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Matthew Norman: Of all the New Labour toadies, Jack Straw must be the worst

His entire career is a gruesome paradigm of the enfeeblement of Westminster politcs


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Even to so sensationally talentless a soothsayer as this one, writing hours before the big event, it seems a safe bet that the most dangerous member of the panel got away with it on Question Time last night. But then he always does, doesn't he, that slippery eel Jack Straw?

In a bewitching display of transference, the country awoke yesterday in a frenzy of concern about the perils posed to what passes as British democracy by Nick Griffin, an obnoxious creep, yes, but fundamentally a mirthless joke with the same prospects of affecting public life one iota as Andrew Neil has of being cast as the lead in a Cary Grant biopic.

Meanwhile, this newspaper devoted its front page to news of Mr Straw's latest assault on the kind of democratic principle we once regarded as sovereign, and all too few eyelids will have blinked in alarm. The Injustice Secretary's attempt to win the power to render public inquests public no more, and have them held under such blanket secrecy that even the deceased's family would be excluded, isn't merely a scandal. It is an outrage that would, in a less ovine and apathetic nation, lead to the overturning of ministerial cars and the lobbing through Whitehall windows of Molotovs.

Unusually, the fact of this one is arguably less offensive than the method. Perhaps it's just being inured to attacks on civil liberties and human rights after a dozen years under a government that cannot glance at them without sending its valet off for the hobnail boots. The list is so long and familiar (right to silence, right to trial by jury, habeas corpus, DNA storage etc, etc) that the tolerance level rises, as it does to arsenic.

This one is certainly poisonous enough. To deny the grieving their right to learn how and why a loved one died, and who was responsible, is as wickedly cynical and self-serving an aim as the reasoning behind it is transparent. The next time a family of heartbroken Brazilians come to town to hear how an unarmed relative was gunned down on the Tube, it would be spiffing for the Government to express deep regret that the demands of "national security" dictate that neither they nor media and public can hear whatever evidential crumbs the Metropolitan Police deigns to flick from its tunic. When next a British serviceperson is killed by American "friendly fire", what a relief to spare the Pentagon the trouble of refusing to assist the inquest in any way. The desire of our ally to evade embarrassment must always trump that of British nationals to win posthumous justice for next of kin. The need to protect the police from impertinent inquiries about homicides will always come a close second to the paramount need to protect spooks and ministers from insolent questioning about security fiascos of the kind that enabled the bombings of July 2005.

This much we have known for a while, so it would be faux naïf to swoon like a crudely propositioned Victorian maiden every time the pattern is confirmed. All one can do is hope, with virtually zero confidence, that David Cameron means it when he promises to reverse this foaming tide of disdain towards the rights of humble subjects.

What startles even this grizzled student of New Labour autocracy is the method Mr Straw deployed, in vain, to get this one on the statute book. Twice before he had tried, and twice been rebuffed. As recently as May, having reintroduced it back in January, he withdrew the measure from the Coroners and Justice Bill, apparently accepting that the political opposition was too fierce.

"It is clear the provisions still do not command the necessary cross-party support," he said. Within six months of that grudging admission, he elected to circumvent that opposition by burying these proposals deep within the Bill, although not deep enough to evade the prying eyes of the Lords, who soundly rejected them. In one sense, there is something pleasingly holistic about this approach. How better to pass law granting unjustifiable secrecy than by stealth? In another sense, so arrogant and blatant violation of democratic principle induces violent nausea.

But then so does that laureate of sneakiness Jack Straw. Barbara Castle, whose Blackburn seat he inherited, once said, without warmth, that she hired him as a special adviser in the mid 1970s for "his guile and low cunning", and the old girl knew her onions there.

His gift for dodging responsibility verges on genius. Time and time again the hand of censure has brushed his collar, and each time he has slipped it and vanished into the night. Over his complicity as Foreign Secretary in the rendition and subsequent torture of terrorist suspects, he escaped by the skin of his teeth. What deniability he had – and his story changed, in the most legalistic of language, after an initial blanket denial – rested entirely on being given the benefit of a gigantic doubt that he never asked the most obvious questions, or turned his deaf ear to the answers if he did. As Martin Bright wrote in the Independent on Sunday, his self-alleged lack of curiosity about the outsourced torture of British nationals is astonishing.

