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Wind power plan blown off course

Closure of turbine factory undermines Government's green pledges

By Michael McCarthy and Nigel Morris

The goverment's commitment to wind farms is being questioned as the Vestas factory on the Isle of Wight faces closure

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The goverment's commitment to wind farms is being questioned as the Vestas factory on the Isle of Wight faces closure

The Government was facing a growing credibility gap over green jobs last night as environmental campaigners and trade unionists united to fight the closure of Britain's sole major wind turbine plant.

Only last week, ministers proclaimed a green employment future for the UK involving 400,000 jobs in environmental industries such as renewable energy – yet this week they are declining to intervene over the forthcoming closure of the Vestas Wind Systems plant on the Isle of Wight, with nearly 600 redundancies.

Workers at the Newport factory, which makes wind turbine blades, were last night staging their third night of occupation of the plant in an attempt to prevent the closure which is scheduled for 31 July. In an alliance not seen before, they were being helped by climate-change campaigners who have set up an ad hoc camp outside the factory and yesterday helped to get food to the occupiers.

Vestas, a Danish company which is the world's biggest wind energy group, announced in April it was pulling out of the UK, citing the difficulties of getting wind farms built in Britain in the face of local "Nimby" opposition campaigns and the slowness of the planning system.

"A problem we are facing is our inability to get planning consent," said a senior company executive. "We needed a stable long-term market and that was not there in the UK. We have made clear to the Government that we need a market. We do not need money."

Several weeks before the closure announcement, Vestas bosses led by the chief executive, Ditlev Engle, went to 10 Downing Street for a high-level meeting attended by the Energy and Climate Change Secretary, Ed Miliband, where they made specific demands for more direct government support. When this was not forthcoming, the closure was announced.

While the Government may not have felt able to respond to what were in effect threats from a private manufacturing company, the consequence of allowing the country's major wind energy manufacturing plant to fold has attracted ferocious criticism from the green movement.

This was not least because of the prospect that the 7,000 or so wind turbines Britain will install over the next decade to help meet its climate-change targets will have to come from abroad, even though last week both Mr Miliband and the Business Secretary, Lord Mandelson, launching the Government's climate strategy, went to great lengths to stress the green business opportunities of Britain becoming a low-carbon economy.

"Last week Labour promised Britain would install thousands of wind turbines in the coming years. Are ministers really now saying they'd rather buy those turbines from abroad than make them here in the UK?" said Robin Oakley, head of the Greepeace climate campaign. "Letting this factory close is like a football manager saying he's up for the cup then dropping his only goal scorer. It just doesn't make sense.

"It is factories like this and engineers like the ones occupying it that Britain desperately needs if ministers are serious about launching a green industrial revolution."

Caroline Lucas, the Green Party leader and the Isle of Wight's MEP, sent a message of support to the workers and called for immediate government intervention to save the factory from closure. "The decision to close the facility represents a spectacular failure by government ministers to adequately promote green industries, and protect the future of manufacturing in this country," she said.

Nick Clegg, the Liberal Democrat leader, said: "This closure exposes the hollow truth of Labour's climate change strategy." Five Labour MPs have already signed a Commons motion protesting against the closure.

A spokeswoman for the Department of Energy and Climate Change said the company had taken a commercial decision to reduce its production capacity across northern Europe. She acknowledged there were "cultural and planning issues" behind the construction of wind farms, but promised they would be tackled by the climate strategy. She said: "We are hopeful Vestas will go ahead with their plans for a research and development facility on the Isle of Wight which could provide up to a further 300 jobs and also help develop and test products that are suitable for the UK offshore market."

Vestas erected a fence around the site in response to the protest. Workers claimed it was being put up to stop food or drink being sent in. One said: "We are convinced this is against the Human Rights Act because we are being denied humanitarian aid."

Three protesters were arrested outside the site. Hampshire Police said a 28-year-old man from Southampton had been arrested on suspicion of assaulting a police officer and a 49-year-old man from Portsmouth was arrested on suspicion of a breach of the peace.

