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Yasmin Alibhai-Brown: Who'd be female under Islamic law?

In Muslim states, violence against women is validated. A dark age is upon us

I am a Muslim woman and, like my late mother, free, independent, sensuous, educated, liberal, contrary and confrontational when provoked, both feminine and feminist. I style and colour my hair, wear lovely things and perfumes, appear on public platforms with men who are not related to me, shake their hands, embrace some I know well, take care of my family.

I defend Muslims persecuted by their enemies and their own kith and kin. I pray, fast, give to charity and try to be a decent human being. I also drink wine and do not lie about that, unlike so many other "good" Muslims. I am the kind of Muslim woman who maddens reactionary Muslim men and their asinine female followers. What a badge of honour.

Female oppression in Islamic countries is manifestly getting worse. Islam, as practiced by millions today, has lost its compassion and integrity and is entering one of the darkest of dark ages. Here is this month's short list of unbearable stories (imagine how many more there are which will never be known):

Iranian painter Delara Darabi, only 22 and in prison since she was 17, accused of murdering an elderly relative, was hanged last week even though she had been given a temporary stay of execution by the chief justice of the country. She phoned her mother on the day of her hanging to beg for help and the phone was snatched by a prison official who told them: "We will easily execute your daughter and there's nothing you can do about it." Her paintings reveal the cruelty to which she was subjected.

Meanwhile Roxana Saberi, a 32- year-old broadcast journalist whose father is Iranian, is incarcerated in Tehran's Evin prison, accused of spying for the US. She denies this and says she has been framed because she was seen buying a bottle of wine. This intelligent, beautiful and defiant woman is on hunger strike. Over in Saudi Arabia, an eight-year-old child has just divorced a 50-year-old man. Her father, no doubt a very devout man, sold his daughter for about £9,000.

I have been reading Disfigured, the story of Rania Al-Baz, a Saudi TV anchor, the first woman to have such a job, who was so badly beaten up by her abusive husband that she had to have 13 operations to re-make her once gorgeous face. Domestic violence destroys females in all countries, but in Muslim states, it is validated by laws and values. As Al-Baz writes, "It is appalling to realise that a woman cannot walk down the street without men staring at her openly. For them she is nothing but a body without a mind, something that moves and does not think. Women are banned from studying law, from civil engineering and from the sacrosanct area of oil."

Small optimistic signs do periodically appear in this harsh desert, says Quanta A Ahmed, a doctor who worked in Saudi Arabia and then wrote her account, In the Land of Invisible Women. She describes the love she finds between some husbands and wives, idealists who think better rights will come one day.

That faith in the future is echoed by Norah al-Faiz, the Deputy Minister for Women's Education, chosen in this week's Time magazine list of the world's most influential people. They hope because they must, I guess, even though they can see the brute forces lining up on the horizon ready to crush them by any means necessary. This country has spread its anti-female Wahabi Islam across the globe, its second most important export after oil.

In Afghanistan Ayman Udas was a singer and songwriter who wore lipstick and appeared on TV, defying her family. She was a divorced mother of two who had remarried. Ten days after this she was shot dead, allegedly by her brothers, who must think they are upright moral upholders with places reserved in paradise. In March President Karzai gave monstrous tribal leaders what they demanded, absolute control over wives by husbands and the right to rape them on the marital bed. Protests by brave women in that country and international outrage has forced him to step back from this commitment but there is concern that he is too weak to hold out, and once again women will become the personal and political playthings of men.

Let's to Pakistan then shall we, the country that once elected a woman head of state. The divinely beautiful Swat Valley has, for reasons of political expediency, been handed over to the Taliban, and there they have blown up over a hundred schools for girls and regularly flog young females on the streets. The girls are shrouded and forbidden to scream because the female voice has the potential to arouse desire. Or pity perhaps.