The man's entire career serves as a gruesome paradigm of the poverty and enfeeblement of Westminster politics. The granddaddy of the professional politician, he blazed the trail so well worn now by gliding seamlessly from leftie student activist to legal qualification to unelected adviser to MP to Cabinet member, quietly jettisoning every belief he once professed along the way to speed the journey.

The one thing we can be sure Mr Straw believes in is Mr Straw. His ambition is unquenchable. When his one serious mistake (deflecting transatlantic glory from Mr Tony Blair by cuddling up to Condi Rice) cost him the Foreign Office, he accepted humiliating demotion just to stay in the game. His transfer of allegiance from Blair to Brown, whose leadership "campaign" he managed (and hats off for winning that one), was comical in its fervency. Even now, be sure that he is scheming to position himself as the Jim Hacker compromise candidate should Labour somehow locate the energy required to ditch the PM.

Tragically, there would be worse electoral choices. As viewers doubtless observed on BBC1 last night, he is adept at promoting an image of calmly authoritative blandness, hence his comparative popularity, and a grandmaster of televisual smoothness. He is as slimy as an oil slick, and always quick to move on once he's coated the vulnerable birdies with filthy tar.

An utter disgrace to every high office he has held, Jack Straw has, typically enough, evaded the widespread loathing attracted by Blair, Brown, Mandelson, Campbell and the rest, despite being one of only three ministers to remain in the Cabinet since 1997. In an all-star team containing Pele, Maradona, Cruyff and Zidane, only the more obsessive fan would notice Patrick Vieira unflamboyantly putting in the hard work in defensive midfield.

But viscerally loathed he should be, for the damage he has done us in the cause of personal ambition, and for the damage he hopes to do yet by bringing this pernicious law back to the Commons. Perhaps in time he will be. A painful inquest into the death of New Labour approaches, and whatever Jack Straw's feelings on the matter this one will be held in public.

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Agreement...
[info]bedmanager wrote:
Thursday, 22 October 2009 at 11:20 pm (UTC)
I agree wholeheartedly - this is an odious man who would sell out his country if it meant that Jack "I'm alright" Straw would be sitting comfortably when the new owners were choosing their curtains.

An unassailable air of condescension and an arrogance beyond doubt. The sooner this disgraceful, spineless, smug and deceitful person is removed from office. All the better if he can drag Mandelson with him.

I once spotted Straw on the Tube when the Tories were in power and he was climbing the slippery slope. I thought he was a newsreader (as he had obviously been on news programs and I didn't know him well enough to make the correct link) and I was just about to blurt out something like "Aren't you that newsreader..?" when - having seen me having the temerity to speak to him in public - he stuck a hand out and said "I don't give to beggars."

That may say something about my dress sense, but I think it says more about the compassionate side of Jack Straw. A man who will not give to someone he perceives will have no benefit to him, personally.
Re: Agreement...
[info]dbr1988 wrote:
Friday, 23 October 2009 at 07:06 pm (UTC)
Jack Straw's performance was pathetic. Nick Griffin made an arse of himself and is clearly utterly reactionary and racist, but can Labour do no better than show that they're 'less bad' than the BNP? Straw played up to anti-immigrant hysteria as well as the cult of Churchill.

http://thecommune.wordpress.com/2009/10/23/question-time-did-the-straw-man-really-slay-the-griffin/
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A Large Caste
[info]pfffill wrote:
Friday, 23 October 2009 at 12:06 am (UTC)
Repulsive, and qualified only to cling to political office, Straw is as loathsome as that fat, otiose bullyboy-waiter in the public eye a few years ago, the one who was caught with his gigantic buttocks exposed.
Re: A Large Caste
[info]oomigoolies wrote:
Friday, 23 October 2009 at 06:45 am (UTC)
Eh?
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Totally right ...
[info]john_b_ellis wrote:
Friday, 23 October 2009 at 12:56 am (UTC)
I sat and watched "Question Time" earlier tonight. The audience's and the panellists' scorn and fury were turned upon Nick Griffin, who, I thought, acquitted himself poorly - evasive, shifty, yet simultaneously fawning in an ingratiating and rather greasy way. It was a bit like throwing a second century Christian to the lions, though, to put him up, not only with hostile fellow-panellists, which was inevitable, but in front of a metropolitan London audience where mutlticulturalism reigns. Hard thought it is to feel sympathy for Mr Griffin, it did occur to me that if the programme had taken place in Leeds, Leyland or Longton instead of London, he might have found more friends in front of him, if not on either side of him.

