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Education report

Generation of pupils being put off school, report says

By Richard Garner, Education Editor

Teachers should be free from state interference, the report says

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Teachers should be free from state interference, the report says

A devastating attack on what is taught in primary schools is delivered today by the biggest inquiry into the sector for more than 40 years.

Too much stress is being placed on the three Rs, imposing a curriculum on primary school pupils that is "even narrower than that of the Victorian elementary schools", it says. The inquiry is recommending sweeping changes to stop children being left disenchanted by schooling at an early age.

Children should not start formal schooling until the age of six – in line with other European countries – the 600-page report on the future of primary education recommends. It was produced by a team directed by Robin Alexander of Cambridge University.

Tests for 11-year-olds and league tables based on them should be scrapped, and instead children should be assessed in every subject they take at 11.

The report is heavily critical of successive Conservative and Labour governments for dictating to teachers how they should do their jobs. Professor Alexander cites "more than one" Labour education secretary saying that primary schools should be teaching children to "read, write and add up properly" – leaving the rest of education to secondary schools. "It is not good enough to say we want high standards in the basics but we just have to take our chance with the rest," said Professor Alexander.

The report concludes: "Such a diet, after all, is even narrower than that of the Victorian elementary schools, whose practices most people claimed the country had outgrown."

Gillian Pugh, a former head of the National Children's Bureau who chaired the review, added: "There is no research evidence that an early access to formal learning does children any good and a lot of evidence that it can actually do some harm."

The report recommends that children should largely be left to learn through play, with the foundation stage of learning extended until six, followed by formal lessons in primary schools from six to 11.

"Children in England start their formal schooling at a younger age than in most other countries and there is strong support for the view that England should conform to international practice by starting formal school at age six or seven," says the report.

It rejects the findings of a previous inquiry into primary schooling by the former Ofsted inspector Sir Jim Rose on behalf of the Government, saying it should be put on ice because it failed to tackle key issues.

It is equally scathing about government attempts to control the curriculum and dictate to teachers how they should teach, citing as an example the formal literacy and numeracy strategies introduced by Labour which spelled out how lessons should be conducted. "The Stalinist overtones of a 'state theory of learning' enforced by 'the machinery of surveillance and accountability' – league tables, testing targets – are as unattractive as they are serious," says the report. "The general air of pessimism and powerlessness [among teachers] could be an accurate reflection of how people feel, anywhere, when their freedom of action and thought in the area which lies at the heart of their work is reduced."

Professor Alexander's team question whether the rise in the percentage of pupils achieving the required level in maths and English at 11 does, in fact, indicate that standards have improved.

Instead, the report argues, "memorisation and recall have come to be valued more than understanding and enquiry and transmission of information more than the pursuit of knowledge in its fullest sense".

Other recommendations include an end to central prescription by the Government of how teachers should teach.

The report rejects the notion – put forward in a report by the UN agency Unicef – that British children are among the "unhappiest" in the West. The real crisis of childhood, it argues is the "crisis of disadvantage and poverty".

"The divide between the poorest households in Britain and those with relatively high levels of income widened dramatically during the 1980s," says the report. Despite a reduction since then, the gap is now widening again, it continues. Children from disadvantaged homes tend to get shouted at more at home and feel a sense of failure on starting school, it says. As a result, they are more likely to seek out the "class tearaways" for friends than those from a better-off environment.

Good quality teaching is essential for giving pupils a chance to escape from a poor environment, it argues, questioning whether the claim by Ofsted, which is often seized upon by ministers, that "we have the best quality teachers ever", can be verified.

The report advocates more use of specialist teachers in the latter years of primary schooling, arguing that it may be necessary to extend the PGCE primary training course from one to two years to give new staff the necessary expertise.

Last night the main plank of the report – raising the formal start of schooling to six – was rejected by the Government. The Schools minister Vernon Coaker said the Rose review had recommended a less prescriptive curriculum, adding: "It's disappointing that a review which purports to be so comprehensive is simply not up to speed on major changes in primaries."

However, its findings were widely welcomed by teachers' leaders. "How much more evidence does the Government need before it realises that this [the national curriculum tests] is a useless system for assessment which does nothing but bring unwelcome and unnecessary pressure on schools which are self-evidently successful?" said Christine Blower, general secretary of the National Union of Teachers.

The report, funded by the Esme Fairbairn Foundation, is the largest study into primary education since the Plowden report in 1967.

Victorian education: How it compares

The Victorian elementary schools, like those today, concentrated on the three 'R's much, as official reports would have it in both eras, to the detriment of a broader curriculum. But they were better at making sure children were well placed for employment, with girls doing sewing and boys more manual work.

Victorians started compulsory schooling at the age of five, because they wanted to get education of the working classes over quickly so children could start work at the age of 10. Yet no-one has questioned this starting age in the 140 years since it was introduced.

The parent's view: 'Three Rs aren't everything'

Caroline Morgan said she likes the sound of the Alexander review's main recommendation – that the start of formal schooling should be put back to six.

Ms Morgan, who lives in Dorchester and has three children, two of whom are of primary school age – William, nine, and Alice, seven – said the move "can only be a good thing".

