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One in six psychiatrists has tried to 'turn gays straight'

Therapists admit using harmful practices to 'cure' homosexuals despite evidence they do not work

By Jeremy Laurance, Health Editor

A study of psychiatrists and therapists found that 17 per cent said they had treated at least one client to alter their homosexual feelings (Picture: Posed by a model)

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A study of psychiatrists and therapists found that 17 per cent said they had treated at least one client to alter their homosexual feelings (Picture: Posed by a model)

Psychotherapists are offering to help "cure" gays and lesbians of their homosexuality without any evidence that such treatment is beneficial or safe. One in six said they had tried to turn gays straight, or reduce their gay or lesbian feelings, even though the mainstream medical view is that this is impossible.

The idea that homosexuality can be cured has a long and dubious history and the disclosure that a significant minority of therapists and doctors still think it is possible is "worrying", Professor Michael King, of the University College Medical School, said. "Heaven knows what they do. We didn't attempt to ask them because there is no evidence that anything works. We didn't expect it to be happening at this rate and we are really rather concerned. It ought to stop. It is distressing and harmful and there is absolutely no evidence it works," he said.

A study of more than 1,400 psychiatrists and therapists in BMC Psychiatry found that 222 (17 per cent) said they had treated at least one client to alter their homosexual feelings at some point. The researchers expected the cases to be concentrated in the past, but the 400 to 500 cases recorded were distributed evenly across the decades. "It is happening up to the present moment," Professor King said. It might only be the "tip of the iceberg".

Many therapists seemed uncomfortable with giving treatment, or admitting to it. When asked if they would attempt to change someone's sexual orientation if requested, only one in 25 (4 per cent) said they would – far fewer than the one in six who reported actually doing so. Pressure from clients demanding help because of bullying or discrimination or family pressures may have pushed the therapists into delivering it, the professor said.

The idea that homosexuality is an aberration from the norm which can be "corrected", rather than a natural state, was current for most of the last century. Everyone was thought to be basically heterosexual and homosexuality was regarded as a deviation from the norm, the result of "faulty learning" in childhood.

During the 1950s and 1960s, when belief in psychological behaviourism was at its height, aversion therapy was used to "cure" homosexuals. Male patients were given a slide show which included pictures of sexually attractive men and women and a lever that allowed them to change the slides. If they lingered too long over the pictures of the men, and did not move on swiftly enough to the pictures of the women, they received an electric shock. A variation of this treatment involved a drug that would make them vomit.

Aversion therapy, famously employed in Anthony Burgess's novel A Clockwork Orange to cure Alex, the leader of the Droogs gang, of his obsession with violence, was used up to the 1980s, but has since been discredited.

Other treatments included advice to masturbate to a homosexual fantasy and then switch to a heterosexual one near orgasm. Covert sensitisation was a method which required patients to counter homosexual thoughts with shameful fantasies of arrest by the police or discovery by their family. Hypnotherapy and psychoanalysis were also used.

Although not uncommon, these treatments never became mainstream in Britain. In the US, however, the idea that homosexuality can be cured retains wide support. There is an ex-gay movement, led by right-wing Christian groups, which promotes "reparative" therapy to return people to the heterosexual "norm". Supporters cite findings that depression is two to three times more common among young gay men as evidence that a homosexual orientation is itself harmful – rather than the responses of bullying and discrimination that it engenders.

Professor King, head of the psycho-sexual clinic at University College Hospital in London, said: "We do not have the same attitudes in Europe. But young people go on the internet, they see this stuff and they pop off to see a psychotherapist. If the therapist is not wise enough to say that this is a part of them and there is nothing pathological about it, they may get seduced into trying to change them. Instead, the therapist should be saying that it is very unfortunate they are being bullied and that they can try to help them come to terms with their situation and learn to cope with it."

Derek Munn, of the gay rights organisation Stonewall, said: "So-called gay cure therapies are wholly discredited. The conclusions of this research are a welcome reminder that what gay and lesbian people need is equal treatment by society, not misguided treatment by a minority of health professionals."

