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Steve Richards: Operation Fightback is a clever idea. But signs of panic abound

Labour is re-writing the rules about how parties are meant to behave in public

Amid the thousands of words spoken and written at Labour's conference the most vivid depiction of the mood came from a normally exuberant MP who was too miserable to utter a single sentence. When I bumped into him on the seafront, he looked up, pointed to the opinion poll in yesterday's Independent, sighed despondently, and walked on in silence. The poll placed Labour at 23 per cent, a rating that makes some of its lower moments in the 1980s seem something of a triumph.

Astutely Labour's strategists have responded to the mood by admitting they are in the doldrums. "Operation Fightback" was the slogan that formed the backdrop to the conference's opening session and is the theme of several ministerial speeches. This breaks all the normal rules about how parties are meant to behave in public – revolutionary in its own tiny way. At the Conservatives' pre-election conference in 1996 John Major and others pretended to regard the terrible polls with disdain.

"The only poll that matters is the one on election day" was the upbeat cliché deployed by senior Tories then. They were following tradition. When Labour was slaughtered in the Glasgow East by-election in 1982 I recall its representative on the TV panel argue that "this result means that Michael Foot will be Prime Minister in a year's time". It is a novelty for a pre-election conference to accept more or less the situation as it is, rather than pretending all is well. They will not close this particular conference with Queen's "We Are The Champions" ringing around the hall as they did on one occasion when they were pretending to be confident in the late 1980s.

The groundbreaking strategy reminds me of a song supporters of Spurs used to sing in those distant days when the team was performing badly. The poetic words were: "We're shit...And we're sick of it". In the end the counter-intuitive anthem lifted the team, although it took around 10 years. Like some football teams Labour is more suited to the role of publicly declared underdog. The New Labour leadership looked deeply uncomfortable when they were 20 or 30 points ahead in the polls. I remember having a brief word with David Miliband at the Royal Festival Hall on the night of Labour's 1997 triumph. He said: "I am sure we will wake up in the morning to find the Conservatives have won again". Ever since, ministers from Blair and Brown downwards have behaved as if they were impostors disturbing the natural order of things in which Britain, or rather England, returns Conservative governments. They can relax. The natural order appears to be reasserting itself.

Video: Mandelson 'Labour underdogs can win'

So far Operation Fightback is having mixed results. At last there is a mighty co-ordinated attempt in Brighton to spell out the difference between their approach and the Conservatives. There is a big divide over when to cut spending and how, a significant pre-election battleground that raises issues about both judgement and values. Perhaps the contrast is too difficult to convey in accessible terms. Keynsian economics lacks populist slogans: "Even though we are in debt we must borrow more" does not equate easily with household economics and is unlikely to get them dancing in the streets. Margaret Thatcher had it easier when she declared in the early 1980s: "We did not spend more than we earned in Grantham and we will not do so as a country". It was nonsense, but accessible nonsense. I have heard Conservatives use similar words now, although Grantham itself does not get a look-in.

Still, without the accessible language every minister seems to be trying to highlight what Peter Mandelson has called the chasm. During their speeches Alistair Darling and Mandelson spent as much time on the Conservatives' policies as their own. Revealingly Darling claimed in relation to the government's response to the economic crisis that "when the history of the last year is written the country will be proud". He turned to the historians for comfort rather than the more immediate verdict of the voters.

Video: Kinnock backs Brown

While Operation Fightback is a clever idea there are signs of panic as they acknowledge the scale of the challenge. When governments are in a desperate position they tend to act desperately. The so-called policy announcements erupting around Brighton are not likely to get them or the rest of us very far. "Get the bankers!" is one common theme. I suspect the sudden, more aggressive tone is partly a damage limitation exercise. Ministers anticipate with good cause further anger from voters when the next round of bankers' bonuses are announced, packages that will be paid out as all the parties explain how they plan to cut the public sector. It is far too late, though, for the government to make this a defining theme. As the Lib Dems' Vince Cable asked at a fringe meeting in Brighton on the scope for a progressive coalition: "What has the government been doing on bonuses for the last year?" The fringe meeting revealed quite a lot of common ground between the Labour and Liberal Democrat speakers, but not on this issue.

For a government that once paid homage to bankers, and which was characteristically timid in pulling levers once it owned or partially owned several banks, there is not much mileage in shouting now.