A London man, aged 38, was arrested on suspicion of a breach of the peace and later released without charge.

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It wouldn't be so bad if....
[info]triffid2009 wrote:
Wednesday, 22 July 2009 at 11:36 pm (UTC)
....cowards like Blair and Brown, who put the interests of Texan Oil Barons above those of their own people, were to suffer in the coming years. However I suspect that they will be at the very front of the ration queue in 2030 (probably claiming that they told us so; scum).
no words describe the hypocracy
[info]mike3h wrote:
Thursday, 23 July 2009 at 12:05 am (UTC)
I am afraid that calling the likes of Brown and Blair scum dosent really cut it. In reality no adjective realy catches the visceral level of contempt that many people feel for the two faced mouthings of such so called leaders. After all these are the people who are supposed to be leading us strategically into the future. Instead they are dragged reluctantly kicking and screeming (if only) in the right direction inch by inch by citizens who wonder why we need these strategic no hopers to 'lead us' anymore.

Pathetically Sickening, self-serving hypocrites are the adjective that currently come to mind.
(no subject) - [info]thomas_66 - Thursday, 23 July 2009 at 08:37 am (UTC) Expand
I forgot
[info]mike3h wrote:
Thursday, 23 July 2009 at 12:06 am (UTC)
I forgot moronically short sighted and really stupid
Wind turbines are garbage
[info]timonsays wrote:
Thursday, 23 July 2009 at 12:17 am (UTC)
Wind is not constant and is therefore not suitable as a major source of energy (although at the margins it can be used, as can solar and tidal power). Furthermore wind farms are being built - wrongly - on land, where they are ugly and less efficient. If you are going to have wind turbines these should always be out at sea.

The best renewable energy source however is wave power. This is constant and we are surrounded by the stuff! Not only that, but we have had some brilliant designs (such as Salter's Duck) which have been criminally neglected.

Furthermore, there is another benefit from harnessing wave power: the water behind the barrage is calm (as all the energy has been extracted from the waves) and thus these barrages can be used to prevent coastal erosion.

Until nuclear fusion is perfected, the best clean energy source is wave power. The government's refusal to develop this is a disgrace.
Re: Wind turbines are garbage
[info]corporeal_v001 wrote:
Thursday, 23 July 2009 at 07:21 am (UTC)

Yes, we have wind power today, we will have wave power tomorrow.
Its all about reliability and getting a National Grid circuit built around the coastline - this is underway.
Re: Wind turbines are garbage - [info]billious2 - Thursday, 23 July 2009 at 12:59 pm (UTC) Expand
they don't care
[info]someofusknow wrote:
Thursday, 23 July 2009 at 12:26 am (UTC)
The mistake that so many people seem to make is in thinking that the likes of Tony B Liar or the current Clown in office ever had the interests of Britain at heart.

The so-called leaders of the western world are simply puppets of the international money lender elites, who see far better profitability in having things manufatured in the low wage economies of Asia.

They could not give a damn what happens to the ordinary folk of Britain (or anywhere else for that matter), so long as civil unrest is avoided. Never have. Never will.

The present game is to keep the people as deceived as possible for as long as possible, till they can orchestrate economic collapse on their terms.
Vacuous ZaNULab
[info]pete_s wrote:
Thursday, 23 July 2009 at 03:21 am (UTC)

Put aside the pros and cons of wind turbines. But a gov that one day says, green jobs are our future and will generate hundreds and thousands of jobs. Then the next day the ONLY company in the U.K. making wind turbine blades closes saying no point doing business in this country. 600 people have lost their jobs!