A patient's story: 'I got an electric shock if I looked at the man'

I think I always knew I was gay but there was, in the Sixties, an enormous social pressure on you not to be. I was a day pupil at a boarding school and there was some fairly broad-minded sexual play. Some people stayed there and some moved on to heterosexual activity – while your peer group and natural development is telling you that there is a very fuzzy edge, society is telling you that there is this very hard, black-and-white precipice. So, it becomes an area that you don't talk about with parents and people like that.

While I was a student back then, I had some successful heterosexual relationships. However, during that time I got involved in a strong relationship with a school friend which went on for a long time. When that broke up, it caused me a lot of anguish.

During my early twenties (the early 1970s), I became increasingly depressed and went to my GP. I ended up meeting one of the leading lights in treatments for homosexuality at the (local) university department of psychology. He used aversion therapy and an electric shock machine that was tied to the ankles and wrists. You then watched a number of slides, some [of men] which you find sexually attractive, some which [of women] were best identified as your heterosexual goal.

If you switch from the "gay" picture to the "heterosexual" picture then you don't get the electric shock. By today's standards, the pictures used were about as stimulating as a Reader's Digest. Each session lasted 30 or 40 minutes and I had about 30 sessions. In the fullness of time I got married and the sex thing... well, it never worked out.

My wife knows about these gay feelings. She tends to regard them as a threat in her own mind. It's still a very, very sensitive area. A few casual but long-term sexual friendships ensued with people who were – almost without exception – married.

My wife knows of these encounters and has tolerated them with increasing difficulty.

Increasingly I feel betrayed by the promises of treatment. After I left treatment where was the back up? My deepest feelings, the very structure of my being, had been torn apart in the name of science and left abandoned while the psychologists got on with building their own careers and lives.

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One in six psychiatrists has tried to "turn gays straight"
[info]el42 wrote:
Thursday, 26 March 2009 at 02:33 am (UTC)
In the United States, the practice of so-called "reparation therapy" to "cure" homosexuality has been flatly condemned by all responsible psychiatrists, psychologists, counselors, social workers, and related mental health professionals AND by their licensing boards for several decades now. Why? Because not only have ALL such "therapies" been proven to be abject failures, they have also been proven to be horrifically traumatic to the psyches of those subjected to them. This is an incredibly irresponsible piece of "journalism" in that it does not even begin to seriously address the severe damage done by those who practice such hideously dangerous "therapies" nor does it even begin to address the very, very serious ethical violations committed by those who claim to have dabbled in this barbarous mental cruelty.
Scientific proof
[info]molitor wrote:
Thursday, 26 March 2009 at 03:56 am (UTC)
Professor King , Derek Mann ,the 'patient' and el42 all seem to be gabbling.If they consider there is evidence to prove that homosexuality cannot in any circumstances be 'cured' then they should provide it rather than regurgitate politically correct soundbites ,which may appeal to some readers of the Independent but certainly not to this one.
If this cannot be proved,then I can see absolutely no harm in 17% of qualified psychiatrists attempting to resolve their patients' very real difficulty in determining how best to handle their sexual preferences.
A little less arrogance and 'I know best' please.
Re: Scientific proof
[info]taytsay wrote:
Thursday, 26 March 2009 at 05:46 am (UTC)
Being gay, lesbian, straight, bi, transgendered, etc. is not a choice and thus cannot be called a preference. No reliable source can be cited as saying that inborn sexual orientation can be molded safely, if at all. Agreeing or disagreeing with this simple fact won't change its veracity. To be honest, molitor, the only person who seems to have truly gabbled (with the exception of the doctor from Argentina, since he's speaking in a language foreign to him, and curtisballs's first post, which was meant to be like that).

I grew up in a somewhat conservative city in the Midwestern US. When I was fourteen my family converted to Catholicism. I also realized that I was gay at this time. "Reparative therapy" based in religion stresses submission to God and praying for Him to take these urges away. If it were possible, I'd have "prayed the gay away" five years ago. Believe me, at that point, I though it would work. I also became quite homophobic to try and cover who I was and possibly give myself an extra push away from homosexuality. By the time I graduated, however, I realized that it was useless; my loving men is something more inborn than I thought. So inborn, in fact, that perhaps God had made me this way and it couldn't be changed. It was at this point that I stopped hating myself and started to love life. All the anguish I'd felt about being gay suddenly went away. Once I came out last year, I was truly able to be who I am instead of the me I'd created to hide who I truly was.