"Starting school can be very difficult for some children. It is important to build their confidence so that it doesn't impact upon their learning."

This was one of the key forces behind the review's recommendations – the belief that beginning formal education before a child is ready for it can lower their confidence and leave them floundering in class.

She also believes that too much concentration on the "three Rs" can be counter-productive. "Our school head aims to get dirty with the school curriculum with the children going on regular trips, teaching the pupils in interesting hands-on ways, which is also fun," she said.

"It should not be just about literacy and numeracy. By moving away from this we can help to improve children's perception of school and make them want to go."

The teacher's view: 'A step in the right direction'

Primary school teacher Lesley Ward professes she is "delighted" with the key recommendations of the report. "I think this is wonderful news and a step in the right direction that will allow children to be children again," she said.

She said the move to begin formal schooling at six would "allow children to settle in before they are set the challenges of literacy and numeracy".

Ward, a primary school supply teacher from Doncaster, South Yorkshire, added: "These changes will no doubt improve children's happiness and commitment to school in future years."

She also welcomed the scrapping of the national curriculum tests in maths and English for 11-year-olds. "They are not an accurate measure of a child's ability and can demotivate a child if they score a 'level three' [one level below the required standard], even if that is a great result for the child.

"Too much emphasis is placed on working through the curriculum rather than allowing children to learn in an active, enjoyable manner."

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obvious?
[info]vhawk1951 wrote:
Thursday, 15 October 2009 at 11:36 pm (UTC)
children are like little animals they do not like discipline-of course they hate school- we all did; it's boring if what you really want to do is run about and play

that said the beginning of education is reading; on top of that the intellect needs to be trained, frequently by repetition; all these take discipline, which is the very first thing a child needs to learn.
Re: obvious?
[info]60sthrowback wrote:
Friday, 16 October 2009 at 08:22 am (UTC)
Discipline starts from engaging the imagination and therefore the attention of kids in the first place. It's no coincidence that the word "discipline" is rooted in instruction rather than the imposition of structures by one group or individual over another.

I liked school, by the way, apart from the PE and religion.
Re: obvious?
[info]vhawk1951 wrote:
Friday, 16 October 2009 at 11:05 am (UTC)
point well made and, sort of, agreed with-I actually received a Victorian education or a direct descendent thereof- learning was beaten into me largely by fear of pain, which as a small animal I needed
Re: obvious?
[info]starlingnl wrote:
Friday, 16 October 2009 at 09:37 am (UTC)
I didn't hate primary school (until I moved to another one, where I got spat on and kicked), my partner didn't, my brothers didn't, etc. Kids aren't supposed to hate primary school. Secondary school, perhaps (HOMEWORK!!!!), but not primary school.

Kids don't hate discipline either, unless they have parents who let them get away with anything and then suddenly have to deal with it at school.
Re: obvious?
[info]frankofyle wrote:
Friday, 16 October 2009 at 09:58 am (UTC)
It all depends what you call discipline. I'm not going to be a shrinking violet here, so here goes: I was a Headteacher, and ALL visitors to my school stated that the children were the best behaved they had ever seen. On a visit to a French museum, the English-speaking guide said they were the best behaved and most knowledgeable school group ever to visit the museum (which sees about 10 English school groups per day). Two American teachers made a particular point of coming over to us and saying "Gee, we're teachers and we've never seen a class so well behaved!"

The "secret" to such good behaviour is no secret at all, though I suspect NOT what you're calling for. When YOU work, you expect a reward - money, holidays, a good meal out, a nice car, a big house. All too often children are thought of as a different animal - little people who seek no reward except (in the minds of adults) to have a decent job in another 20 or 30 years, the equivalent of 4 or 5 lifetimes from their perspective.

So the pupils at my school were expected to work hard, then have a reward. The day was: work, reward, work, reward, work, reward, and work, reward. In addition they could come to school early and do anything constructive that they wished. No homework either. If children have worked hard for the whole day, why on earth should they have to do homework? Most adults don't, even in work-mad Britain!

It's time we started treating children to a childhood.

They'll achieve far more later in life if we at least give them that.

(By the way, my schools were always in deprived areas.)
Re: obvious?
[info]hybridartifacts wrote:
Friday, 16 October 2009 at 11:38 am (UTC)
I experienced teaching as a teen that ran on the work/reward basis - we had a fantastic History teacher who took a mixed ability class and got everyone through the 'O' Level exam with a pass in one year and then got on with spending the second year instilling a deep love of the subject in us (the other members of the class I am still in touch with all love the subject still and have both a sound approach to it and a fair bit of knowledge and continued reading on the subject). He would teach us what we needed to know to pass the exam in the first part of lessons, then get on to teaching us stuff that was not in the exams but that gave us all a great grounding in the subject itself. I can recall one entire second half of a lesson being on the evolution of helmet design and why and how arms and armour evolved in through different time periods. He also encouraged us to explore primary evidence, got us doing our own local history projects where we did research, oral history interviews etc. Utterly brilliant. The teaching itself was actually the reward!!!!
i hate skool
[info]jimfred wrote:
Thursday, 15 October 2009 at 11:59 pm (UTC)
Paul Simon sang about all the crap he learned in high school.
Suggs sang about,how to bend not break the rules.
My bruv said,years ago......they tell you the date of the battle of Hasting,not how to fill in a tax return.

