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The art of survival: Essential skills for the post-apocalyptic world

Recession. Food shortages. Natural disasters. Terrorism. What would happen to us if some cataclysmic event caused society to break down? Neil Strauss wasn't prepared to leave his future to chance

Law enforcement officers watch as a fire burns along Interstate 8 near Alpine, California

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Law enforcement officers watch as a fire burns along Interstate 8 near Alpine, California

Kelly Alwood didn't say a word as he handcuffed my hands behind my back, opened the trunk of a rental car, and ordered me to get inside. With his shaven head, which looked like it could break bottles; his glassy brown eyes, which revealed no emotion whatsoever; and the.3" calibre pistol hanging from a chain around his neck, he didn't seem like the kind of person to cross. As he shut the trunk over my head, the blue sky of Oklahoma City disappeared, replaced by claustrophobic darkness and new-car smell. Instantly, panic set in.

I took a deep breath and tried to remember what I'd learned. I curled my right leg as far up my body as it would go and dipped my cuffed hands down until I could reach my sock. Inside, I'd stashed the straight half of a hairpin, which I'd modified by making a perpendicular bend a quarter inch from the top. I removed the pin, stuck the bent end into the inner edge of the handcuff keyhole, and twisted the pin down against the lever inside until I felt it give way.

As I twisted my wrist against the metal, I heard a fast series of clicks, the sound of freedom as the two ends of the cuff disengaged. I released my hands, then made a discovery few people who haven't been stuffed inside a trunk know: most new cars have a release handle on the inside of the boot that, conveniently, glows in the dark. I pulled on the handle and emerged into the light.

"Thirty-nine seconds," Alwood said as I climbed out of the trunk. "Not bad."

I couldn't believe classes like this even existed. In the last 48 hours, I'd learned to hot-wire a car, pick locks, conceal my identity, evade attack dogs, and escape from handcuffs, flexi-cuffs, duct tape, rope, and nearly every other type of restraint.

The course was called Urban Escape and Evasion, which offered the type of instruction I'd been looking for to quell my anxieties about the headlines I read in the newspapers every day, threatening riots, terrorism, economic collapse, and citywide strikes. The objective of the class was to learn to survive in a city that had turned into a battleground. Most of the students were soldiers and contractors who'd either been in Iraq or were about to go, and wanted to know how to safely get back to the green zone if trapped behind enemy lines.

The class was run by a company called onPoint Tactical. Its founder, Kevin Reeve, had been the director of Tracker School, America's pre-eminent wilderness survival centre, before setting off on his own to train Navy SEALs, Special Forces units, SWAT teams, paratroopers, marines, and snipers. As a bounty hunter, his partner, Alwood, had worked with the FBI and Secret Service to help capture criminals on the Most Wanted list.

For our next exercise, we walked inside to a shooting range behind the classroom where an obstacle course had been set up. Alwood handcuffed me again, adding leg chains to my feet. I then ran as fast as I could through the course, ducking under and climbing over chairs and benches, simulating a prison escape.

"We're nine meals away from chaos in this country," Reeve lectured afterward, explaining that after just three days without food, people would be rioting in the streets. "With gas and corn prices so high, recent events have made it much more likely that you'll be needing urban escape and evasion skills in this lifetime."

To prove his point, Reeve told us of gangs of armed looters that ransacked neighbourhood after neighbourhood in New Orleans during Hurricane Katrina. "One of the police officers there told me they shot on sight three people out past curfew," he added.

For some reason, I was more disturbed by the idea of killer cops than marauding gangs. Maybe it was because of the recurring nightmares I used to have as a teenager about being mistaken for someone else and taken to jail. In the dreams, I'd be so petrified during the ride to prison that I usually woke up in a cold sweat before I ever made it there. Since then, I'd come to realise it wasn't actually jail I was scared of in those dreams, but the loss of freedom that it represented.

As the sun set, we drove to an abandoned junkyard, where Reeve let us practice throwing chips of ceramic insulation from spark plugs to shatter car windows, using generic keys, known as jigglers, to open automobile doors, and starting cars by sticking a screwdriver in the ignition and turning it with a wrench. As I popped open the trunk on a Dodge with my new set of jigglers, I thought: "This is the coolest class I've ever taken in my life." If I'd had these skills in school, I definitely would have been expelled.

Over a barbecue dinner later that night, Reeve asked why I'd signed up for the course. "I think things have changed for my generation," I told him. "We were born with a silver spoon in our mouths, but now it's being removed. And most of us never learned how to take care of ourselves. So I've spent the last two years trying to get the skills and documents I need to prepare for an uncertain future."

I'd never actually verbalised the source of my anxieties before. Reeve looked at Alwood silently as I spoke. For a moment, I worried that I'd been too candid. Then he smiled broadly. "You're talking to the right people. That's what we've been thinking. Kelly has caches all over this country - and in Europe."

On the first day of class, Reeve had taught us all about caches - hiding places where food, equipment, and other survival supplies can be stored away from home, whether buried in the ground or stashed in a bus-station locker.

"The thing with caches is that you have to be able to survive if one is compromised," Alwood explained. "So each one has to contain everything you need: gun, ammo, food, water."

"You'll need lots of ammo," Reeve added, "because that will be the currency of the future."

I pulled out my survival to-do list and added, "Make caches."