I hope this made some sense and gave you some insight. If you really want to see scientific proof, all you have to do is an online search. It's that easy. Trust me, you'll find nothing that proves that it's effective enough to be recommended nor safe enough to be allowed.
Re: Scientific proof - [info]src1963 - Thursday, 26 March 2009 at 12:25 pm (UTC) Expand
Re: Scientific proof - [info]sickofstupidity - Thursday, 26 March 2009 at 02:48 pm (UTC) Expand
About gays and others.
[info]horacioh wrote:
Thursday, 26 March 2009 at 04:08 am (UTC)
i think there are other treatments, but homosexuality will be cure securely, it because all the humans had a sexual plasticity like the brain structures and synapses between neurons, but I think too that fantasy could be present in a heterosexual man without practice that.

Dr. Hector H. O.
Bs. As.
Argentina.












Re: About gays and others.
[info]arthur_ide wrote:
Thursday, 26 March 2009 at 10:39 pm (UTC)
I am a medical doctor and I wonder where you came up with such an absurd idea.
Gay Alchemy?
[info]lucaponti wrote:
Thursday, 26 March 2009 at 04:13 am (UTC)
OK, so you want to convert someone who IS gay, into someone who is straight? All I can say, is that any gay person who tries this approach must be desperately seeking approval and acceptance, and is willing to do anything to get it. The problem is one of self-esteem, not being gay. It is unethical for a 'mental health' expert to try and accommodate this, as it is not possible...no more than a Black person desiring to be White. It is not something that is chosen. I guess you can decide to have sex with anyone, but the problem here is one of desire and affinity, and ultimately love. Sorry, but it is genetic. The only person benefitting is the person trying to help with the 'change,' since they are preying on the insecurities of their 'patient,' and basically creating a situation that is more palatable for insecure straights and overly zealous, and usually dogmatic religious bullies. Remember, there once was a time when people were executed by the Church for suggesting that the world was not flat. Well, being gay, and it's causation, are the 21st Century of the 'Earth Is Flat' syndrome. Ignorance is not bliss. Ignorance is dangerous!
Is there a doctor in the house?
[info]curtisballs wrote:
Thursday, 26 March 2009 at 05:07 am (UTC)
I want to be cured of my heterosexuality. It's disgusting and it's making me and everyone esle sick. Are there any psychiatrists out there with the cojones to cure me of this evil lifestyle? All of the hoorors and evils of the human race are the direct result of heterosexual activity, i.e, overpopulation, ecoological collapse, genetic dysfunction and hereditery disfigurment, the widespread instance of countless diseases including AIDS, infant deaths, spousal abuse, infanticide, abortion and hereditery stupidity. Why in the name of God would anyone actually WANT to be straight?! What a disaster! I need a doctor!
Psychiatrists are just another brick in the wall
[info]curtisballs wrote:
Thursday, 26 March 2009 at 05:10 am (UTC)
Just more of the heterosexual tyranny under which we all suffer.
Scientific proof second bite
[info]molitor wrote:
Thursday, 26 March 2009 at 06:41 am (UTC)
Thank you Taytsay for your contribution.
It is heartening to hear that you have found happiness and are now living the good life.
I am not opposed to homosexuality in any way.
Indeed some of my best friends are...
I do however disagree with the idea that there is only one authorised way of handling sexual difference and that a minority group of some 17% of psychiatrists should not be 'allowed' to deviate from the norm.
The rather pompous dismissals attributed to the 'Establishment' represented by King and Mann come across as politically correct platitudes rather than the sort of hard evidence needed to demonstrate their certainties.
Re: Scientific proof second bite - [info]nairb09 - Thursday, 26 March 2009 at 09:04 am (UTC) Expand
Arnold Smith
[info]superstition2 wrote:
Thursday, 26 March 2009 at 07:19 am (UTC)
Guess what can be cured? Homophobia.

That's the actual problem.
Cure the problem: Homophobia
[info]superstition2 wrote:
Thursday, 26 March 2009 at 07:23 am (UTC)
Let's move out of the Dark Ages and accept the fact that homosexuality isn't a disorder.

