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Don't mention the restoration! Prince quits heritage body in censorship row

By Michael McCarthy

Prince Charles and Camilla, Duchess of Cornwall outside their converted farmhouse near Llandovery, Wales

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Prince Charles and Camilla, Duchess of Cornwall outside their converted farmhouse near Llandovery, Wales

The Prince of Wales has resigned as patron of Britain's most venerable heritage society after a heated falling-out over his conservative architectural views, The Independent has learnt.

Prince Charles quit as patron of the Society for the Protection of Ancient Buildings, which William Morris founded in 1877, after it rejected a foreword he had written for a handbook on the restoration of old houses.

The Prince forcefully took the view in the piece that old houses should always be restored in their original style, while the society, despite its title, is committed to employing the best of modern architecture and design in restoration projects.

When it asked for the foreword to be amended, it was rebuffed and told it was all or nothing. It chose to reject the piece, issuing a virtually unprecedented snub to the Royal Family. The Prince, taking the view that he was being censored, responded by ending his association with the society.

The embarrassing rift took place several months ago but has until now been kept entirely confidential.

Yesterday, the society's secretary Philip Venning confirmed that the Prince had quit over the issue of his rejected comments.

The Prince's office also confirmed that his five-year association with the society had come to an end.

The row will further reinforce the image of Prince Charles as a dyed-in-the-wool conservative in architectural matters, a view which was given wide currency last month when he intervened to secure the abandonment of a £1bn high-tech development at central London's Chelsea Barracks site by the leading modernist architect Richard Rogers.

An infuriated Lord Rogers accused the Prince of "an abuse of power" and of acting unconstitutionally.

In the dispute with the society, the Prince's rejected foreword was intended for The Old House Handbook, a guide to repairing and caring for old buildings written in association with the society by two of Britain's leading architectural commentators, Roger Hunt and Marianne Suhr.

Hunt is a well known architectural journalist, while Suhr is a chartered surveyor, writer, and expert on historic buildings who co-presented the television series Restoration alongside Ptolemy Dean and Griff Rhys Jones.

Mr Venning said the Prince had agreed to write the foreword at the request of Hunt and Suhr and although the society was happy with most of his comments, there was one section which "could not be squared" with its views and with what the book was saying about new design in connection with the restoration and extension of historic buildings.

The Prince felt the issue of "honesty" in conservation – using design and materials of your own time, to which the society is committed – had been used too often to justify unsatisfactory alterations and ugly additions.

The society asked the Prince's office for the passage to be amended, but its request was refused. As a result, Mr Venning, in consultation with his executive committee, rejected the foreword and wrote another one himself.

Shortly afterwards, the Prince's five-year tenure as the society's patron was up for renewal and he decided not to continue in the position, ending his relationship with the society.

Asked if he regretted the Prince's departure, Mr Venning said: "The fact is, we agree with so much of what he says, but on the issue of new design there are occasions when we disagree, and we won't disguise the fact. We were pleased he was our patron."

The Prince of Wales took over as the society's patron after the death of his grandmother, Queen Elizabeth the Queen Mother, who had been patron since 1977. The society has yet to appoint a new patron.

The 'grandaddy' of conservation groups

Founded by the socialist architect, designer and writer William Morris, the SPAB is the world's oldest environment campaigning group, the "grandaddy" of all conservation organisations, preceding the National Trust, for example, by nearly 20 years (the Trust's founder Octavia Hill was a SPAB member). Over its 132 years of existence it has been supported by many of Britain's leading cultural figures, from Burne-Jones and Ruskin in Victorian times to John Betjeman in the 20th century and more recently, by figures such as Griff Rhys Jones, Jeanette Winterson and Bill Bryson.

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I'm coming to like Prince Charles.
[info]cyberfarer wrote:
Monday, 13 July 2009 at 12:47 am (UTC)
First he is the only world figure to plainly state we're on our way to hell in a handbasket and now he wants to preserve ancient buildings in ancient form. Good for him.
Behind Charles all the way
[info]nled63 wrote:
Monday, 13 July 2009 at 01:23 am (UTC)

Totally correct - restoring ancient buildings with new materials & new ideas? - What the hell are these people thinking? Restoring buildings is about leaving them for following generations - there's not much to be learned from a building that has had a "McDonalds makeover" unleashed upon it.