As Littlejohn says "You could not make it up". What a national disaster, Mandy, McDoom and the rest of this motely Labour shower are.
The Greens Want Nuclear
[info]living_fossil wrote:
Thursday, 23 July 2009 at 04:02 am (UTC)
The idea that wind will save on Co2 emissions is far fetched, its a expensive bit player in the power generation game, and the green movment has already moved towards the nuclear option. This would have seemed topsy-turvy a few years ago but the green movement is not motivated by sentimentality and is seeking the best outcome with the cards in hand. The acceleration of climate change and its motor Co2 are the imperatives for the green movement in terms of policy. I am sure they will be the first to push and push hard for the necessary large scale geo-engineering solutions to climate change. Windpower is a expensive luxury whilst very large mirrors in space might be needed to save planet earth.
Re: The Greens Want Nuclear
[info]corporeal_v001 wrote:
Thursday, 23 July 2009 at 01:05 pm (UTC)

Its going to be a combination of renewables and nuclear.
We need nuclear as the back up power source.

UK is small, most of us remember what happen Chenoybl, UK wouldnt be able to handle a nuclear failure too well as we are a densely populated nation.

Use as much renewable as we can, use nuclear as a complimentary source of power.

Norway, is planning to install many thousands of deep water turbines along 2500km coastline so that it can become a power source for Northern Europe - smart people. We are dragging our heels...
Re: The Greens Want Nuclear - [info]uanime5 - Thursday, 23 July 2009 at 01:40 pm (UTC) Expand
Re: The Greens Want Nuclear - [info]corporeal_v001 - Thursday, 23 July 2009 at 01:50 pm (UTC) Expand
Re: The Greens Want Nuclear - [info]colinru - Thursday, 23 July 2009 at 04:30 pm (UTC) Expand
Re: The Greens Want Nuclear - [info]corporeal_v001 - Thursday, 23 July 2009 at 04:41 pm (UTC) Expand
Re: The Greens Want Nuclear - [info]colinru - Thursday, 23 July 2009 at 05:05 pm (UTC) Expand
Corporate Nazi Investment Scam
[info]brossen99 wrote:
Thursday, 23 July 2009 at 06:02 am (UTC)
Despite it's past propaganda mission on " the environment " perhaps the Indy is conveniently failing to mention the extra 8% " Private VAT " ( 15% if you include the current 7% ) to pay for even more wind farms to stand idle for 75% of the time by 2020.

Of course the spin doctors have managed to massage the figure so that the increase is only a theoretical 100 quid if you are fortunate enough to have heavy insulation. Of course you must first pay for cavity wall insulation etc of which there is good evidence that it makes your house damp. Rots all your floorboards allegedly, perhaps leaving your house technically unfit for human habitation so you have to buy a " new " one at inflated prices.

The whole of environment policy relating to climate change is obviously a massive investment scam ( 150bn ) and of course the Corporate Nazi stock market parasite CBI support the policy in principle. Britain's only wind farm turbine maker has just closed down so the stock market parasites can scam even more changing money on the imported infrastructure.

Of course we are promised " green jobs " but that's no use to those who will loose their jobs as traditional manufacturing becomes more expensive due to artificially inflated energy costs. The FT predicts that business energy costs will increase 17% over the next few years. The government claims that a record number of people have come off JSA but that probably consists of those who have been claiming for the maximum permitted period of six months.

Perhaps this sums up our EU and UK government stance on basic human rights like being able to afford to keep warm, dry and have a full belly.

The Corporate Nazi's have turned " science " into a quasi-religion these day's. It would be interesting to discover just how many of the alleged scientists who support man made global warming theory are actually in debt to an amount equivalent to their projected life income. Of course the " Banks " can turn round and say if you do not support the Corporate Multinational Cartel position on climate change we will call in the loans. ( this principle also applies to alleged " green " politicians )

As usual the trail invariably leads back to the stock market parasites looking to make a " quick buck " from liquidating and then asset stripping any UK business made uneconomic by increased energy charges. Then the stock market parasites can make even more changing money exporting the assets to countries not so foolish enough to artificially inflate their own energy costs.