School,it is all about reading between the lines,always has been,always will be.
Re: i hate skool
[info]rendevou5 wrote:
Friday, 16 October 2009 at 01:25 pm (UTC)
How can you read in between the line, when you haven't yet learned to read (let alone undrstand what has been written on them?
Re: i hate skool
[info]jimfred wrote:
Friday, 16 October 2009 at 10:02 pm (UTC)
"undrstand"?
Re: i hate skool
[info]rendevou5 wrote:
Saturday, 17 October 2009 at 10:39 am (UTC)
Thank you for replying.

It occurs to me that you may have misunderstood my use of the word "you" to be a personal attack: in fact, it was intended to be taken impersonally.

So far as my own contribution is concerned, I suspect that anyone reasonable can appreciate that the letter "e" was missed from "understand" as the result of a typing error: however, given that you followed the word with a question mark, I trust that your question is answered.

Just in case you didn't misunderstand in the way my first paragraph suggests, may I point out that your own text contained the following errors:

"i"?

"skool"?

But doubtless, you would claim both errors to have been deliberate?

Re: i hate skool
[info]jimfred wrote:
Saturday, 17 October 2009 at 11:48 pm (UTC)
yes,it was.I like you.
You engage me
[info]world_of_water wrote:
Friday, 16 October 2009 at 12:41 am (UTC)
It's cool to know nothing.

Stupid thick worthless people. Are we supposed to pity them?
[info]60sthrowback wrote:
Friday, 16 October 2009 at 08:00 am (UTC)
But most aren't stupid, thick (that's a tautology by the way) and worthless. The potential is there, but the endemic sense of hopelessness and lack of support at home combines with narrow and uninteresting schooling to suppress it. At least with a broader education there is a possibility that kids can become enthused and develop the will to run ahead, which is what was happening when there was a blossoming of working class talent in post war Britain. As they stand, primary schools are designed to produce generation after generation of SATs robots, with little conception of the scope and possibilities of human knowledge.
At Last!
[info]49niner wrote:
Friday, 16 October 2009 at 04:01 am (UTC)
Treating schools as though they are competing in an educational version of the Football League was never I good idea. And testing young children from the age of seven was always a step too far.

The only tests we had in my day were for the 11+ which I don't really remember. We had a rigorous education in the 3Rs with regularly reading, spelling tests and the reciting of tables until you got them right. It worked.

But we had time for many other activities in class. We had a well-rounded education in what was very much a family atmosphere. Homework didn't start until I went to grammar school.

I look back on my primary school days we affection. Will present-day youngsters be able to do the same? I hope so. The National Curriculum has always been about the needs of adults, not children. I would welcome the scrapping of SATS and all the paraphenalia that goes with them.
it's a shame
[info]panic2009 wrote:
Friday, 16 October 2009 at 04:15 am (UTC)
i remember my younger days at school with great joy. we had teachers who loved the job. we had discipline. dont remember any bullying as far as i can remember. and we had great teachers who seemed to love their job.