I'd noticed that the way people prepare for TEOTWAWKI (survivalist slang for "the end of the world as we know it") has a lot to do with their view of human nature. If you're a Fliesian like Alwood and Reeve and you think that without the rules of society to restrain them, people will become violent and selfish, then you'll build a secret retreat, stockpile guns, and start a militia. If you're a humanist, and believe people are essentially compassionate, then you'll create a commune, invite everyone, and try to work in harmony together.

In case of disaster, Alwood and Reeve had their own list of essentials: water, food, defence, energy, retreat, medical, and network.

So far in my disaster-preparedness training, I'd found no groups where I felt like I belonged. The billionaires were out of my league. The PTs (permanent travellers) were too paranoid about Big Brother. The survivalists were too extreme about guns and religion. The primitivists were too opposed to technology and modern culture. And the growing tide of doomsdayers seemed more interested in trying to prove their predictions than do anything about them.

And unless you're Robert Neville in I Am Legend – and even he died at the end – the best way to survive WTSHTF will be to have a well-organised team with members cross-trained in every necessary skill.

I'd recently read a book called Patriots by an infamous survival blogger named James Wesley Rawles. A how-to book disguised as fiction, Patriots tells of a future in which inflation has made the dollar worthless, leading to social, economic, and government collapse. Fortunately, a group of eight friends has been training and stockpiling supplies for years - Just in Case. So they hole up in a compound in rural Idaho and, thanks to their military organisation, survival skills, Christian values, and weapons expertise, successfully fend off looters, gangs, and even the United Nations.

The lengths they go to in order to accomplish this are not just extreme, they're inspirational. They build a 900-gallon diesel storage tank, a solar pump and 3,500-gallon water cistern, a 57ft-high wooden tower for a wind generator, seven camouflaged foxholes to ambush intruders, and bulletproof steel-plated doors and window shutters.

And that's just a small fraction of their preparations. They even add an extra fuel tank to their vehicles, which inspired me to look into doing the same.

But who did I have to hang out with for TEOTWAWKI? No one.

"Now you do," Reeve replied when I shared my thoughts. "You can always come to us."

"But you can't come to us tomorrow," Alwood said, a cruel smile forming. Tomorrow was our final exam. "Because we'll be hunting you in the streets."

It was 9am on Sunday morning and I was in the backseat of a Range Rover, handcuffed again. This time, it was to another student. His name was Michael, and he was preparing to work in Iraq as a truck driver for Halliburton. He was trying to earn money, he said, to open a laundromat. "Everyone has to wash their clothes," he explained, the dollar signs practically glinting in his eyes.

Reeve had driven us 10 minutes outside downtown Oklahoma City, confiscated our bags, and left us handcuffed in the SUV in a parking lot in a desolate part of town. If we were caught anywhere in the city by Reeve and his cohorts – most of them bounty hunters and military trainers – we'd be put in restraints, thrown in the back seat of their car, and dropped off miles away to start all over again.

Luckily, I had internalised the first lesson of urban survival: planning. I'd spent the previous night locating supplies, hiding them in caches, and finding collaborators in the city. To make sure my hairpin pick wasn't confiscated, I'd made a thin slit in the seam of my shirt collar and stashed it inside.

I pulled it out and undid my handcuffs, then Michael's. Beneath the Range Rover floor mat was an envelope containing the first of several tasks we'd need to execute in downtown Oklahoma City to prove we'd learned to successfully navigate a dangerous urban environment. Our first assignment was to meet an agent wearing a black hat in the Bass Pro Shop in an area known as Bricktown and use persuasion engineering to get her to reveal our next mission.

Bricktown was a long walk away – especially since we'd get caught by bounty hunters if we took the main streets. Nearby, however, there was an Enterprise Rent-A-Car office; perhaps someone there would give us a ride.

The only customer inside was a young, muscular man in a large sleeveless basketball jersey. He was at least six inches taller than me and three times as thick. His face was crisscrossed with scars.

So I asked him for a ride.

"Our friends dropped us off here as a joke, and we have to make it back to Bricktown. Is there any way we can get a lift?"

"Do you got any guns or drugs on you?" he asked. That wasn't exactly the response I'd expected.

"No, definitely not," we reassured him.

"I'll give you a ride then," he grunted, "but I gotta warn you, if I'm pulled over by the police, I'm not gonna be nice to them."

I didn't know what he meant exactly, but it was scary as fuck.

In that moment, I realised this wasn't a game. This was a real city, and this was real life.

Yet we followed him outside to a black Chevy Tahoe and climbed inside anyway. This, I realised as he drove us into town, was how people got killed. Evidently, in my mind, the law of conservation of energy had overruled the principles of common sense.

As he drove into town, he handed me his card. Underneath his name were the words "credit doctor". "If you ever need your credit repaired, I can do it overnight-for the right price," he informed me. He, too, was an urban survivalist of sorts, with his own method of beating the system.

He dropped us off in an alley in Bricktown where I'd cached a bag of disguises the night before. In a lecture on urban camouflage, Reeve and Alwood had taught us there was a certain category of people in cities called invisible men. If the city is a network of veins, invisible men are the white blood cells: they work to keep it clean. They're the janitors with bundles of keys on their belt loops, the alarm servicemen with clipboards and work orders, the UPS men hidden behind piles of boxes, and the construction workers with hard hats, safety vests, and tool belts.

In these disguises, Reeve and Alwood said, we could walk unnoticed into almost any event.

However, since Alwood and Reeve had taught us these disguises, I knew they'd be looking for invisible men. But what they wouldn't be looking for was an invisible woman.