But there I was, actually feeling sympathy for Nick Griffin? Why?! The traditional English sympathy (at least, for people of my generation) for the underdog, perhaps? But when I thought about it, it wasn't that. It was a sense of pots and kettles. Nick Griffin is an odious guy leading an odious party. But what was harder to bear, given what we now know about them, was the unctuous self-righteousness of the establishment politicians to each side of him.

And above all, Straw. If ever a man personified the rancid nature of current British political life, it's this arrogant, contemptuous and contemptible ex-Trot. His extreme left convictions might be long dissipated by age, experience and the comfort of power and position, but his totalitarian instincts still appear undimmed, and he uses his lawyer's skills to even further diminish the transparency of our system and reduce the rights if ordinary people. Good to see Matthew Norman telling it how it is.

Perhaps now, while his mind's on this subject, Mr Norman might think of turning to that other lawyer, Mr Geoff Hoon - another of identical ilk, and with a similar record, though in this instance as Defence Secretary at the time of the Iraq war - and with the addition, of course, of his "three houses" expenses scandal. Though he quietly slipped into back bench obscurity after that "to spend more time with his family", and apparently, and equally unobtrusively, intends to stand down at the next election, he's another arrogant and utterly obnoxious New Labour political abomination that you just can't forget.

Condemnation from men like these makes even Nick Griffin seem (momentarily!) more sympathetic. We're really scraping the barrel as a nation if these are the sort of people we trust to govern us.

And before anyone says that we'll sweep all that away with a new Cameronian dawn, just remember why it was that people felt all that benighted optimism for Blair back in 1997. The Tories are just another facet of the problem, not some miraculous solution ...
Re: Totally right ...
[info]zugzwang43 wrote:
Friday, 23 October 2009 at 01:01 am (UTC)


Good choice " rancid"
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ABOUT as Bad as it Gets
[info]zugzwang43 wrote:
Friday, 23 October 2009 at 12:57 am (UTC)


Whenever I think of Straw- and I try really hard not to, believe me - I see every time, him, shaking hands with Robert Mugabe, who was grinning big time , and hadn't even bothered to get out of his chair . At the time, I assumed, since Straw, didn't have his glasses on, was unaware whose hand he was shaking. I have gathered since that he now sports contact lenses, so could be wrong here, and Straw could in fact see who was fratonising with, and they are in fact best of mates.

Dire. Come back Uncle Joe, all is forgiven...
War Criminal
[info]infangthief wrote:
Friday, 23 October 2009 at 01:24 am (UTC)
What is there to say.
By his deep association with NuLabour he is culpable of their war crimes.
Straw Man
[info]loftwork wrote:
Friday, 23 October 2009 at 01:54 am (UTC)
True, but inviting criticism of Straw is too easy. Like bindweed, he needs to be not merely cut back but burnt out. But he is, after all, just the primus inter pares, the most venal among venal, the most expedient among the self-obsessed. In Blair's sofa cabinet, he was the sofa.

The problem of toxic legislation wil continue until we elect a government that is actually prepared to represent the people. I have more hopes of Cameron than many, but I suspect it will take another generation before a reborn Labour emerges from the ashes of its well-earned self immolation to resume the role of the party of equality and social concern. By then proportional representation may also be on the books. But until then it appears that the major role in detoxifying the mess left by people like Straw is up to the slow, patient work of the courts.
Slimy is right...
[info]ancientoneuk wrote:
Friday, 23 October 2009 at 02:04 am (UTC)
How can a man be named Minister of Justice when his own son was slapped on the wrist for a crime that would have seen any of us humble people sent down for 10 years?

I would like to know more too about Griffin's revelation that Straw's father was sent to prison for refusing to fight and how that correlates with Straw's rather gleeful prosecutions against people that refused to deploy to Iraq for instance...