but, the most important thing was, we had routine. we had the lords prayer every day (i realise we cant do that now before anybody bleats), a square meal for lunch, and lots of sport. and we hadnt been hijacked by the PC brigade!!!!!!
Teaching is a gift....
[info]thisanthat wrote:
Friday, 16 October 2009 at 04:34 am (UTC)
unfortunately most of the wankers in this profession are there for the perks?
Re: Teaching is a gift....
[info]rendevou5 wrote:
Friday, 16 October 2009 at 01:20 pm (UTC)
1. If teaching is a gift, then I'm afraid that these days it's generally an unwanted gift - which, incidentally, explains why nobody (despite Government denials) wants to do the bloody job any more.
2. If there are "wankers"in schools, the overwhelming majority are so-called pupils.
3. What perks?
[info]mtvmalta wrote:
Friday, 16 October 2009 at 07:19 am (UTC)
The article gives no real statistics. It does not explain how children are to access knowledge in its fullest sense if they have not mastered the three Rs. The family background is of course very important but with the most intrusive 'educator', television and the other media, being so effete, this is adversely affected. Life is stressful from the very beginning when one emerges into it toothpaste like. Education will inevitably include stress but with teachers that genuinely care and put in an effort children are taught how to address that stress and hunger for and love learning.
three 'R's
[info]fnc2009 wrote:
Monday, 19 October 2009 at 10:52 am (UTC)
Apart from the fact that one of them is an 'A' and another a silent 'W' lets see what'swrong with them... They tend to lack empathy (and sympathy) and imagination. Without empathy we cannot understand what other people are feeling; without sympathy we act upon our understanding of how a person is feeling without appreciating the impact it has upon them; and without imagination nothing new is ever invented and concepts can never be understood. The mere fact that we have a language requires imagination: we need to associate an often arbitrary word (written or spoken) with a word concept which represents either a concrete thing or an abstract idea.
I once heard a teacher say that all this stuff about imagination is all well and good but they couldn't get their students to understand what a quasar and a pulsar were; and that computers were the way of the future and that was what they should be learning. He lacked the understanding that to visualise and understand something they have not directly experienced and identified - people need to use their imagination and that a computer had to be imagined before it could be invented (more proof - the submarine was imagined by Jules Verne; and the helocopter by Leonardo Da Vinci and the spell checker on computers - someone with enough nouse to understand that to err is human and eveyone makes spelling mistakes and typos.)
Curriculum in primary schools - call for lessening accountability is misguided
[info]sakoala wrote:
Friday, 16 October 2009 at 07:43 am (UTC)
This report seems to take singularly little notice of the now known patterns of brain development, such that something learned early is learned easily, while if it is left till later becomes more difficult. My take on this debate is that if substantive learning is putting children off school (BTW I see no evidence to support this conclusion) then there is something wrong with the teaching. methods being employed. Little children love learning everything they can. And holding the teaching profession responsible for what children can demonstrate that they actually know was a measure of some desperation - generated by the fact that so many children were passing from grade to grade with little evidence that they had learnt anything much at all. It actually doesn't require the whole day focussing on literacy and numeracy to impart these skills. To assert this is the case is similar to the the claim that phonics was 'drill and kill' - a confession of amazing ignorance regarding useful and charming teaching methods. In point of fact children can be taught to read UNSIMPLIFIED text, FLUENTLY and with full COMPREHENSION, BEFORE the fifth birthday, with NO STRESS, and great pleasure in their sense of accomplishment. All it requires is (purposeful and substantive) fun and games for 20 minutes a day! There is plenty of time left for pretend boating up the Amazon, films of Mt Everest, examination of ants' nests in the backyard, bike (tricycle?) riding , or, given access, skiing, horse-riding, tree-climbing, picture books, story-telling, even finger-painting, and sand castles.
Glynne Sutcliffe, Adelaide, South Australia
glynnesutcliffe@internode.on.net
Generation of pupils being put off school, report says
[info]marinaeurope wrote:
Friday, 16 October 2009 at 07:58 am (UTC)
It is a pity that people still argue in terms of a "standard age" when children "should" start formal education as if children were identical standardised items produced by some precisely controlled industrial process. The truth is that children are individuals with huge variations and while some children would benefit by starting certain aspects of formal education (for example, reading, writing and simple arithmetic) at an age as early as three years old, other children need to wait as late as six and seven, for example.
The real aim of education should be to encourage each child to learn as early, as much and as fast as the child possible can. So ideally all children should be assessed for academic learning abilities every six months from the age of three years old onwards and put in classes appropriate for their developmental age and not in classes streamed according to their calendar age. Formal school education should also include self control and discipline as a way of life AND sports, outdoor activities, science, self defense classes and environmental studies, health and safety; first aid etc. from as early an age as each child can handle such learning and benefit from it. Music, art and foreign languages from as early an age as individual children can benefit from it would also be an asset if state schools can afford it.
Personal experience has shown me that , as a general rule, grossly “mixed ability” classes and attempts at simultaneously teaching children of grossly varying academic abilities in the same class at the same time and place is a waste of resources as well as teachers’ energies and abilities. Children should spend the bulk of their time at school being taught in classes appropriate for their academic and intellectual abilities and should relatively spend less time interacting in mixed ability classes - although the latter activity is also important for children to realize that there is huge diversity even among so-called “normal” people; that children and people do not just come in all shapes, colours and sizes but also from various different cultures and backgrounds as well as vary in their physical, emotional, intellectual and academic abilities.
Mish-mash of middle England dreams
[info]humble_sparrow wrote:
Friday, 16 October 2009 at 08:06 am (UTC)
There are many good schools and teachers out there but overall government policy on education is target driven, full of goals and objectives, constipated with exams and tests, all confused, lost in a mish-mash of middle England dreams of kids becoming doctors, lawyers and corporate executives.

Children just wanna have fun and they will learn anyway no matter what 'experts' think is best for them. :-)
Long past time to raise the school entry age
[info]ellenpurton wrote:
Friday, 16 October 2009 at 08:09 am (UTC)
After years of expert evidence that our children start school way too early, with parents agreeing wholeheartedly, how can the government continue to sweep aside the idea of raising the age of starting formal schooling? The arrogance is breathtaking -- "we can't be bothered to make a major change and you can't make us." Even if it will improve our children's experience and education immensely.

As a parent of 3 small children, I have seen first hand how many children are starting school before they are ready and how demoralising it is for them. It is terribly sad that the government will throw thousands of five year olds to the wolves to defend a system designed to get their mothers back to work, not to educate them properly.

If we want to get mums back to work we should provide day care for children from age 2 to 6. We should call it "day care" instead of school and make it the best day care we can. Calling it school makes it ok to herd our children like cattle into a room with 30 children and 1 teacher, which is ridiculous.

I have been sympathetic to Gordon since he came in, but this is the last straw for me. I'm going LibDem all the way now.

Education matters
[info]mazaluk wrote:
Friday, 16 October 2009 at 08:19 am (UTC)
Why go to the trouble and expense of an inquiry into education in primary schools at all?

