Letters: Jacobson on Gaza
Jacobson and Gaza: the debate continues
Like beauty, or so it seems, anti-Semitism lies in the eye of the beholder, and Howard Jacobson is determined to see it everywhere. His attempt to associate criticism of Israel with anti-Semitism and the shades of Nazism is misplaced. The distinguished Jewish scholar, Yeshayahu Leibowitz, introduced the term “Judeo-Nazism” after the Six-Day War, an event he described as having destroyed the “moral infra-structure” of the Jewish state, predicting that, “continued occupation and oppression of the Palestinians must eventually lead to a fully fledged fascist regime inside Israel”, a prediction we are perilously close to witnessing.
Despite what Jacobson may claim, criticism of Israel is essential, for, as the social critic Isaac Deutscher said, “The ‘friends of Israel’ have in fact abetted Israel in a ruinous course”. For such apologists and religious zealots there is never a case to answer, however intolerable the actions; rather, as Avigdor Liebermann recently put it, they should despise the “weakness of the Gentiles”. Israel’s Jews have become, in Deutscher’s memorable phrase, “the Prussians of the Middle East”.
Though Jacobson makes much of the betrayal of the Holocaust, it was Israel’s Premier, Menachem Begin, who showed willing to manipulate its memory in using the analogy of the Warsaw ghetto to justify the bombing of Beirut, that the Jews would be victims no longer. And therein lies the problem: Jews were expurgating their victimhood, but against the wrong people, a people who (at first) were not their enemies, but were driven to be.
It is time for Israel and Zionists to show moral maturity and less incendiary defensiveness, to respond to justified criticism honestly rather than by continuously invoking monsters of the past or, as does Jacobson, with tawdry canards of evasive exculpation.
Dominic Kirkham
Manchester
Howard Jacobson is extremely, and may I suggest wilfully, confused. He accuses those of us who have protested about the Israeli slaughter of Palestinians of anti-Semitism. Our protest has always been aimed at the state of Israel and the Zionist ideology it rests on.
On our side, there is no confusion about Israel being a “Jewish state”. We do not see the vast wall separating Palestinians from their families and land as Jewish. Nor did we blame the dropping of thousands of cluster bombs on Lebanon as Jewish. Nor do we see the illegal occupation of the West Bank as Jewish. Nor did we decry the recent massacre of Gazans as Jewish. Nor do we see the blockading and starving of Gaza as being inherently Jewish.
All these atrocities belong to the Israeli state, and our protests are aimed at the perpetrators and their supporters here, of which the current government is the most culpable.
Howard Jacobson insists on saying that Israel is a “Jewish state”. If he was right, anti-Semitism would be highly logical and difficult to deny. If war, terror and illegal occupation occur because the perpetrators are Jews rather than Zionists, then the victims would be perfectly correct in hating their tormentors for being Jews.
Thankfully, the victims see things a little more clearly than Howard Jacobson, who, perversely, sees Israel as the victim. So here is another reason to hate Israel: they cause anti-Semitism and then blame it on us.
John Westmoreland
Doncaster, South Yorkshire
Here we go again; criticise Israel and we are immediately accused of anti-Semitism. Presumably, the only way in which we could not be accused of it would be to remain silent. But why should Israel be subject to preferential treatment among the countries of the world ?
Mr Jacobson should grow up (or stop being disingenuous). Israel’s attack on Gaza was extreme so it elicited an extreme response.
James Stevenson
Godalming, Surrey
Most of the responses to Howard Jacobson’s article serve to demonstrate how right he is. He is “accused” of supporting Israel and therefore being “one-sided”. People are not accused of being one-sided for supporting Palestinians, I think?
Those of us familar with the good old Soviet Union recognise the Left’s aversion to “incorrect thinking”, as only one opinion can possibly be right. This all does remind even a non-Zionist such as myself why Israel exists.
It is because, even in the late 19th century, it was made clear to many Jews that the people among whom they lived in Europe could not be trusted. We know what happened 50 years later. Still, it was encouraging that the people at the gym did not ignore the outburst of the distinguished Foreign Office civil servant (report, 8 February). But they probably were not enlightened Independent readers.
