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Girls shouldn't expect to 'have it all' says school head

By Alison Kershaw, PA

Girls' expectations that they can "have it all" may be overly ambitious and they should not feel guilty for taking time out of future careers to raise children, a leading headmistress said today.

Schools need to teach teenage girls about the realities of juggling a career with having children, and that life is more complicated than "having it all", according to Jill Berry, president of the Girls' Schools Association (GSA).

While it is "healthy" for girls to aim to have "a flash sports car with a baby seat in the back", they need to realise that they will face challenges and have to make choices in life, she said.

Speaking ahead of the GSA's annual conference in Harrogate next week, Mrs Berry told the Times Educational Supplement: "They will need to realise that there may be times when they might not want to work, or they might want to take a lesser job because their priorities have changed. It is important that they leave school at 18 with their eyes open."

Mrs Berry said that girls should "stop beating themselves up" if they cannot juggle a career with being a wife and mother at the same time.

"Your priorities shift, but you're not selling out - you are facing reality and trying to be realistic about what you can achieve and you should stop beating yourself up about it," she said.

Most women are unable to "keep all the plates spinning", Mrs Berry, who is also head of Dame Alice Harpur School in Bedford, said.

Message in recent years have led girls to expect that they can "have it all", but this has made life seem simpler than it is, she said.

But she said girls should still be taught that they can be independent and compete with men in the workplace.

"When my pupils try to wind me up by saying they plan to marry a rich man to support them, I ask them 'what if he runs off with the au pair?"'

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Girls can't have it all
[info]strombyworld wrote:
Friday, 13 November 2009 at 01:11 pm (UTC)
What a positive step. The reality of motherhood and, in particular, lone parenthood, which is increasingly common (if not sooner, then later) is that looking after children's needs - physical, educational and social - aswell as maintaining a house, an adult relationship and making sure your own needs are met, is already a full-time job. A family takes time, organisation and loads of management. Why women think they can do all this and a paid full-time job aswell is beyond me. If you're lucky enough to have a lot of money and help, then it's possible with a lot of stress. If you're able to find satisfying, well-paid, part-time work then you're very fortunate. Most women don't have these things and it's incredibly tough. And you just try contorting yourself to get a baby seat in and out of the back of a sports car.
Inspirational?
[info]t_keane wrote:
Friday, 13 November 2009 at 01:26 pm (UTC)
Why is it 'healthy' to aim to have a sports car with a baby seat in the back?

This just re-enforces the view that material possessions are the be all and end all of human existence. Even after the near meltdown of the banking sector from greed and excess there is still this pervasive view that money and possessions are the primary driver of human welfare. In my view and the view of numerous studies on human happiness relationships and feeding the senses are what makes people truly happy.

At a time when we are on the edge of environmental catastrophy and when the average UK lifestyle (which presumably doesn't include a sports car on the drive) relies on a 3 planet lifestyle I find it depressing that a woman in Jill Berry's position, one that should be about inspiring young people, uses her role to encourage young people to aspire to unsustainable lifestyles based on self-interest and greed.
Re: Inspirational?
[info]kaysward wrote:
Friday, 20 November 2009 at 02:28 pm (UTC)
Thats a very narrow minded view! I happen to have raised 3 boys and trained in a profession! I am the bread winner! I work the night shifts! the weekends! do most of the cleaning and I am incharge of all the house hold matters bills ect. Meanwhile my husband has a low paid job with no stress and no desire to improve himself and get a career! Why bother when I do the earning?? so you see its not just woman that have an easy ride! some men do too
[info]schlomo_iii wrote:
Friday, 13 November 2009 at 02:39 pm (UTC)
No one should 'expect to have it all', but radical feminism has set us on such a rollercoast ride into rampant feminisation of society, that girls learn (and have done for at least twenty years) that being born with a vagina, means having won the lottery of life.
B...t
[info]schubidubiduu wrote:
Friday, 13 November 2009 at 04:06 pm (UTC)
There are alternative scenarios that she does not mention: 1) just don't have babies; 2) don't marry a British bloke since those guys apparently are not able to combine a busy career in the office and the pub with fatherhood duties!
Re: B...t
[info]ancientoneuk wrote:
Friday, 13 November 2009 at 11:27 pm (UTC)
Thank you for that generalisation against British blokes as I brought my daughter up on my own since she was a baby and against horrendous prejudice too...

Not all blokes here fit into that wide tar brushing you just used.
Hmm.
[info]petal1983 wrote:
Friday, 13 November 2009 at 04:26 pm (UTC)
Obviously there are no moves to inform boys that childcare is also their responsibilty and it shouldn't be just down to women to juggle families and careers? You know, Career Women are accused of trying to have it all, whereas blokes with families and jobs aren't anything other than, well men. How sad that we still live in times of such caveman atitudes. It's not about being thought of as better than or even the same as men, but as individuals. What right do complete strangers have to comment on the fact I don't have kids and make "tick tock" noises? As a woman I lose the right to respect?
Re: Hmm.
[info]t_keane wrote:
Friday, 13 November 2009 at 05:01 pm (UTC)
As a man who was sadly divorced and left grasping at thin air for anything like a proportionate amount of time with his beautiful children I would like you to know that those dads who are extremely keen to play a full role in theri children's lives are nothing but 2nd class citizens when it comes to legal/moral rights. I'm tired seeing women suggest all men are useless fathers, or as you put it, 'just men'.
Re: Hmm.
[info]stevvi wrote:
Friday, 13 November 2009 at 08:21 pm (UTC)
I am a father and also primary carer to our (sometimes) lovely 7 year old boy. I am also a pre-school practitioner with a wife that works full time in the "City". I have sacrificed so much and also gained so much by "sacrificing" my stereotypical role. So, petal1983, may I suggest you find a male companion who is compatible with your ideas/ideals as there are many out there... but perhaps you don't one?
Re: Hmm.
[info]petal1983 wrote:
Friday, 13 November 2009 at 08:45 pm (UTC)
It seems that I have been misunderstood. I wasn't having a go at men, but rather societal attitudes. In fact the comments I had issue with were in fact made by women. See below for a clearer explanation.
Re: Hmm.
[info]petal1983 wrote:
Friday, 13 November 2009 at 08:43 pm (UTC)
I neither described men as being useless fathers, nor reduced men to the "just" status, and I apologise if I came across that way.