Whatever the scam the trail always leads back to the Corporate Nazi stock market parasites, take the offensive in Afghanistan for instance. I suspect that various troops have expended vastly more than the usual amount of ammo recently, perhaps explaining why mining stocks are doing so well over the past week. Politicians squealing for more helicopters even though they didn't help the Russians, potential for even more sad deaths if they can shoot down several men with one " good " shot. Perhaps the British are loosing the " hearts and minds " battle due to the probability that the CMC ( and their top executives ) have embezzled most of the reconstruction budget.
Re: Corporate Nazi Investment Scam
[info]amenaman wrote:
Thursday, 23 July 2009 at 07:01 pm (UTC)
hoppos
Evolution of renewable energy
[info]corporeal_v001 wrote:
Thursday, 23 July 2009 at 07:26 am (UTC)

1. Onshore wind power (past)
2. Onshore and offshore wind power (now and near future)
3. Wave, tidal power (future)

Bear in mind that onshore wind farms are not permanent, they will be around for 25 years, then off shore technologies are expected to take over.

ps, we will need nuclear to work alond side renewables, but just sufficient to keep everyone happy.
Magic trees versus Windturbines
[info]curefx wrote:
Thursday, 23 July 2009 at 07:26 am (UTC)
The American Billionaire Pickens has stepped of his plans to make the biggest windfarm in the US, and now Vestas in England understands that people don't like them.
Well dear readers, there is a company called Solarbotanic Ltd, based in London, that is working very hard to get you - Energy Harvesting Trees - These natural looking trees convert light, heat, sound, rain and wind energy into clean green electricity. A perfectly solution. They are investigating the possibilities to produce and manufacture in Britain, hopefully Brown is Green and will take notice.
Perhaps every cloud has a silver lining.
[info]ptstroud wrote:
Thursday, 23 July 2009 at 07:31 am (UTC)
Although the closure of this company is bad news for the workers who are losing their jobs, it might be a good thing for the country as a whole. Denmark has invested billions in wind energy but now admit that the whole business has been a failure. Not one coal fired power station has been shut down because wind variability has to be backed up. See: http://centurean2.wordpress.com/2009/05/17/denmark-wind-farms-a-terrible-expensive-disaster-britain-follows-this-pattern/ Similar results have been reported in Germany where not one gram of CO2 has been saved in spite of massive investment in the technology. See: http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/columnists/dominic_lawson/article6719142.ece

Dominic Lawson has pointed out that the UK only produces 2 percent of the world's carbon emission, which is less than the accounting error. Therefore, even if we were to cut our carbon emissions by 100 percent and go back to living in caves, it would have no effect on climate change. Add to this the enormous 'carbon footprint' produced for every wind generator, then the plan to cover the countryside with ugly and dangerous wind farms is just plain silly.

Unfortunately we have an official opposition that also seems to be sold on this crazy form of alternative power generation. And add to this the increasing scientific scepticism about anthropogenic global warming alarmism and one wonders why the December conference on climate change has not ben cancelled.

So hopefully the closure of Vestas might be the silver lining in the giant, dark wind farm cloud hanging over us. One hopes that these workers can be employed in constructing coal fired stations that will tide us over until we can rebuild our nuclear industry.
Nationalize Now
[info]redroseandy wrote:
Thursday, 23 July 2009 at 07:47 am (UTC)
The company is a national asset as Global Warming is the biggest threat to humanity. We should be nationalizing the company, not fighting wars some foreign land. First things first.
Brown is stealing from the Chopper today 23rd July 2009 cartoon But an MP's job is also to
[info]famulla wrote:
Thursday, 23 July 2009 at 08:01 am (UTC)
Brown is stealing from the Chopper today 23rd July 2009 cartoon But an MP's job is also to be in the constituency, and listening to people." Please lend me your ears, cut your ears and give these dogs. I have come to bury Caesar not to praise him. Or was that the case?
I thank you
Firozali A. Mulla
Wind power plan blown off course
[info]famulla wrote:
Thursday, 23 July 2009 at 08:13 am (UTC)
Wind power plan blown off course Drive left. Take the second right. See the sign Jail; toss your dice three times, Have a coke and rum, drive in the train with the four wheels driver and screw driver. See the huge poles pass by. You are nearly in the house that has many rats. That is where that mouse moved the cheese. Grab them put them on top of the windmill. Put a small parrot that say, ?Your wife is coming your wife is coming? then see how fast the idiots move the pipes and you have water from the bottles. QED.
My charges please 25p prphpgplt 7/24/305 I need Sundays. I am not Brown.
I thank you
Firozali A. Mulla
Wind turbines are the future? I don't think so.
[info]collin_brown wrote:
Thursday, 23 July 2009 at 08:13 am (UTC)
Re: Wind turbines are the future? I don't think so.
[info]collin_brown wrote:
Friday, 24 July 2009 at 08:52 am (UTC)
test
SO WE THROW ALL THE PAKIS OUT NOW??? BAD EH
[info]famulla wrote:
Thursday, 23 July 2009 at 08:15 am (UTC)
Sorry you said plans or Plenes. It is so cunfusing with so many roadmaps in the air Google Earth Maps etc Where Is TONY Blaire???
I thank you
Firozali A. Mulla