But this is the Orwellian world of New Labour, where the Minister for Justice helps his own offspring evade justice and bringing down harsh justice on everyone else, where the first Children's Commissioner is one that has been accused of assisting paedophiles evade justice, where the leaders have claimed to bask in the ligh of truth, freedom and democracy and have done everything but work for those ideals leaving a horrendous death toll abroad and a nation here in tatters through their corrupt and incompentant mismanagement of our country.

Anyone that votes for New Labour in the forthcoming election is nothing more than a damned fool... Let us hope that Labour asserts itself back to a caring and socialist party geared to putting British people first, second and third, or if they cannot they remain unelectable for a very long time.
Cross Party Group on Balanced Migration
[info]mannygoldstein wrote:
Friday, 23 October 2009 at 03:46 am (UTC)
If Jack Straw is interested in "...the necessary cross-party support" he need look no further than Farnk Field and Nicholas Soames who co-chair this group.

They propose cutting the current levels of immigration to the UK by 75%, yet he seems to have forgotten to mention this during his appearance on Question Time.

It seems the BNP are not so far from the conventional parties on this topic after all!
Re: Cross Party Group on Balanced Migration
[info]chanch5 wrote:
Friday, 23 October 2009 at 10:49 am (UTC)
Thank you, MannyGoldstein.

I've said it before but Straw bears personal responsibility for the rise of the extreme right in the UK, in initiating the 1990s government and press campaign against "bogus asylum seekers" i.e.: "how I learnt it's ok to be racist by pretending it's rational", integrating European extreme rightwing discourse into government policy and discourse, thus legitimising it in the eyes of many impressionable people in the UK.
Jack is the epitome of........
[info]thisanthat wrote:
Friday, 23 October 2009 at 03:51 am (UTC)
duplicity. He is the sum of two loathsome professions, a solicitor by trade and MP by stealth. To place him on a parallel with eel the does the eel an injustice.
true to oneself.......................
[info]rufty11 wrote:
Friday, 23 October 2009 at 04:34 am (UTC)

I remember, from my youth, a cartoon character called I think 'The Rubber Man'. He had the capacity to contort & stretch his body so that whatever drastic situation he found himself in he was able to escape. The comparison with Straw ends there for The Rubber Man had a moral code which included a love of justice & defence of the weak or oppressed.
Well said, but beware.
[info]berthadeeblues wrote:
Friday, 23 October 2009 at 05:18 am (UTC)
An excellent article, written and published in full public view. Unfortunately, too accurate. Look for criticism of this sort to be declared illegal under anti-terrorism legislation.
Straw on the Box
[info]marchmont wrote:
Friday, 23 October 2009 at 05:41 am (UTC)
I thought the BBC program with Jack Straw fronting for the Government showed modern Britain at its worst and that our commitment to freedom of speech scarcely exists. The bullies both on the platform and in the audience were as repulsive as Griffin himself. Jack Straw managed to make himself seem even more slippery when he was asked the key question: 'Can the recent successes of the BNP be explained by the misguided immigration policies of the Government?' This was so obviously true that the ZANU Justice Minister had to deny it. The Tory Baroness Warsi – the only really impressive member of the panel - dismissed Straw's fatuous denial: 'That is not an honest answer. There are real issues. We have to show to the people who voted for the BNP that we are prepared to listen and are prepared to deal with their problems.’ I think many people such as myself, with much valued Asian members already in our extended families, are still appalled by the recklessness of ZANU Labour's immigration policies and the shocking damage done to the social fabric of Britain.
Re: Straw on the Box
[info]crasyhorse666 wrote:
Friday, 23 October 2009 at 09:56 am (UTC)
Spot on my friend never in my life have I seen someone try to navigate there way around a question like that slimy toad who by the way got so lost that he would need a map and GPS to find his way back if this is one of the best labour have we are screwed.
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Totally agree
[info]exogamist wrote:
Friday, 23 October 2009 at 05:59 am (UTC)
It was a shame that there wasn't even one voice of dissent from the audience to challenge Jack Straw on his own party's shameful authoritarian record - attacking a cartoon fascist like Nick Griffin is easy. Good article Matthew Norman.
Proposed 'Legal Secrecy' in controversial deaths
[info]drmcnally wrote:
Friday, 23 October 2009 at 06:00 am (UTC)
This article provides an important insight into the workings of this Government and their ministers. For the last 12 years, we have been led by people more interested in starting wars and causing chaos and misery to ordinary citizens of this country and the world (Blair and co.); amassing personal property empires and lucrative publishing contracts for ‘family-political insights’ (the Blairs and co.) or for government insights and confidentialities by non-elected advisers (Campbell and co.); settling scores via time-wasting and energy-wasting personal feuding (PM Brown and Blair), rather than focusing on and implementing good governance for the benefit of all citizens.
This is misuse, if not downright abuse of power and an affront to ordinary people struggling to survive and keep afloat. And as for the Minister of Justice’s latest (though apparently long-wished for) stunt of keeping inquiries into controversial deaths secret, as outlined in your article, this seems to me to be the beginning of the slippery slide into the kind of complete erosion of justice which enabled the Third Reich to take such a pernicious hold and then to create mass fear amongst its citizens. Think of the tens of thousands detained, tortured and killed in cells or concentration camps by the end of 1933, and often because of their political beliefs or 'dissident' thoughts and writings. Think of the complicity of the Judges and courts.

