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Prince William tells Peter Crouch it is a 'strength' to talk about your mental health

The podcast appearance comes ahead of the Heads Up FA Cup Final on Saturday

Sophie Gallagher

Tuesday 28 July 2020 17:28 BST

(Kensington Palace)

Prince William has told Peter Crouch that talking about mental health is a “strength” and not a sign of “weakness”, during an appearance on the footballer’s BBC podcast.

The Duke of Cambridge took part in a special episode of BBC Radio Five Live’s That Peter Crouch Podcast, to talk about the ongoing Heads Up campaign, being spearheaded by the Cambridges.

The podcast sees the Duke talk about mental health and how best to support people, particularly during lockdown, alongside BBC sports journalist Tom Fordyce and radio presenter Chris Stark.

William said: “We all have mental health, and we all have to stay mentally fit. It’s a strength to talk about your mental health, it’s not a weakness. You know if you’re not feeling well, something’s bothering you, talk about it – it’s not a problem.”

Crouch, a former professional football for England, says that he has struggled in a “male-orientated” environment: “And any weakness shown is an excuse not to make it."

Although he does admit that talking has helped him feel more positively: "When I started talking about it and opened up, I did feel so much better, and that was just through talking.”

The episode also covers the Duke’s experiences of playing football and watching matches as a fan; William is a well-known Aston Villa fan.

It was recorded in two parts – the first at Kensington Palace in March and then via video call during lockdown in early July.

On Saturday 1 August the FA Cup Final will take place; this season the competition has partnered with Heads Up in a bid to “spark the biggest ever conversation” about mental health in football. The match has even been officially renamed in honour of mental health awareness.

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Stormzy

Stormzy told Channel 4 in 2017 that by opening up about his depression he hoped to help others. "I think for them to see I went through it would help," the BRIT-award-winning musician said. "For a long time I used to think that soldiers don’t go through that. You know? Like, strong people in life, the bravest, the most courageous people, they don’t go through that, they just get on with it...and that’s not the case."

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Robert Pattinson

Twilight star Robert Pattinson told The Telegraph he struggled with depression for a period of time. “'I had a bit of a struggle at first because my life really contracted and I couldn't do a lot of the stuff I used to be able to do." He advised aspiring Hollywood actors to "take care" of your mental health. "If you get as famous as quickly as I did, your personal growth stops suddenly.”

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Michael Phelps

Former American swimmer Michael Phelps, the most decorated Olympian in history, experienced periods of depression and suicidal feelings. He told Today in 2018: "After years and years and years of just shoving every negative, bad feeling down to the point where I mean, I just didn't even feel it anymore...and for me, that sent me down a spiral staircase real quick and like I said, I found myself in a spot where I didn't want to be alive anymore."

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Zayn Malik

Zayn Malik told The Sunday Times Style magazine about suffering with an eating disorder and anxiety. "We’re all human. People are often afraid to admit difficulties, but I don’t believe that there should be a struggle with anything that’s the truth," said the former One Direction singer. "If you were a guy, you used to have to be really masculine, but now expressing emotion is accepted and respected.’

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Will Young

Singer Will Young has spoken about his experience with suicidal thoughts. "There's a part of my brain that is telling me that you're about to die, [so] you either shut down, freeze or you run. The only thing I can do is go to bed." He said that without the help of his therapist he probably would have been successful in his suicide attempts. “I have so many mental thoughts in my head: ‘You’re never going to sing again’. ‘That was a s*** dance move.’ ‘They’re hating you.’”

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Professor Green

After his father took his own life in 2008, rapper Professor Green started speaking openly about his mental health problems and the pressure on men to be strong. “We have to figure out a way that men can talk to one another and figure out how to make themselves feel better,” he told theiNews. Although he is pleased to "start conversations" Green warns how becoming a mental health spokesperson can be high pressure. “It’s difficult because sometimes you’re having a great day, then someone comes up and tells you something absolutely horrific; I’m not a psychologist and it’s really hard."

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Donald Glover

American actor, comedian, writer and musician Donald Glover, who performs under the name Childish Gambino told Vice in 2013 he'd been through periods of depression following the end of his tour. "I was just super depressed. I mean, I tried to kill myself. I was really fucked up after that [tour], because I had this girl that I thought I was going to marry and we broke up. I didn’t feel like I knew what I was doing. I wasn’t living up to my standard, I was living up to other people’s standards, and I just said ‘I don’t see the point'.”