I am behind Charles all the way; if it wasn't for him, the inner city of London would have ceased to sport fine architecture years ago.
Re: Behind Charles all the way
[info]mark112_m3 wrote:
Monday, 13 July 2009 at 01:25 pm (UTC)
Of course - it was Indiana Windsor to the rescue. Golly gosh us Londoners owe him everything.... where do you get such rubbish from? By the way, it was Charles who threw his toys out of the pram like the stinky, juvenile brat he is. Asking for a foreword to be amended is not equivalent to sticking two fingers up at someone - refusing to amend it and then quitting because of it is.
SPAB's over-reaction
[info]jaded63 wrote:
Monday, 13 July 2009 at 02:39 am (UTC)
If SPAB couldn't stomach just one section where the Prince doesn't disagree with is policy of 'using design and materials of your own time', but merely points out that 'it had been used too often to justify unsatisfactory alterations and ugly additions', then SPAB's over-reaction rather suggests that the Prince has hit upon the truth.
Re: SPAB's over-reaction
[info]mark112_m3 wrote:
Monday, 13 July 2009 at 01:33 pm (UTC)
If you asked a lawyer to represent you and then he didn't do that job you would have to fire him. Prince Charles was effectively under the employ of SPAB and he failed to represent THEM! He left them, they didn't overreact, but maybe the blindly obvious doesn't penetrate your bubble of false reality....
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AESTHETIC VALUES, ART ARE THE VOICE OF THE CULTURAL MOMENT
[info]kentepoz wrote:
Monday, 13 July 2009 at 02:55 am (UTC)
We would do well in respecting the prince's convictions concerning restoration in the most honest way possible rather than creating so many chimaeras no matter how aesthetically pleasing or creative they might be. These are a legacy that can only be perceived by future generations as arrogant impositions of passing cultural values on established history.
Prince Charles
[info]dr_playfair wrote:
Monday, 13 July 2009 at 06:21 am (UTC)
I disagree completely with Prince Charles on the subject of modern architecture - the buildings of our time must reflect our own time and culture and not hark back to earlier norms and customs.

This is not only a matter of taste and technology, but we simply cannot continue to build in the way we have, for environmental reasons. The future of buildings requires use of glass, steel and plastics, sorry about that. These materials are all recoverable. Natural materials like stone and slate are indeed beautiful but the quarries are an eyesore and by now practically empty anyway, at least in Britain. Wood is beautiful too, but there won't be much of that left soon, the tropical forests are already severely depleted. Concrete is needed for the foundations of buildings, bridges etc. but it too should be used sparingly because of the huge energy bill in making cement, not to mention more quarrying.

As for restoration, well, I have to admit that Charlie has a point. As far as possible, ancient buildings that are considered worth preserving should be preserved using the materials that they were first built with, as far as possible. I admit too, that there will be a conflict here with the lofty (but necessary) aims that I outlined above re:future buildings. A slate roof should be repaired with slate, oak beams with oak etc. etc. There should be an allowance made for use of such materials in really important old buildings.

But, like it or not, William Morris's blueprint for the (his) future is completely invalid today.



Re: Prince Charles
[info]hal_obrien wrote:
Monday, 13 July 2009 at 11:02 pm (UTC)
"I disagree completely with Prince Charles on the subject of modern architecture - the buildings of our time must reflect our own time and culture and not hark back to earlier norms and customs."

Eaxactly. So why are the champions of a pastiche style based on Germany and France immediately after WWI so fervent in their advocacy, and determined to represent their preferred century-old pastiche as "modern" and "of our time."