M Schachter
London NW6
Re: Howard Jacobson’s article. Thank you. You have articulated all that I feel as an English Jew. Thank you, thank you, thank you.
Mic Austen
Brentwood, Essex
Caryl Churchill: My play is not anti-Semitic
Howard Jacobson (Opinion, 18 February) writes as if there’s something new about describing critics of Israel as anti-Semitic. But it’s the usual tactic. We are not going to agree about politics. Where he sees the benevolent withdrawal of Israel from Gaza, I see more than 1,000 Palestinians killed by Israel since the withdrawal, before the recent attacks. But we should be able to disagree without accusations of anti-Semitism, which lead to a pantomime of, “Oh yes you are”, “Oh no I’m not”, to distract attention from Israel.
My play, Seven Jewish Children, to which Howard Jacobson referred, shows the difficulty of explaining violence to children. In the early scenes, it is violence against Jewish people; by the end, it is the violence in Gaza.
It covers many years in 10 minutes and is, of course, an incomplete history. It leaves out a great deal that is favourable to Israel and a great deal that is unfavourable. It shows people being persecuted, some of them going to a homeland (where others have been displaced) and the defensiveness of their threatened position, leading to further violence.
Howard Jacobson seems to see the play from a very particular perspective so that everything is twisted. The characters are “covert and deceitful”, they are constructing a “parallel hell” to Hitler’s Europe, they are “monsters who kill babies by design”. I don’t recognise the play from that description.
Throughout the play, families try to protect children. Finally, one of the parents explodes, saying, “No, stop preventing her from knowing what’s on the TV news”. His outburst is meant, in a small way, to shock during a shocking situation. Is it worse than a picture of Israelis dancing for joy as smoke rises over Gaza? Or the text of Rabbi Shloyo Aviner’s booklet distributed to soldiers saying cruelty is sometimes a good attribute?
Then we have “chosen people”. Some people are now uncomfortable with a phrase that can seem to suggest racial superiority. But George W Bush, speaking to the Knesset on the 60th anniversary of the founding of Israel, talked about “the homeland of the chosen people” without anyone suggesting he was accusing Israelis of racism or was anti-Semitic. Some supporters of Israel still use it with enthusiasm.
Finally, the blood libel. I find it extraordinary that, because the play talks about the killing of children in Gaza, I am accused of reviving the medieval blood libel that Jews killed Christian children and consumed their blood. The character is not “rejoicing in the murder of little children”. He sees dead children on television and feels numb and defiant in his relief that his own child is safe. He believes that what has happened is justified as self-defence. Howard Jacobson may agree. I don’t, but it doesn’t make either of them a monster, or me anti-Semitic.
If one of the main pieces of evidence for the rise of anti-Semitism is this play, I don’t think there’s much to worry about. If it’s really on the increase, then we should all stand up against it. But calling political opponents anti-Semitic just confuses the issue.
When people attack English Jews in the street saying, “This is for Gaza”, they are making a terrible mistake, confusing the people who bombed Gaza with Jews in general. When Howard Jacobson confuses those who criticise Israel with anti-Semites, he is making the same mistake. Unless he’s doing it on purpose.
Caryl Churchill
Royal Court Theatre, London SW1
Faith may not move mountains, but it can inspire
Johann Hari’s courageous stance in support of secular values and against the threats of religious bigots is exemplary (13 February). If ever an argument proved its point by the nature of the response it provoked, this is it.
But perhaps it is also important to recognise that just because religious beliefs cannot, by definition, be scientifically proven, it does not mean they may not contain important metaphorical and moral truths.
Faith may not move mountains, but it does inspire people to do amazing, as well as sometimes awful things. To dismiss all religion as superstitious nonsense, as militant atheists are wont to do, serves only to strengthen the position of fundamentalists.
There is a tradition of rational theology that welcomes doubt as a test of faith. It is to be found in Islam, as well as in Judaism and Christianity, and it needs a space to speak in the secular world.
Hari’s civil libertarianism shows admirable restraint. Unfortunately, the distinction he tries to make between showing respect for people but not for their ideas or behaviour, is not one fundamentalists recognise. He does not like speech being policed for possible offence, but there are laws against using threatening language, as there are against preaching racial hatred and homophobia. In situations where people are too intimidated to speak up in their own defence, they should be used .
