University degrees are a waste of time – the damning verdict of British students
Thursday, 10 April 2008
David Sandison
Ian Merricks decided not to go to university and instead started work aged 18 as a freelance music promoter
Undergraduates fear that the Government's drive to get half of young people into university will make degrees worthless and leave them struggling to get a good job after graduation, an official report revealed yesterday.
Students, who on average now graduate owing £21,500, believe that they will be forced to take on more debt to study for a postgraduate qualification to make them stand out in the jobs market.
The findings will make worrying reading for ministers who have pledged to have 50 per cent of young people studying for a degree by 2010. John Denham, the Universities Secretary, has insisted the target will be stuck to despite conceding that the Government is now unlikely to reach it.
Students' fears about their employability emerged as part of a "student listening programme" by the Department for Innovation, Universities and Skills, which held five focus groups, or "student juries", around the country.
Their report, published yesterday, warned: "Jurors were concerned that, if the number of students participating in higher education continues to increase, having a degree may not actually increase your employability in future and that students would be forced to undertake, at more expense, postgraduate study to maintain a competitive edge with potential employers."
Students on the London jury complained that there was a shortage of good graduate jobs and that the Government's drive to increase student numbers would only make the situation worse. "What are the chances of me getting a good job and what is the worth of my degree in the job market?" asked one person.
Students also told the Manchester jury that the increasing numbers were "having a negative effect" on teaching quality and student services as university budgets became more stretched. "Many classes are large and impersonal," said one student.
Another said: "This target that the Government has to get 50 per cent of students into higher education is putting too much pressure on my university and I think the quality of teaching is getting worse as they have to employ greater numbers of staff."
However, students in Sheffield said that the best part of their undergraduate experience had been the opportunity to improve their career prospects.
A spokesman for the Department for Innovation, Universities and Skills (DIUS), said that getting a degree made financial sense as university graduates enjoyed a £100,000 premium over school leavers during their working lives.
"Higher education remains one of the best ways to ensure a fulfilling and successful career, as well as a brighter financial future," the spokesman said.
"Unemployment amongst university leavers remains very low as employers continue to appreciate the highly developed skills and talents that all graduates bring to their businesses. Graduates can expect to earn considerably more over their careers than those workers without a degree. The average graduate earns comfortably over £100,000 net of tax more, in today's valuation, compared to someone who just has A-levels."
Wes Streeting, president-elect of the National Union of Students, welcomed the Government's consultation of students but warned that students needed better support and guidance about institutions and courses. He said: "We are pleased that the Government is listening to students through exercises such as these, and we hope that DIUS and the higher education sector act on the issues raised by those students who took part."
Ian Merricks, 29: 'It was more important to experience business'
Ian Merricks decided not to go to university and instead started work aged 18 as a freelance music promoter. Since then he has forged a successful career in the media, and owns a publishing company producing guides for young people...
"When I was looking at going to university it seemed to me that it could be prohibitively expensive. While I had been doing my A-levels I had been working part-time as a music promoter then when I finished college the record label offered me a full-time job.
"I thought I'd spend a year as a freelance giving it a go and if it didn't work out I would treat it as a gap year and a useful experience. By the end of the year I employed a couple of staff, had my own office and was running a successful music promotion business.
"My view is that I don't think any of the opportunities I have had have been as a result or not or going to university. It would have been fun to go but in terms of what I wanted to do in media, music and marketing I did not really need a degree. It's been more important for me to get experience of different types of business."
James Baldwin-Webb, 26: 'If I hadn't gone, I'd be in a more senior role by now'
James Baldwin-Webb achieved a 2:1 degree in molecular biology at Kent University in 2003 and hoped to pursue a career in cancer research. Today he has student debts of £10,000, works in advertising and believes that he would have been better off if he had gone straight into work...
"I largely think that doing that particular degree was a waste of time. I enjoyed doing it but when I graduated it was impossible to get the sort of job I wanted because although I had a degree I didn't have the experience they wanted. Then I found that I actually enjoyed elements of the part- time job that I had in a computer games shop more than I enjoyed being in the lab. I found I was really good at selling to customers and at getting them what they wanted. I liked that interaction much more than doing lab work. I think there's a lot of pressure on people to go to university when it might not be the best choice for everyone. If I hadn't gone to university I'd be three years further on in my current career and would be in a more senior role by now. I don't think I learnt any skills at university that have helped me in my career. I'm sure that my thinking was refined during my time at university but I think that would have happened just as well through training in the workplace."

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Im a Portuguese undergraduate and in my opinion Portuguese students are struggling with the same problems as English students. But I still think it is better to have a degree and to try and find a job with a higher qualification.
Posted by hodois | 16.04.08, 12:46 GMT
I worry somewhat that some posters here are concerned about the quality of University -tuition-. The main benefit to be taken from ongoing education be it at university or elsewhere is the ability to learn by oneself with the minimum of steering by learned hands.
Indeed, the whole point of further education in my opinion ought to be to learn what you want to know and perhaps only secondarily to gain a qualification. On this standard one will always tend to advance more than simply following the syllabus of a degree.
