it as well. They'll then all do it just to annoy us. Just make sure what we warn them against is exactly what we actually want them to do.
[info]bonoffee wrote:
Sunday, 8 November 2009 at 01:11 am (UTC)
Did you intend for your first article to make no connected sense whatsoever? No? Shame, that.
Daily Mail anyone?
[info]boonwriter wrote:
Sunday, 8 November 2009 at 10:51 am (UTC)
I find it astonishing that even in an opinion column, a journalist would declare that her information was picked up from a friend outside a supermarket. Where is the validity in the 'information' that she has used the majority of her page with? This story is a complete distortion of the facts and is the typical knee jerk, sensationalist, stamping foot claptrap I would expect from the Daily Mail, not the Independent. Can't you find someone who actually has some credibility to write this column on a Saturday? We had her religious beliefs the week before and I feel her article this week was perhaps swayed by her catholic principles, hence her eagerness to exaggerate with no evidence.
Mary Wakefield
[info]tombl wrote:
Monday, 9 November 2009 at 10:52 am (UTC)
Agre with boonwriter. Her column reads like Glenda Slag the "Private Eye" parody. Ill informed and lazy. What is she doing in the Indy?
Sex Education
[info]emmal80 wrote:
Monday, 9 November 2009 at 06:22 pm (UTC)


What a poorly written article this is, full of assumptions, incorrect information, stereotypes and anecdotes apparently plucked to suit the columnists bias.

I find it so frustrating that when we talk talk about personal and social education for primary aged children it is referred to as 'sex education' - look at the curriculum and you will see that in primary schools children are learning about relationships, family, their bodies, hygeine, how we change and develop.

Would you rather a return to an age when 10 year old girls commit suicide because they do not undertand what is happening when their period starts (an event which prompted the founding of the samaritans)?

Furthermore I can ensure you that media portrayal does not offer an equivalent to sex education; it perpetrates gender stereotypes, gender-based violence, poor-body image and misconceptions about sexuality and sexual relationships.

Sex education is about relationships, self-esteem, communication, assertiveness as well as STIs and contraception - if you ever have the joy to teach sex education then you would find out that activies such as the STD song are only a small part of a much wider and holisitic process.

Final thing, intervetions in England are having an impact ' The provisional 2007 under-18 conception rate for England of 41.7 per 1000 girls aged 15-17 represents an overall decline of 10.7% since 1998 – the baseline year for the Teenage Pregnancy Strategy'

Why not speak to some people involved in this field before trying to set the agenda?
sex ed
[info]toseland wrote:
Thursday, 12 November 2009 at 11:02 am (UTC)
I'm only 24; it hasn't been that long since I was a teenager. My sex education classes were immensely helpful to me. Sure I had seen movies and heard songs that mentioned sex, but most of those aren't exactly instructional. I remember the condom-on-the-banana exercise. The student who demonstrated was a confident volunteer, and while there were a few laughs, I'll never forget it because I actually had no idea how to put a condom on before that. Nor did I know other basic important facts they told us, like that you have to out on a new condom after male ejaculation because the first one will come off. I can also remember being about 11 when we had a q&a session about sex. Someone asked "Can you get STDs from oral sex?". Of course the answer is yes, but none of us knew that. I can tell you unequivocally that even if kids do find adults talking to them about sex bit awkward and sometimes hilarious, it does stick with at least some of them. I agree with the author that the most important way to fight young pregnancy and abortion rates is to raise education standards and employment rates in poorer areas, but I don't understand why she thinks that failing that we should remove sex education AS WELL, leaving kids totally defenceless. I also think she is greatly overestimating the fragility of kids' minds if she thinks anyone is going to be traumatized by the 12 stds of christmas. I remember a similar song when I was a kid about genital warts. We all thought it was hilarious but I'll always remember the moral, which was that you can't always see visible symptoms of herpes. Give kids a little more credit.
No, the highest teenage pregancy rate in Europe is the last thing they need
[info]pum01 wrote:
Thursday, 12 November 2009 at 11:05 am (UTC)
Astonishing, Daily Mail-esque piece - I'd expect better from a so call "quality" paper. The teen pregnancy rate in the UK is more than 4 time higher than the Netherlands, where sex education starts from age 5 (with basics of anatomical differences and where babies come from.)
Park on the Plinth
[info]stephenethomas wrote:
Saturday, 14 November 2009 at 10:20 am (UTC)
To object to the statue of Sir Keith Park on the plinth in Trafalgar square is one thing, I'm sure that there are indeed many other notable people who could be considered for the same recognition, but to gleefully deride any contribution made by him without understanding what that contribution was is simply disrespectful to all those who lived through WWII and who fought under the direction and leadership of men like Park.