Phil Cohen
London N19
Briefly...
Cold-call warning
Having filled in my details for a couple of the largest internet comparison sites, I was irritated to suddenly start receiving computerised cold-calls to my phone number. I thought I would warn people before they start to use these services; do not give your real phone number, because it seems that it will just be sold on to cold-callers.
Martin Cooper
Manchester
No secret
Those campaigning for a memorial to the Bethnal Green Underground Station disaster in March 1943 claim it was “kept secret for years” (report, 19 February). In fact, the report of the official inquiry was published in January 1945, less than two years later, and was covered by newspapers then. Hardly the long-lasting cover-up implied.
M R Stallion
Braintree, Essex
Good old advice
More than 40 years ago, our English teacher, explaining the importance of good punctuation, showed us a book in which abbreviation was indicated by a caret ('), and possession was indicated by a single inverted comma (’), saying, “It makes the meaning clearer, doesn’t it?”. It did.
Christopher Jessop
Marloes, Pembrokeshire
Same answer
Like Alan Gilchrist (letters, 17 February), I, too, when in the oil industry, once asked for a bonus of a mere one quarter of 1 per cent for each of four engineers after we brought in a multimillion-dollar contract. My boss’s answer consisted of two words with a total of seven letters, three of which were “f”. Can we please give a similar response to bankers?
Andrew Bristow
Chorley, Lancashire
Idle thought
A job description sent to me sounds too good to be true: Nottinghamshire Wildlife Trust is looking for an Idle Valley Reserve Officer.
Hugh Clearhill
Elsdon, Northumberland
Own goal
I was wondering if any of those who demonstrate in support of “British jobs for British workers” are supporters of Premiership football teams?
Grant Serpell
Maidenhead, Berkshire
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They "meant by Peace" is "Piece of land from PHORAT river in Iraq til Neil in Egypt " look and ask what is the 2 blue line in the the Israel flag ?
Jews in UK are two type one anti/with Zionist.tactical reasons.
Look from far to see !
Devil in the details ? to avoid surprises !
They "meant by Peace" is "Piece of land from PHORAT river in Iraq til Neil in Egypt " look and ask what is the 2 blue line in the the Israel flag ?
Jews in UK are two type one anti/with Zionist.tactical reasons.
Look from far to see !
Devil in the details ? to avoid surprises !
They "meant by Peace" is "Piece of land from PHORAT river in Iraq til Neil in Egypt " look and ask what is the 2 blue line in the the Israel flag ?
Jews in UK are two type one anti/with Zionist.tactical reasons.
Look from far to see !
Devil in the details ? to avoid surprises !
Some of us are on the side of Israel being safe, and palestinians being sane and stopping their war on israel and then getting a state out of it.
And then there are people like you, who just want to demonize Israel, and whitewash the actions of the most insane lunatics on the planet, palestinian fundamentalists.
You blame Israel for putting a barrier up, yet you don't blame the very cause of the need for the barrier, the fact that terrorists kept sneaking into Israel and blowing Jews up. The barrier makes it harder for them to do that. So you hate the barrier. But you aren't antisemitic?
You blame Israel for attacking Gaza, yet you don't blame gaza for firing THREE YEARS worth of rockets into Israel before Israel took military action. But you aren't antisemitic?
You blame Israel for holding onto land they won in defensive wars, yet you don't blame the Arabs who started those wars, and you don't take into consideration the fact that the people on that land refuse to declare a permanent peace with Israel... so why should Israel hand land to people who want to destroy Israel? You won't answer that. But you aren't antisemitic?
Valid criticizm of Israel is fine, but many antisemites out there who want the jewish state of israel destroyed use dishonest garbage as your excuses and just blame "zionism" when you really wouldn't care about israel at all if it wasn't jewish.
I advice you find new lie ?
Moral for Zionist is gone ,thanks for T.V,Press, Internet..
Israel not naive,they also than Gas in Gaza to ask British gas to take over.
And to take moral up since Israeli lost war is 2006 with Lebanon >?
Many many reasons but not this rubbish or Primitive rocked of Hamas,
TRA,accidental killed more than Rockets.come on wake up.