Dr. Hooker found that out in the 50s when she asked the question without using a polluted sample (gay men with a history of mental illness). She said that prejudice is the problem when it comes to the mental health of gay people, not their sexuality. Yet, there continues to the faulty reasoning employed that says that gays are responsible for the bigotry they are met with. That's like trying to change blacks into whites or Jews into Christians. It's absurd.

Stop asking if homosexuality can be "cured" and start curing homophobia. That's the problem and it most certainly can be cured with education, not with some bizarro BDSM ritual.
obsession
[info]jesuisunbobo wrote:
Thursday, 26 March 2009 at 07:27 am (UTC)
I don't understand what's wrong with straight people, obsessed with our sexual behaviour.

Leave us alone!!!
One in six psychiatrists has tried to 'turn gays straight'
[info]ptimms wrote:
Thursday, 26 March 2009 at 07:31 am (UTC)
Hi

Could you publish the reference for this paper - I can't find it anywhere on the BMC site

Philip Timms
here's the reference
[info]lazenbee wrote:
Thursday, 26 March 2009 at 09:53 am (UTC)
there reference is here:

http://www.biomedcentral.com/1471-244X/9/11/abstract

it was the first featured article on the bmc psychiatry site:

http://www.biomedcentral.com/1471-244X/9/11/abstract
Who cares?
[info]proximaking wrote:
Thursday, 26 March 2009 at 07:33 am (UTC)
What is the point of this piece? The more important point is why do so many homosexuals side with whatever group in society will clamour to give them "more rights", usually with openly hostile feminist groups who demonise other men. Until all high profile homosexuals stop pandering to these groups and develop a bit of self introspection instead so blaming themselves sometimes instead of blaming everyone else always for their every ill they will never get any respect from me. I know plenty of homosexual men including a few couples who live only a few doors away and they are what I would call perfectly normal but the people I see on TV demanding rights for homosexuals that I don't have as a heterosexual male do normal homosexuals no favours whatsoever. The huge divide in this country is nothing to do with minority issues like homosexuality (well under 5% of men are homosexual, even with the usual "fudging" of figures that have now been admitted to by "gays rights" groups, and that is a minority in anyone's book) it is the sexual divide between men and women where constantly women are afforded family rights due to their "homemaker status" a status that was consigned to the dustbin by women themselves over forty years ago now but they still benefit from it and men and children suffer to this day because of it. Until the huge problems of family breakdown due to kids being denied access to half of their family are solved why worry about where someone chooses to shove their shitty cucumber?
Re: Who cares?
[info]robertclondon wrote:
Thursday, 26 March 2009 at 09:11 am (UTC)
"the people I see on TV demanding rights for homosexuals that I don't have as a heterosexual male"

Sorry, and precisely which rights would those be, eh?
Re: Who cares? - [info]sickofstupidity - Thursday, 26 March 2009 at 02:37 pm (UTC) Expand
Attempts to turn psychiatrists into genuine medics
[info]neil_mcgowan wrote:
Thursday, 26 March 2009 at 07:49 am (UTC)
have failed.

They are talentless wankers practicing ju-ju hokum CRAP.

These charlatans should be kicked out of the NHS permanently and made to do a proper job instead.
Re: Attempts to turn psychiatrists into genuine medics
[info]peds31 wrote:
Thursday, 26 March 2009 at 10:31 am (UTC)
Best post by far
Latest anecdotal evidence
[info]humble_sparrow wrote:
Thursday, 26 March 2009 at 07:55 am (UTC)
On purely anecdotal unresearched evidence 9 out of 10 psychiatrists need to see a psychiatrist themselves.
Re: Latest anecdotal evidence
[info]wormery wrote:
Thursday, 26 March 2009 at 08:31 am (UTC)
I agree absolutely. I have friends who have spent a fortune on these mountebacks and charlatans. - they would've been far better going on holiday or getting a hobby.

The american therapy culture where everyone worships the religion of therapy and counselling is utterly vile and pointless. Mumbo Jumbo nonsense and dangerous at that. And expensive. So some nosy mental counsllor be paid by you so you can tell her/him you secrets? WAKE UP PEOPLE! GET A LIFE! 90% of all therapy is utterly pointless and has been shown to be damaging, not to mention the dependence and lack of resilience it promotes. IT'S A SCAM FOLKS.