The point I was trying to make is that there are too many labels for women when all they are trying to do is to live a life that is fufilling to them. Sometimes they can't win - if they want a career, they are criticised for not being a full time parent, if they are a full time parent, they are criticised for being too dependent on men. I think not only should these choices be avaiable to women without fear of society's condemnation, but also to men.

I don't have children, but I used to work somewhere that I heard stories like yours daily. I hope that it gets resolved soon and that you are able to have the relationship with your children that you all need and deserve.
No, you can't have it all. Skip the kids!
[info]archaopteryx wrote:
Friday, 13 November 2009 at 04:35 pm (UTC)
It is important for girls and young women to realize that one cannot have everything in life and that it is important to choose wisely.
But it would be far more progressive, transformative and ecological if instead of stressing that "girls should not feel guilty for taking time out of future careers to raise children", the headmistress suggested that girls should not feel guilty about foregoing motherhood to pursue real ambitions and self-development.
This is the same old same old. Marry, plop brats, give up your life and independence, add to overpopluation, conspire in setting back other, more free-thinking and imaginative women who want more out of life than you.
Re: No, you can't have it all. Skip the kids!
[info]rojaws wrote:
Friday, 13 November 2009 at 05:56 pm (UTC)
This is the same old same old. Marry, plop brats, give up your life and independence, add to overpopluation, conspire in setting back other, more free-thinking and imaginative women who want more out of life than you.

We'll be in a bit of a muddle if every woman on earth decides to 'skip the kids'!
It's a bit like the old rhetorical question,asked of Mark Twain, "What would men be without women"?
the boys
[info]whystherum wrote:
Friday, 13 November 2009 at 04:56 pm (UTC)
I assume she doesn't say the same thing about boys, because childcare is womens work.

Apparantly.

Shouldn't we be more concerned about our boys as well, telling them it's OK to step off the career ladder and that it's important for them to spend time with their families? Family life will be happier and fairer for all involved.
'Have it all" silly man-mediated slogan
[info]powerforpossums wrote:
Friday, 13 November 2009 at 05:12 pm (UTC)
I could not agree more with t_keane on this one- the quality of Mrs Berry's comment and their wording ('keeping all the plates spinning'? are we talking about a circus performance here?) go to show she comes from the tradition of the patriarchal order which as a default bestows women with the sole responsibility of childcare and caring for the family's needs. Rather than groom girls into a lifetime of difficult choices designed to spare boys/men from ever becoming fully-fledged adults able to form meaningful relationships, we should challenge the social order which still blatantly favours one group at the expense of the other. And, again, following t_keane's thought, having it all definitely does not mean a sports car and the baby seat in it- you could accept that from an impressionable 13- year old, but from a headteacher? disturbing.
is it just me? ...
[info]social_liberal wrote:
Friday, 13 November 2009 at 07:52 pm (UTC)
Is it just me or is the scaryest line in this whole article: "'When my pupils try to wind me up by saying they plan to marry a rich man to support them'" ?

I mean .. you have GOT to be kidding ... is this all the girls in this country aim for these days? ... We spend all our time trying to make sure that everyone has equality in pay, rights, etc .. so that our girls can decide "all I want from my life is to marry the first rich guy I can jump into bed with" ?

will boys be taught the same?
[info]mind_ful wrote:
Saturday, 14 November 2009 at 09:16 am (UTC)
so lets hope boys will be taught how to be good parents while holding down good jobs. That really would be equality. The point is not that girls shold have it all, but that they should have access to equal opportunities, regardless of sex.
Commonsense
[info]proximaking wrote:
Saturday, 14 November 2009 at 10:27 am (UTC)
Most of women's mental problems these days, and it is reckoned a third of young women have mental problems, is due largely to them being away from the kitchen sink. Women are no use in most professions and what's more women know it. We are heading back at a great rate of knots to "Man Power" and thank God for that for all our sakes, every woman is some man's daughter and we want what is best for them and trying to become men isn't it.
[info]ucups wrote:
Saturday, 14 November 2009 at 12:16 pm (UTC)
If 80% of people in prison are male, shouldn't we be warning young boys that they may end up in jail?
[info]loopon wrote:
Saturday, 14 November 2009 at 11:35 pm (UTC)
Well men manage to have it all, so I don't see why women can't really. I'm certainly very happy and have all I want. These things always seem very one-sided with a bit of an agenda behind them. The other week there was a survey showing that - surprise surprise - the vast majority of women would rather not work and be looked after instead. Did anyone ask the men? Who wouldn't like to give up work and spend time with their family and their hobbies and be paid for?

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