"If one of the main pieces of evidence for the rise of anti-Semitism is this play, I don?t think there?s much to worry about. If it?s really on the increase, then we should all stand up against it. But calling political opponents anti-Semitic just confuses the issue.
When people attack English Jews in the street saying, ?This is for Gaza?, they are making a terrible mistake, confusing the people who bombed Gaza with Jews in general. When Howard Jacobson confuses those who criticise Israel with anti-Semites, he is making the same mistake. Unless he?s doing it on purpose."
I find her comments demonstrate astonishing ignorance and unwillingness to understand the perspective of the people she is attempting to represent. If a black person (or any other ethnic minority) feels discriminated against, she would agree that there is an imperative to try and understand that person's position, you may not agree with it but you have an obligation to listen with an open mind. However Churchill thinks she knows best about Jews and Israel, which is unacceptably patronising. She does not even acknowledge there is anything else she might learn.
She does not attempt to comprehend that for Jews, Israel is an indivisible part of their identity and has been before the concept of a Palestinian existed. She does not understand Israel from a Jewish position. She does not acknowledge Jews have lived in Israel for millennium, and does not accept that Israel ( meaning people of Israel as used in every Jewish prayer book) forms an integral and inseparable part of Jewish identity.
Jews have been yearning for (and living in) their homeland since Romans ransacked it and this is reflected in every component of religious and cultural life of all Jews everywhere. How Jews now express their relationship to the contemporary state of Israel, a state which was always alive within Jewish life, and did not "come along" in 1948, is varied and complex. In producing this so called play there is an obligation to explore this complexity with Jewish people, who experience their identity as "Israelites" every day regardless of whether they live outside or within Israel. She has not done that and refuses to do that, which I find unforgivably arrogant.
Israel not naive,they also than Gas in Gaza to ask British gas to take over.
And to take moral up since Israeli lost war is 2006 with Lebanon >?
Many many reasons but not this rubbish or Primitive rocked of Hamas,
TRA,accidental killed more than Rockets.come on wake up
red indian need to you sdame things like hIsrael ?
them the Map will change over the universe.
Indian
Revelation22:7 .
Arab are from the Slave called Ha-ger , Sarah ;wife of Ab'bram ,the only wife,Ga-ger is just Slave ,mistress maidservant to Abraham.the only son is Isaac,not I Ismael ?
God gave Is'mael before Isaass ,and God asked Ab'bram to kill his only son (Isace) ? is God racesits ? or do not ceceder Is'mael as a son of Ab'bram? (GENESIS 15:5/16.17:15/17.21:24/22.22:12/12,15.
For how long the Chrisians will see the bible by the eyes of Zionist Jews ?
I beilive ;til the swords (knowledge) is will speared that fast to Roma ! then Jesus will come to prove that zionist (who killed truth from day one ;since Paul "SHAUol" killed Jesus friend up til now)
Begen ,Sharoon,Rarak Hudu,Peres (fox in Goat mask),Omelret,livny, they all the same,Liberman ,Nateuahoo; housoent Killers at least they show they Zionist real face ,not like HJ.
I do believe that Israel lost "Moral-infrastructure ",but I am knowing that they are hiding the pressure though the politician who are "Zionist " And free Maison to apply the Dictatorship to stop your free pinion in the near future ! I know it since I was 17 year old . since then any thing i red; I saw by my eyes, their plant was to fool us with r Democracy and take it when it does not suit them,AS THIS TIME ?
] they are doing it slowly but surly to convenience us by crating hates and by the name of security ! all lies ?
You are telling us that hamas are ticking the devil Israel ? and used illegal weapon being Tricked ? The Israeli leader did not know the consequences .
Or they kill the slave of Israel ,because they are the son of Ha-ger,YOUR Maidservant (mistress of A,bram)_
What Israel have done is indefensible full stop.
All eyes ,all heads;all children,bit not Israeli dog should be hurted !
Arabs are worthless !
Would you say if Israel lost as much the Palestinian ?
I think HJ is Confusing the people who criticized Zionist ,and purposely ? is this for political reason ?
Zionist sold Jesus to romain ,as Hj is selling the country security to Privatization ,good timing Mr.HJ ?
HJ fulfil zionist dream in controling the Wold ?
Anyone with with eye and brain can see that ?
But he must be Brave to say it !