What kind of role models are these people who are governing us? These leaders (and non-elected representatives and advisers) have wrecked our institutions through greed, over-zealous control or lack of control (depending on the personal agendas, and institutions concerned), or through botched-up privatisation on the cheap and without proper accountability or safeguards. Furthermore, they have maligned us all by ruthlessly criminalising us and other certain countries by designing and bullying through laws which completely erode our traditional values, civil rights and democratic practices (rights and duties which were first enshrined in the Magna Carta). These shocking laws allow for the snooping and snitching on us by non-regulated bodies and councils, and which view us all as suspects, if not terrorists (we have to prove we’re innocent, if they think we’re guilty by alleged act or association, and our lawyers (if we’re lucky to secure one, now that legal aid and good legal practice (without fear or favour) seem to have been eroded beyond belief) may not necessarily see the evidence against us, so cannot defend us properly). All this is happening, and has been happening in our good name. They have systematically disrespected and disempowered their own manifesto, their own MPs, Parliament, and the people. This is not a Labour Government – this is not good governance – this is the remnants of Blair’s army of self-interested, power-hugging thieves, turn-coats and crooks. It’s high time we all fought back in our own ways and got back that which has been taken away from us with such impunity.
Re: Proposed 'Legal Secrecy' in controversial deaths
[info]john_b_ellis wrote:
Friday, 23 October 2009 at 11:43 am (UTC)
"... amassing personal property empires" ..

