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Georgia welcomes 'President Garcia'

Shooting starts in Tbilisi for Hollywood take on last year's war with Russia

By William Dunbar in Tbilisi

Andy Garcia performs in Tbilisi as Georgian President Mikheil Saakashvili during a shooting of scenes for a film about the Russian-Georgian war last year

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Andy Garcia performs in Tbilisi as Georgian President Mikheil Saakashvili during a shooting of scenes for a film about the Russian-Georgian war last year

Andy Garcia is playing a very different type of leading man this week. The Hollywood star, best known for his very American roles in The Untouchables and Ocean's 11, has taken on the part of Georgia's flamboyant leader Mikheil Saakashvili in a big-budget film about last year's Russian-Georgian war.

Filming in Georgia's capital, Tbilisi, began in earnest this week with a crowd of thousands of volunteer extras, who had gathered to stage a huge mock rally. Garcia was in full Saakashvili mode, intoning lines that would seem boilerplate were it not for the fact that they are more-or-less direct cribs from Saakashvili's actual speeches.

"Tonight, do not be deceived, we are not alone," Garcia told his pseudo-supporters, who were re-creating a demonstration that took place outside the country's parliament on 12 August last year.

But whereas on that occasion there were Russian tanks moving towards the city, this time there was a party atmosphere. The crowd, mainly made up of families and young people, dutifully cheered on cue, and looked on with amazement at the way the centre of their city had been turned into a massive movie set. With a budget of some $32m (£19m), this is the biggest film ever produced in Georgia, and many had come just to watch the spectacle.

Provisionally entitled simply Georgia, the film is being made by Renny Harlin, director of Die Hard 2 and Cliffhanger, as well as mega-flop Cutthroat Island. It follows a journalist and cameraman as they struggle to remain impartial in the heat of battle.

The film-makers have stressed that this movie will have a strongly anti-war message, but there are fears that it could be a vehicle for the Georgian government's version of events. This view is reinforced by the fact that the government has put public buildings and military units at the disposal of the film-makers, and that one of the co-producers, Papuna Davitaia, is an MP from the president's party. Nor will the film be the first to address the subject: a strongly pro-Moscow take on the war, Olympus Inferno, ran on Russian state television earlier this year.

That film placed the blame for the conflict squarely on Georgian shoulders, and many still hold Mr Saakashvili responsible today. The war began when Georgia attacked the separatist region of South Ossetia, claiming that Russian troops had crossed the border. A recent fact-finding report commissioned by the EU found that both Russia and Georgia were responsible for the war, which claimed hundreds of lives.

Salome Zourabichvili, a former foreign minister turned opposition leader, is one of those who holds Mr Saakashvili responsible. She posted on social networking site Facebook that by agreeing to the film he had followed a "real war" with a "bad taste replay", and suggested it was just too soon to recreate the events of the war for the big screen.

For most Georgians though, the movie has brought a sprinkle of show-business glamour to the post-war situation. Posting on one of the many internet discussions on the movie, "Tamuna K" had nothing but praise for the film, and a wistful request: "I have a proposal," she said. "Let Garcia stay here and be president, Saakashvili can fly to Hollywood."