I slid under the back porch of a Hooters restaurant and found my bag of disguises. Miraculously, it was still intact in a small ditch in the rear of the crawl space where I'd cached it the night before. I grabbed the bag, climbed out, and entered a small corridor of shops above while Michael waited in the alley.

Inside, I found a public restroom and began my transformation.

First I shaved my moustache and goatee in the bathroom mirror. Then I stepped into the stall and put on a flowery yellow cardigan I'd bought at Wal-Mart, after having seen a nondescript woman wearing a similar top.

I removed my cargo pants and replaced them with women's black dress slacks, then swapped my sneakers for yellow flat shoes.

Next, I pulled out a purse I'd stuffed with the rest of my disguise: hat, wig, sunglasses, clip-on earrings, and makeup my girlfriend, Katie, had recommended – face powder, mascara, and lipstick.

I left the stall to put on the hat and wig. Gazing at my reflection in the bathroom mirror, I realised, to my disappointment, that I didn't even make a good transvestite, let alone a passable woman. I hoped Katie's make-up tips would help.

I powdered my face, which helped conceal the faint outline of my freshly shaven beard. But as I was pulling out the mascara, the bathroom door swung open and a thick-necked college student with a crew cut and a striped button-down shirt stumbled in. His face was patchy and red, as if he'd been drinking.

He looked at me, and slurred: "What the fuck are you doing?"

"I'm doing a class exercise," I blurted, hoping it would sound normal enough to calm him down. Then again, I was in a men's room in Oklahoma, dressed like a woman.

"What the fuck are you?"

I wasn't so sure I understood the question, but I tried to answer anyway. "I'm being chased by bounty hunters, and I need to dress like a woman so they don't recognise me."

He glared at me and knitted his brow. I tried to clarify: "It's for a course I'm taking on urban evasion."

In response, he opened the bathroom door and yelled into the corridor. "Hey, broheim [brother], get a look at this."

Seconds later, "broheim" walked into the bathroom. He was bigger than his friend, and just as drunk.

"What do we have here?" he asked as soon as he saw me.

At this point, I was sure I was going to get my ass kicked.

With the two of them blocking the exit, I needed to put my survival skills to use immediately. Unfortunately, there were no locks to pick and no cars to hot-wire. And instead of my Springfield XD automatic pistol, I was carrying a handbag.

In the course of my training, I'd learned that force respects greater force. So I ripped my hat and wig off in one motion, mustered as much toughness as I could, and told them coolly and firmly, "I'm in the fucking marines. We're doing a drill in the city. Now back the fuck out before I get the rest of my battalion."

The thick-necked guy who started it all stared for a moment at my shaven head and then said, sheepishly: "I guess you are in the marines."

Thank God I hadn't attached the clip-on earrings yet.

I made a mental note to add another skill to my survival to-do list: hand-to-hand combat. I couldn't be a runner all my life. The only reason they were leaving was that they thought I was a fighter. I was reminded of something I'd been told at Tracker School when they were teaching us to hunt: "A fleeing animal is a vulnerable animal."

After they backed out of the bathroom, I quickly changed into my jeans and tennis shoes again. Then I put on a military-green cap I'd bought, glasses, and a flannel shirt. With my facial hair gone, I hoped I'd be difficult enough to recognise. I'd learned my lesson: cross-dressing is not an urban survival tactic. It's an urban suicide tactic.

When I returned to the alley, my urban escape team was waiting for me. Michael had been joined by four locals I'd recruited by posting a bulletin on MySpace the previous night, asking for volunteers in Oklahoma City for a top-secret mission. (Evidently, there's not much to do in Oklahoma City on a Sunday afternoon.) Because the instructors had divided us into pairs, I hoped to escape their notice by moving in a larger group.

Sticking to alleys, parks, and industrial areas, we made our way to the Bass Pro Shop and safely carried out the first few missions.

But then I made the mistake of leaving the group to grab another cache, which included a set of lock-picking tools. As Reeve had taught us, "Once you learn lock-picking, the world is your oyster."

I found the cache behind a pile of sandbags lying along the banks of the city's canal. But as I made my way back to the group, I noticed a bounty hunter on a bridge above. He hadn't spotted me yet. But he would soon.

There didn't appear to be anywhere to hide or run – except for a door on the side of the bridge. I tried the knob. It was locked. I grabbed my lock-picking tools, found a pick with a flat underside, stuck it inside the lock, and raked it against the pins. There were five of them.

I selected a thin pick with an S-shaped end known as a snake and stuck it into the lock. At the bottom of the lock, I inserted a tension wrench. As I raked the snake along the pins, I pressed gently downward on the handle of the tension wrench. After a few minutes, the wrench began to turn. I pushed slightly harder on the wrench and, with a click, the door was open.

This class was better than my entire college education.

I needed to remember this wasn't a game. This was reality and it could have consequences.

After emerging 15 minutes later, I rejoined my team and completed the remaining assignments, which mostly involved finding and photographing survival locations and items in the city: a water source, food source, daytime hiding location, safe place to sleep at night, easy-to-steal car, and an item that could be turned into a stabbing weapon.

This could just as easily have been a Fagin-like class for future career criminals. But like most governments, police forces, and armies, by calling ourselves the good guys, we had full permission to do any bad things we wanted – that is, until other people who thought they were the good guys felt otherwise.