Video: Darling 'Labour should be proud'

The silly proposal to enshrine in law Labour's pledge to reduce the deficit also highlights desperation, rather than addresses it. I can see how they got to this particular proposition: "Let's show we have a plan to reduce the deficit! Let's prove our plan is less severe than the Conservatives! Let's make a law!" New Labour has always used parliament as a public relations exercise. In 1997 quite a few bills contained polices that needed no parliamentary approval. They were taken through parliament to make an insecure government seem busier than it really was. The proposed Fiscal Responsibility Act is too transparently in the same mould. What will happen to Darling if he fails to meet his target? Will he be sent to jail?

There is a lot of talk in Brighton about whether this is the equivalent of 1996, when a long-serving government was on the verge of a colossal defeat, or 1978 when a Labour government was about to be kicked out in the midst of an economic crisis. The truth is that the past is an unreliable guide. This is not 1996 or 1978. In the late 1970s the corporatist consensus was collapsing, creating clear space for Thatcherism, an ideological tide which both reflected and shaped the hunger for a break from failed economic policies. In 1996 the Conservatives had become impossible to lead, largely over Europe.

This is different. It might be worse for the governing party. It might be better. It will not be the same. Our poll yesterday placed the Conservatives on 38 per cent, suggesting they cannot be assured of an overall majority. The outcome of the next election is still not entirely clear, as Lord Mandelson argued in a speech that briefly brought the conference to life. On the whole, though, most of those attending the conference seem to fear the worst, a fearfulness which could easily become self fulfilling. Operation Fightback has a long way to go.

s.richards@independent.co.uk

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Operation Fightback
[info]paulstpancras wrote:
Tuesday, 29 September 2009 at 12:07 am (UTC)
Labour attempts to fight back are being undermined by the 24/7 news agenda. Its record of authoritarian nanny state intervention into people's lives makes it extremely vulnerable.

Take three recent stories. The need for a £60 pound ID card irritates, annoys and disenchants many people. It is seen as an expensive waste, it will cost my family £300, and linked to a huge data base (accessible from many sources) frightens law abiding citizens about their privacy.

Secondly, coming hot on the tail of £65 police check for parents that voluntarily drive children to sports events, the two police officers harassed by Ofsted for informal childcare is a social nightmare. Looking after a close friend's child more than 2 hours a week requires Ofsted registration? A child bringing a friend home for more than two hours requires registration?

The third issue is anti-social behaviour highlighted by the appalling Coroner's Court findings in Leicestershire.

All these issues raise the public temperature and remind everyone these are failings of the nanny state. In the first two, the nanny state is demonised. In the last, it didn't work for the mother and child who died needlessly.

The first two demand massive bureaucratic resources that take time and money away from the third.

Until Labour gets the first two right, it will always fail the third.
Re: Operation Fightback
[info]dumbganda wrote:
Tuesday, 29 September 2009 at 02:11 am (UTC)
Secondly, coming hot on the tail of £65 police check for parents that voluntarily drive children to sports events, the two police officers harassed by Ofsted for informal childcare is a social nightmare. Looking after a close friend's child more than 2 hours a week requires Ofsted registration? A child bringing a friend home for more than two hours requires registration?


You hit it on the nail, What about the college student baby sitting earning a few quids to help pay her way?
Re: Operation Fightback
[info]dogsolitude_v2 wrote:
Tuesday, 29 September 2009 at 10:46 am (UTC)
"Labour attempts to fight back are being undermined by the 24/7 news agenda. Its record of authoritarian nanny state intervention into people's lives makes it extremely vulnerable"

Surely it's therefore their own 'authoritarian nanny state intervention' that's causing them the problems, not the fact that they're being reported? Would you rather such measures weren't reported on?

Has it ever occurred to Labour (or the Tories for that matter: Major wanted ID cards but swiftly shelved them, but manajed to get the Criminal Justice Act through which effectively meant that unless you live in a house you're an outlaw, thus making it almost impossible to live 'off grid' as it were) that people in England *do*not*want*to*live*in*a*surveillance*state*, with their every move monitored, filmed by CCTV, every phone call logged, every email scanned, every car journey monitored, every child's details put on a database, everyone's DNA recorded etc. etc.?

So why then, do they persist in trying to create one, by hook or by crook?

Why are they continuing to try and get this kind of legislation through?