Tragic
[info]doughobi1 wrote:
Thursday, 23 July 2009 at 08:19 am (UTC)
I am from the Isle of Wight and not only is this closure great loss for the country and green energy but it is a tragic for the Isle of Wight. We are a small Island with a small economy and few opportunities. The loss of 600 jobs locally in one go will impact massively and the ripple down effect will large. 600 people will not be able to find work locally and will be forced off this Island, I'm not sure what this will do.
Having attended the protest area to show my support I am quite appalled about the inhumane ways the company is trying to flush the sit in workers out.
Re: Tragic
[info]uanime5 wrote:
Thursday, 23 July 2009 at 01:48 pm (UTC)
Perhaps they're trying to flush out sit in workers because they don't want these workers to remain on their property. The workers should accept the job losses with some dignity, rather than throwing a tantrum like a toddler.
Re: Tragic - [info]doughobi1 - Thursday, 23 July 2009 at 03:59 pm (UTC) Expand
Why Is anyone surprised at this?
[info]soaring_eagle1 wrote:
Thursday, 23 July 2009 at 08:19 am (UTC)
This is such a blow to natural energy generation. Laws need to be brought in to stop things like this happening, there is enough wind in this country to power all the turbines we need, you store the electricity for when there is little wind to turn them.

This year alone during these so called summer months we have more wind than ever before, with gusts of gale force strength, and offshore turbines are getting wind enough to drive these turbines continually.

If we all have small domestic turbines of our own too, this would help a great deal.

I am fed up with people who ignore the wonderful natural energy that this country and throughout the world have at our disposal, that is non toxic free of radiation and clean and available all year round.

I am afraid we campaigners will have to step up our battle to get this government off talk talk to its walk walk it is pure ignorance that is making this so difficult for our so stupid weak government


My family and many othersI are already working very hard to making our selves self suffiecinet and ready for when oil runs out, and it will! It is already in low reserve, and gas and electricity prices soar.
The mindset of I am alright Jack and blow the others will have to change I'm afraid, everyone will need to adopt a new way of thinking we are promoting living,working and growing organically locally, recycling everything including clothes making do and mend, it is such a wonderful stress free way to live, and will improve peoples health immensely.

WE cannot let our government get away with this, we need Vesta to keep generating wind and jobs.
Re: Why Is anyone surprised at this?
[info]uanime5 wrote:
Thursday, 23 July 2009 at 02:11 pm (UTC)
All of your claims are false. We have not had record winds and there was never enough wind blowing to make up for when the wind didn't blow enough.

There is no country in the world able to rely on wind power because it is so unpredictable.
Re: Why Is anyone surprised at this? - [info]corporeal_v001 - Thursday, 23 July 2009 at 04:19 pm (UTC) Expand
Re: Why Is anyone surprised at this? - [info]colinru - Thursday, 23 July 2009 at 04:36 pm (UTC) Expand
Lack of commitment..
[info]smarttog wrote:
Thursday, 23 July 2009 at 08:51 am (UTC)
Is our government really committed to green energy or are they just saying, what they think we want to hear again?