While looking for water (available from several fountains) and food (available from edible plants and public ponds stocked with fish), I accidentally found several caches in the bushes made by homeless people. One contained a frying pan, the other a plastic bag with blankets inside. Between the cracks of the city, there was another world. And in that world, I learned, it was possible to live with no name and no money. I'd never thought of the homeless as survivalists before.

After completing our assignments, we reported back to Kevin.

"How'd you get everything done so quickly without getting noticed?" he asked suspiciously.

Though I was worried he'd accuse me of cheating, I told him the truth: I'd recruited a scout and camouflage team on MySpace.

"I saw those guys, but I had no idea who they were. That goes down as one of the all-time great class stories."

I was relieved. Unlike wilderness survival, urban survival had no restrictions. Whatever worked was permissible. And that's why it appealed to me. After all, living like our primitive ancestors doesn't necessarily mean using sticks and stones. It means using every resource available and any means possible.

Thanks to Reeve and Alwood, I was finally ready to aggregate the skills I'd learned and conduct a trial run of the apocalypse to make sure I was fully prepared.

That is, after I called the Krav Maga centre in Los Angeles and signed up for street fighting lessons. I wasn't going to get caught defenceless in a bathroom dressed as a woman again.

This is an edited extract from 'Emergency', by Neil Strauss, published by Canongate Books. To order a copy for £10.79 with free P&P call Independent Books Direct on 08700 798 897, or visit www.independentbooksdirect.co.uk.

Survival language: What you need to know

WTSHTF is short for When The Shit Hits The Fan. And, as disastrous as that may sound, it's not nearly as bad as EOTWAWKI – The End Of The World As We Know It.

Bugging out is slang for leaving your home to go somewhere safe. To do so, you'll want a bug-out bag (or BOB) full of survival supplies for the road; a bug-out vehicle (or BOV), to get you out of the impact zone and through traffic as quickly as possible; and a bug-out location (or BOL ) stocked with enough provisions to get you through whatever crisis is occurring.

So, in short, WTSHTF, you're going to want a BOB to put in your BOV to go to your BOL – where you'll pray it isn't the EOTWAWKI.

Key skills: How to evade pursuit vehicles

1. MODIFY YOUR VEHICLE

Prepare ahead of time with, at a minimum, run-flat tyres that will operate at high speeds when punctured. If possible, also add high-quality shocks and springs, bullet-resistant windows, stainless-steel brake linings, a heavy-duty radiator, and dual-ram bumpers.

If you want to get serious, add layers of Kevlar on the car interior, ballistic wrap around your petrol tank, a dual battery system, an electric-shock system on the car exterior, and steel plates (with gaps for airflow) protecting the engine. Keep in mind that any additional weight will affect the car's handling.

2. STOP THE CHASE BEFORE IT HAPPENS

Quickly disable unoccupied pursuit vehicles by sticking a knife into their tyre sidewalls or shattering their front windshields.

3. BLIND THE ENEMY

Carry a handheld spotlight or 500-plus-lumen flashlight to shine into the eyes of pursuiing drivers. Ideally, install spotlights or flashing strobe lights on your vehicle.

4. DISGUISE YOUR CAR

Create a panel of switches to independently control the lights of your vehicle, so you can become near-invisible at night. Keep night vision goggles in your car so you can drive in the dark.

5. STAY IN CONTROL

The goal in a car pursuit is not to be the fastest, but not to crash. Unless you have a far superior car to those of your enemies, try not to exceed a safe speed, so you can remain in control of your car.

6. LEARN EVASIVE DRIVING

Practice evasive driving manoeuvres, like effective cornering.. If the pursuit vehicle is trying to pit you (by ramming your rear side panel and causing you to spin out), continually brake and accelerate.

7. CLOSE THE DRIVER'S-SIDE GAP

Never let a car pull alongside you, especially on the driver's side. To prevent this, don't leave a lane open on the driver's side of the car. If the enemy is still able to get in position for a drive-by attack, slam on the brakes.

8. SEEK COVER

If you need to abandon the vehicle, pull in front of a crowded, covered area, such as a shopping mall. Walk inside and lose yourself in the crowd.

If possible, carry a shopping bag with a razor, change of clothes, and other identity concealment gear.

If there's no crowded space nearby, find a dense area with cover, like a forest, where only foot pursuit is possible.

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Survial of the fittest
[info]boeticia wrote:
Thursday, 9 April 2009 at 02:08 am (UTC)
Does want end up paranoid or have a nervous breakdown after all this?
[info]rossolimo wrote:
Thursday, 9 April 2009 at 02:09 am (UTC)
What an adolescent, if not childish, fear-driven, people hating, nihilistic, gun-toting view of life. There are always opportunists who will take advantage of situations, but, perhaps America aside, the general experience is that in times of trauma and catastrophe most people go out of their way to help each other. If you believe the worst of people, as clearly Americans often do, then that is what you will get. Only in America! Thank God.
immature and so very... american
[info]thorkelson wrote:
Thursday, 9 April 2009 at 03:01 am (UTC)
this article is really out of place in an intelligent liberal newspaper like the independent. everything about it is so silly and american, basically this guys has played an expensive game of cops and robbers...
Re: immature and so very... american
[info]carljb wrote:
Thursday, 9 April 2009 at 12:30 pm (UTC)
Totally spot on, this is redneck garbage. Think I'm going ot have to go back ot reading The Guardian.
Re: immature and so very... american - [info]blindweb - Saturday, 11 April 2009 at 12:20 pm (UTC) Expand
Re: immature and so very... american - [info]ansonmacdonald - Saturday, 11 April 2009 at 04:15 pm (UTC) Expand
Never in a Micra
[info]comradekaff wrote:
Thursday, 9 April 2009 at 06:14 am (UTC)
I just tried to get out of the Micra, there isn't a handle that glows in the dark. So now we know what car to use if you want to kidnap someone.
When society collapses, the best course is to grow vegetables, raise chickens and learn to weave and knit.
[info]arrastograpple wrote:
Thursday, 9 April 2009 at 07:29 am (UTC)
What is this cretinous pap doing in the Independent ?
big boys games.
[info]amckinstry wrote:
Thursday, 9 April 2009 at 08:11 am (UTC)
So how much of the preparations for EOTWAWKI was dedicated to farming, irrigation, education?