It's not the fault of the media reporting these measures and legislation, it's the fault of these idiots who try to push it through!
How do you defend this Steve?
[info]dumbganda wrote:
Tuesday, 29 September 2009 at 01:35 am (UTC)
The silly proposal to enshrine in law Labour's pledge to reduce the deficit also highlights desperation, rather than addresses it. I can see how they got to this particular proposition: "Let's show we have a plan to reduce the deficit! Let's prove our plan is less severe than the Conservatives! Let's make a law!" New Labour has always used parliament as a public relations exercise.


Steve, when are you going to give up? This paragraph just undermines everything you have written about how great your Labour Party is and how bad Conservatives are, as though they are the government.
OPERATION FIGHT WHAT IS A DAMP SQUID:
[info]bgarvie wrote:
Tuesday, 29 September 2009 at 04:53 am (UTC)
Operation fightback is a pathetic attempt to deceive the electorate into thinking they are fit to continue in office. Nothing could be further from the truth as reflected in all the opinion polls. But the Labour Party continues to treat the ungrateful electorate with contempt. They don't like having to justify their position. However, they only have themselves to blame. Their membership has collapsed and they can't fill their convention hall. They have failed the electorate by taking them for granted in many, many ways. They have ruined our pensions, ruined our savings, ruined our jobs and ruined our economy. Blaming the world, which Brown falsly claims to have 'saved' is unacceptable, pathetic and wrong.
The electorate, especially, middle England, have been overtaxed, abused, disinfranchised and taken for granted for 12 years. They will not accept being treated as second class citizens any longer because of crazy socialist agendas. The sooner Labour are thrown into the dustbin of history the better.
How original Operation Fightback??That is the BNP party's slogan !!
[info]canukgal wrote:
Tuesday, 29 September 2009 at 06:01 am (UTC)
LABOUR IS HISTORY HURRAH 3 CHEERS

They despise the BNP but see fit to steal their slogan.

Labour are v. good at stealing that's about all they have been efficient at.

Oh and lies deceit and unethical conduct I could go on .... but why bother ??
National Maximum Wage £5.73, its the economy, stupid!
[info]do_they_get_it wrote:
Tuesday, 29 September 2009 at 06:31 am (UTC)
@bgarvie

I couldn't agree more, Labour have indeed treated the electorate with contempt. We now have a National Maximum Wage of £5.73 because there are so many legal and illegal migrant workers that employers can pay what ever they feel like and that Includes Baroness Scotland. Union membership that they vaunted as a major step forward is probably lower now than it has been for a long time. They have produced piles of new laws but not a single new law that would stop them from scoffing on THEIR EXPENSES. They have now produced proposals for reform that are so watered down that it will be ineffectual but then that's what they want. Just taking the electorate for suckers again!!

We need jobs but I've just finished working on a building project in London were all the plasterers and decorators were Polish. All the cleaners were Brazilian etc. What other country goes out of its way put its own nationals on the Dole??? Imbeciles, could a doctor not just section them under the Mental Health Act so we can them out now? Go on, just do it, please!
Re: National Maximum Wage £5.73, its the economy, stupid!
[info]marlinspike2009 wrote:
Tuesday, 29 September 2009 at 01:05 pm (UTC)
"What other country goes out of its way put its own nationals on the Dole???"

This country hasn't gone out of its way too much.

Much of this country is bone idle, full of entitlement, and thinks the world owes them a living.