I am aware that my words will help confirm the pernicious prejudices that fester in the minds of those who despise Islam. Yet to conceal or excuse the violations would be to condone and encourage them. There have been enlightened times when some Muslim civilisations honoured and cherished females. This is not one of them. Across the West – for a host of reasons – millions of Muslims are embracing backward practices. In the UK young girls – some so young that they are still in push chairs – are covered up in hijabs. Disgracefully, there are always vocal Muslim women who seek to justify honour killings, forced marriages, inequality, polygamy and childhood betrothals. Why are large numbers of Muslim men so terrorised by the female body and spirit? Why do Muslim women encourage this savage paranoia?

I look out of my study at the common and see a wife fully burkaed on a sunny day. She sits still. Her children and husband run around, laughing, playing cricket. She sits still, dead, buried, a ghost. She is complicit in her own degradation, as are countless others. Their acquiescence in a free democracy is a crime against their sisters who have no such choices in Saudi Arabia, Iran, Afghanistan and elsewhere.

Al-Baz says: "I am a disruptive presence because I give women ideas." Me too. To transgress against diehard obscurantists and their unholy rules is an inescapable sacred duty. Yet how pathetic that sounds. Progressive believers tilt at windmills driven by ferocious winds of self-righteousness. Our arms and legs weaken and we are brought to our knees. I fear there is only worse to come.

y.alibhaibrown@independent.co.uk

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First paragraph. Frighteningly defensive?
[info]kodak321 wrote:
Monday, 4 May 2009 at 12:08 am (UTC)
Well, well. Are we going native? Still, you had to add "Islam, as practiced by millions today, has lost its compassion and integrity and is entering one of the darkest of dark ages." Always been in the dark ages? Darkest of dark ages, an enlightening description...never an enlightened time? Compassion and integrity in the past? Big whoops there. Still, I'll give you credit for a sincere approach to Islamic practice (law?), and where this country is leading itself. You can see it. Why can't our non-Muslim liberal elite? Numbers....sheer numbers??
Re: First paragraph. Frighteningly defensive?
[info]cronyblatcher wrote:
Monday, 4 May 2009 at 06:48 am (UTC)
These characteristics are included among those that made the ghettoised 'muslim' (enabled and actively promoted by a privatised immigration industry and tax spending to promote oxymoronic 'multicultural society') the perfect replacement for a much more prosaic 'IRA' as a cattle prod. If you are going to loot (or aid and abet looting of) the natural resources and family silver of a significant State whose population can read and write, you prudently engineer a fractured society in which people are too busy bitching among themselves to focus on their parasites

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yTbdnNgqfs8
Plunge the knife deep in his heart
[info]jl3793 wrote:
Monday, 4 May 2009 at 12:18 am (UTC)
It is a long terrible battle where many will be maimed, killed, disfigured, dismembered and discouraged. But I say to any woman - just pick up the kitchen knife some night and plunge it deep in his heart. Can the punishment be any worse than what is being done now?
Re: Plunge the knife deep in his heart
[info]helenokeeffe wrote:
Monday, 4 May 2009 at 01:41 pm (UTC)
Most unhelpful; if some man has brought you to this you need to seek professional input, not incite murder.
Point kinda made
[info]kodak321 wrote:
Monday, 4 May 2009 at 12:29 am (UTC)
Err...perhaps discouraged, maimed, disfigured, killed and dismembered would be a more logical approach. Still you have a point.
Misguided
[info]yorkshire111 wrote:
Monday, 4 May 2009 at 12:57 am (UTC)
Dear Madam,

None of your Example is from "a decent Muslim or Islam" at all. Your examples are from tradition of Iran and Saudi. Please do not misguid people about Islam or Muslims. Further, you stated that you are a Muslim Woman, but also you stated that you are not obeying your Book which prevents dringking Wine. Therefore, you are not a good example nither too.