Don't forget Hoon. Slipping away quietly shouldn't let him off the hook ...
Strawman
[info]oomigoolies wrote:
Friday, 23 October 2009 at 06:43 am (UTC)
An excellent article, Matthew, one of the very best I've read recently anywhere. Straw represents all that I viscerally hate and fear about Labour. I cannot wait to see him out of government where he can do this country no further harm with his plotting, his sail-trimming, his lies, his curtailment of freedoms, his mealy mouth. He has been one of the very worst of lying and corrupt ministers in a government which for years has blazed a trail in that regard. Barbara Castle would weep to see her beloved constituency in the hands of a vile man such as Straw.
The only criticism I can offer
[info]jamesdar wrote:
Friday, 23 October 2009 at 07:57 am (UTC)
Of this article is that there is a long queue for the title of most loathsome toady. Step forward Ed Balls, David Millipede, the revolting Hazel Blears, Peter Mandlelson (Official title: Minister without Scruple). Otherwise spot on
Re: The only criticism I can offer
[info]tonydh wrote:
Friday, 23 October 2009 at 09:03 am (UTC)
To add to the list: Cuddly Gordon [saviour of the Western World],Mrs Balls [aka Yvette Cooper ], Harriet Harperson [Minister for Wimmin], Jacqui Smith, Douglas Alexander, the other Millipede, 'Postman Pat' Johnson, Bob Ainsworthless, 'Lazarus' Hain, Berlusconi's best friend Ms Jowell, Baroness Amnesia of Scotland, and all the other assorted Lords and Ladies and unelected GOATS]........and not forgetting that well known double act Bliar and Alastair Campbell!!!
Straw
[info]tonydh wrote:
Friday, 23 October 2009 at 08:00 am (UTC)
I've read and agree wholeheartedly with the excellent article by Matt Norman and by virtually every single comment made in the Journal. Straw is an obsequious and obnoxious lying little turd, and HE [as much as Nick Griffin] was exposed for the vacuousness, deviousness, incompetence and corruption at the heart of Nu Labour last night. There are so many reasons to despise our beloved Injustice Secretary, and nearly every one has been mentioned by LJ contributors. Certainly, along with the slimy Hoon and Bliar himself he should be in the dock in The Hague on trial for war crimes. But that aside, as Griffin cleverly pointed out, the Straw family has nothing to be proud of: his father was imprisoned for refusing to fight Hitler [whereas Griffin's pa was in the RAF], his son was arrested for drug offences, and have we all forgotten that Straw's brother is a convicted sex offender??? Oh, and by the bye, have we all forgotten how he shook Mugabe's hand some years ago? It isn't only Barbara Castle who would be turning in her grave to see what a shabby and dishonourable crew Nu Labour have become!!!!
Griffin may have indeed been shown up to be a buffoon by the ethno-biased baying mob on QT last night, but he showed more courage than the odious Straw who after all acquiesced to an illegal war against a Muslim country which resulted in hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians losing their lives in the name of "freedom".
jack straw
[info]ru_kidding wrote:
Friday, 23 October 2009 at 08:09 am (UTC)
dear Matthew, excellent article with only one serious omission: the so-called Freedom Of Information Act and proud work of ace dissembler, Jack 'I'm minded not to' Straw - a gutless piece of window dressing so proscribed its a miracle anything gets out. Kind regards, Steve Parker.
Peter Hain next?
[info]billdavy1949 wrote:
Friday, 23 October 2009 at 08:54 am (UTC)
But let us not kid each other; it will go on getting worse.

At least we don't have Sarkozy putting his 23 year old son up to run a major council.

I suppose it all comes back to the failings of the party system. I would rather candidates had to have achieved something (and PPE at Oxford or working in a think tank would not count) before they can stand for election.

As it is, we have no choice but to troop down to the polling station and stick our cross next to the coloured party poodle of our "choice".
still not listening
[info]freeethinker wrote:
Friday, 23 October 2009 at 09:27 am (UTC)

excellent article.

i watched QT. and wasn't surprised by it.
the audience and the panel were loaded against griffin, he didn't have much of a chance.
pretty much any politician of any party would have struggled against that barrage.
i did notice that there seemed to be a very large number of black, asian and jewish people in there.
if that represents the ethnic mix in this country it's worse than i thought!

but, the overriding thing was jack straw. he is still not listening dammit!

he was (quite rightly) asked if he thought that labour's handling of immigration had fueled the rise of the BNP.
his answer? surprise, surprise, no, he didn't think so ! he was at his evasive best. even barroness warsi told him he was in denial.