To further portray your own ignorance and journalistic laziness as something to be applauded, for it's light hearted swipe at the stuffiness and lack of humour of the "frighteningly well organised and well funded" 'Parkies', beggars belief. Try a little history, comprehend the realities of the time, and then maybe you will have a little more compassion and understanding for the people who value the contribution that one man made for a nation, a continent and the world.

Have a statue, don't have a statue, but don't champion disrespect in an ill conceived attempt at humour. It offends all those who remembered our armed forces in Armistice week, why should Park not be offered the same respect?
Since when did "what I don't know" become a subject for journalism?
[info]d_mather wrote:
Sunday, 15 November 2009 at 07:42 am (UTC)
"Sir Keith Park saved Britain from invasion in the 1940s." This is an interesting fact, worthy of reporting in a serious national newspaper. "Mary Wakefield has never heard of Sir Keith Park." This is of no relevance to anyone other than (presumably) Mary Wakefield, and would belong in OK Magazine if the she were interesting in her own right.

Please listen to Clive James http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/console/p004w686 , and if you want to be a journalist please do learn the many ways in which it differs from dinner party conversation before you try again.

Park/Clive
[info]plinthamongmen wrote:
Sunday, 15 November 2009 at 09:42 am (UTC)
Enough said about Wakefield's wilful ignorance of the facts on sex education and teenage pregnancy rates. But do listen to Clive James at http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/console/p004w686 or read the transcript at http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/8359288.stm (part quoted below - presumably Clive James is feigning ignorance about the identity/age of the Independent's editor):


... There is something even stranger that we should deal with first. Because if there is nothing especially inspired about the fibreglass statue except its size and fibrous glassiness, it has certainly inspired a great moment in journalism. A moment which, I think, is at the centre of the question about whether liberal democracy might not be losing its memory, and along with its memory, its mind.

I won't name the journalist concerned, except to say that she has a column in one of the serious newspapers. In this column she unblushingly announced: "I'd never heard of Keith Park GCB KBE MC before the campaign to plinth him began and I still can't figure out what all the fuss is about."

That was her talking. This is me talking again, saying that I won't name the serious newspaper either, except to say that I hope its editor, when he returned from holiday later that day, called her into his office and explained that if she really thought ignorance was a more honest form of knowledge then she should go and work for the kind of newspaper where she could interview Katie Price's previous chest.

But there is always the chance, alas, that he is pretty young too, and didn't know who Sir Keith Park was either. Or maybe they both did know and were just feigning ignorance because that was a fun way of filling space, and after all, what does it matter? ...
The Daily Independent?
[info]davidpoulter wrote:
Sunday, 15 November 2009 at 10:16 am (UTC)
Doesnt' this sort of stuff belong in a taboid (lightweight) opinion column.
Keith Park
[info]faisalaziz wrote:
Sunday, 15 November 2009 at 10:34 am (UTC)
Shame on you
Pseudo-Journalism
[info]607_squadron wrote:
Sunday, 15 November 2009 at 01:26 pm (UTC)
It is truly alarming to think that someone who must have made it through to the higher reaches of our education system and is supposedly giving a reasoned argument is such an airhead.
As more of our history slips from living memory it becomes more importnat than ever to have a balanced view of what has gone before.
This is just another example of woefully lazy pseudo-journalism as practised by the 21st century media where it's more important to posture than it is to provide a finally balanced argument that is factually correct. I thought that the whole point of 'The Independent' was that it adhered to the principle of providing this balanced point of view and that it aspired to be intellectually rigororous.
I think that this piece is an insult to the memory of the second world war generation who deserve our greatest respect for what they acheived.
Offended
[info]kcscorpion wrote:
Sunday, 15 November 2009 at 02:10 pm (UTC)
I'm 23 and I'm not particularly well read in most areas; I've been doing science degrees for a few years so I only have time to read scientific journals. Not a lot of wider knowledge as such. Yet even in passing I know of Sir Keith Park, purely from history lessons from when I was in primary school and we looked at the British homefront during WW2. Frankly it comes across as offensive to his memory, and by extension, to the memory of those who fought and died defending our country during the Battle of Britain.
As for Leonardo becoming a sell-out, one of my friends has pointed out that his fees are going towards environmental concerns. I haven't checked this myself, but from the understanding you've shown elsewhere in your article their knowledge is probably larger and far more reputable and informed.
Your tone throughout this article comes across as arrogant and ill-informed. And you even seem to revel in this ignorance. As a journalist I'd have expected a far higher level of informed opinion. I seem to spend more time researching facts and other bits of information due to discussions with my family after a meal then you do for your job.