Yours
Re: Misguided
[info]oomigoolies wrote:
Monday, 4 May 2009 at 09:23 am (UTC)
Jackass.
Re: Misguided - [info]chrisp666 - Monday, 4 May 2009 at 11:16 am (UTC) Expand
Re: Misguided - [info]ammourra - Monday, 4 May 2009 at 08:48 pm (UTC) Expand
Re: Pious hypocrisy - [info]ourtone69 - Tuesday, 5 May 2009 at 02:52 pm (UTC) Expand
Misguided
[info]yorkshire111 wrote:
Monday, 4 May 2009 at 01:05 am (UTC)
Dear Madam,
Once again you try to misguid the reader on Islam and Muslims. There is not any legal or direct relationship between Iranian Judical practice and Saudi Husban Wife relationship with Islam. Every day, many western women are beaten by their partners and husbands. Do you think of that they do because their religion forcing them to do so!
Please be wiseable when you speak about Iran and Islam, there is not direct link with it. Secondly, we do need to see a decent muslim, who truly obey the God and practice Islam accordingly. Unfortunatelly, there are millions who claim that they are Muslims in Culturaly like you who drink wine and still tell that presenting Islam which is one of firbiddent action in the Qur'an. Please before writing anyting about Islam and Muslims, first look at yourself whether you are representing any Islamic teaching or as you stated that you are contrary on your believe and action as those your examples.

Re: Misguided
[info]oomigoolies wrote:
Monday, 4 May 2009 at 09:26 am (UTC)
Total jackass.

Or hog.

Re: Misguided - [info]ssadat - Monday, 4 May 2009 at 05:14 pm (UTC) Expand
[info]daisy1967 wrote:
Monday, 4 May 2009 at 01:36 am (UTC)
Islam seems to be the preserve of feeble minded males who are scared witless of females in general ..

Sitting in a park with your head covered in a black sack while your husband plays with the children...?? This is only a miniscule thing in the litany of insults to women in the Islamic shpere but it speaks volumes I think...

One of the pious coments above say that you cant be a good muslim because you enjoy a glass of whine... So typical... sweat the insignificant stuff and ignore the disgusting things happening day in and day out drectly in the name of your faith....

Bring on the Islamic enlightenment.... SOON...!!
[info]vuuren wrote:
Monday, 4 May 2009 at 11:40 am (UTC)
Feeble men - Yeah - scared of woman - Yeah - they should be - the woman should form an army and fight the Taliban etc - see who cries then -
Misguided - [info]jo6180339887 - Monday, 4 May 2009 at 04:12 pm (UTC) Expand
(no subject) - [info]jayoosi - Monday, 4 May 2009 at 12:11 pm (UTC) Expand
(no subject) - [info]jayoosi - Monday, 4 May 2009 at 12:14 pm (UTC) Expand
(no subject) - [info]ourtone69 - Tuesday, 5 May 2009 at 04:00 pm (UTC) Expand
Modest pioneer
[info]floppsiefrog wrote:
Monday, 4 May 2009 at 02:13 am (UTC)
Well done. You need a good agent and more exposure to preach enlightenment in the Middle East and beyond.
Brave words Yasmin!
[info]shegelu wrote:
Monday, 4 May 2009 at 02:15 am (UTC)
Whether yr views are right or wrong, it takes some guts to stand up & shout in the no mans land between the Islamophobes and Fundamentalists.
Auntie Tom
[info]crispin_waugh wrote:
Monday, 4 May 2009 at 02:37 am (UTC)
Madam, you are a scathing hypocrite. Your whole article seethes of your loathing and hatred of Islam.. Your family background is Isma'ili, who broke away from Islam centuries ago, so do not try to justify you so-called Islamic credentials: you have none. You and your mother are/were just desperate natives trying to be British. You only have freedom to have your ravings published because the British press is so overtly, anti-Islam. See how far you'd get if you were pro-Islam. Thank God people like you are not.