Sex does not exist just to procreate; it was a Darwinian development whi evolved in higher animals such as mammals to bond. The fact it make dem baby is not the purpose but just a byproduct of instinctive behaviour - like squirreks burying nuts and forgetting where some are so inadvertantly planting acorns which grow into great oaks.

And there is a big difference between gay behaviour (practised by all dem african americans in gaol) and innate orientation. And of course, animals such as apes, dolphins, dogs and many other mammals also indulge in gay behaviour so it is, literally, 'natural'.

(Oh and a third of straight couples practise anal sex and a third of gay couples don't... which is nice...)
Psychiatrist
[info]gc9723 wrote:
Thursday, 26 March 2009 at 08:14 am (UTC)
Thank you for posting a pictuer of a "model" presumably pretending to be a psychiatrist (or is it the patient?). Now I know what you mean when you say psychiatrist.

Is this meant to be the sort of psychiatrist who thinks he can cure gay people or is it one of the others? I think you should caption it better.

Alternatively, it's a random picture of a person which adds absolutely no value to this story but costs the Indie (and its readers) money. Doesn't Guy Keleny on Saturday rage about this regularly.

! (that's an example of the sort of emotion I've just had but isn't actually it at all)
Re: Psychiatrist
[info]sara_sense wrote:
Thursday, 26 March 2009 at 01:52 pm (UTC)
I'd have to say I think he's a bit of a silver fox...

And newspapers wonder why they're going down the pan? When they pay models to pretend to be a psychiatrist who may or may not attempt to cure people of gayness, is it any wonder??
You're a Fool If You Think it's a Choice
[info]markstanding wrote:
Thursday, 26 March 2009 at 08:46 am (UTC)
Anybody who thinks you can change someone's orientation, just doesn't have a brain.

How many of these idiots 'decided' to be attracted to their wives, just because it seemed the right thing to do? Or wait a minute....maybe they were NATURALLY attracted to them, in the same way gay people are attracted to people of the same sex.

No can choose what turns them on. The idea that that can be done is laughable, and makes me realise how ignorant of even their own thoughts and feelings some humans are.

To anyone who thinks they 'choose' to like women - could you get sexually excited by looking at an apple? Should be quite easy...it's just a choice after all according to you...
Abstain
[info]isaacbrown wrote:
Thursday, 26 March 2009 at 09:26 am (UTC)
Imagine a man who has an urge to rob his neighbour's house yet always managers to resist the temptation - is he still a burglar? Obviously, no. Likewise, a man who has homosexual thoughts about other men yet tells no one and abstains from any sexual contact is, therefore, not a homosxual. So, instead of "treatment" to "cure" homosexuality, why not start by stopping all promotion of homosexuality in the first place, ban or at least condemn odious groups like Stonewall, recriminalise it and make homosexuality the dirty word it really is. The reason the media won't allow this is because the media is run mainly by homosexuals and other perverts.
Re: Abstain
[info]robertclondon wrote:
Thursday, 26 March 2009 at 09:37 am (UTC)
Why don't you try abstaining from heterosexuality? After all, I find your sex acts unnatural for me. Does that give me a right to tell you what to do in bed? No, I thought not.

How, in your tiny little bigoted mind, do you managed to conjur up a parallel between homosexuality and burglary?