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I wonder how much Georgia paid for this
[info]pordus wrote:
Thursday, 22 October 2009 at 12:28 am (UTC)
They could not pay the European commission to get the result they wanted,
but they can pay Hollywood to popularize Saakashvilli's lies. I wonder if the movie will show how Georgia started this war by shelling sleeping Tshinvalli. At least this is exactly what the EU commission found out.
Re: I wonder how much Georgia paid for this
[info]pordus wrote:
Thursday, 22 October 2009 at 02:49 am (UTC)
I forgot that Georgian government gets most of its money from the US anyway, so some of that money could have been directly sent to Hollywood. Moreover, the US government directly provoked that war and they are in the same ship with Saakashvilli. So a good propaganda piece from Hollywood would work well for internal consumption in the US (where the main findings of the EU commission were not even spelled out). Totally worth the investment.
Re: I wonder how much Georgia paid for this
[info]daikide wrote:
Thursday, 22 October 2009 at 05:04 am (UTC)
Lol, calm down Russian zombie. ;)
Re: I wonder how much Georgia paid for this
[info]pordus wrote:
Thursday, 22 October 2009 at 12:05 pm (UTC)
Sounds like a line from that movie :)
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Re: I wonder how much Georgia paid for this
[info]find_empire wrote:
Thursday, 22 October 2009 at 07:40 am (UTC)
Putin should have taken Tblisi and hanged the bastard from his balls like he said he would. You Russians knew what the Yanks & Saakashvili were up to, you should have filmed the whole thing as evidence and arrested the bum at the very least. Now you have to deal with this Hollywood propaganda. Why don't you get smart and use some of that oil money to produce some Hollywood movies yourselves? Say, a political thriller about CIA-paid fascists posing as "people power" revolutionaries unseating elected governments?
Re: I wonder how much Georgia paid for this
[info]pordus wrote:
Thursday, 22 October 2009 at 12:16 pm (UTC)
Why bother? Most people (at least in Europe) know this by know anyway.
Re: I wonder how much Georgia paid for this - [info]daikide - Friday, 23 October 2009 at 02:30 am (UTC) Expand
Re: I wonder how much Georgia paid for this
[info]daikide wrote:
Friday, 23 October 2009 at 02:20 am (UTC)
They just bribe people, it's the Russian way.
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Re: I wonder how much Georgia paid for this - [info]pordus - Saturday, 24 October 2009 at 01:57 am (UTC) Expand
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Re: I wonder how much Georgia paid for this - [info]pordus - Saturday, 24 October 2009 at 03:36 pm (UTC) Expand
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Re: I wonder how much Georgia paid for this
[info]toko_11 wrote:
Tuesday, 27 October 2009 at 08:06 pm (UTC)
Fuck you bastard you speak like if Georgia was USA you know what ?! take your holy wood your Russia and your USA and go to hell together. Georgia just wants peace in its borders so everyone just F... off
Will Georgia provide the authentic tie?
[info]pordus wrote:
Thursday, 22 October 2009 at 12:22 pm (UTC)
I wonder if Georgian government so generously providing access to all public facilities will also share the original "tie"? Or Andy Garcia would refuse to chew it after Saakashvilli and prefer to get a new one instead? :)
Re: Will Georgia provide the authentic tie?
[info]daikide wrote:
Friday, 23 October 2009 at 02:22 am (UTC)
Maybe, but if honestly a "tie" is NOT the most important part of this story. It's a story about barbarians from Russia invading a small neighboring country just as in 1993:

http://www.ireport.com/docs/DOC-152958
Re: Will Georgia provide the authentic tie? - [info]pordus - Friday, 23 October 2009 at 04:42 am (UTC) Expand
(no subject) - [info]sgrigorenko - Thursday, 22 October 2009 at 01:47 am (UTC) Expand
for Russian's to read
[info]datotsanava09 wrote:
Thursday, 22 October 2009 at 04:07 am (UTC)
I see a lot of Russians think this was the so called "propaganda" movie by Georgia and US to show Russia as an aggressor but Russia is an aggressor you do not need a movie to prove that and everyone in the world knows it. Ask anyone in Eastern Europe. The Movie is for us the Georgians the Americans and the rest of the civilized world to enjoy. The real propaganda was the Russian movie and this is how Russians think in propaganda terms. After all people see things the way they are not as things are so those who think this is a propaganda are propaganda children i.e. entire population of Russian Federation, if they weren't they wouldn't "elect" a fake president to "lead" their Country.
Just can't bring yourself to say Saakashvili started the war, can you?
[info]find_empire wrote:
Thursday, 22 October 2009 at 07:17 am (UTC)
The Indy regurgitates the same old stinking lie over and over again: "A recent fact-finding report commissioned by the EU found that both Russia and Georgia were responsible for the war".

Here's what the EU actually said:
"Open hostilities began with a large-scale Georgian military operation against the town of Tskhinvali and the surrounding areas, launched in the night of 7 to 8 August 2008, the report concluded.

"There is the question of whether the use of force by Georgia in South Ossetia was justifiable under international law. It was not."

Heidi Tagliavini, the Swiss diplomat who led the EU "mission", rejected Georgian claims that it was defending itself from an imminent Russian attack or violence from Moscow sponsored South Ossetian militias.

"None of the explanations given by the Georgian authorities in order to provide some form of legal justification for the attack lend it a valid explanation," she said.
Re: Just can't bring yourself to say Saakashvili started the war, can you?
[info]daikide wrote:
Friday, 23 October 2009 at 02:36 am (UTC)
NONONO, READ that report yourself! As soon as that report went live (Even MONTHS earlier) papers like Der Spiegel, German Zietung and others had this nasty campaign about "leaked" news that "Georgia would be guilty" in that report...

Well as soon as it went out all this nasty propaganda
went to another level. There where still some people who have actually read the report. People like:

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704471504574446582737784064.html
Re: Just can't bring yourself to say Saakashvili started the war, can you?
[info]daikide wrote:
Friday, 23 October 2009 at 02:37 am (UTC)
This week's much-anticipated European Union-commissioned report into the causes of the Russian-Georgian war of August 2008 predictably spread the blame for the conflict around. While Georgia was also censured, the text is devastating to Russia's narrative of the conflict.

