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The sinking of Blue Peter

Biddy Baxter, legendary editor of the flagship children's show, lets fly at the BBC – and Peter Purves

By Andy McSmith

Andy Akinwolere, Helen Skelton and Joel Defries, the current presenters of 'Blue Peter'

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Andy Akinwolere, Helen Skelton and Joel Defries, the current presenters of 'Blue Peter'

Biddy Baxter, the longstanding Blue Peter editor who saw to it that a whole generation of children became good citizens by watching the show, has accused the BBC of being "hugely irresponsible" by ignoring its mission to educate.

Her latest cause for anger is the revelation that the programme she devised and ruled over for 26 years now has the lowest audience figures in its history. She blames a culture that prefers game shows to quality children's programmes.

She also accused her old employers of getting in a "panic" when facing tricky decisions such as what to do about Carol Thatcher, or whether to broadcast an appeal for Gaza.

This week, the BBC Trust issued a report warning that Blue Peter's viewing figures have fallen below 100,000, after the show's slot was brought forward 20 minutes, to 4.35pm, to make room for The Weakest Link. A third of its young audience has been lost in just over a year.

"It's really rather shocking that the public service broadcasting channel has sold out in that way," Ms Baxter said. "This collapse in the figures must be due to the time. At 4.35pm, a great many children, especially the older ones, are still in school. I'm sure it's not because of the presenters, because they have got three absolutely great presenters. It's hugely irresponsible of the BBC to renege on their responsibility to a very important section of their audience. Children watch enough adult programmes not to be fobbed off with rubbish."

She also criticised the BBC for their handling of Carol Thatcher. She said: "I'm not condoning what was said, but it wasn't broadcast, but when you compare it with the Jonathan Ross business, it's just so inconsistent. And when I heard that incredible statement by Jay Hunt [controller, BBC1] I could almost see the jackboots."

Now aged 75, Ms Baxter produced and then edited Blue Peter from 1962 to 1988 - the programme's golden years, when children were given advice on gardening, caring for pets, and collecting milk bottles tops for charity. Ms Baxter made a practice of ensuring that every letter the programme received from children was answered. She has collected the best of the correspondence into a book, published last September. The jewel of the collection is a letter she received in 1973 from a nine-year-old named Anthony Hollander, who confessed to a "strange belief" that he knew "how to make people or animals come alive". He asked for a shopping list of materials he needed, including a model of a heart "split in half" and "tools for cutting people open".

Ms Baxter wrote back encouraging him to ask a family doctor. The impact on the child of receiving a reply that took his letter seriously was, he said later, life-changing. He is now Professor of Rheumatology and Tissue Engineering at Bristol University. Last year, he performed an operation that saved the life of a Spanish woman, by giving her a new windpipe made from her own stem cells.

"I still have the original letter," she said. I'm meeting Anthony Hollander next month. I think he deserves to have his own letter back. I'll make a photocopy for the BBC Archives."

Her book is fully in the spirit of the old Blue Peter, down to the detail that she is not seeking to make any money from it. Proceeds will go towards supporting graduates from music academies.

It is very different from the memoir written by Peter Purves, Here's One I Wrote Yesterday, which revealed some steamy happenings behind the scenes at Blue Peter.

To help publicise the book, Purves has talked about his brief affair with Valerie Singleton when they were co-presenters, and dropped a hint that he may have had an affair with presenter, Lesley Judd. He has also revealed he used to smoke cannabis and complained that he would have liked to appear on screen in flared trousers, kipper ties, and cowboy boots but had to defer to Ms Baxter's more conservative dress sense.

"She put me in Norwegian jerseys – awful things with deer on the front," he told The Daily Mail. "I didn't get on with her, and there were times when I actively disliked her intensely. She ruled the show, and she never understood me."

Reminded of these accusations yesterday, Ms Baxter just laughed. "I haven't read the book. Anybody is entitled to write a book if they want to, though whether it will sell, I don't know. What is a 'celebrity'? It seems very elastic.