Please in future either think and do some research before you submit your work for publishing within this paper, or work for another publication which is more suited to this level of work, like OK magazine or other such pieces of rubbish.
Research
[info]rma_reborn wrote:
Sunday, 15 November 2009 at 02:48 pm (UTC)
It is very important, Mary. I suggest, before you make such moronic statements as:

"I'd never heard of Keith Park GCB KBE MC before the campaign to plinth him began and I still can't figure out what all the fuss is about."

You should go and do some reading. Though, from the rest of the tone of this column, that might be a dangerous thing for you to do. Shame on you for this column. And shame on the Independent for letting it into the paper.
Who she?
[info]plinthman wrote:
Sunday, 15 November 2009 at 04:36 pm (UTC)
Who is this silly little girl Mary Wakefield, and how, despite apparently being allowed to be a "journalist" on the "august" Independent, and clearly being about 15 (and therefore presumably) techno-savv, can't she spend 10 seconds looking up Keith Park on Wikipedia so as not to appear so stupid? Clive James needs his adenoids sorting, and always has, but he has Ms Wakefield down, bang to rights. What an idiot she is. Come on Andreas, show her the door! She is an example of the reason why people won't pay a quid a day for newpapers. A quid a day suggests quality might be needed, not the tones of Viz's Glenda Slag
Air Chief Marshal Sir Keith Rodney Park GCB, KBE, MC & Bar, DFC, RAF
[info]drivebyshhoter wrote:
Sunday, 15 November 2009 at 04:37 pm (UTC)
good god miss wakefield - you must be the only "journalist" too stupid to use wikipedia.

here, let me help - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keith_Park
Internship
[info]schillertoo wrote:
Sunday, 15 November 2009 at 04:56 pm (UTC)
So... this is the newspaper that publishes Robert Fisk?

P.S. on the assumption that Ms Wakefield's internship will soon be over, please can my daughter have it? I know she could do a better job. But then, not too difficult, frankly...
Re: Internship
[info]plinthman wrote:
Sunday, 15 November 2009 at 05:51 pm (UTC)
I posted a comment too, but yours beat mind hands down. Internship...priceless!
Sir Keith Park
[info]pieredes wrote:
Sunday, 15 November 2009 at 05:41 pm (UTC)
"The truth is, I'd never heard of Keith Park GCB, KBE, MC before the campaign to plinth him began, and I still can't quite figure out what all the fuss is about."

To quote the humourist Scott Adams:

'Since when did ignorance become a point of view?'
Re: Sir Keith Park
[info]eustaciav wrote:
Sunday, 15 November 2009 at 06:28 pm (UTC)
Can we start a campaign to rid ourselves of this lazy, self-referential 'journalism' that has become the staple of the broadsheets far more than the tabloids? Tabloids don't flatter themselves by using long words and thinking the great unwashed (you and me, dear reader) will be impressed because the columnist can quote the bons mots of their mates, such as Boris. I'd never heard of Sir Keith Park - and I'm quite old. I then heard of the campaign for the plinth and knew a little more. Listening to Clive James today I cried - not least at my shameful ignorance given my privileged position of taking freedom for granted, every day, whatever I perceive to be my 'problems'. Isn't that what journalism is for - to challenge, provoke, educate - and just occasionally, at its best, to make you feel?
Why all the fuss to install Park on the plinth?
[info]freedriv082000 wrote:
Sunday, 15 November 2009 at 07:50 pm (UTC)
Dear Mary Wakefield,

Please read your history books before you make comments about subjects of which you obviously ignorant.