After so many years of living in Blighty, have you not yet realised what the British hate more than anything? A self-hater...
Re: Auntie Tom
[info]mejaflora wrote:
Monday, 4 May 2009 at 10:58 am (UTC)
Agreed 150%. Islam is a way of life. And if you live the life of a westerner, u have decided not to be part of Islam. It's not a definition, not just a faith. It's not even a defense or an offense. It's always misunderstood even by Muslims. But for those who follow (not blindly but because they understand why), who believe, then that is a true Muslim.
Yorkshiremen (111). Don't you just lov 'em
[info]kodak321 wrote:
Monday, 4 May 2009 at 02:41 am (UTC)
Well old misguided, not a happy chappy in Yorkshire? Is it the weather or just your general distaste for British ways, British people (we do like a drink you know), or simply our willingness to question authoritarian, dictatorial types? Nice to know you enjoy living here and will, no doubt integrate, as so many political commentators tell us so. Just a tiny chance you might be going back to your home Country?..... Country of origin?.... where you culturally...well...ethnically....and religiously (can't discount that one, can I?), belong?

Thought not.
Re: Yorkshiremen (111). Don't you just lov 'em
[info]kuma2000 wrote:
Monday, 4 May 2009 at 09:44 am (UTC)
Of course he is going back, he is booked on a terrorist training course next week!
Re: Yorkshiremen (111). Don't you just lov 'em - [info]iggy2110 - Tuesday, 5 May 2009 at 08:00 am (UTC) Expand
Re: Yorkshiremen (111). Don't you just lov 'em - [info]bradfordistan - Tuesday, 5 May 2009 at 04:26 am (UTC) Expand
How about Secularism?
[info]chesscheckers wrote:
Monday, 4 May 2009 at 02:41 am (UTC)
In this modern age, it is amazing that majority of the people still believe in archaic rules created by ancient egotistical men. I think that religion should not have any role in government.

Regarding the aforementioned countries, the imposition of the Islamic laws in most of the countries is by force. In this context, the Iranians resent the religious laws and they despise their leaders more than anything else in the world. In fact, the present Iranian government is an embarrassment to the Iranian culture and heritage.
Re: How about Secularism?
[info]floppsiefrog wrote:
Monday, 4 May 2009 at 03:14 am (UTC)
Quite right. Indeed this should be a membership qualification of the UN.
yasmin there are very few muslims,christians,jewish,hindu,sikh and other religious ppl in the world
[info]maradona_786 wrote:
Monday, 4 May 2009 at 03:14 am (UTC)
i have to say in my life experiance in meeting folk from all backgrounds and religions i can honestly say many of the people like yasmin who claim to be muslim are not a i have only met very few people from all the diffrent faiths who practice there religion correctly and live there life peacefully most people do not practice there religion properly and live a very simple life and help others most just use the name of religion and god to suit there own agenda its the same the world over that is why i respect all religions and not the people who claim they are something there not its only the minority that i have huge admiration for as they just go about there business in life and follow the path of god
786. Oh dear!
[info]kodak321 wrote:
Monday, 4 May 2009 at 03:32 am (UTC)
Maradona. Of course your right. However, if you lived under Islamic rule, you'd be up for a good stoning (sorry, not the kind your thinking of), tomorrow. Apostate rules I'm afraid. Still, give it a go!
Re: 786. Oh dear!
[info]maradona_786 wrote:
Monday, 4 May 2009 at 03:52 am (UTC)
kodak321 there is only one rule in this world and that is gods rule no matter what religion you belong to there is only one god as for this islamic rule it does not exist its a group of people like any goverment in power who abuse there position and try to dictate there own agenda on the people and use gods name and religion in the process these are power hungary people who do not practice religion in its true form like i said ihave only ever met a minority of folk from all diffrent backgrounds who live there life properly the majority who say they are muslim,christan,hindu,sikh and any other are not and never will be that is my experiance
Re: 786. Oh dear! - [info]abs1978 - Monday, 4 May 2009 at 08:35 am (UTC) Expand
Its your choice to be a Muslim or Not
[info]truthseeeker wrote:
Monday, 4 May 2009 at 03:57 am (UTC)
"I style and colour my hair, wear lovely things and perfumes, appear on public platforms with men who are not related to me, shake their hands, embrace some I know well,(going to bed with them is also a personal choice) take care of my family."