On second thoughts, just try abstaining from discussing your bigotry and prejudice - maybe that means you won't be a bigot. I am still convinced that CAN be cured.
Re: Abstain - [info]dtnorth - Thursday, 26 March 2009 at 09:39 am (UTC) Expand
Re: Abstain - [info]zahradelaplata - Thursday, 26 March 2009 at 11:50 am (UTC) Expand
Re: Abstain - [info]andrea_2 - Thursday, 26 March 2009 at 12:35 pm (UTC) Expand
Freakishly stupid: a tiny mathematical minority too - [info]robertclondon - Thursday, 26 March 2009 at 12:48 pm (UTC) Expand
Re: Abstain - [info]jhwk4life - Thursday, 26 March 2009 at 03:12 pm (UTC) Expand
Re: Abstain - [info]sickofstupidity - Thursday, 26 March 2009 at 02:46 pm (UTC) Expand
Re: Abstain - [info]arthur_ide - Thursday, 26 March 2009 at 10:47 pm (UTC) Expand
Scientific proof third and final bite
[info]molitor wrote:
Thursday, 26 March 2009 at 09:39 am (UTC)
Tatsay you sound rather more intolerant in your second offering.
Perhaps after all you share the arrogance displayed by King and Mann and cannot stand opinion at variance with your own.
Anyway,whatever your position,I am not convinced that minority psychiatric practice needs to be suppressed by the politically correct majority opinion which you seem to support.
I have to leave the subject now and wish you well in future.
One in six psychiatrists has tried to "turn gays straight"
[info]yeshprabhu wrote:
Thursday, 26 March 2009 at 10:28 am (UTC)
It is a truth, almost universally acknowledged, that you are what you are; and you can never be what you are not. When ordinary, average laymen know this to be true, a psychiatrist most certainly aught to know. To attempt to treat a gay man with the purpose of curing him of his homosexuality is not just an unconscienable and atrocious act, it constitutes blatant fraud, and so becomes a criminal act. Whoever practices such quackery must be penalized.
The solution to this is quite simple. Gay men and women must learn to accept themselves. Also, it helps immensely to remember that homosexuality is just one of the rays belonging to the colourful spectrum of human sexuality. Each and every one of us is a sexual being. The desire to find a life partner or to link with a mate is innate. It sprouts at birth and matures when a person attains adulthood. Also, there is a growing understanding that one's sexuality is determined at conception, and it depends to a large extent on the cluster of genes one inherits from one's parents.
Yesh Prabhu
Plainsboro, NJ, USA
Re Abstain
[info]isaacbrown wrote:
Thursday, 26 March 2009 at 10:32 am (UTC)
robertclondon - Nature requires procreation to allow species to survive (whether they deserve to survive is another matter), obviously homosexuality cannot aid procreation , therefore it is unnatural. Under your scheme of things, abstaining from heterosexism is undesirable from the point of view of procreation. That you find it unnatural tells us more about you. Homosexuality is worse than burglary because it denies our fundamental being as living creatures, it leads to a decadent and disease ridden life style and it causes distress amongst normal people, just as burglary does. Get back in the closet!!
Re: Re Abstain
[info]jonny_socialist wrote:
Thursday, 26 March 2009 at 10:46 am (UTC)
Id try and argue against you using evidence and reason but i think your are beyond that. If you really are as disgustinginly biggoted, narrow minded and mis-informed as you seem to be then why the hell are you reading the independent and not the Daily Mail?
I was never in a closet. I just am. - [info]robertclondon - Thursday, 26 March 2009 at 10:50 am (UTC) Expand
Re: I was never in a closet. I just am. - [info]sara_sense - Thursday, 26 March 2009 at 11:23 am (UTC) Expand
Re: Re Abstain - [info]andrea_2 - Thursday, 26 March 2009 at 11:34 am (UTC) Expand
Re: Re Abstain - [info]hanif001 - Thursday, 26 March 2009 at 12:00 pm (UTC) Expand
Re: Re Abstain - [info]bunionz - Thursday, 26 March 2009 at 03:41 pm (UTC) Expand
Re: Re Abstain - [info]arthur_ide - Thursday, 26 March 2009 at 10:55 pm (UTC) Expand
Betrayed by Psychiatrists
[info]pulchralutetia wrote:
Thursday, 26 March 2009 at 10:57 am (UTC)
There is no doubt in my mind that LGBT people have been betrayed by the psychiatric profession. As a transwoman I had therapy with a prominent Oxford psychotherapist ten years ago. When I raised the possibility that I might in fact be transgender/transsexual he did everything to dissuade me from this without actually inquiring into what I might feel or want myself: 'you're only creating problems for yourself'.

Ten years on I am still enraged by the hypocrisy and lack of honesty involved in this approach of denigrating LGBT behaviours as 'abnormal'. Freud and his disciples have left a trail of psychological wrecks in their wake through the application of dehumanizing and manipulative methods designed to 'cure' gays and trans people.