Or are you part of that modern group of idiots who are proud to say that they have never read a book.

If it had not been for heroes such as Sir Keith Park, well you might well be writing in German about Herman Georing.

Your comments about Sir Keith Park put you in the same intelligence category as Brian Glover's character (Hislop) in the episode of the BBC sitcom Porridge (see link below).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OUEnIElLro0

I suggest that you do some reading into the subjects of history and geography before writing any opinions about any subject in the future.

You should be ashamed of your willful level of ignorance and stupidity.

Yours Sincerely

Adam Bailey
Keith Park
[info]jkmbrown wrote:
Sunday, 15 November 2009 at 08:16 pm (UTC)
Reading the correspondence about Mary Wakefield's column on 7th November, I suggest that Sir Keith Park's statue should be the permanent occupant of the fourth plinth. It will remind those - like Miss Wakefield - who take freedom for granted how precious it is and how dearly it has been bought.
Re: Keith Park
[info]ctuck42 wrote:
Sunday, 15 November 2009 at 10:15 pm (UTC)
I agree entirely, far better a statue of a man like Sir Keith Park take residence alongside Nelson, King George IV, Havelock and Napier than someone with nothing better to do than hold a sign for an hour.
Mary Wakefield
[info]johnoshea wrote:
Sunday, 15 November 2009 at 10:26 pm (UTC)
I look forward to your next column telling us all about what you don't know. Judging from this one, you should have plenty of material detailing your ignorance.

Your friend will not be 'governor' of a school, she will be one of several - just as I am. If she was that concerned about the song and the educational package from the local NHS trust, then she should be able to raise it with the head teacher and change it. Simply sighing and shrugging her shoulders is an abrogation of her duty as a governor. If, of course, she exists. Or did you just find the song and the slideshow online, as I did and make the rest up? I doubt very much that this little performance - if indeed it did happen - was delivered to a class of primary children.

As for Sir Keith Park, he's not pulling on a surgical glove, but his flying glove in preparation for another hop to an 11 Group airfield to lead his men in defence of this country. He led from the front. Yes, the campaign was well organised, which might suggest that some people understood his contribution to winning the battle rather more than you do, although your ignorance qualifies you to suggest that there might be some other more suitable candidates.

Oh and the quote from Boris Johnson comes from his speech unveiling the temporary statue, not from some debate. The statue is only up there for six months and will then be removed, cast and installed in Waterloo Place close to the New Zealand High Commission.
Sir Keith Rodney Park
[info]jcoats wrote:
Sunday, 15 November 2009 at 11:17 pm (UTC)
I understand that everyone in 2009 is busy. We're all busy rushing about and getting on with so many things to do and so little time to do it. But when your job is in journalism could you not have spent 30 seconds looking up this gentleman's name on Wikipedia? To save you a few of your precious seconds here's the link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keith_Park.

I thought this outlandish celebration of your ignorance was downright offensive. If I don't know something I don't shout about it. I go and look it up! I expect this kind of nonsense from the Daily Mail but not the Independent.
Keith Park
[info]kendonagasaki wrote:
Monday, 16 November 2009 at 12:56 am (UTC)
I read an article by Clive James in which he quoted you (anonymously). I was so taken aback I searched you out to make sure that he wasn't misrepresenting you. I find, that if anything, he understated the case.

I strongly recommend you read up on Keith Park and what he did. A good start would be "The Most Dangerous Enemy" by Stephen Bungay. In that book he makes the assessment that the generalship (if such a word exists) was comparable to say Wellington's at Waterloo - but sustained for three months, not one day.