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Shawn Mendes

Shawn Mendes told People magazine that talking about his mental health problems was the "scariest" thing he's ever done. "I still struggle with it but just remember every day that everyone deals with some level of anxiety or pressure; we're all in it together." He told The Sun in 2018: "All pain is temporary, and the thing is with anxiety, and why it's such a hard thing for people who don't have it to understand."

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Jim Carrey

Comedian and actor Jim Carrey told iNews that he had struggled with depression throughout his life. “At this point, I don’t have depression. I had that for years, but now, when the rain comes, it rains, but it doesn’t stay. It doesn’t stay long enough to immerse me and drown me anymore.”

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Pete Wentz

Fall Out Boy frontman Pete Wentz has spoken openly about his bipolar disorder diagnosis and other mental health problems. He said that it took him to reach breaking point before asking for help. "My best piece of advice, more than anything, is that there's other people out there that feel [suicidal], or are feeling that right at that time," he said. "Maybe your favorite actor, or a guy in a band, or whoever, there are people who feel that exact same thing and have made it through that. I would say more than anything, you're not alone in it."

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Jon Hamm

"I struggled with chronic depression," Mad Men star Jon Hamm told The Guardian in 2010. "I did do therapy and antidepressants for a brief period, which helped me." Hamm said medication helped change his "brain chemistry" enough so he could get out of bed. "I don't want to sleep until four in the afternoon. I want to get up and go do my shit and go to work," he says.

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Rob Delaney

Catastrophe actor and comedian Rob Delaney, who lost his son Henry to brain cancer in January 2018, said he has long struggled with depression and encouraged others in the same position to seek help. "Asking for help is strong because it leads directly to staying alive," he says. "Not asking for help is as fear-based a decision as a human being can make and can lead you swiftly in a bad direction. It's not exaggerating to say that path can end in death."

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Dwayne 'The Rock' Johnson

Dwayne Johnson has spoken on numerous occasions about mental health. On ITV's Lorraine Kelly he said: "Depression doesn't discriminate, and I thought that was an important part of the narrative if I was going to share a little bit of my story of the past. Regardless of who you are or what you do for a living or where you come from, it doesn't discriminate, we all kind of go through it. If I could share a little bit of it and if I could help somebody, I'm happy to do it."

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Ryan Reynolds

"I have anxiety, I've always had anxiety," the Deadpool actor told the New York Times in 2018. "Both in the lighthearted ‘I’m anxious about this’ kind of thing, and I’ve been to the depths of the darker end of the spectrum, which is not fun.” Reynolds said he went through a period of partying to try and make himself "vanish" in some way and would frequently suffer with anxiety-related insomnia.

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Bruce Springsteen

Bruce 'The Boss' Springsteen told Esquire magazine in 2018 that although he wouldn't describe himself as being mentally unwell, he has "come close enough" and takes medication to cope. "I’m on a variety of medications that keep me on an even keel; otherwise I can swing rather dramatically and the wheels can come off a little bit.”

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Prince Harry

Prince Harry has been a vocal supporter of mental health campaigns like 'Time To Talk'. He also has spoken openly about his own problems following the death of his mother, Princess Diana. He told The Telegraph: “I have probably been very close to a complete breakdown on numerous occasions when all sorts of grief and sort of lies and misconceptions and everything are coming to you from every angle." Harry said there was "huge merit" in talking about your issues and keeping quiet only makes things worse.

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The Football Association, Premier League, English Football League and other leading figures in the sport have also signed the ‘Mentally Healthy Football’ declaration to show that the issue of mental health is a priority.

Prince William, who has been vocal about his mental health in recent years, wants to use his position of influence as the FA president to show the nation “mental health is just as important as physical health”.

Crouch previously appeared on the BBC’s documentary A Royal Team Talk alongside The Duke in May 2019. The documentary saw Peter open up for the first time about the verbal abuse he suffered as a teenager and young adult, and the impact this had upon his mental health.

On 27 July, David Beckham spoke at a Heads Up mental health summit, saying that he believed social media would have made the “brutal” reaction to his 1998 World Cup red card even worse.

He said: “I think that when I was playing, stakes were high, but I don’t think they were as high as they are now in the game and I feel there are so many more distractions and obstacles now that can affect players from a very young age – and that’s why I feel that what you’ve [Prince William] done, what you’ve created and what is happening here with this movement is so important.”

The podcast is available to listen to on Wednesday 29 July.

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