There are many issues surrounding the location of wind farms, mainly because they need to be located in areas where there is a steady air flow. which normally means in places of outstanding beauty.

Why isn't the government itself not researching suitable areas, such as on existing MOD land ect.

They could certainly do more to find locations and assist specialist comanies. Particulary as this is still a developing market and the few companies involved will need assistance.

how much assistance does the nuclear industry get?

Roll on the general election that's all I can say, I am sure the Libdems will do better....
Very long and difficult planning phase
[info]corporeal_v001 wrote:
Thursday, 23 July 2009 at 08:52 am (UTC)

The UK has some of the best wind resources, but at the same time, some of the most difficult planning processes.

We need to make it much easier for developers to get planning permission. Then we will have many more green jobs.
NIMBYs
[info]immortal1958 wrote:
Thursday, 23 July 2009 at 09:25 am (UTC)
I, for One, would love a wind turbine in my back - or front - garden, and I'm sure I'm not the only One.
Living on top of the South Downs, we have a view of the English Channel, with prevailing South-Westerly winds.
Why can't the British Government, offer some sort of incentive to householders, or communities for allowing wind turbines in their "Back Yard".
This beautiful planet's going to hell in a handbasket, and, it's our fault. come on Mr Miliband, DO THE RIGHT THING!
Why won't the green lobbyists save it?
[info]windandsolar wrote:
Thursday, 23 July 2009 at 09:41 am (UTC)
What about a management buyout by Greenpeace, Friends of the Earth, et al. Surely it's not about money. why should the wind industry be in the hands of profit seeking corporations anyway?

The same lobby groups state that wind power is the answer to all our problems, so what's the excuse? Is losing charitable status more important than actively producing solutions to climate change? Am I mistaken or do some green lobby groups buy up Carbon credits and shares in power companies. A creditable and legal effort I say (as opposed to vandalising coal-fired stations), but surely now is the chance to help the UK exploit its 'windy' credentials.
Re: Why won't the green lobbyists save it?
[info]uanime5 wrote:
Thursday, 23 July 2009 at 02:42 pm (UTC)
That's what I want to know as well. Green lobbists seem to only want to complain that not enough is being done, but never try to make things better.
Wind of change
[info]welshgrad09 wrote:
Thursday, 23 July 2009 at 10:11 am (UTC)
Wind turbines are not economically viable as this has now proven. There is no point committing to great ideas without the sustinenance to carry the plans forward to completion. Hopefully, there will be a wind of change from now on when it comes to the government's renewable energy policy.
Our resolute UK government stands firm in the face of an industrial giant's unreasonable demands...
[info]jockmoron wrote:
Thursday, 23 July 2009 at 10:17 am (UTC)
So, apparently the problem is that Vestas was telling the government that without more practical and sustained support for wind farms in the UK, they would close the plant. "We needed a stable long-term market and that was not there in the UK. We have made clear to the Government that we need a market. We do not need money." Vestas of course is used to working in countries like Denmark, Germany and other European countries where support for wind power is more effective and sustained, rather than the blowing hot and cold that typifies the UK (and other Anglo-Saxon) governments. It's not the intermittent nature of the wind that is the problem with windpower, it's the intermittent nature of reasoned thought in politicians in the UK. What I find amusing, however, is that the government has refused to take action in regard to Vestas demand, treating it as a form of industrial blackmail.

"While the Government may not have felt able to respond to what were in effect threats from a private manufacturing company, the consequence of allowing the country's major wind energy manufacturing plant to fold has attracted ferocious criticism from the green movement."

Of course, no government worth it's sovereign salt could possibly fall for this sort of commercial arm twisting, I mean, if it's Vestas now, it'll be the banks next, and then you're talking serious money .........
A problem we are facing is our inability to get planning consent
[info]kuma2000 wrote:
Thursday, 23 July 2009 at 10:22 am (UTC)
A 50 grand donation to the Labour party and all those problems will instantly vanish. Don't be so mean, pay up the protection money to that nice Mr Brown. Maybe things work differently in Denmark but that's how it works here...
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