The private sector has turning out top class pupils for generations. Perhaps its time to take a leaf out of their book rather than the silly political creeds and ideologies of the trendies, lefties and young socialists that make up much of the failing state schools?
WHAT A LOAD OF COBBLERS
[info]soaring_eagle1 wrote:
Friday, 16 October 2009 at 08:40 am (UTC)
What is needed in schools is a more rounded education, children are not going to like school any better but at least they may get some exercise if they reinstate PE, allow children to study the Environment and ecology especially climate change, IT should take a back seat and children to be taught how to become self sufficient. Some schools are already starting to include growing vegetables but I also hope the reason why this is so important is taught alongside.

I think the UN report is correct, there has been more truancy over the years than there ever was when I was a child.

If this means that teachers will be able to teach rather than spend their time filling in forms and loads of paper work, it is at least worth a try.

We had to remove our son from school due to bullying and my husband and I taught him at home and brought in a tutor for subjects we weren't very good at, I taught English, social studies, cookery, sewing, how to take care of a house, we did outside studies which included a rounded knowledge of nature including biology and botany, which also incorporated maths and journaling I also taught him the healing properties of herbs, Mike my husband taught him maths IT I know quiet a lot of these weren't on the curriculum but he then started college at 14 and they were surprised how well rounded he was in his education and he is now training as an accountant.

Our state schooling doesn't always work because some children need to be taught in a less regimented way, he learnt more at home than he ever would at school and he has a knowledge on how to look after himself if he ever moves away from home, he won't live on baked beans on toast he knows how to cook, iron, wash vacuum and dust and we are really proud of his achievements and know he has all the skills for life. He went from a frightened lad to a fully confident teenager in a very short time.

He has also won prizes from college student of the year, and an award plus cheque for his business skills, of course we cannot take the credit for all of this it is also his own hard work and studying that has got him to where he is today.

Removing your child from school shouldn't be done for the wrong reasons, for example they just don't like it, if you do take them out contact a group called Education Otherwise, they know all the important legal stuff and if you do take your child out of school you must educate them, not let them play truant for the rest of their school lives.
Re: WHAT A LOAD OF COBBLERS
[info]bindib wrote:
Friday, 16 October 2009 at 09:16 am (UTC)
Mazaluk please read the article - it is not the Government saying this - it is a report into Primary education (the Government is rejecting the later start proposal)!!!

I cannot think of anything worse for both my daughters than starting school at 6. Children mature at different rates and my elder daughter, although having an August birthday, was very keen to learn and very mature. Still is and has done extremely well at school. School uniform, having lunch at school, bringing home books were all things my daughters really wanted to do and saw moving up from nursery as a real goal and were VERY enthusiastic about it. They both enjoyed school at 4 and still do at 17 and 14.

However, the report is right in that some children should start later but this depends on the educational diet they are receiving until that point. A lot of the forward thinking European countries have an amazing kindergarten curriculum which really prepares children for learning and then accellerates them from 6 years old. However, I have always wondered what you would do with the really bright child who wants to read at 4 and can read whole books at 5? Some parents will never have the time or expertise to enhance a low key learning experience and why should the best children have to wait for something they are crying out to do. I have found very few people who want their children to start formal education at 6 - more parents join in the "parent olympics" all vying to have children brighter than others. All this points to variable intakes which seem to have been abandoned in many areas, but what will happen when 6 year olds are not ready for school? Start at 8?

dyslexia connected to starting reading too soon
[info]mind_ful wrote:
Friday, 16 October 2009 at 08:51 am (UTC)
Research connecting dyslexia with pressure on learning to read before the brain has fully developed has been undertaken at Exeter University. The author has been saying for some time that these findings are in line with continental european findings that a later start is developmentally better for children - especially boys who develop more slowly. The research is described in a readable form in Decoding Dyslexia by J. PoolePHD published by Matador 2008.
The UK has something to learn...
[info]rgk66 wrote:
Friday, 16 October 2009 at 09:13 am (UTC)
Too many people (including many contributors here) think that play-based education means that children are not being taught to read, write and count. Nothing could be further from the truth. My duaghter has just started schol here in Sweden at the age of 6, and prior to this she was at nursery school. The nursery school taught her the basics (the alphabet, counting etc) as part of the play-based curriculum they have here, but the main emphasis was learning social skills through playing together. The first year of school is also play-based with an emphasis on social skills and encouraging curiosity, but the children also learn to read and write as well as doing basic maths. The result is happier and better balanced children than those in the UK, children who subsequently do better in international comparisons than those from the UK. I should add that my eldest son started school in the UK at 4, and he was not happy. The teachers were great and did their best, but the curriculum and associated schooling was too formal, too structured and did not develop those essential social skills that we all need, with bullying as one result. I very much regret putting my son through even part of the UK school system and I would never recommend it to anyone.
Robert Alexander Inquiry into Primary Education
[info]ijazy wrote:
Friday, 16 October 2009 at 09:27 am (UTC)
The recommendation by the Robert Alexander Inquiry to scrap the national curriculum tests for primary school is a recipe for disaster. It will take us back to the bad old days before SATs in which perpetual failure of some schools went un-noticed without exposure of league tables.

