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The Big Question: Will it really be possible to meet the G8's climate change targets?

By Michael McCarthy, Environment Editor


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Why are we asking this now?

Because the leaders of the rich countries, at their meeting in Italy, have just made a great headline-grabbing pledge to cut their emissions of carbon dioxide, in the fight against climate change, by 80 per cent by 2050.

Why shouldn't that be realistic?

Because it is not at all clear what "80 per cent" means; it sounds like a terrific reduction, but 80 per cent of what? It might be taken to mean cutting emissions back to 80 per cent of what they are today, or what they were in 2000, say; while what UN climate scientists and environmental campaigners think is necessary, is to cut them back to 80 per cent of what they were in 1990, and that's a much tougher call (though it should be said that Britain has pledged to do this). Have a close look at the wording of the G8 communiqué issued after the agreement.

So what is the key part of the communiqué?

The leaders say in paragraph 65: "We also support a goal of developed countries reducing emissions of greenhouse gases in aggregate by 80 per cent or more by 2050 compared to 1990 or more recent years [our italics]." Those last four words, put in to keep all parties happy, especially the more reluctant ones, and make sure agreement was reached, in effect render the commitment so imprecise as to be meaningless.

How so?

Since 1990 global CO2 emissions, especially in the US, have soared, and the difference between a cut on a 2009 baseline and a cut on a 1990 baseline is enormous – hundreds of millions of tonnes of CO2. To be fair, the communiqué also says that for countries making reductions, "efforts need to be comparable". Yet at the moment the G8 does indeed have a big headline-grabbing target, but nobody knows what it really is.

Is there anything else that's unrealistic about it?

Yes. There are no interim targets, no steps marked out along the way. It's the easiest thing in the world for politicians to get together and promise to do something 41 years from now; none of them will be around to take the blame if it doesn't happen (there's a good acronym for it – Nimtoo, or Not In My Time Of Office). Pledging to reach a certain stage along the way by a certain date not very far in the future, on the other hand, is much more demanding and much more of a hostage to fortune, and perhaps it is no surprise that the G8 leaders have shied away from it.

So what are they saying they will do?

They promise to undertake "robust mid-term reductions", but they don't say what or when. This has not only attracted criticism from the environmental lobby, but more importantly, it is also being seen as a lack of good faith by the developing countries led by China and India, whose own emissions are growing enormously, but who will only agree to cut them if they are convinced that the developed world is showing the way.

But can targets ever be precise?

Yes: the European Union has agreed to cut its emissions by 20 per cent by 2020, rising to 30 per cent if a global deal is secured at the major climate conference in Copenhagen in December, while Britain has agreed an interim target by 2020 of 34 per cent, which may rise to 42 per cent after a deal; this is currently the most ambitious climate target of any country in the world. But not so the G8.

So are the G8's climate pronouncements just so much hot air?

No, they're not; they mark a welcome step forward. The wealthy countries have come together to recognise the desirability of holding global warming to two degrees Celsius above the pre-industrial level – this is the first time that this has been done, and was never possible, for example, while George W Bush was US President.

Barack Obama has made the difference, and the mood music is changing, which is a hopeful sign that a serious agreement may eventually be possible. The agreement to cut emissions "by 80 per cent" is also an important part of that mood music: it's just important to be clear-eyed about exactly what it means.

How would we go about an 80 per cent C02 reduction once it was properly agreed?

This will be the greatest common enterprise on which humanity has ever embarked. To bring it about you might instinctively think windfarms, or solar panels, or electric cars, and they're all on the way and important, but the basic tool is really a more abstract one: the price of carbon, as determined by markets such as that of the European Union's Emissions Trading Scheme (ETS).

Why is that so important?

Nicholas Stern, in his groundbreaking report on the economics of climate change, said that global warming represented the greatest market failure in history: the true cost of emitting carbon dioxide was not remotely reflected in its price. As the governments in the ETS (and later, we hope, the US and elsewhere) squeeze the amount of CO2 companies are allowed to emit each year, the rising price of permits will drive the efforts to do without it, throughout society; it will drive the necessary behaviour changes by consumers, from transport, to heating choice, to diet (Oxfam points out, for example, how large is the carbon footprint of a steak compared to the same amount of calories produced from vegetarian sources).

Behaviour change is one of the two ways forward, yet despite the fervent hopes of "deep greens", it will need state or market intervention to make most people change their ways. The ultimate (and fair) way of doing it would be to give everyone the same personal "carbon allowance" which they can use as they wish; this is a long way off in practical terms, but as global warming gets worse, it may yet appear on the agenda.