Now it is this proactivity in learning that sets out a good student and consequently a good graduate and employment prospect simply because a proactivity in one aspect of character usually translates to a proactive attitude to life in general.
This attitude is what has always shone through to employers not the grade you received - simply they know how easy it is just to slope through life doing taking the easy route, doing just enough to get a good grade and no more.
Posted by J Moran | 15.04.08, 13:55 GMT
I just think in general university is a waste of time and money. Everyone on my course thought so, it was very disappointing. We had 8 hours a week, i could have got a few books out over the course of a few years and learnt from them. Lectures also make you buy their books, they must make a killing.
My advice to anyone who wants to go to uni is, join a library and learn on your own, its just as productive. or.......... just join in a random lecture and learn for free, THEY DONT HAVE REGISTERS!!!!
Posted by Nick E | 15.04.08, 09:27 GMT
What Robin Cowley has failed to grasp is that graduate schemes are designed to find people with work experience who also have a degree. It is impossible for someone with no work experience to possess the knowledge required to be be accepted onto a graduate scheme.
Given that most graduates cannot afford to move overseas, and that being a teacher is a thankless and dead end job it is not surprising that most graduate 'aren't interested' these jobs. Since the Government provides no training programs in areas that people want to work in graduates are unable to gain any revelant work experience.
Unless a scheme is set up to give graduate the work experience employers want we are heading towards a society with high levels of long-term graduate unemployment (once you've been unemployed for a few years no employer will hire you).
Posted by Tommy | 11.04.08, 13:06 GMT
The Government claims that graduates earn £100,000 more than people without degrees. There are two things wrong with this statement. First, it's based on people who are working now, including people who graduated 30 or 40 years ago. Back then, relatively few people got degrees, so it's not surprising they have enjoyed a substantial premium over their working lives. Will teh premium stay the same over the next 30-40 years? We don't know, but it seems unlikely.
Secondly, £100,000 is an average. PwC wrote a report for the Royal Society of Chemistry and Institute of Physics a couple of years ago. This showed that some degrees are worth a lot more than others. The hourly rate premium over a level 3 qualification (A levels or equivalent) is highest for medicine (44%), followed by law (39%), engineering (31%), and chemisty and physics (both 30%). At the other end of the scale, a degree in history provides an earnings premium of only 13%; the premium for linguistics, English and Celtic Studies is 15%; and psychology, 16%. Again, these are historic data, based on people who are already working. For some degrees, the gap may narrow to zero in the years to come.
Posted by Will H | 11.04.08, 08:39 GMT
This article is completely ridiculous. A good academic degree from a good University will open many doors. However, there is still some additional responsibility from the candidate to appear employable.
Posted by Davey Cooper | 11.04.08, 07:03 GMT
Universities have been granted a virtual monopoly on training for a professional life and have not been slow to milk this monopoly by making such training unnecessarily long and expensive. It's high time we devised ways to provide professional training outside institutions which are committed to research and scholarly publication. Universities are the biggest hindrance to useful innovation and meaningful competition in post secondary education.
That said, for many people there are still good reasons for going to university--especially if one is prepared and eager to read, think, and converse.
Posted by Ian Johnston | 11.04.08, 01:28 GMT
Getting a degree is absolutely essential if you want to do anything worthwhile with your life. The one or two successful people who didn't get a degree are not representative of the the millions who end up in dead end jobs for their entire lives.
That said, getting a degree is not enough by itself. If you expect a piece of paper to get you a good job you have a reasonable chance of being disappointed.
Young people need to get an education, it doesn't have to be vocational (in fact I think vocational degrees are much more limiting), but they also have to make sure they get workplace experience - volunteer/ part-time/ whatever - in the field they want to work in after uni. This is what no one tells you in college, and is probably the main reason why gradutes get screwed when they try to enter the job market with a 2:1, high expectations, and nothing else to recommend them to emloyers.
Posted by Richard T | 11.04.08, 00:27 GMT
WITH BUSINESS MANAGEMENT AND URBAN DEVEOLPMENT DECREE AND £14,000 DEBT , I HAVE MANAGED TO FIND FLOOR SALESMAN TEMP.JOB in December LAAST YEAR AT M&S .
GOVERNMENT SLOGANS ARE MISLEDING.
GOVERNMENT ACTIONS HAS MADE ENGLAND THE MOST EXPENSIVE PLACE TO STUDY AND TO LIVE.
Posted by jO | 10.04.08, 22:47 GMT
This makes sense - we do not need all the 'Universities' we have at present.
What we need are a few really excellent Universities for those with the willingness to do difficult research, basic thinking and calculation - and a lot of practical-skills-development centers like the valuable Polytechnics we used to have - so we have a practical and useful workforce who can develop and apply the basics to competitive advantage.
Beyond this, we need Colleges to teach excellent education skills.
It's time to re-organize back to the excellence we once had - supplying different skill sets to different types of people.
Posted by Bob Brown | 10.04.08, 21:56 GMT
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