The point of "three days food from the end of civilisation" is that this is how much food is in the shops.
After that, theft doesn't help. You've got to grow your own.

How about putting effort into preventing the End Of The World As We Know It, eh?
Survival of the fittest
[info]mcqueen76 wrote:
Thursday, 9 April 2009 at 08:12 am (UTC)
OK, so maybe a little over the top and American - but if society does collapse, particularly in a geographically small country like England - do you really thnk that roving hungry gangs from the city are going to leave you in peace to grow vegetables and weave? Or are people with a predisposition to violence going to have a field day taking everything you've got? I think you know the answer.

"The strong do what they can and the weak suffer what they must" Thucydides, The Melian Dialogue
Re: Survival of the fittest
[info]boeticia wrote:
Thursday, 9 April 2009 at 11:01 am (UTC)
How large is the world's population? China alone has (still) 1.3 BILLIONS!
Imagine all these people running around and about like the ultimate TERMINATOR! The hunters and
the hunted mice! Sounds like one of those computer games that are inspiring people nowadays
"how to run amok". The news has been full of these lately.
It's still preferable to strive for peaceful solutions...no, rather, exert ourselves to stretching our imagination to the utmost ...in achieving peaceful solutions. We must never allow things to go this
far because that would be the end of humanity. The Final Solution.
Re: Survival of the fittest - [info]boeticia - Thursday, 9 April 2009 at 11:51 am (UTC) Expand
Pedal power only
[info]humble_sparrow wrote:
Thursday, 9 April 2009 at 08:23 am (UTC)
O my God, just have a bike, what happens then ?
Excelent article
[info]concretedave wrote:
Thursday, 9 April 2009 at 08:24 am (UTC)
I'm glad I've started my caches already.

When the government brown shirts start coming round to my house to collect my taxes directly, or want to 'advise' me on how to use less energy, throw away less rubbish or force me to go to a doctor (and get prescribed drugs that won't help) just because my BMI is on the high side.

I will be able to avoid these facists until common sense prevails.

Or, if there is a major power outage, that leaves power out for a few days and the 'holier-than-thou' posters in these comments, start panicking because they have no food and the milk for their fair-trade lattes has gone off. I'll be ready.
It' may not be organically grown tinned and dried food, but it will feed me for 2-3 weeks.
motormouth nonsense
[info]jaffgyp wrote:
Thursday, 9 April 2009 at 08:32 am (UTC)
note how often cars are mentioned here- this poor slob was born with wheels in place of feet and seems to think that they run on air?
Re: motormouth nonsense
[info]beth_85 wrote:
Thursday, 9 April 2009 at 11:19 am (UTC)
That's a point - especially since the collapse of society will probably coincide with the collapse of the fossil fuel industry! Learn to use your legs, lazy city folk.
[info]rachieblackwell wrote:
Thursday, 9 April 2009 at 09:20 am (UTC)
Ive been thinking about this topic, what would happen if society collapses, I think my idea would be to get out of the city asap!! as Which as I live in a quite rural city in uk would be relatively easy, on foot or on a bicycle, the roads and moterways would probably be completely blocked up with cars that will run out of petrol pretty quick.
basic needs...
*food
*Clean Water
*shelter
So we would need food, there are still plenty of plants in this country that grow wild that we could eat - so each person would need to know which ones these are. The squirrels and Rabbits etc would start looking pretty tasty too - so would need to catch them kill and eat them. (oh dear would start to miss tescos) One would also have to start looking towards the long term - planting foods - would need seeds etc and skills to grow them. Oh and a way of starting a fire to cook without matches or a lighter because they would run out.
Clean water - the only natural sources of clean water I know of in my locality is a spring up a hill 10 miles away or a well at a friends farm (would probebly go there). Bottled water would not last very long, but useful to have.
Shelter - to keep away from panicing lunatics as discussed in the article would need to be very subtle, otherwise the panicing lunatics will probebly kill us for a few berries when standing next to a bush full of them. So the usual form of shelter in this country would be too obvious and easily found by pillagers, So would have to keep on the move within the woods which are a bit thin these days.