What's the other way forward?

Technological fixes. Nuclear power and the coming technology of carbon capture and storage may – stress the "may" – mean we can carry on with our electricity-based lifestyle while slashing our emissions, as renewable energy on its own is unlikely to be sufficient. Electric motors and hydrogen fuel cells may allow us to maintain private car mobility, carbon-free, on the roads.

Aviation is a lot more difficult: the aviation industry sees biofuels as its get-out-of-jail card, but their expansion shows every sign of drastically pushing up food prices, never mind wrecking the rainforest. Getting aviation emissions down may ultimately mean restricting people's ability to fly, a very difficult job for any politician to undertake. It is becoming obvious that technological fixes are much preferred by politicians to asking people to change their behaviour; it is dawning on them that no one ever got elected by asking voters to make do with less.

Is an 80 per cent cut in emissions just pie in the sky?

Yes...

* It's not realistic until we know precisely what it means – an 80 per cent cut of what baseline?

*It's hardly realistic if there are no interim targets. Without those, action is easily deferred

* Emissions are growing so fast that such a huge cut becomes harder every year

No...

* The world already has the technology to do it; all that is needed is the political will

* New low-carbon technologies will increasingly come on stream, easing the task for us all

* The pressure to cut emissions will increase as the impacts of global warming become more severe

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Possible?
[info]had_it wrote:
Friday, 10 July 2009 at 07:35 am (UTC)
Physically possible? Perhaps.
Politically possible? No.
This will be another Kyoto: nice words followed by an increase in emissions by almost all of the signatories.
More Lies, Lies and Damn Lies
[info]soaring_eagle1 wrote:
Friday, 10 July 2009 at 07:41 am (UTC)
This is more rubbish, they needed to be tougher now, we are all ready in deep trouble, we cannot wait until 2050.

This is just talk talk again there is never any walk walk.

We need to stop all air travel, make sure that companies review their practice get green energy installed, cut vehicular traffic to nil and this all has to go into law now.

Without this the planet and the human race may not have a future.

Too little far too late!
Re: More Lies, Lies and Damn Lies
[info]sticktoscience wrote:
Friday, 10 July 2009 at 09:33 am (UTC)
Oh yes, we're all doomed. Just look at this hockey stick.

http://krusekronicle.typepad.com/kruse_kronicle/images/2008/03/17/le01.gif

I once read a saying: "Don't take life too seriously. Whatever you do, you won't get out alive!". Well, while this will always be true, at least we're getting more of it than ever before.


Accompanying graphic
[info]simonperry wrote:
Friday, 10 July 2009 at 08:20 am (UTC)
This article would be far more effective if the accompanying graph image was readable. When you click on "enlarge" you're presented with an image actually smaller than the one on the article page.
Embarassing
[info]sticktoscience wrote:
Friday, 10 July 2009 at 08:51 am (UTC)
The pledge is not credible, and it is simply comical that journalists give it any credibility. Since the Kyoto pledges, emissions have only gone up. (off-setting, and trading don't count). What are you thinking of? Major changes in our lifestyles would be needed. Do you see any sign of that? Prince Charles was praised thsi week for a speech on how we need to save the world. But until people like him (Gore, Blair, Stern, even NGO leaders) demonstrate any true degree of personal sacrifice, the words are really just hot air.

The consolation however is that while the CO2 reduction targets will not be met (in fact CO2 emissions will be higher in the G8 countries in 2050 than now), the temperature will not have exceeded the 2 degC.
Re: Embarassing
[info]uanime5 wrote:
Friday, 10 July 2009 at 11:38 am (UTC)
The 2 degrees C increase is a global average increase, so the temperature will increase more in areas closer to the equator and less in the north and south poles.
Don't be conned!
[info]timonsays wrote:
Friday, 10 July 2009 at 12:46 pm (UTC)
The main problem countries, in terms of increasing CO2 emissions, are China and India. These two countries (and especially China) are increasing their CO2 output.

The CO2 emitted by Britain during the industrial revolution is not the problem. The problem is TODAY'S emissions, and the fact that they are GROWING - and the countries responsible are China and India. Yes, China is increasing its use of sustainable energy too, but it is nevertheless still increasing its CO2 output.

If Britain were to shut down completely and produce no CO2 whatsoever, within a couple of years China would have made up the difference. It is clear that nothing we do will make the slightest difference. Unless we can persuade - or force - China and India to stop increasing their CO2 output then we might as well forget about doing anyting ourselves.