Modernism is just as tired and old as any other style. There hasn't been any genuine movement in architecture for a century now, as modernism's acolytes have become increasingly reactionary.
Re: Prince Charles - [info]orielwindows - Tuesday, 14 July 2009 at 04:52 am (UTC) Expand
Good for the Society for the Protection of Ancient Buildings
[info]robert_hardy wrote:
Monday, 13 July 2009 at 06:28 am (UTC)
There are many occasions when it is impractical and unacceptably expensive to use only traditional materials. Think for instance of some timber framed buildings I would much prefer our remaining old oak trees to remain gracing the landscape than see them chopped up to produce traditional extensions to, or rebuilding of, old buildings. Recently the Landmark Trust has set about restoring an ancient but sadly neglected fortified house, its decision to build an unashamedly modern holiday home, whilst stabilising and preserving much of the ruin is to be congratulated. One should always remember that almost everyone of our English cathedrals is composite of successive redevelopment in the then contemporary style. Thank god the re-builders of Ely Cathedral had the courage and imagination to build the unashamedly (then) modern lantern.
We don't live in theme parks.
[info]depesando wrote:
Monday, 13 July 2009 at 06:34 am (UTC)
Restoration and repair of old buildings with the materials and techniques of the past is a very modern concept and rather conceited. Historically, repairs and modernisation were done as and when needed, in contemporary materials. It's part of the history f the structure.

If you go to any stately home you will be told that 'parts date back to the xx'th century' - the west wing was built in the xx'th. A really interesting and important structure shows the passage of time and the traces of the societies that have lived and worked within it.

Perhaps Prince Charles should stick to building quaint, picturesque parodies of the past. It's very arrogant to think that history ends with us - 100 years from now, the buildings we create now will be all that remains of us and will be part of the traces of the past that our society leaves behind - and I would rather it be an accurate description of the times than a pretend pastiche. The P.O.W is putting the 'Mock' into 'Tudor'
Re: We don't live in theme parks.
[info]barbaracvm wrote:
Monday, 13 July 2009 at 03:58 pm (UTC)
So tear out all the plumbing and electric wiring. That was not in use at the time of construction.
We have the technology to reproduce the natural look and feel to man made materials. Safety must be the first priority to rebuilding the old structures. Some of the materials first used are no longer available or so cost prohibitive that the repairs could not be made. This would lead to further deterioration, eventually loosing the structure all together. Common sense is needed when restoring an old building an all old or new attitude does not work.
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Sour Charles
[info]janson2009 wrote:
Monday, 13 July 2009 at 06:35 am (UTC)
Prince Charles was quite a good advert for Tampax but that's about it. He wasn't so bad when he kept his mouths shut but now he feel free to speak, the full emptiness is revealed.
Re: Sour Charles
[info]cm999 wrote:
Monday, 13 July 2009 at 07:13 am (UTC)
Ah poor little boy throwing his rattle out of the pram. When oh when will the POW realise that we live in the 21st century and want to use the best of design and technology affords us. Unfortunately when the history books are written all we will have to say about now is that it was the era of copying and faux pastiche.

I often wonder how much of an eye sore St Pauls cathedral must have looked when it was being built, towering over the whole of London a huge stone monolith surrounded by small wooden houses.
Well done
[info]leonore35 wrote:
Monday, 13 July 2009 at 07:39 am (UTC)
I do not always agree with or even approve of HRH but I think on this he is correct. If you restore an old building without respecting its history you are changing even destroying it for ever. It may be pleasing to you but you have a responsibility to future generations who may wish to live there
confusion
[info]leonore35 wrote:
Monday, 13 July 2009 at 07:46 am (UTC)
I think some people are confusing new architecture with restoration. A lot of original material can be recovered from demolitions and builders yards. It is not suggested that large new buildings be built using stone and timber, it would be too expensive anyway and difficult to conform to modern environmental rules. However some of the more extreme buildings in Liondon for example are an eyesore. The 'gherkin' looks like an alien space ship has landed
HOT
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I'm With Prince Charles - who speaks like a man should
[info]errol888flynn wrote:
Monday, 13 July 2009 at 09:04 am (UTC)
Prince Charles is again correct.

Old houses (worthy of preservation) should ALWAYS be restored in their original style.