With the arrival of the friendly and industrious Eastern Europeans, and no support from Labour, they are starting to understand that they better buck up their ideas pronto, or back to the days of the workhouse.
Let me count how many men I have in my army, 1
[info]famulla wrote:
Tuesday, 29 September 2009 at 07:20 am (UTC)
Let me count how many men I have in my army, who is feeding them, how many children, who has the arrows, spear and if these are short, sharp or long and blunt. If not I am not going to hunt even a zebra. There is called strategy and Churchill had this. Alas, what a fight we had. Now?
Rover what Rover my sons are changing the regions. Cars then we have the Charity attacks authorities for 'betraying' family; Home Secretary: 'Police have hard lessons to learn' part 1
Wars and trade wars and Gossips are every good on Tuesday, September 29, 2009 I look forward to my half salary
You put me at total loss when you talk of Chinese toys and shoes that come from India. The fact is like so.
We do not have to give any one a protection of the pared shoes. Listen, I had one white shoe and one black shoe when last I went to the funeral. The Bride told me, ?You have one white and other black? I told her, ?Funny. I have same type at home but thank you. You see I am wearing black because of the funeral. Then I am coming for your wedding so I need white. These are specially made by the Iraqi show thrower who chucked the shoe and said, ?I did this for my mother land. He is now a millionaire while you say you want to go there. Shoemakers seek protection as retailers call for change in Brussels?and on Iraq all are very happy now read on
Bachmann's foreign policy expertise makes Sarah Palin look like Henry Kissinger (and, to be fair to Palin, the former Alaskan governor reportedly made a reasonably good fist of an address to businessmen in Hong Kong earlier this month).
After a trip to Iraq in 2007, Bachmann appeared most struck not by the status of the American military campaign or the suffering of the Iraqi people but by the size of Saddam Hussein?s palace. "It's absolutely huge," she enthused. "I turned to my colleagues and said there's a commonality with the Mall of America, in that it's on that proportion."
You, you want to go to Brussels or Iraq. There is money in Iraq. Let me know by today so I can change the British Airway seats, as they want the extra fare for the seat numbers. Lo, these people know how to screw.
I thank you
Firozali A. Mulla
Re: Let me count how many men I have in my army, 1
[info]freethinkin wrote:
Tuesday, 29 September 2009 at 10:20 am (UTC)
u mad?
Let me count how many men I have in my army, 2
[info]famulla wrote:
Tuesday, 29 September 2009 at 07:22 am (UTC)
US prosecutors say they are finding juries amenable and attentive to cases involving fraud or tax evasion - "especially in these tough economic times."
sir I read and re-read the above and my son told me, ?but dad this is from 1934 that we are having problems with the tax and building It is just from 2008 the building have little break up in marriages with tax. But tax, No it always is a problem goes up goes up. You go down still the relatives pay the taxes on the hymns in the churches, the coffin, the estates and the cars hire the band that plays sad violin music and goes to play tango next door.
?Tax ?
The recession has hit middle-income and poor families hardest, widening the economic gap between the richest and poorest Americans as rippling job layoffs ravaged household budgets
This appears in the entertainment column, why?
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090928/ap_on_en_ot/us_books_palin;_ylt=Aq2svpKyAo40YrULjANtFPRvzwcF;_ylu=X3oDMTJqbHRzamJtBGFzc2V0A2FwLzIwMDkwOTI4L3VzX2Jvb2tzX3BhbGluBGNwb3MDNARwb3MDMQRzZWMDeW5faGVhZGxpbmVfbGlzdARzbGsDcGFsaW5maW5pc2hl

Religious life won't be the same after downturn
By RACHEL ZOLL, AP Religion Writer Rachel Zoll, Ap Religion Writer Mon Sep 28, 7:11 pm ET
NEW YORK ? Organized religion was already in trouble before the fall of 2008. Denominations were stagnating or shrinking, and congregations across faith groups were fretting about their finances.
The Great Recession made things worse.
It's further drained the financial resources of many congregations, seminaries and religious day schools. Some congregations have disappeared and schools have been closed. In areas hit hardest by the recession, worshippers have moved away to find jobs, leaving those who remain to minister to communities struggling with rising home foreclosures, unemployment and uncertainty.
Religion has a long history of drawing hope out of suffering, but there's little good news emerging from the recession. Long after the economy improves, the changes made today will have a profound effect on how people practice their faith, where they turn for help in times of stress and how they pass their beliefs to their children.
"In 2010, I think we're going to see 10 or 15 percent of congregations saying they're in serious financial trouble," says David Roozen, a lead researcher for the Faith Communities Today multi-faith survey, which measures congregational health annually. "With around 320,000 or 350,000 congregations, that's a hell of a lot of them."
I thank you
Firozali A. Mulla