"Peter was very lucky to have had Blue Peter as his springboard. I am sure he was absolutely terrific when he was introducing Crufts. You know his interest in dogs sprang from taking Petra the Blue Peter dog under his wing. That was one of the springboards the programme gave him."

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The BBC needs to wake up
[info]northwest0161 wrote:
Wednesday, 11 February 2009 at 05:55 am (UTC)
By the time the BBC and the nation realises what it has lost, people like Jay Hunt will be long gone on their next step up the cynical TV executive career ladder. In exactly the same way as no one was accountable for all the historic BBC programmes that were destroyed from the 1960's through to the 1990's.

The Corporation is sleepwalking towards becoming an irrelevance. The reason why so many of us aged in our 40's have a certain affection for the BBC is precisely because 8 million of us DID watch the likes of Val, John and Peter in the 1960's. Now less than 100,000 watch the (very fine) team of Andy, Helen and Joel.

By rights the BBC should be extremely frightened about the future. But, unlike Biddy Baxter, today's executives only care about the short-term and their next career step.

And anyway isn't the move to an earlier slot probably just part of a deliberate attempt to kill off Blue Peter before the children's department move to Salford?

British TV needs to get back to public service broadcasting basics. There must be a clear out of top people who don't 'get' what PSB is supposed to be about.
Re: The BBC needs to wake up
[info]zansal wrote:
Wednesday, 11 February 2009 at 08:36 am (UTC)
Totally agree. I'm 42 and I probably spend more time on YouTube looking for old clips of classic BBC programmes than actually watching the stuff put out today.

The BBC can't even get it's website sorted properly - I live in France and much of the content is blocked. There's really no point visiting the site when I can go to other sites like this one and get better access to news from back home.

I do believe in 20 years time the BBC will no longer exist but will have been split, sold off and re-branded.
Re: The BBC needs to wake up
[info]elizwy wrote:
Wednesday, 11 February 2009 at 06:41 pm (UTC)
I too live in France. I don't seem to be able to see BBC television - but this is not the BBC's fault. How do you know 'much of the content is blocked'? and who is doing the blocking?? The French object to broadcasting in English as a matter of principle, as you presumably know. My main objection is having to endure the ads that appear on the BBC here. I actually haven't seen TV for 8 years, so am not qualified to judge the rest, though I have been appalled by what I've seen when in England, and also abroad on holiday. But then I always preferred C4 anyway, especially Jon Snow/their news. I now receive Snowmail each day, a breath of fresh air.
Re: The BBC needs to wake up
[info]zansal wrote:
Wednesday, 11 February 2009 at 07:14 pm (UTC)
When [I used to...] visit the BBC website on many occasions I would simply get a message on an audio or video file that "the content was not licensed for my territory".
Re: The BBC needs to wake up
[info]elizwy wrote:
Thursday, 12 February 2009 at 12:00 pm (UTC)
Yes, but I have an idea that the 'fault' is that of the French preventing the BBC. The BBC say they are working on this. (I can't get anything on IPod. It's probably part of the thing about promoting the French language above all else, and English in particular. You know they have to broadcast (I mean their own radio broadcasters) by law, a huge percentage of French stuff - so French pop, etc. (say no more).
Re: The BBC needs to wake up
[info]sunkingy wrote:
Wednesday, 11 February 2009 at 11:51 am (UTC)
Would it have had all those viewers in the 60's if kids had as many alternatives to tv as they do nowadays?
Blue Peter
[info]theklf99 wrote:
Wednesday, 11 February 2009 at 07:14 am (UTC)
Hopefully the BBC realises it's mistake and revitalises Blue Peter, either putting it back on at it's normal time, or moving it on to the CBBC channel during the time The Weakest Link is on, instead of the rubbish that is currently on the CBBC channel at that time.

I really hope Blue Peter doesn't follow the same path that all the other programmes that have made the BBC great have gone, such as Grange Hill, Byker Grove and of course Top Of The Pops, and of course the fact that the BBC let C5 take Neighbours, although I would have hoped that by letting go of a programme that was costing them too much licence fee payers money anyway they could invest in more original ideas from the BBC, not just stick The Weakest Link in there instead.