Assisted by a small army of experts, Swiss diplomat Heidi Tagliavini has spent close to a year investigating the origins of the war that initially shocked Europe but then was relatively quickly forgotten in the midst of the global economic crisis that succeeded it. As expected, both sides have claimed that the 40-page report?with a thousand pages of appendices?vindicates their version of events. Yet anyone who bothers to read the document will find that the Tagliavini Commission apportions the overwhelming part of the responsibility for the conflict on Moscow. In fact, it rejects practically every item in Russia's version of what supposedly happened last year.

The press has so far focused on the commission's conclusion that Georgia started the war. That should, however, not be confused with the question of responsibility: Firing the first shot does not necessarily mean being the aggressor. The report acknowledges this, concluding that, "there is no way to assign overall responsibility for the conflict to one side alone." The report details the extended series of Russian provocations, accelerating in the spring of 2008, that precipitated the war.

The report faults Georgia for lacking a legal basis for its attack on the South Ossetian capital of Tskhinvali, and for the use of indiscriminate force there. But on the crucial Georgian claim that it was responding to a Russian invasion, the report equivocates: The mission is "not in a position" to consider the Georgian claims "sufficiently substantiated." This is an exercise in semantics, since the next sentences acknowledge that Russia provided military training and equipment to the rebels, and that "volunteers and mercenaries" entered Georgian territory from Russia before the Georgian attack. One is left wondering what would be necessary for a spade to be called a spade.

But the report is far more devastating in its dismissal of Russia's justification for its invasion?in fact surprisingly so for an EU product. As will be recalled, Russia variously claimed it was protecting its citizens; engaging in a humanitarian intervention; responding to a Georgian "genocide" of Ossetians; or responding to an attack on its peacekeepers. The EU report finds that because Russia's distribution of passports to Abkhazians and Ossetians in the years prior to the war was illegal, its rationale of rescuing its "citizens" is invalid as they were not legally Russian. It also concludes that Moscow's claim of humanitarian intervention cannot be recognized "at all," in particular given the Kremlin's past opposition to the entire concept of humanitarian intervention.

The list goes on. The report finds Russian allegations of genocide founded in neither law nor evidence. In other words, they're not true. And whereas the report does acknowledge a Russian right to protect its peacekeepers, it finds that Moscow's response "cannot be regarded as even remotely commensurate with the threat to Russian peacekeepers in South Ossetia." On the other hand, it faults Russia for failing to intervene against the ethnic cleansing of Georgians from South Ossetia and Abkhazia that took place during and after the war. Finally, it castigates Russia's recognition of the independence of the two breakaway territories as illegal, and as a dangerous erosion of the principles of international law.

Re: Just can't bring yourself to say Saakashvili started the war, can you?
[info]daikide wrote:
Friday, 23 October 2009 at 02:37 am (UTC)
In sum, the official EU inquiry found that none of Russia's various justifications for its invasion of Georgia hold water, and also faults Russia's behavior following the conflict, as Moscow continues to be in material breach of the EU-negotiated cease-fire agreement. While the report will be of great use to historians, its main implications should concern the present, because just as the war did not begin in August 2008, the conflict between Russia and Georgia is not over. While the war's military phase only lasted a few weeks, it continues in the diplomatic, political, and economic realms. Russia successfully evicted the international community from the conflict zones and expanded its military presence in Abkhazia and South Ossetia, building large bases there. Its economic warfare against Georgia continues, as does its efforts at subversion inside the country. Most importantly, Russia's stated objective of regime change and the effective termination of Georgia's sovereignty goes on.

This conflict continues to destabilize a part of Europe to which the West has so far not paid sufficient attention. The EU, now engaged also on the ground in Georgia, must go beyond reluctantly accepting, as it has, that this conflict is a European problem. It needs to overcome its internal divisions and pursue a cohesive strategy toward Georgia?one that takes its basis in the country's European identity and aspirations, as well as its right to sovereignty and security. As for the White House, it would ignore at its own peril one of the EU report's final conclusions: "Notions such as privileged spheres of interest...are irreconcilable with international law. They are dangerous to international peace and stability. They should be rejected."