Most other cultures do exactly this, and in doing so preserve ancient skills that lift the spirits of everyone else around them.

It is frankly unconstitutional, not to mention barmy, to argue that old houses should always be restored using the best of modern architecture and design.

Lord Rogers is wrong and should stick to doing what he does best: producing massive glass boxes for Shanghai, Beijing, Dubai, and Singapore.
Re: I'm With Prince Charles - who speaks like a man should
[info]mark112_m3 wrote:
Monday, 13 July 2009 at 01:30 pm (UTC)
Why should they? Becuase you say so? eejit
Smacks of censorship to me...
[info]borntalkingback wrote:
Monday, 13 July 2009 at 09:12 am (UTC)
Why did the society feel it had to agree with every word of the Prince's (or anyone's) forward?
Re: Smacks of censorship to me...
[info]mark112_m3 wrote:
Monday, 13 July 2009 at 01:28 pm (UTC)
Becuase he represents them! Freedom of speech is relevant when the GOVERNMENT attempts to silence a CITIZEN. There was no censorship here -they were right, charles was wrong, as always
Prince Charles is right again
[info]arclight99 wrote:
Monday, 13 July 2009 at 09:30 am (UTC)
It sounds like the Society for the Protection of Ancient Buildings has been infiltered and then taken over by Norman Foster fan-boys. It's new managers are clearly no longer interested in protecting ancient builders as on vandalising them a la mode de the latest Islington architectural fashion. What a sorry state of affairs.

Norman Foster is a pompous oik who has been destroying Britain's architectural urban landscape for more years than anyone can remember without any reference to the wishes of the British people who this enobled knob clearly believes are are beneath him. No surpirse then that he's the favoured architect of that other hive of elitists, the Labour Party.

It's good that in Prince Charles the British people have someone who is prepared to stand up for them and the urban environment which they have to inhabit but have so little say in.
Wish we hadn't had the restoration...
[info]r129 wrote:
Monday, 13 July 2009 at 09:44 am (UTC)
...in 1660. Then we wouldn't have the dim prince preaching from privilege.

If he had been born 50 years sooner would he have insisted that people should continue to live in restored 2-up, 2-down back-to-backs? Does he have any idea the additional costs imposed by listing buildings?
LET LORD ROGERS ROT AND RESTORE THE BUILDINGS
[info]ameliemaryann wrote:
Monday, 13 July 2009 at 10:22 am (UTC)
Prince Charles is correct. What's the point of restoring our heritage unless it's actually restored and not updated? When people restore carvings and mouldings in churches, for example, they recreate the original exactly. What's the difference then, with the interior of old buildings? As for the spoiler Lord Rogers. Why doesn't he bog off?
Victory!
[info]tovasco wrote:
Monday, 13 July 2009 at 10:40 am (UTC)
I suggest that when necessary the masts of HMS Victory should be replaced with twin high speed diesel engines and controllable pitch propellers as they are a far more efficient means of propulsion and in keeping with our own time. Plus as they are under the 'water line' the improvements will not be visible anyway.
Victory
[info]robert_hardy wrote:
Monday, 13 July 2009 at 11:34 am (UTC)
Tavasco I think you should be aware that the masts and spars of HMS victory were long ago replaced with much lighter steel replacements because he structure was insufficiently strong to maintain the weight of the originals. Similarly most of the guns are GRP replacements for the same reason.
A blow for freedom
[info]marjorysmith wrote:
Monday, 13 July 2009 at 11:43 am (UTC)
It's about time someone told that tyrant that he does not get to ride roughshod over everyone. Hear ye architects, say after me "NO".
SPAB are fascists
[info]timonsays wrote:
Monday, 13 July 2009 at 12:03 pm (UTC)
Whether you agree with Prince Charles or not is irrelevant in this case.

The fact is that SPAB are fascists. They are so intolerant they refuse to allow Prince Charles the freedom to say what he thinks. The refusal to tolerate dissent is fascism.