Re: Let me count how many men I have in my army, 2
[info]freethinkin wrote:
Tuesday, 29 September 2009 at 10:20 am (UTC)
I like you. Will you be my friend?
WARS HERE WARS THERE WARS WHERE IS PEACE
[info]famulla wrote:
Tuesday, 29 September 2009 at 07:23 am (UTC)
Are you guilty of any of these five things?
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I thank you
Firozali A. Mulla
Re: WARS HERE WARS THERE WARS WHERE IS PEACE
[info]freethinkin wrote:
Tuesday, 29 September 2009 at 10:21 am (UTC)
are you from the moon?
The books that the world calls immoral are books that show the world its own shame. -Oscar Wilde,
[info]famulla wrote:
Tuesday, 29 September 2009 at 07:24 am (UTC)
May be the right word is
antipodal
PRONUNCIATION:
(an-TIP-uh-duhl)
MEANING:
adjective
1. Situated on the opposite side of the earth (or another body).
2. Diametrically opposite or completely opposite.
ETYMOLOGY:
Via Latin from Greek antipodes (literally, those having the feet opposite), plural of antipous, from anti- (opposite) + pous (foot). Ultimately from the Indo-European root ped- (foot) which gave us peccadillo (alluding to a stumble or fall), pedal, impeccable, podium, octopus, and impeach.
USAGE:
"Paris was the starting point and the antipodal points I had to pass through were Madrid and Wellington."
Brian McIver; Ukraine to USA: the World is Just Too Vast to Grasp at 13mph; Daily Record (Glasgow, Scotland); May 16, 2009.
"The antipodal views between Stephan and Yanik regarding how to fight against their common enemy makes for the crux of the play. Stephan is headstrong and vocal while Yanik is soft-person, loving, and peaceful, although both fight against the oppression."
Justice in the Barrel; The Kathmandu Post (Nepal); Feb 2, 2009.
A THOUGHT FOR TODAY:
The books that the world calls immoral are books that show the world its own shame. -Oscar Wilde, writer (1854-1900)
President?s supposed disclosure about another Iranian nuclear facility was horribly reminiscent of Colin Powell and Iraq, says Alexander Cockburn
I thank you
Firozali A. Mulla

Re: The books that the world calls immoral are books that show the world its own shame. -Oscar Wilde
[info]freethinkin wrote:
Tuesday, 29 September 2009 at 10:22 am (UTC)
u mad?
Re: The books that the world calls immoral are books that show the world its own shame. -Oscar Wilde
[info]dogsolitude_v2 wrote:
Tuesday, 29 September 2009 at 10:38 am (UTC)
Oh dear!

Firozali A. Mulla, or 'famulla' has been on here for yonks now, making sometimes cryptic, somewhat idiosyncratic posts.

Every now and then someone comes along who just 'doesn't get it'. You sir, are the latest 'that person'!

Zing! :)
Re: The books that the world calls immoral are books that show the world its own shame. -Oscar Wilde
[info]freethinkin wrote:
Tuesday, 29 September 2009 at 07:30 pm (UTC)
every now and then? really?
Re: The books that the world calls immoral are books that show the world its own shame. -Oscar Wilde
[info]famulla wrote:
Tuesday, 29 September 2009 at 12:01 pm (UTC)
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STOP your dirty habits of talking with your pennis read first
WHY DO UK THINK THEY ARE THE ONLY ONES EDUCATED NO WONDER YOU ARE GOING DOWN IN ECONOMICS AND POLITICS WILL YOU NOW SHUT UP AND READ
I thank you
Firozali A. Mulla

I thank you
Firozali A. Mulla
Re: The books that the world calls immoral are books that show the world its own shame. -Oscar Wilde
[info]marlinspike2009 wrote:
Tuesday, 29 September 2009 at 01:07 pm (UTC)
"WILL YOU NOW SHUT UP AND READ "

I would, but reading anything you write is a waste of valuable seconds of my life.

Please just go away and take your idiocy where it might be appreciated. The local asylum perhaps. Don't forget to check in.
Re: The books that the world calls immoral are books that show the world its own shame. -Oscar Wilde
[info]famulla wrote:
Tuesday, 29 September 2009 at 02:21 pm (UTC)
Where is the machine to punch in and ou in and out in and out in and out you are out I am going Happy? BUT THE FCAT IS
WHY DO UK THINK THEY ARE THE ONLY ONES EDUCATED NO WONDER YOU ARE GOING DOWN IN ECONOMICS AND POLITICS WILL YOU NOW SHUT UP AND READ
I thank you
Firozali A. Mulla
Operation Fightback
[info]sarah_wiltshire wrote:
Tuesday, 29 September 2009 at 07:39 am (UTC)
"..........most of us attending the conference seem to fear the worst". What does this mean, Mr Richards? Fear the worst that Labour will lose and the Tories get in. Surely you cannot possibly want this degraded and deplorable Government to get a further 5 year term. What further destruction will be wrought? Whilst we have no idea what Cameron and Co. can do, surely with his team it cannot be any worse? Otherwise we are left with the Postman. the Milliband Bros., Straw, Harman, the MOD joker and the rest of the pathetic Cabinet, some of whom, seem hardly literate. And of course I cannot forget the dreadful Mr & Mrs Balls (or should that be Mr & Mrs Cooper). IMO the latter two illustrate the spite, jealousy and nastiness that runs through the Labour Party.
Re: Operation Fightback
[info]marlinspike2009 wrote:
Tuesday, 29 September 2009 at 01:11 pm (UTC)
"Surely you cannot possibly want this degraded and deplorable Government to get a further 5 year term"

This is Steve Richards.