In one way though the memorial is irrelevant. His real memorial lies in the fact that you can write what you like and I can reply as I like. He was far from alone in achieving that of course, but he was a key figure.
Keith Park
[info]jcfitzsimmons wrote:
Monday, 16 November 2009 at 08:15 am (UTC)
Having listened to Clive James' "Point of View" yesterday morning, before which time I didn't now who Keith Park was either, I can't decide which is more objectionable that the columnist saw fit to post this vacuous drivel or that the editor saw fit to allow it to be published. What is reallly required here, but in an enviroment where responsibility of privilege appears absent seems unlikely, is an apology.
Shameful Ignorance
[info]snouv wrote:
Monday, 16 November 2009 at 07:48 pm (UTC)
I read this article in the paper the other day and I still can't get it out of my head. That someone who is lucky enough to be able to publish their opinion in a serious newspaper should flaunt the fact that she is utterly ignorant disgusts me. I confess, I initially did not know who Sir Keith Park was (I lived in France all my childhood and I went to school there) but that does not mean the man is not worthy of recognition. From what I have read about him, he is all too worthy. Why is it acceptable these days for so-called columnists to publish their ignorant and heavily biased opinions in serious papers these days?

I read the Independent very regularly because I believe it is the best newspaper out there, but I am starting to baulk at what gets published in it sometimes. Some of these journalists need to get out of their cosy little middle class offices and see the real world for what it really is. Even people like Johann Hari, who won an award recently for his journalism, can extremely biased and naive. I am no expert (I am 20 years old) but I can still see clearly when some so-called "journalist" attempts to lecture us on something he/she knows very little about. I read the paper looking for intelligent analysis, not to har someone's idiotic views and opinions.
Keith Park
[info]sharpey123 wrote:
Tuesday, 17 November 2009 at 12:04 pm (UTC)
What an astonishingly poor article and not worthy of the journalistic qualities one would expect from The Independent. In particular the comment regarding Keith Park.

Clive James puts it perfectly in his article today on the BBC's website.

It is true that there might be other notable dignitaries who are worthy of a statue too, but Keith Park is one who was chiefly responsible for preventing the Luftwaffe from leading the way to defeating Britain in the war by, if not invasion itself, the forced-development peace-making overtures which would have have meant, as Clive James, you would be writing in German now.

I know journalists like to create a controversy with their articles but that is usually born of some intelligence behind the article...isn't it?
Education not working
[info]hydeblake wrote:
Tuesday, 17 November 2009 at 02:02 pm (UTC)
What a sad and rather lazy piece of churnalism. The fact that you couldn't be bothered to think past a supposedly sarcastic remark about a World War 2 pilot demeans you more than anything else. Im sure the members of that generation are now so happy that they fought the war and sacrificed themselves in great numbers just for the sake of your sneering. As someone you works in a profession that should cherish the freedom of speech and freedom of the press, then journalists, above most others, owe a debt to people like this and not to your rather insipid, uninspiring and limp piece. I thought I reading the Mail... perhaps you should think about going to join them.
[info]fitzbrowne wrote:
Thursday, 19 November 2009 at 07:01 pm (UTC)
It is appalling enough that a journalist writing for The Independent should not know who Sir Keith Park was: it is even more appalling that she should write with such callousness after she had found out.

I would not second guess a word of Clive James brilliant rebuff of some dreadful journalism at http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/console/p004w686 . I would add however that Mary Wakefield has also offended deeply the grief still held by many who endured the horrors of war or lost or saw maimed those closest to them.

Not to know is one thing, not to care is another, but to joke that one does not care was I thought, until now, beyond anyone's moral compass.


Peter Browne
Sir Keith Park
[info]wordbandit wrote:
Friday, 20 November 2009 at 05:59 pm (UTC)
The fact you have never heard of Sir Keith Park would be depressing if you weren't writing in a national newspaper. That you are so writing is beyond belief. Whether it says more about you or your lack of education, I'm not sure, but I am sure I am not the first to point out that without Park and men and women of similar bravery and selflessness, you would not have a free press to write in. I can only hope this is your last column, and that you spend the next few years reading more, and talking and writing a lot less.
Keith Park
[info]simes1963 wrote:
Saturday, 21 November 2009 at 10:42 pm (UTC)
You silly silly woman. How simply ignorant and disrespectful. Your freedom to write such utter school girl rubbish was made possible by men like Keith Park. Shame on you.

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