These scum are now trying to blackmail us into paying them for cutting down on their CO2 output, and even then they refuse to cut down as much as us. This is utterly unacceptable behaviour.

The only answer is to tell China and India that unless they put a complete stop to any increase in CO2 emissions then we will STOP ALL TRADE WITH THEM. Without trade with the G8 nations neither China nor India would increase their industrial output, and hence their CO2 emissions would actually shrink.

If we are REALLY concerned about CO2 therefore, this is the only solution. Until and unless the government bans all trade with China and India unless they stop increasing their CO2 emissions then I will know that the government doesn't really care about this problem and there is no reason for us to do anything.
Re: Don't be conned!
[info]topolcats wrote:
Friday, 10 July 2009 at 03:35 pm (UTC)
Look I don't fundamentally disagree with you but can we talk sensibly and without malice please. First the West will never say lets not trade, or stop trade. This is a fact and to dream the political party's would even consider this is a no brainer. Its been the argument with new industrialized states like China and India to argue and I should say the argument certainly has merit. That the industrialized country's have been polluting for years such as USA, Western Europe, Japan etc to the extent there economy's grew. Leading to this point in time where the issue of Global warming is becoming critical. New Industrialized country's are saying you have polluted for ever and a day, and that fact is highly accurate. So now you say we cant pollute when it involves our involving industrialization. One thinks you have to admit they have a point. At this point it seems hopeless.
'Just add lime to the sea'
[info]thorntongate wrote:
Friday, 10 July 2009 at 09:51 pm (UTC)
The addiction to growth is such that schemes like carbon capture and - the latest nostrum - adding lime to the sea in vast quantities, would need unquantified amounts of energy. Surely a self-defeating idea?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2009/jul/06/lime-sea-carbon-dioxide-emissions

Ocean 'fertilisation' - dumping vast quantities of iron filings into the sea - has already been tried and apparently made no difference without much take-up of CO2.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/7959570.stm

Then there's carbon capture. It seems that - at forty miles from the coast - Drax is too far away it to feasible.

We're in a duble bind, there's plenty of the kind of fuels we should stop using, and precious little of the kinds we might start using.

While Brown and his ilk hope that the private sector - the market - will deliver the changes, then we really are lost. Well done Gordon, money that might have kick-started renewables has been blown on the banks.
CO2 Plan Please
[info]redroseandy wrote:
Saturday, 11 July 2009 at 04:08 am (UTC)
There is no point in making targets when Governments have not adopted Near-Zero CO2 plans. Tony Blair says that he has read many of them, but in ten years never adopted one. I wrote to him all this time about mine and did not even get constructive criticism. We could have set the target ten years earlier and the politicans are gambling with our lives on the issue.
The Big Question: Will it really be possible to meet the G8's climate change targets?
[info]famulla wrote:
Saturday, 11 July 2009 at 05:01 pm (UTC)
If all heave with Al Gore
I thank you
Firozali A. Mulla
call Al Gore please
[info]famulla wrote:
Saturday, 11 July 2009 at 05:08 pm (UTC)
He started thuis where is he?Let us talk of the spending these days all advocate. Brown says spend, spend to save. I disagree with spending and saving as I think spending is for pleasure, the economic term, my choice. The saving is forced by the government. Is this democracy? I wonder. How will we agree the stock with cash flow?
I thank you
Firozali A. Mulla


Inexpensive energy is what creates economic (and population)growth
[info]historybuff2 wrote:
Sunday, 12 July 2009 at 02:31 am (UTC)
The huge increase in the worlds economic growth and population are directly attributable to the harnessing of carbon based energy (steam, internal combustion, electricity production etc). If wealthy countries cut back on carbon based energy production, the supplies of coal, oil, etc would stabilise or fall, and would be moped up by 'developing' countries anyway, as the producers of these would stiil need to produce and sell them, especially as many of them rely on them for most of their foreign currency reserves and income. Let's not ignore or throw out the window some basic economic theory here.....
Near-Zero CO2 Plan
[info]redroseandy wrote:
Monday, 13 July 2009 at 04:14 am (UTC)
Governments can only reach their targets if they adopt Near-Zero CO2 Plans now.
A little less conversation...
[info]global_changes wrote:
Tuesday, 14 July 2009 at 03:48 pm (UTC)
Less talk and more action on climate change please.
(no subject) - [info]iq_tests - Monday, 20 July 2009 at 05:00 pm (UTC) Expand

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