Psycotherapy is a lie.
One in six psychiatrists has tried to 'turn gays straight'
[info]independent123 wrote:
Thursday, 26 March 2009 at 11:02 am (UTC)

With the study not being publicly available at this stage, it is difficult to know what the research specifically concluded and how the data relied on has been evaluated.

From what has been reported, the conclusions appear to be at odds with other scientific and medical research in this area which has shown the success of therapies for those wishing to leave unwanted same-sex desires and behaviour. This has been achieved without mental distress. The results are comparable with similar approaches for those wishing to leave a drug or alcohol addiction behind them.

It is surprising, given the successful results with the latter, that people should wish to deny the same freedom to obtain treatment to those wishing to deal with their unwanted same-sex desires.

For those interested in investigating this area further, sound scientific and medical research - or references to - can be found by googling "homosexuality+change", along with other key words such as Spitzer, NARTH, Jones and Yarhouse, Whitehead, and Satinover.

It is disappointing that we rarely hear about such research in the media or those who have overcome their unwanted desires as often is the case for those who have overcome their alcohol or drug, or another, addiction.

It would also be helpful if the Health Editor could provide references for his claim that "the mainstream medical view is that this ("to turn gays straight, or reduce their gay or lesbian feelings") is impossible".

Fred


Re: One in six psychiatrists has tried to 'turn gays straight'
[info]robertclondon wrote:
Thursday, 26 March 2009 at 11:37 am (UTC)
Or alternatively gay people could be helped to just accept themselves for who they are and be happy with it and other people could stop trying to interfere in their lives.

Just a thought....
treatment for psyhcotherapists.
[info]dkayedon wrote:
Thursday, 26 March 2009 at 11:16 am (UTC)
One time in tthe 1970s in a therapeutic community. Social Worker would suggest we try and cure people with different sexual needs as themselves. |Then when SW gone we would advise not to go down the city cottages after 10pm; the police would be in the roofs . We simply had the aim of a confident person living as gentle a life as possible. To respect others needs.
Beware of Psychos. of any order
Lets get turned on by inanimate objects
[info]markstanding wrote:
Thursday, 26 March 2009 at 11:50 am (UTC)
issacbrown wrote: - "Nature requires procreation to allow species to survive (whether they deserve to survive is another matter), obviously homosexuality cannot aid procreation , therefore it is unnatural."

No, animals need procreation to survive, nature doesn't, you foolish bigot. Nature is not just animals and plants - nature includes everything that exists independently of humans. And homosexuality exists in the animal kingdom too.

You seriously think you can 'choose' what makes you sexually excited? Could you get an erection purely from looking at a can of coke? By your logic, you can, which seems pretty remarkable to me.

When one of your best arguments against homosexuality is 'it doesn't help to reproduce', then it shows you've run out of arguments.

Whether humans have made it this way or not, our lives are about way more than just breeding other humans. We might be 'robotic' in the way our brains work, but we're sure as hell not going to choose to live like robots, to live purely to breed. I don't know if I ever want kids, I'm not sure yet. I'm hetrosexual, but I don't owe it to mankind to keep producing. It's my life and my choice. That doesn't make me unatural, just because I might die without 'contributing to evolution'.

Nature is full of natural sick things. Creatures that kill each other to eat them is one thing. Being intimate with someone of the same sex, when both consent to it, is not any more 'dirty' than a consenting hetrosexual couple.
I refuse to believe these statistics......
[info]the_kegs wrote:
Thursday, 26 March 2009 at 11:52 am (UTC)
but if true then one in six psychiatrists should be either struck off or totally retrained. This headline sounds like something a religious bigot might say, or maybe an American.

Is it any wonder that those with mental health problems so rarely look for help!
RELIGIOUS PEOPLE ARE THE PROBLEM!
[info]samb_uk wrote:
Thursday, 26 March 2009 at 11:55 am (UTC)
Let's be honest - this 17% of 'professionals' who have attempted to 'cure' gay people are almost certainly religious. Only religious people can believe something in spite of all the evidence pointing in the other direction whether its homosexuality, evolution, gender-equality, etc.

You don't have to be religious to be sexist or homophobic, but it helps a lot.
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