He'd vote for a goat with a red rosette on.

The only question that remains is - why do the independent employ such cretins who cannot take a balanced view on anything?

I suspect we'll see the likes of Steve and Michael White in the House of Lords before long.
Get this one straight, Steve
[info]dumbganda wrote:
Tuesday, 29 September 2009 at 08:49 am (UTC)
After 12 years, Labour actually has to legislate to half the budget deficit in 5 years time. That is open admission that they had completely lost control of the fiscal management. It may not look like that for you Steve, but it does to everyone else in the country. Tories charged them as fiscally irresponsible, and Darling had confessed, a voluntary confession, down to the t, signed, witnessed sealed and delivered.
Re writing rules
[info]pilsden wrote:
Tuesday, 29 September 2009 at 08:50 am (UTC)
Sums up new labour the answer to every problem it is someone else's fault and we will pass laws often unworkable.
It is a bit like the banking issue it is very difficult to legislate for everything (see tax avoidance) what you need is effective application.
Please stop making economic judgement or at least if you are, quote the whole theory not just the new labour bit.The govt created a structural deficit at the time of growth so making the fiscal stimulus available almost token.The Governor of the Bank of E stated at the treasury committee the Uk recovery was due to ,the end of destocking ,the fall in sterling and extraordinay monetary policy.No mention of fiscal policy.
Finally waste is waste there is no such thing as good waste and borrowing to pay for waste is the height of stupidity.
Re: Re writing rules
[info]dumbganda wrote:
Tuesday, 29 September 2009 at 10:19 am (UTC)
The economy is in such dire strait even the effect of QE is in doubt. Merevyn King wanted 200billion but was voted down by the Committee. It was concerned further easing would damage the monetary system and the economy. This was reported in the FT, no friend of the Tories. If only people like Steve Richards, Polly Toynbee et al can read a little more than Labour propaganda, they might be able to wirte something a little more relevant, and credible.
Yesterdays News
[info]kingharold wrote:
Tuesday, 29 September 2009 at 10:13 am (UTC)
The Poll, I mean come on, allthough I am on the other side Steve, I follow these thing with great interest and I have seen somthing very similar in other polls for weeks and weeks. Here was the "Independent" trying to sell it as a major Labour recovery. Frankly, I very much doubt Labour will gain even a tempory lift in the polls from this conference.
I would very much like to know how Comres couched the questions, because it is not very long ago, the Times I think it was, polled a majority view point that whoever led Labour the party was doomed.

I can understand you feel its your duty to fight what you see as the good fight. So trash my party, show a picture of George Osbourn with a sheep, but please, no more Labour recoveries, unless pigs take to the air and there is one.
governments from hell
[info]vhawk1951 wrote:
Tuesday, 29 September 2009 at 10:23 am (UTC)


forget neighbours,thank God we have powers to deal with governments from hell like Zanulabour; come June we can impose an APBO on Zanulabour; it's an anti patriotic behaviour order
If every MP is now an opposition politician who is running the government?
[info]muckle10 wrote:
Tuesday, 29 September 2009 at 10:34 am (UTC)
No one!
not a fightback but a re-alignment
[info]truewit wrote:
Tuesday, 29 September 2009 at 10:40 am (UTC)
Interesting that you should choose the late 70s and mid 90s but rather overlook the early twentieth century when the Liberals imploded and Labour emerged. If yesterday's poll is taken in conjnction with the recent one in the FT then what we are looking at is a re-alignment on that scale. The Tories will take seats from Labour and the Liberals in the south and midlands; the Tories and Liberals will take seats from Labour in the north. Post the election Cameron will reduce the number of seats and Labour's inbuilt advantage of smaller electorates in Scotland and Wales will disappear. There is a very real chance that the Liberal Democrats will be the second party in England, and Labour will become a rump party. Brown has destroyed an awful lot more than his reputation; he is very close to doing what even Michael Foot could not manage ... destroying his party.
Re: not a fightback but a re-alignment
[info]marlinspike2009 wrote:
Tuesday, 29 September 2009 at 01:08 pm (UTC)
I'll bring the champagne, you bring the canapes.
Re-writing the rules?
[info]gs_svejk wrote:
Tuesday, 29 September 2009 at 10:51 am (UTC)
They do an awful lot of that, granted. But in this instance it looks more like chaos......
Spurs playing well?
[info]marlinspike2009 wrote:
Tuesday, 29 September 2009 at 01:02 pm (UTC)
"The groundbreaking strategy reminds me of a song supporters of Spurs used to sing in those distant days when the team was performing badly."