The national curriculum tests in general have been a thorn in the side of incompetent teachers who been failing our children, scrapping it would let these teacher off the hook and reward failure.

People working in every profession are subject to scrutiny of peers and other professionals why should teachers be exempt from this scrutiny. Curriculum tests and league tables are a measure of accountability and safeguard against perpetual culture of failure which has become the accepted norm in certain schools around the country.

J Iqbal
Re: Robert Alexander Inquiry into Primary Education
[info]bindib wrote:
Friday, 16 October 2009 at 10:45 am (UTC)
I think some people have been very unlucky with the schools they have enrolled the children at in the UK. Mine had PE, lots of investigation and curiosity arousal, particularly in science based topics, and the formal bit of the day was small and they had satellite classrooms where a whole range of activities took place. There was only one area with formal tables. It helped that the staff were absolutely excellent and did not always bow to Government pressures. The children were nearly always happy although a couple of boys should have delayed starting by a term or two. In fact my childrens' education was as described in Sweden! The school was, and continues to be, excellent in individual learning - going at the pace the child can manage whilst stretching them where needed. I was not aware of any bullying and parents should really find a school which suits their child. Some clearly are not providing what is necessary for ALL 4 year olds.
Re: Robert Alexander Inquiry into Primary Education
[info]frankofyle wrote:
Friday, 16 October 2009 at 12:13 pm (UTC)
May I remind you that the "perpetual failure of some schools" before SATs was the system that saw between 30% and 55% of ALL the world's inventions and discoveries being made by children formerly of that system. Changing it wholesale to reflect the "supermarketisation" of education was an act of incredible stupidity, and one that has put the future of the nation at tremendous risk. The UK has virtually no natural resources other than the skills and creative energy of its population. SATs, the National Curriculum, Ofsted, are mere levers to ensure that the UK workforce competes as factory fodder alongside the poor of India and China (though for 'factory' read 'call-centre').

If you want to know which is a good school and which isn't, then get off your backside and go and look at a few before sending your child to one of them!
Re: Robert Alexander Inquiry into Primary Education
[info]primaryedlee wrote:
Saturday, 17 October 2009 at 11:16 am (UTC)
The SATs really are not all they are cracked up to be. In many cases children are currently taught only what they need to know in order to pass the test. This is not the fault of the teacher, but the fault of the government who writes the "prescribed" curriculum that we currenlty have to teach.

What is the point of children being able to rattle off a list of facts and figures if they can not apply this "knowledge" to a real life context? Learning through play and their own experience of the world is a fantastic idea afterall, how many of us "touched the hot thing" even though we were told not to? We had to experience it to learn not to do it again!

Allowing the children to explore and enquire in the primary class room will be a huge step forward. It is a lso a lesson that Secondary Schools could learn too.
Ooops they did it again.....
[info]wilky1 wrote:
Friday, 16 October 2009 at 10:47 am (UTC)
Once again, ministers meddling and imposing SATs based targets on teachers and schools have scewed up a generation. This report is highly critical of the labour Government and how it has approached this issue and once again, unqualified ministers will override the recommendations of the people who really know what they're doing!!

If Labour can get it right in Wales, why niot in England?

I have 2 kids in full time education at the moment and I feel they have been let down by the Labour policy of "inclusive" education.

I know my next statement will be contraversial and provocative but this is what my own experience is showing me;
Kids who have learning difficulties (much as their parents may wish it) should not be educated in the mainstream system but at specialist establishments. I have seen with my own eyes, the disruption and delays that this system imposed on my progeny. Classes are disrupted constantly and all in the name of inclusivity! I am not a Victorian and don't feel there should be descrimination but making the many suffer to benefit the few is failing the many in my eyes.

schools and teachers
[info]derekdelboyz wrote:
Friday, 16 October 2009 at 11:24 am (UTC)
My 11 year old hates school for all the reasons in this article. He wants to have fun, school and teachers aren't set up to teach in a fun way. Why do they need to be so serious when they are at school. They have 40 + years of adhering to state rules and regulations, company policies, stats and "KPI's" at work. If we the people, not the state really want to change this country we need an education that encourages free thinking, improvisation free from rules, regulations and most of all competition.
A different experience
[info]ferndmem wrote:
Friday, 16 October 2009 at 11:29 am (UTC)
I started school, back in the 1950s, at the age of about four years. I went briefly to a nursery school, but my mother moved me to a private infants school because she thought that the nursery school just let us play all day. The infants school had three classes. When the teacher thought you were ready, she gave you a note for the other teacher and sent you across the hall to the next class. By the time I was in the top class I could already read, so I was allowed not to participate in the reading lessons and could draw pictures or pick whatever book I wanted from the bookcase instead. I vividly remember sitting on the floor by the bookcase with my favourite Robin Hood book - a red-bound book with occasional glossy colour illustration pages - reading that Robin Hood and Little John fought with "quarter-staves" and that the forest "resounded" to their blows and that, when I asked, the teacher explained what those words meant.