It depends in which society you live. Can you go naked in public and if not why???? who is stopping You. You also think something good and morale for the society in which you live.

Muslims believe its the law given in Quran by Allah, who ever takes it its for his benefit and whoever reject it the harm will be on him. Many people say themself Muslim and do all that is forbidden in Islam, Like drinking Wine(as the author mentioned) taking and giving interest, does in reality they follow Islam, are they Muslim(submitting to the will of Allah)??

Further Islam is not an individual thing, (as uptil now you might be thinking that whats wrong its my life i worship and live my life according to my wish) it gives you an islamic society in which people live under the law given by quran. Same us someone Violates the constitution of UK he is punishable under law(you cant go naked in public even if you wish etc etc) will you call it barbaric or restriction of freedom.

Your article is full of portraying Muslim Women in south asian countries as held hostage by Men for thier personal benefit by highlighting a case or two. What if somebody says that christianity allows you to do incest and make an impression that whole of them are incestial people and highlight the recent case of austria?? Will it be a right impression. thier are many cases and it will go on.

The simple answer can also be that South asian women are dumbs, but why are western liberated women comming to Islam. Or is it that thier is none western women who have accepted Islam and living her life under hijab.
Re: Its your choice to be a Muslim or Not
[info]hrlawyer wrote:
Friday, 8 May 2009 at 07:38 pm (UTC)
One of the main differences between the case in Austria and the oppression of the women in south Asia is the fact that the Austrian man is being prosecuted for his actions, because it's not acceptable behaviour.... So you can't really compare the two.
Mara - Just convert. Easy
[info]kodak321 wrote:
Monday, 4 May 2009 at 04:10 am (UTC)
Yeah, but the religion in question? Even Muslim scholars find it difficult to dispute Allah was married to a young girl of 6-7 years of age, and bedded her at 9 nine years old. Hope you follow (your kids included), in the tradition. You really need to convert.
Re: Mara - Just convert. Easy
[info]maradona_786 wrote:
Monday, 4 May 2009 at 04:30 am (UTC)
kodak321 its not a question of converting its about the truth and seeking it that is what life is all about the answers are there in front of us all you just have to look and find the the meaning of life whatever you choose be true to yourself it does not have to be religion just remember whatever you path you choose its only the small minority who live there life with great honesty and they exist in all walks of life
Re: Mara - Just convert. Easy - [info]chesscheckers - Monday, 4 May 2009 at 05:04 am (UTC) Expand
Re: Mara - Just convert. Easy - [info]maradona_786 - Monday, 4 May 2009 at 05:28 am (UTC) Expand
Re: Mara - Just convert. Easy - [info]chesscheckers - Monday, 4 May 2009 at 05:44 am (UTC) Expand
Re: Mara - Just convert. Easy - [info]drug_baron - Monday, 4 May 2009 at 07:43 am (UTC) Expand
Who'd be female under Islamic Law
[info]alykhanmsatchu wrote:
Monday, 4 May 2009 at 04:39 am (UTC)
In answer to your question,

No one in their right mind.

I have three Daughters and I know this. The Islamic World cannot compete in the c21st world if it effectively neuters 50% of its Human Capital. It will wither on the vine. The oxygen for Extremism is a lack of opportunity and security. Lets create some opportunity and hope. Those brave Women who marched in Kabul are the Future. The Men who crafted and designed the Law that sought to suppress them are the Ignoramuses.

I would urge the Secretary of State to grab the opportunity in the Islamic World.