Like Labour's demise, the days when Spurs performed badly are not as distant as you might like Steve.
The troubles with New Labour are...
[info]whostoletyke wrote:
Tuesday, 29 September 2009 at 02:09 pm (UTC)
New Labour has spent so much time lying to the electorate and bigging itself up that we cannot believe anything they say any more. For years we have listened to that great ham actor, Tony Blair, with his instantly available grin available at the flick of some crazed internal switch. With oratory like his, who cared about the truth? Certainly not Labour MPs who sat on their green benches like lemons and sucked up all the duplicity, relying on the Gauleiters, the whips, to tell them how to vote.

Haven't we been here before with Labour governments that have created a massive SNAFU in the running of Britain, having been given, by the voters, the benefit of the doubt yet again? Don't we ever learn our lesson? In 1945 Labour was THE party to support. Within five years the country was disillusioned. Further Labour governments followed afterwards, but every one seems to have ended in some sort of fiasco or crisis. This current one is, of course, the worst of the lot. Probably a lot worse, it will transpire in due course, than any government before it, certainly for a couple of centuries. Since the war, this has certainly been the first government that is now teetering at the edge of fascism with its constant ratcheting up of the belligerent and punitive surveillance state in all walks of life, distrusting every single member of the public and treating every human interaction with suspicion.

The best course of action for New Labour now would be to recognise the chaos, the broken Britain, the discontent, the shambolic society it is now leaving behind and call an election next week so as to put the country out of its misery. It might thus even retain a tiny bit of honour in its tacit confession of incompetence.
Re: The troubles with New Labour are...
[info]puxavida wrote:
Tuesday, 29 September 2009 at 07:47 pm (UTC)
OPERATION DISBELIEF

Greetings from an expat in very distant Belgium. First of all, who is Firozali A. Mulla? Is he a New Labour speechwriter or someone who has wandered in from the former Red Dwarf series?

My questioni is how many of you voted three times for the Blair/Brown disaster machine? i must admit voting for Labour in 1997 and repented exactly three months later during their incipient misrule period. Alas, where has our fabled commonsense and pragmatism gone.
Cheers
Tony
'History will prove us right'
[info]jaded63 wrote:
Tuesday, 29 September 2009 at 10:45 pm (UTC)
Interesting point there, about Darling saying that history would prove Nu Lab right. This is perhaps the first reprise of the Tories theme with regard to Suez - 'History will prove us right' was exactly what they said about Suez, and I remember the words being recited by a local Tory bigwig at an election rally in Dover Town Hall in 1959.

Well, it is now 52 years since Suez, and the verdict of history as regards the Suez operation and the Tories is as damning now as it ever was. However, believe it or not, I think that eventually history WILL agree with the necessity for that operation, which only failed because America drew the carpet out from under it. America has paid a terrible cost in blood and treasure for not buttressing British power in the Middle East in the '50s and '60s. History might also agree with Darling, eventually. But not in time to save NuLab from defeat at the next election.
Steve Richards: Operation Fightback is a clever idea. But signs of panic abound
[info]famulla wrote:
Wednesday, 30 September 2009 at 12:15 am (UTC)
SEC and we are following the same route now. Bank of America to SEC: It's the Lawyers' FaultLen Spivak SEP 29, 2009 10:00 AM How the judge's rejection of proposed settlement may impact other cases.
In a Memorandum Order dated September 14, 2009 Judge Jed Rakoff of the United States District Court for the Southern District of New York -- which includes within its borders many of the great and small financial engines of Wall Street -- definitively rejected a proposed settlement of the enforcement action brought by the SEC against Bank of America (BAC) concerning alleged misstatements in the prospectus B of A issued in connection with its $50 billion acquisition of the ailing Merrill Lynch. He ordered the parties to be ready for trial on February 1, 2010.
I thank you
Firozali A. Mulla

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