We learned long multiplication and division at the age of six! But only if we wanted to. When two of us discovered a Roman milestone in the garden, the headmaster came to give the class a special lesson on Roman numerals and invited us to try multiplication and division with them, so that we could learn how impossible it was.

I have many happy memories of that nursery school and next to none of my very ordinary junior school (where I had to sit through lessons on things I already knew, being bored stiff). After that, I either disliked or hated most of my schooling until the 5th and 6th forms of grammar school.

Based on this experience, I am convinced that rigidly imposing a fixed curriculum and goals for every age is wrong and that the answer is flexibility and responding to the individual child's pace of learning, whether slow or fast. If learning is made interesting and available rather than boring and compulsory, children will choose to learn but perhaps not all the time. Don't stop five year olds learning e.g. long division, make it available to them, but don't pressure them to do it either and respect children's changing interests and attention spans.
Primary Education
[info]sjkillman wrote:
Friday, 16 October 2009 at 12:48 pm (UTC)
The Alexander Report is weak in its scientific rigor and makes comparisons with Kindergarten education in northern Europe that is comparing chalk with cheese. It is though it is a mission to keep repeating the same old mantra that formal education is bad for kids under the age of 6. Firstly, there is no inclusion of one of the most important pieces of evidence, that of Ofsted Reports over the last 15 years, which clearly show improvements in education, particularly in literacy for those from deprived family backgrounds. Secondly, the staff in Sweden, Norway and Finland have to qualify at post-graduate level to teach at Kindergarten - our system only requires NVQ. Thirdly, Northern European countries all have a structured and well established curriculum, and virtually all children apart from those with special needs can read before entering their first primary school at age 7. The report authors should be ashamed of themselves for producing such weak findings and enabling the media sympathetic to the teaching unions - who dismiss anything that may involve school accountability - to repeat yet again such misguided nonsense.
Re: A generation put off school
[info]rendevou5 wrote:
Friday, 16 October 2009 at 01:07 pm (UTC)
New Labour has destroyed state education with an eternal stream of ill-advised, contradictory and often malicious claptrap.
schoolies and politicians
[info]bogbrush2 wrote:
Friday, 16 October 2009 at 04:33 pm (UTC)
There is a lot of talk about stupidity here, the most common element in the universe according to Frank Zappa. What is really stupid is that society, for 30-40 years has tolerated a situation where politicians dictate what goes on in a classroom when most of them are ignorant fiddling twatters. Meanwhile, colleges and universities are producing hoards of new teachers who are enthusiastic qualified professionals, and society is ignoring all of them to a man (or woman) even when they have 10-20 years of experience behind them. Politicians want people trained up as industry-fodder, they don't want to dispense any gratuitous education, as, above all else, they want a pliable population. Teachers on the other hand are usually still idealistic enough to want to imbue the pupils with a desire to learn as well as giving them the basic toolkit of the 3 R's. No wonder politicians and teachers distrust each other. The truth of the matter is of course, that the teaching profession itself has been damaged from within because this situation has been going on long enough that "positive feedback" has now affected their motives and educational abilities. It has also affected parents, many of whom are fairly uneducated themselves and don't expect much from their kids. Not damaged as much as the moral standards of our lords & masters has been damaged (from within, by themselves) of late though. In attempting to create a pliable society trained only up to the minimum needed to sign a benefit form or mark an X in a box once every 5 years I would say the politicians have succeeded beyond their wildest dreams, otherwise they would have been tarred and feathered over their recent trousering of the nations taxes. It's all a bloody mess and no mistake.
Systematic Abuse of the GBC
[info]wringthetruth wrote:
Sunday, 18 October 2009 at 05:25 am (UTC)
I think it was Norman Tebbit who once said ‘if you educate the population then they’ll start questioning your policies’. Old story. Note the famous act pushed through parliament by Michael Howard was called the ’The Children Act’ without a possessive ‘s after children. Thus children are the object of the act rather than the subject, or, putting it into legal jargon, the ‘exhibit’. Anyone who thinks that politicians care about your child is a fool. Only you can really care about your child.
Here, here to an earlier contributor regarding the value of an inspirational teacher. It would have been nice to have had at least one inspirational teacher myself. Can you teach a teacher to be inspirational? I think not. You can certainly disincline a potentially inspirational teacher from becoming a teacher by prescribing too strictly a teaching method or content. And by the way learning theory is always speculative. League tables are as crude as they are obvious in the state’s shadowy control of the population. Education has always been a political football. Politicians are in the business of selling balls.
For me twenty minutes a day or there abouts was enough and I taught myself to read at five (Good old ‘Peter and Jane’); with a little encouragement from my mother, I got on with it. I don’t think I’m special. When I went to school I never bothered to read. I wanted to grub around in the dirt and gaze at the sky. The most interesting thing about school was girls. The first big word I learnt was ‘hypocrisy’. I was 8. Ted Heath was just introducing Value Added Tax (incredible to think that people actually swallowed this con). I was thinking about adults in general but it made perfect sense to me.
I’m not advocating letting the littluns run wild all day but children as a matter for the State are as political as taxation or transport or public health. The UK I think, is still a democracy, so in theory, when the once great British Public get off their collective hands and realize how divisive the politics of education is, they may stop the state from fiddling with the early education of the Great British Children.
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Sunday, 18 October 2009 at 02:10 pm (UTC)
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schooling
[info]fnc2009 wrote:
Monday, 19 October 2009 at 10:16 am (UTC)
what most people don't realise is that the extended school age timeframes render schools as little more than glorfied child-minding institutions at worst, pressure cookers at best. Starting children early does assist with socialisation - sometimes but not always and allows parents to work - keeping them on beyond the minimal age for work is designed specifically to keep them off the benefits queues but does little to prepare them for the work place or their futures. To argue that it opens up more opportunities is only valid if the student actually sees something worth working towards and the problem comes when they see themselves going into a trade but because of compulsory schooling practices they are forced to wait and participate in courses they think have little relevence to them. Also to say that students who drop out early don't do well isn't true - when they return to study as mature students (and they often do) they have both the desire and maturity to cope with education and see its benefits and relevence and do better as a result. Unfortunately the west has a youth oriented culture complete with a mythos regarding that people over a certain age are either stupid, worthless, or unable to add value to a business - something that any reasonable person knows is undeniably stupid.
dyslexia
[info]fnc2009 wrote:
Monday, 19 October 2009 at 10:37 am (UTC)
Dyslexia is an all encompassing term for a large group of learning / reading / shape identification problems. Children are bundeled in together despite their different problems and DIFFERENT STRENGTHS - yes they have strengths in other areas which may comensate naturally. Unfortunately there is still the presumption that all students learn at the same time in the same way - a type of one size fits all - and this idealised norm is what everyone is compared against.