And doing so will take more than words and the scrapping of missile shields?it will take the type of serious engagement that neither the EU not the U.S. have so far been willing to pursue.
Re: Just can't bring yourself to say Saakashvili started the war, can you?
[info]pordus wrote:
Friday, 23 October 2009 at 05:13 am (UTC)
Oh please, who needs your 900 page long analysis of the report. Most people can read enough of the report to get a pretty good idea what it says without your interpretations.
Re: Just can't bring yourself to say Saakashvili started the war, can you?
[info]toko_11 wrote:
Tuesday, 27 October 2009 at 08:14 pm (UTC)
That is not Saakashvili it was Georgia who opened fire... why because Russian soldiers were killing Georgian people in south ossetia (confused? well 70% people living in S.ossetia were Georgians before the war) so Russian, so called peace keepers(but really bandits) and separatists murdered about 50 Georgian citizens that summer. and that's why Georgia opened the war and Im proud of it because we didn't get chickened out by 10 times bigger army that was standing in the roki tunnel that's how it was and now go to hell .....
the truth
[info]mtarvali wrote:
Thursday, 22 October 2009 at 08:02 am (UTC)
Anyone who sees this movey will hate Russia more then before! And that's all about why Nazi Russians are furious!

:)
Re: the truth
[info]pordus wrote:
Thursday, 22 October 2009 at 11:51 am (UTC)
and making Russians furious is the only thing can make a nationalist in Georgia happy.
Re: the truth
[info]daikide wrote:
Friday, 23 October 2009 at 02:24 am (UTC)
"and making Russians furious is the only thing can make a nationalist in Georgia happy."

- Says who? Don't fkn invade our country, get the fk out! and NOBODY will EVER CARE ABOUT ur shitty Russian Pederation!
Re: the truth - [info]pordus - Friday, 23 October 2009 at 04:25 am (UTC) Expand
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[info]l_barker wrote:
Thursday, 22 October 2009 at 01:15 pm (UTC)
Exist films:
"War 08/08/08: The Art of Betrayal" http://war080808.com/ - weak movie but documentary
"Olympus Inferno" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7aOodLPmVJM - only trailer

Very interesting to see other, new movies - georgians, ossetians, americans, russians.
[info]daikide wrote:
Friday, 23 October 2009 at 02:26 am (UTC)
Well two Russian "movies" about how Georgians are bad and how Pukin is good. Just show this "movie" to any of the RUssian massacred nations... Chechens, Ingushetians, Dagestanians or ANYBODY in Beslan... Come ON people! IT IS RUSSIA! AND KGB scum like PUTIN IS IT'S LORD! WHEN did they even care about human lives???!
Take easy.
[info]l_barker wrote:
Friday, 23 October 2009 at 04:30 am (UTC)
Take't easy, buddy.
This TV movies.
TV people filming it.
I am happy to see any Georgian or Ossetian movies.
Only one remark.
May be better to shoot documentary films - not art, not fantasy.
The war was... ... yesterday.
More documents, witnesses - less fictions.
Re: Take easy. - [info]daikide - Friday, 23 October 2009 at 05:48 am (UTC) Expand
Need films about war :) - [info]l_barker - Friday, 23 October 2009 at 05:59 am (UTC) Expand
Re: Need films about war :) - [info]daikide - Friday, 23 October 2009 at 07:12 am (UTC) Expand
Re: Need films about war :) - [info]l_barker - Friday, 23 October 2009 at 07:22 am (UTC) Expand
Re: Need films about war :) - [info]daikide - Friday, 23 October 2009 at 08:03 am (UTC) Expand
Not about - [info]l_barker - Friday, 23 October 2009 at 06:14 am (UTC) Expand
Re: Not about - [info]daikide - Friday, 23 October 2009 at 07:08 am (UTC) Expand
Re: Not about - [info]l_barker - Friday, 23 October 2009 at 07:13 am (UTC) Expand
Re: Not about - [info]daikide - Friday, 23 October 2009 at 08:05 am (UTC) Expand
Re: Not about - [info]pordus - Friday, 23 October 2009 at 11:32 am (UTC) Expand
Re: Not about - [info]daikide - Friday, 23 October 2009 at 03:15 pm (UTC) Expand
Re: Not about - [info]pordus - Saturday, 24 October 2009 at 01:50 am (UTC) Expand
Re: Not about - [info]daikide - Saturday, 24 October 2009 at 07:42 am (UTC) Expand
Re: Not about - [info]pordus - Saturday, 24 October 2009 at 03:28 pm (UTC) Expand
Re: Not about - [info]daikide - Saturday, 24 October 2009 at 04:34 pm (UTC) Expand
Re: Not about - [info]pordus - Saturday, 24 October 2009 at 04:52 pm (UTC) Expand
Re: Not about - [info]daikide - Sunday, 25 October 2009 at 09:21 am (UTC) Expand
Do you want the facts about this war?
[info]georgiadoc wrote:
Tuesday, 17 November 2009 at 06:11 pm (UTC)
Not everything out there is propaganda. There’s an objective documentary that looks at this war and the fallout for Saakashvili. Check out some clips…

http://baddogtales.com/mishaversusmoscow.html

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