i will state it for mr. straw: the recent success of the BNP is due entirely to the labour party's immigration policy of uncontrolled immigration and jack straw has been at the forefront of this.
Re: still not listening
[info]tonydh wrote:
Friday, 23 October 2009 at 10:17 am (UTC)
hear hear
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Oh you horrid people
[info]chouenlai wrote:
Friday, 23 October 2009 at 09:30 am (UTC)
I think you are all horrid to poor Jack. Whats wrong with a student rabble rouser and member of the communist party rising to head great offices of state. Perhaps his background gives a clue about the man. As a British Jew, his father went to prison rather than fight the vile enemy which opposed his country and was exterminating his race. Sounds like a hero.
Straw/Griggin
[info]harjitsingh wrote:
Friday, 23 October 2009 at 09:35 am (UTC)
I am saddened by Mathew's article. What ever Jack Straw is, it is Nick Griffin sghould have been written about. Jack, Warsi, Huhne all failed to nail Griffin and YOU ARE nailing Straw!! burying the filth of Griffin under your attack on Straw!!
Warsi failed to nail Griffin when he said the his father was in Royal Airforce during world war two.Hundreds of thousands of Indian troops died fighting in two world wars to sustain 'white' England.She should have brought in numbers, facts and figures, instead joined Griffin in attacking Jack and Labour over immigration.Even on that Warsi should know that it is not 'coloureds' swamping British, it is the White East Europens, which should be delight to Griffins and his likeminded English.I live in West London, my town is now virtually Polish Town.
Griffin did not choke, it was Warsi in particular who choked as did other two politicians. Only Bonnie was 'cool'. Dimbleby had no business in attacking Griffin, being the modrator
Re: Straw/Griggin
[info]chouenlai wrote:
Friday, 23 October 2009 at 11:40 am (UTC)
I fully understand why you dislike the BNP, but lets get a few facts straight shall we.
1) Jack Straw is an arsehole
2) Hundreds of thousands of Indian troops did NOT die fighting in 2 World Wars, 36,000 died in the 2nd World War
slightly fewer in the Great War. Some Indian Regts were supurb soldiers, but there is no need to over state losses.
3) "White England" with the other 2 countries and 1 principality, in the British Isles lost over 800,000 in the Great War and 330,000 in the 2nd World War. I would not critise India's contribution for any money in the world, but please do not make silly comments regarding a matter which is often bandied around based on ignorance.
4)Are you complaining about Polish immigrants? Since World War 2 is so important to you, they (the Poles, lost
6 MILLION people). The point is Poles intergrate as do a number of other immigrant populations. However some do not, and it is these which give the likes of Griffiths a peg to hang his hat on. But the main reason the BNP have gained strength is the gutless politicians, mostly Labour, who deserted the white working class in to many areas.

Further, do not forget some of the worst racism anywhere in the world is part of daily life in the Indian sub continent.

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At last
[info]undart wrote:
Friday, 23 October 2009 at 09:43 am (UTC)
Congratulations on a well written article that was long overdue.
Near the end of the programme I heard Jack Straw mention the word morality. This from a man that assured us on numerous occasions that weapons of mass destruction were in Iraq but when none were found has never had the courage to apologise to the British people.
I am always saddened by the fact that this dishonourable and dishonest man seems to escape public censure and examination. Perhaps you are right and that he will one day be exposed for what he is and the harm that he does. I can only hope that there are more articles like this by people like you who see the man for what he is.
In the meantime, well done and thank-you.
A B.N.P show
[info]chipmem1 wrote:
Friday, 23 October 2009 at 09:52 am (UTC)

There were some interesting things in question time ; the BBC is anti-English, the
alliance and support of Israel, Straws father wouldn't fight , Straws done murder
on 800,000 Iraqies ...............

Griffin looked uncomfortable but Straw , you notice, ........

didn't have any answers either. It was a case , of, slip out the back Jack.

Good Article.But rightly as some have pointed out, there's so much more that
could be said.
Matthew captures the Public's view fof Straw
[info]rhinocircus wrote:
Friday, 23 October 2009 at 10:24 am (UTC)
A correct and truthful article, by Norman, but . . .

"His gift for dodging responsibility verges on genius. Time and time again the hand of censure has brushed his collar, and each time he has slipped it and vanished into the night'.

This corrosive enigma has been let off the hook by other members of Parliament and journalists, who are able to confront Straw. It is Parliament, which is letting "democracy" down--he could not do these deeds alone.

"The man's entire career serves as a gruesome paradigm of the poverty and enfeeblement of Westminster politics".

But Parliament should not be feeble in the protection of the people's long-held rights--it can only be collusion.

"An utter disgrace to every high office he has held, Jack Straw has, typically enough, evaded the widespread loathing attracted by Blair, Brown, Mandelson, Campbell and the rest, despite being one of only three ministers to remain in the Cabinet since 1997".

Any average intelligent person in the street could pin Straw down and unravel his legalistic gobbledygook, to expose this fraud. He had the stupidity of claiming the "room was dark" when he, as then Foreign Secretary, shook the hand of the hated Mugabi. Little was made of this by the media--an intelligent person would have shamed him with taunts and belly laughs.
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