So if we manage to survive - work out what we can eat without poisoning, get to water supply, manage not to die of hyperthermia, what then.... Other than the people that you may have pooled resources with to manage to survive, every other human will look a lot more scary than they do today, desperate wild people. So what would you do when you came in contact with them? Also what would you do instead of watching tv? Can you make your own music? Could you make paper and charcoal to do some drawing?





thats all a bit scary
[info]rachieblackwell wrote:
Thursday, 9 April 2009 at 09:21 am (UTC)
Ive been thinking about this topic, what would happen if society collapses, I think my idea would be to get out of the city asap!! as Which as I live in a quite rural city in uk would be relatively easy, on foot or on a bicycle, the roads and moterways would probably be completely blocked up with cars that will run out of petrol pretty quick.
basic needs...
*food
*Clean Water
*shelter
So we would need food, there are still plenty of plants in this country that grow wild that we could eat - so each person would need to know which ones these are. The squirrels and Rabbits etc would start looking pretty tasty too - so would need to catch them kill and eat them. (oh dear would start to miss tescos) One would also have to start looking towards the long term - planting foods - would need seeds etc and skills to grow them. Oh and a way of starting a fire to cook without matches or a lighter because they would run out.
Clean water - the only natural sources of clean water I know of in my locality is a spring up a hill 10 miles away or a well at a friends farm (would probebly go there). Bottled water would not last very long, but useful to have.
Shelter - to keep away from panicing lunatics as discussed in the article would need to be very subtle, otherwise the panicing lunatics will probebly kill us for a few berries when standing next to a bush full of them. So the usual form of shelter in this country would be too obvious and easily found by pillagers, So would have to keep on the move within the woods which are a bit thin these days.

So if we manage to survive - work out what we can eat without poisoning, get to water supply, manage not to die of hyperthermia, what then.... Other than the people that you may have pooled resources with to manage to survive, every other human will look a lot more scary than they do today, desperate wild people. So what would you do when you came in contact with them? Also what would you do instead of watching tv? Can you make your own music? Could you make paper and charcoal to do some drawing?

Rachie
xxx
Re: thats all a bit scary
[info]xnagendra wrote:
Thursday, 9 April 2009 at 12:07 pm (UTC)
Dont bother coming into the countryside we will only turn you away or shoot you
Re: thats all a bit scary - [info]rachieblackwell - Thursday, 9 April 2009 at 01:56 pm (UTC) Expand
fantasist
[info]laconico wrote:
Thursday, 9 April 2009 at 09:52 am (UTC)
"I'm in the fucking marines. We're doing a drill in the city. Now back the fuck out before I get the rest of my battalion."

you imagined saying that right?
Old Tinfoil Hat
[info]balbkubrox wrote:
Thursday, 9 April 2009 at 09:57 am (UTC)
We've seen this all before: back in the early 1980s when the Cruise missiles were being installed at Greenham Common and nuclear war by accident seemed a very real possibility. There was quite a rash of Survivalist publications then, I remember; all distinctly creepy and reading rather as if Baden-Powell's "Scouting for Boys" had been revised and annotated by Adolf Eichmann. And nothing came of them: apart from a few psychopaths like Michael Ryan the Hungerford gunman getting fed up with waiting for the end of civilization and going out AK47 in hand to try and end it at local level.

Speaking as someone whose parents-in-law actually experienced the Eastern Front in 1944-45 - about as near to a nuclear war as you can get without actually having nuclear weapons - I have to say the evidence is that in the face of apocalyptic disaster, oncer the initial shock is over human beings do actually co-operate rather well to put their lives back together as best they can. Even in Hiroshima the banks and postal service were back operating three days after the atom bomb, the trains within five and the city's tram service within the week albeit on a reduced timetable. This selfish I've-got-a-gun- so-sod-the-rest-of-you attitude is quintessentially American - and also quite plainly contains a large element of wishful thinking.
still the best
[info]hliz wrote:
Thursday, 9 April 2009 at 10:28 am (UTC)
The pocket SAS survival guide (published by Collins) gives you all this excitment, plus some useful info, plus some pretty hilarious stuff (if you are in the UK) like when to use your shark repellent.
Re: still the best
[info]ancientoneuk wrote:
Thursday, 9 April 2009 at 09:44 pm (UTC)
Chris Ryan has written a series too for kids on how to survive but I agree for the novice you can't go wrong with the SAS survival guide.
I'll buy the book...
[info]diddlyoompah wrote:
Thursday, 9 April 2009 at 10:35 am (UTC)
... I've been bored as hell since Boys' Own vanished from my life. I'm gonna armour my bicycle right away and put an axe head on the end of the pump.
Re: I'll buy the book...
[info]theelectrician wrote:
Thursday, 9 April 2009 at 11:00 am (UTC)
I've modified my bicycle pump to shoot metal darts. I can hit a stationary squirrel at 10 yards. Armoring your bike is not a good idea, it ruins acceleration and cornering. Keep your bike light and armor your pedal car instead.
survival or action movie fantasy?
[info]beth_85 wrote:
Thursday, 9 April 2009 at 11:16 am (UTC)
While it's important to prepare for emergencies and natural disasters, particularly if you live in an area that might be prone to flooding, earthquakes etc. I think this kind of macho, militaristic stuff belongs firmly with the likes of Bruce Willis, Chuck Norris and the rest. Encouraging more people to carry offensive weapons can surely only lead to more deaths from gunshot and knife wounds, and fostering this kind of lawless kill-or-be-killed mentality is not going to help rebuild society if it does indeed collapse. And really, if the apocalypse does descend on us, four horsemen and all, do you really think that some cute acronyms and a pistol are going to save you?
Re: survival or action movie fantasy?
[info]boeticia wrote:
Friday, 10 April 2009 at 09:24 am (UTC)
Quite right you are, Beth. And to supplement the possible natural catastrophes you mentioned....
if a meteorite hits the earth, all that's left is a prayer (if there's even time for that) since we
won't probably know what hit us. All the rest if pure machismo fantasy.
Makes you wonder..
[info]acidpen wrote:
Thursday, 9 April 2009 at 11:22 am (UTC)
....... if anyone is offering a course on how to survive a zombie epidemic? or how to survive an alien invasion?
Mad Max Revisited.
[info]chiennoir wrote:
Thursday, 9 April 2009 at 11:55 am (UTC)
The trouble with survivalists is they seem to believe that survival simply means physical survival. For real adepts at survival, one could do worse than turn to hunter-gatherer communities. There you would learn that survival has a psychological and spiritual dimension, as well as a physical one. They also believed in co-operation. They didn't run around like a group of demented terminators. That's a Hobbesian view of how things were before people 'got wise' and gave up their freedoms to embrace greater 'security'. It's a fairytale. Those most likely to survive would be those who can learn something about the sociality of so-called primitive people and come together in a cooperative way. Without it, people would be running around like headless chickens, or like something out of a Mel Gibson movie.
Ignorance is not bliss...
[info]gaffgaff wrote:
Thursday, 9 April 2009 at 01:15 pm (UTC)
This article has disappointingly been taken by some at less than face value, and with a healthy dollop of narrow minded UK snobbery to boot. The loony survivalist stereotype doesn't even remotely scratch the service of what 'OnPoint Tactical LLC' are about or believe in.