SPAB admit that the differences between them and Prince Charles are very small, so why not allow him his say? To be so intransigent as to demand total and complete agreement is fascism pure and simple.
Re: SPAB are fascists
[info]mark112_m3 wrote:
Monday, 13 July 2009 at 01:39 pm (UTC)
Utter rubbish. They are fascists because they ask him to rewrite a section of a foreward to a book. Are you being purposefully facile? That isn't exactly what fascists are known for. "the refusal to tolerate dissent is fascism" - come now, surely you don't believe that?! Fascism is a system of government marked by centralization of authority under a dictator, stringent socioeconomic controls, suppression of the opposition through terror, and typically a policy of belligerent nationalism and racism. One of the two parties involved adheres to this description - here's a hint, it's not the SPAB!
SPAB's Manifesto
[info]minto22 wrote:
Monday, 13 July 2009 at 02:28 pm (UTC)
To understand the SPAB and its approach to conservation can I suggest that you have a look at its Manifesto, written by Morris in 1877 - http://www.spab.org.uk/html/what-is-spab/the-manifesto/
Repair not restore!
[info]orielwindows wrote:
Monday, 13 July 2009 at 03:04 pm (UTC)
The Society does not talk about 'restoration'. It advocates sensitive repair, which is what the book was about - a practical repair handbook. Therefore it's probable that the introduction was off the mark and not relevant. Nor is SPAB an 'environment' group but one dedicated to the appropriate conservation of ancient buildings.

And Hunt and Suhr , while both expert in their fields, could not be any stretch of the imagination be described as two of this country's foremost architectural commentators.

Possibly before anyone else makes uninformed comments, it should study the SPAB website, which expands on its views. Without SPAB, we would have lost many fine ancient buildings, and far too many would have been 'restored' not 'repaired' with sympathy.

http://www.spab.org.uk/html/what-is-spab/spabs-purpose/

Mostly, within its aims, it works with a certain degree of pragmatism. However, how Prince Charles was unaware of the SPAB philosophy is a mystery, and it only advocates the highest standard of new design where appropriate.
Re: Repair not restore!
[info]brumbar wrote:
Monday, 13 July 2009 at 03:41 pm (UTC)
The reason Prince Charles is unaware of the aims of SPAB is because he is not only dim, but lives in a bubble populated by sycophants and well-to-do fantasists. He obviously doesn't think it necessary to aquaint himself with the contents of a book which he is writing the foreward for, therefor wasting everyones time. His doctor should up the medication.
Re: Repair not restore! - [info]orielwindows - Monday, 13 July 2009 at 03:57 pm (UTC) Expand
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[info]orielwindows wrote:
Monday, 13 July 2009 at 04:44 pm (UTC)
Heavens - may as well demolish it then! No point in hysterically adhering to the past!

Are you a SPAB member?

[info]orielwindows wrote:
Monday, 13 July 2009 at 04:49 pm (UTC)
It appears that HRH had little idea of SPAB philosophy and so he possibly wasn't the person to take over from his grandmother as Patron of SPAB.

However, addition, renewal and repair does not have to be unsympathetic and damaging to the original building, but it should not try to confuse.
[info]orielwindows wrote:
Monday, 13 July 2009 at 06:49 pm (UTC)
I certainly don't think he is dim, and I have my reasons for sayng that, although I am no great Royalist either. Possibly he wasn't adequately briefed by his staff or whoever about the contents and purpose of this book, although possibly you think that is living in a bubble (but he can't be up to speed with every detail of all he has to do, clearly many who felt they could comment here are not widely informed either) and I suspect (and I am a member of SPAB) this has been blown up out of all proportion. It is, of course, easy to be banal and vile about him on a website, safe in the knowledge that he can't answer back.

However, his five year stint is at an end, and he's allowed not to agree with SPAB philosophy and to wish not to carry on as patron. All this is past history. The book is not recent.

And as Philip Venning said on radio today, you can't, as protocol, argue directly with HRH. Which is a shame, as I have no doubt some sensible discussion would iron out any perceived differences. I suspect they are minor.

He has done some excellent things in the realm of historic building conservation, overtly and otherwise.
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