did anyone ask why the parents tried to get the children to read early? could it be that they noticed that there was a problem in the way the child was replicating things or perceiving shapes in the first place? Was there an absence of other forms of visual stimulation and identification. Visual identification is a priori within the human species- we identify movement first then shapes that have been given meaning (note a human figure always draws our attention first in any landscape). After this comes sound and the human voice pervades our consciosness first if it is high pitched (paniced) and sounds we associate with danger or out of place other than that it revolves around things that interest us or we find valueable. Note many dyslexics have great auditory interpretation and memory.

Most children who are exposed to reading and listening and see letters and their shapes together as whole words and concepts and images tend to read well. Those who are slow to learn to read either don't have the positive encouragement at home or are taught to sound out letters within words rather than seeing the letters as a word that means something. Sounding out is good for speaking aloud but not for either spelling or reading for meaning.
bullied full stop
[info]suffbeach wrote:
Wednesday, 21 October 2009 at 11:41 am (UTC)
My youngest child aged 10, who makes his little 'left to its own rural devices' primary school, look good with the academic marks he achieves - is on the point of leaving school to be taught by a private tutor combined with Education Otherwise. East Anglia seems to have a very poor reputation in terms of the way it's institutions behave. Firstly through no fault of his own, he suffers from periods of bad health, apart from the usual flu/viruses etc, things like scarlet fever, pnuemonia, however due to the tiny size of the school and the dreadful head, (one of only two duff candidates for the job), my son has literally been hounded about absence, on his return after illness with all the correct paperwork, he is subjected to overbearing interviews about whether he has been ill or at home with mummy for another reason, making him feel nervous, and as if he has been badly behaved. He has never been in trouble for being badly behaved in a school setting. His reports normally say he is hardworking, helpful and has w good social skills and helps others.

On top of this he has been bullied since reception - the school has done nothing apart from deny it.

When I started to flag up issues of real concern to the education department, including the lack of HPA guidelines being followed for infections in school. The head banned his mother, disabled with three diseases from the local sports day, leaving our son, with no parent to watch - due to father working away with the only salary coming in. We also make journeys by taxi £30 a time to reach modern GP care, all funded ourselves.

Our son has been left traumatized and unable to move to a neighbouring school due to fright about the amount of bullied children who moved over to our school, from that one, plus a GP who struck the whole family off for having scarlet fever, has his wife working there.

We wonder with the accountability for public wages how in one area, two heads of small primary schools off with stress, despite parents asking for help..... no help coming just new heads and others put out of sight on a sickness wage, and this particular head allowed to bend the rules and bully an entire family. Naturally he gets away with it and the education department turn a full blind eye.

Some parts of East Anglia are so off the mark with regard to this behaviour that we hope that a documentary will be made about it's local institutions.


Prior to the arrival of this dysfunctional head, we had a reasonable standard of living. All our children do well at school, but 5 year's of trauma may now ruin this for our bright young son.
Six is great!
[info]kfauziak wrote:
Wednesday, 28 October 2009 at 07:56 am (UTC)
I have three children ages 7, 8 and 21 months. I have been home educating my eldest 2 for a year. Their confidence is at a peak and they love education. Our thoughts for Higher Ed are positive, because they actually enjoy learning without competition and pressure. Competition and pressure can be motivating in your teen years, but right now are children need nurturing and a Free range approach. Let them explore and master their basic Numercay an Literacy skills before they are able to tackle the extended curriculum.

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