Having done some quick research, I've found that some of the instructors in this company have spent considerable time with North and Central American indigenous peoples uncovering the techniques they have used to thrive happily for many centuries, before the rise of our supposedly indestructible civilisations. These guys advocate social cooperation and are very much supporters of the notion that those who work together are more likely to survive the unthinkable. They are nowhere near the bible-thumping, camo-creamed, pot-bellied stereotype that is being banded around here.

Surviving a life changing event takes a combination of luck, along with physical and psychological fortitude. Skill sets are there to be acquired and they don't come naturally to people who shop at Tesco and live in Hither Green.

Dismissing a collapse of society as some kind of nonsense that spins around every few years to frighten people is laughably naive. So many of the responses here underline the cosseted, insular world that many of us in developed nations take completely for granted.

In our recent history even the slightest shifts in the status-quo have brought about considerable unrest; Katrina, poll-tax riots, and the youth riots in France attest to that quite clearly. Moreover, if you're unlucky enough to be in the immediate vicinity of a sizeable natural disaster or terrorist attack, surely it would be better to know how to handle the situation than amble through the fog of fear like a lost lamb?

There is the very real threat that our societies are teetering on the brink of collective economic ruin. A situation that some respectable voices say is soon to be exacerbated by attempts to correct our economies politically. Although perhaps remote, bedlam IS a real threat. As a society of consumers who have lived way beyond our means, we have become, to a great degree, shallow and less prepared for hardship that could arise. So with that all in mind, I'm not sure that the humanistic, upper middle class notion of 'us all banding together' will prevail.

Sunday supplementeers who have no first hand experience of REAL poverty, or of the desperation that can drive a starving person to do unspeakable things, are probably the ones who need to read this book the most!

Choosing between a paintballing weekend to facilitate ?management cohesion? with tubby colleagues in combat trousers, or learning how to break into cars and get out of a dodgy area sharpish, is a no brainer.
Re: Ignorance is not bliss...
[info]balbkubrox wrote:
Thursday, 9 April 2009 at 02:06 pm (UTC)
"These guys advocate social cooperation and are very much supporters of the notion that those who work together are more likely to survive the unthinkable."

Not the ones I've met or whose literature I've read; either now or thirty years back. The "social cooperation" they have in mind is quite plainly that of an armed militia on Bosnian lines using the opportunity of a breakdown of social order in order to go out and do some score-settling with those whom they perceive as their enemies. In fact far from fearing social collapse, most of them seem to quite relish the idea.

I know one of them near where I live: a refugee firearms enthusiast from Alabama (...where there's a place for everything and everything in its place - and woe betide anyone who has any ideas about changing it). His gun dealership was put out of business by the 1997 Firearms Act, and since then he's been ear-bending anyone who will listen about the coming social breakdown which he foolishly imagines will cause HM Government to hand out automatic weapons to himself and his sinister gentleman-farmer pals banded together into a militia of right-thinking people, who can then go and conduct a cull of the local housing estates. This analysis shows such an eye-popping misapprehension as to how the British state would actually behave in such a crisis that you do have to wonder for the poor fellow's sanity.

theelectrician:

Someone I knew years back militarised a Citroen 2CV, fitting it with armour plate, painting it in camouflage colours, adorning it with spades and jerrycans etc. to a point where the thing would scarcely move at all and its performance at roundabouts had to be seen to be believed. Though seriously eccentric, he's a very nice chap and quite harmless, and I suspect the whole thing was devised as much as a p*ss-take against the military (he's an ex-soldier) as out of Survivalism. I did wonder once though, when he asked my advice on armouring it against landmines. I advised him to try pouring four inches of concrete into the floor.
Re: Ignorance is not bliss... - [info]humble_sparrow - Thursday, 9 April 2009 at 02:32 pm (UTC) Expand
Re: Ignorance is not bliss... - [info]gaffgaff - Friday, 10 April 2009 at 01:17 am (UTC) Expand
Re: Ignorance is not bliss... - [info]ancientoneuk - Thursday, 9 April 2009 at 09:53 pm (UTC) Expand
Re: Ignorance is not bliss... - [info]gaffgaff - Friday, 10 April 2009 at 01:25 am (UTC) Expand
I'm glad I live in the countryside...
[info]bb_matt wrote:
Thursday, 9 April 2009 at 06:40 pm (UTC)
What a terrible way to live your life - in fear.