Aly-Khan Satchu
www.rich.co.ke
south asian defenders
[info]siddistani wrote:
Monday, 4 May 2009 at 05:26 am (UTC)
shut up. Are women in south asia oppressed? YES. It's not merely Islam, it's Indian society as well. It's not Saudi or Iranian society, it's also most other Islamic societies. When a religion gives a section of society room to gruesomely impose its will upon another section, the religion should be amended or eradicated entirely. Most of you crackpots talking about "good muslims" and "bad muslims", well how petty is Allah is he or she or it is so immensely terrified of wine-drinkers? Do you really think flogging women, taking on the mantle of holy dialogue and denying the population education, music and recreation are comparable to DRINKING WINE? Are you, pardon my language, well and truly mindf***ed? I'm South Asian, male and I think we're a bloody guilty societal group. Time we manned up and began to effect some reparations for the millenia of caveman-ery we have propagated. Ditto Arabs and Persians, as well as chauvinistic pigs anywhere in the world. Just citing an Austrian deviant doesn't take away from the fact that if I had a daughter, I'd never want her to grow up in India, Indonesia, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Iran, Saudi Arabia, etc. You know which other countries feature on this list. There's a difference between society containing abusive elements and society explicitly sanctioning and encouraging abuse and cowardly exploitation. Men, man the f*** up.
Re: south asian defenders
[info]hrlawyer wrote:
Friday, 8 May 2009 at 07:49 pm (UTC)
Well put!
CV of Yasmin Alibhai-Brown, In the name of Allah, I begin?
[info]famulla wrote:
Monday, 4 May 2009 at 05:29 am (UTC)
CV of Yasmin Alibhai-Brown who is applying for the post of FIRST Woman to lead the Muslims.
In the name of Allah, I begin?
Yasmin Alibhai-Brown: Who'd be female under Islamic law?
I am a Muslim woman and, like my late mother, free, independent, sensuous, educated, liberal, contrary and confrontational when provoked, both feminine and feminist. I style and colour my hair, wear lovely things and perfumes, appear on public platforms with men who are not related to me, shake their hands, embrace some I know well, take care of my family.
I am honest I do not wear the veil as I was brought up in the secluded regions and I am a firm believer in the terrorism, I mean I hate them but they come from the Pakistan and I cannot go there to tell them not to come here.
In Muslim states, violence against women is validated. A dark age is upon us, like the global warming and the potholes in UK. The G20 meet and the police beat up the pedestrians. Who has ever heard of this? We believe in giving all the population houses in the Ice, as we have no place here. I say no more of this. Please give me the job. I will see the Gitmo open again as our prisons here are full. I will give oil to all who have bicycles and camels.
All will have education and I am going to talk to Balls to start the education at two. The compulsory age of two is good to learn the Quran and then they can take up armory and swords.
Please give the job, please I plead. Contact me at the papers c/o The editor who wants to fire me anyway.
I thank you
Firozali A. Mulla
THE WINNER OF THE POST IS WOMAN IN PAKISTAN,THANK YOU
[info]famulla wrote:
Monday, 4 May 2009 at 05:40 am (UTC)
Dear Madam.
We thank you for applying for the post. We see you have plenty to offer to us but we have many other applications from Pakistan. We feel they have the necessary weapons. You do qualify for the job however your age is a little young. We need some one in the 60s and 70 as these are not traceable. We will keep you name in the file if there is one vacancy in Afghanistan or other terror-ridden state, we will mail you, can you please keep your mobile on all the time as we have some one in London who will get in touch with you.
You have not mentioned if you have the experience in the drugs.
I am the commander of the terrors camp in Germany?Russia borders in the snow so no one can see me in the day.
ABCEWG QWERTY KEY and Mouse and BUILT IN SPEAKERS
Some interesting reading...
[info]plimfix wrote:
Monday, 4 May 2009 at 05:59 am (UTC)
An intelligent re-evaluation of traditional sources from a progressive Feminist perspective:
Kecia Ali (2006) 'Sexual Ethics in Islam: Feminist Reflections on Qur'an, Hadith, and Jurisprudence' (Oxford: Oneworld Publications) -wasalaam
Keep on saying this
[info]perfectpenny wrote:
Monday, 4 May 2009 at 06:20 am (UTC)
Another well balanced article, Yasmin. Thanks.
I need the job not a library.
[info]famulla wrote:
Monday, 4 May 2009 at 06:30 am (UTC)
Some interesting reading...Who wants to read when the unemployment looms and the bakers knock on the doors.
I thank you
Firozali A. Mulla
Re: I need the job not a library.
[info]plimfix wrote:
Monday, 4 May 2009 at 08:20 am (UTC)
The bakers? Do you have an unusually large bread bill? By the way, me old China, the single most frequently occuring word in the Qur'an is 'ilm - knowledge.
Re: I need the job not a library. - [info]famulla - Monday, 4 May 2009 at 10:05 am (UTC) Expand
Illiterate?
[info]timspooner wrote:
Monday, 4 May 2009 at 06:43 am (UTC)
Don't you people know how to spell? Surely you can give a moment to check what you have written?