I recently watched a documentary which featured an individual whose job it was to assess building safety in the event of fire. He was so paranoid, he would never book a hotel room above the sixth floor. He carried breathing apparatus wherever he went. He would walk the route from his Hotel room to a fire exit.

These types of paranoid survivalists are already mentally in the situation they hope to be prepared for. Due to the fact that they spend inordinate amounts of time and effort simply preparing for every eventuality, they have effectively put themselves into that situation, albeit it in a "dummy run" scenario.

Fortunately, statistics are firmly in the favour of those of us who choose to actually *live* life, as opposed to being afraid of it. I'll cope with any emergencies in my life using the standard medical emergency training.

If at any point, I find myself in a Mad Max scenario, requiring the need to pick locks and find hidden caches of weapons, food and water, I'll made do as best I can.
Until then, crack open the Bubbly, it's the long weekend!

Re: I'm glad I live in the countryside...
[info]gaffgaff wrote:
Friday, 10 April 2009 at 01:26 am (UTC)
"Fortunately, statistics are firmly in the favour of those of us who choose to actually *live* life, as opposed to being afraid of it."

Hi,

Could you point me in the direction of the 'statistics' that you mention here?

Cheers.
Survival is social
[info]living_fossil wrote:
Thursday, 9 April 2009 at 08:23 pm (UTC)
Join a Church. Even if you don't believe. Join a Church. Social capital determines your survival and all else is secondary. Humans build social capital through the vehicles of religion and ideology. Survival is more certain in a religion as these are long lived social tents with adaptable narratives.
Re: Survival is social
[info]esotericeric wrote:
Thursday, 9 April 2009 at 11:01 pm (UTC)
Survival is more certain in a religion as these are long lived social tents with adaptable narratives. .... Not neccessarily so. I saw a a documentary filmed during the Bosnian war. It showed how two communities, in a rural village, had lived together in harmony for 40 years. One Muslim the other Catholic. The presenter (Toni Bringa) had spent time with this community. At first we see them waving to eachother on the road and describing how their children from both communities played together stayed in each others houses over night. Within the space of six weeks the houses of the Muslims had been destroyed and gun turrets were installed on the hill side where the children used to play. The Muslims were in hiding or had fled or been killed by their neighbours. The sad fact is a society faced with total breakdown will go through stages of pulling together only for a while untill there is a scarcity of basic needs to survive. Our present society seems to be collapsing around our ears and this notion is being fed to us daily. To a point we distrust everyone. Fear of the diminishing environment, religious fundamentalists, killer plagues we consume it all willingly. If the bomb drops Im going to be running as close to the point of impact as I can. Its over in a tenth of a second better that than trying to crawl to my catch only to find I didnt have a one handed tin opener.
Oh ma gawd
[info]ancientoneuk wrote:
Thursday, 9 April 2009 at 09:42 pm (UTC)
My best advice to those contemplating this is to buy two books, one the SAS Survival Handbook that Asda's used to sell, the other is possibly a book on plants and fungi identification, perhaps a book to on animal husbandry wouldn't go amiss either...

Your three main requirements are: Water - Food - Warmth/Shelter, that is all you need to survive anything, without water you will die, without food you will die slowly, without viable shelter sooner or later the British winter will kill you.

It doesn't end there either, you have to purify your water, your food has to be prepared and cooked, survival isn't a game, its life or death and trite articles on this area are more than misleading as the people who read it think thats all it takes to keep them and their families alive.

Then you have to think about defence, if you have lots of lovely fruit and veg, sooner or later someone who hasn't will want some of that, they aren't going to ask nicely...

As for escape and evade... Some of the above is pretty basic, again telling people to practice cornering at speed isn't a good idea, remember the old rule... in like a lamb and out like a lion, in any pursuit it is likely that they will have a very good car for the job, heavy, sports trimmed and plenty of power, you are just not going to win against those odds and the vehicle will be lesser protection than evening the odds and getting out and losing yourself amongst crowds, vegetation, housing etc the key is to lose their visible mark on you, then they are blind and will have to trust to luck or start a dedicated and controlled search pattern and you have to move directly away from that epicentre as quickly as possible, every mile you cover forces them to search 10 in a radius...
Prepared or paranoid - who cares!
[info]jeffhack wrote:
Saturday, 11 April 2009 at 06:08 am (UTC)
Okay naysayers, I'm not prepared for WSHTF or EOTWAWKI yet, but I'm the father of 3 kids and my wife and I have responsibilities. Let's say that we prepare and nothing happens - okay, we wasted some time and money. Let's say something does happen - where will you be when you and all of your neighbors and friends have missed 9 meals in a row? (Seriously, think about it!)
Re: Prepared or paranoid - who cares!
[info]concretedave wrote:
Saturday, 11 April 2009 at 06:46 am (UTC)
I'll be sitting on my porch in the rocking chair. Sipping my nice cold iced-tea with my shot-gun in my lap.

9 meals? Who cares. Try 9 hours without water. I'm sure it can be done. Maybe 12. But, thirst will make people crazy before hunger does.
Shocking
[info]da_mann10 wrote:
Saturday, 11 April 2009 at 04:14 pm (UTC)
I'm stunned there's a Brit cool enough to take this class. From reading the comments here, it's obvious that balls are in short supply on that loser island.
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