I hope you don't get knifed on your doorstep Yasmin. There are nutcases around who will feel justified . Is it really worth the danger in which you put yourself ? It is up to the women involved to stand up for themselves. Very few will thank you for taking a stand for them and a lot more will hate you for reminding them about how lousy their lives are.
Re: Illiterate?
[info]hrlawyer wrote:
Friday, 8 May 2009 at 07:52 pm (UTC)
I think that danger makes it even more important to spread the message. Keeping quiet is giving in to the oppressors, IMHO
RELIGION = CONTROL
[info]georgesign wrote:
Monday, 4 May 2009 at 06:52 am (UTC)
When are all the sheep who follow religion going to wake up and realise that the BOOK they follow is just a BOOK written by people who want to control and frighten them into blind obedience. When you start thinking for yourself you do not need religion and are FREE.
Re: RELIGION = CONTROL
[info]gargoiling wrote:
Monday, 4 May 2009 at 09:06 am (UTC)
"Why are so many western women converting to Islam ?"

Because they won't be executed for apostasy.

Re: RELIGION = CONTROL - [info]corporeal4now - Monday, 4 May 2009 at 09:56 am (UTC) Expand
Re: RELIGION = CONTROL - [info]iggy2110 - Tuesday, 5 May 2009 at 08:43 am (UTC) Expand
Re: RELIGION = CONTROL - [info]corporeal4now - Tuesday, 5 May 2009 at 08:51 am (UTC) Expand
Re: RELIGION = CONTROL - [info]iggy2110 - Tuesday, 5 May 2009 at 09:05 am (UTC) Expand
I am confused
[info]drug_baron wrote:
Monday, 4 May 2009 at 07:02 am (UTC)
Why are so many western women converting to Islam ?

Is it because they wish to be oppressed ?

Why have so many British women and I mean educated British women converted to Islam, now and in the past ?

Why did women like Lady Evelyn Cobbold or Lady Buchanan-Hamilton and her husband General Charles Buchanan-Hamilton or Lady Headley and her husband Lord Headley decide to convert to Islam during a time when Islam belonged to the colonised and inferior natives of the British Empire; did they find a certain fascination in a "Barbaric Religon"; did they loose their senses; after all they were well educated and properous people living a privilaged life on their vast estates.

Did Lord Headly loose his senses completely when he stated "By adopting the teachings of Islam I consider myself by the very act, to be a far better Christian than I was before " The Times 1918.

I am sure these people did not adopt the "firebrand Islam" that the somewhat fruity Mullahs claim to be the word of God; nonetheless they all chose Islam as their faith, even insisting on an Islamic burial when the time came; I am indeed confused !!
Re: I am confused
[info]andrea_2 wrote:
Monday, 4 May 2009 at 09:00 am (UTC)
So Many? You mean two.
Re: I am confused - [info]oomigoolies - Monday, 4 May 2009 at 09:29 am (UTC) Expand
Re: I am confused - [info]huudugi - Monday, 4 May 2009 at 09:40 am (UTC) Expand
Re: I am confused - [info]sharifl - Monday, 4 May 2009 at 02:38 pm (UTC) Expand
Re: I am confused - [info]corporeal4now - Tuesday, 5 May 2009 at 08:55 am (UTC) Expand
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