Blue Peter has had some really good presenters in the past and has helped many charities and organisations. Possibly one of the best things was when The Scout Association in the UK made the ex-Blue Peter presenter Peter Duncan Chief Scout of the UK, for the scouting centenary. This really shows how much influence the show has had in the past, and still has today on young people.
I'm not condoning what was said
[info]nled63 wrote:
Wednesday, 11 February 2009 at 07:47 am (UTC)

"I'm not condoning what was said, but it wasn't broadcast..." depends what Baxter means by "broadcast". Carol Thatcher is a public figure who made a racist remark in an ostensibly private situation which found its way into the public domain. The press circulated (broadcast) that remark widely. To defend Thatcher's remark on the basis that it was "made privately" is to suggest - to my mind at least - that in some cases, racist remarks are legitimate. They are not. Racism is racism, & expressions of racism are indefensible at any level.
BBC
[info]johnnynorfolk wrote:
Wednesday, 11 February 2009 at 08:27 am (UTC)
To little to late.

The BBC is out of control. It does not keep to its charter and needs reforming. With a much smaller budget.
Commercial Interests
[info]humble_sparrow wrote:
Wednesday, 11 February 2009 at 08:51 am (UTC)
The BBC lost its value years ago when it tried to compete with trash TV that considers viewing figures and commercial interests above anything else.

This was shown at it's most blatant over the phone poll scandal and with the superficiality of Jonathon what's his name and that manic guy, you know the one with funny hair...

Knowledge and large chunks of integrity have simply disappeared, all run by and for the benefit of vain celebrity.

Maybe that's what the 'people' want, who knows, it's just a shame, a great loss.
The decline of Blue Peter is symptomatic of this county's problem
[info]sirruss wrote:
Wednesday, 11 February 2009 at 10:16 am (UTC)


I remember the good old days of Blue Peter and the fun to be had with elephants and zoo-keepers.

Perhaps they could get Carol Thatcher and Jonathan Ross on the programme to boost audience interest. Rossy could lead Carol on with a lead, she could piss on the floor and he could slip up in it.
CBBC
[info]northwest0161 wrote:
Wednesday, 11 February 2009 at 11:13 am (UTC)
I think these 'ghetto' digital channels are part of the problem. Children's TV gets shunted off to the CBBC channel or CBeebies, quality programmes are on BBC4. It has failed for Channel 4 (where, financially, the main channel has ended up subsidising tripe on E4 and Film 4 and it is failing for the BBC. Too many hours to fill, leading to a dilution of funds and the audience.
newsround
[info]bobby2000 wrote:
Wednesday, 11 February 2009 at 12:38 pm (UTC)
One of the main reasons for Newsrounds loss of viewers is (in my opinion) that the BBC is to concerned about getting the ethnic mix right instead of using presenters with
personality.
John Craven was (and is) on a different level than some of today's presenters.
Some of the present team are just talking heads and incapable of holding anybodies attention for more a few moments.

R.Hobbs.

Servants Serve, Exploiters Exploit.
[info]kaptainkitten wrote:
Wednesday, 11 February 2009 at 12:43 pm (UTC)
This is the problem with the BBC, across the board it has been taken over by those who do rather well in the commercial world.

But people in the commercial world get to the top because of their ability to exploit (viewers), and make money for shareholders in so-doing.

These people can't switch that aspect "off", that is who they are.


I suppose this has been the problem in many other public services as well.
miss b alive n kicking
[info]nicholson007 wrote:
Wednesday, 11 February 2009 at 01:23 pm (UTC)
she's got a point - however much she was hated by her merry band of presenters - she represents a breed of upright British women , with stirdy backbone and strong metal - who believe intensly in and have always been highly vocal about their ideals when it comes to society. Baxter may have been a bossy boots but she had integrety on many issues. I wonder if my generation can replicate women of such a calibre as her anymore .
BBC
[info]piddle1 wrote:
Wednesday, 11 February 2009 at 01:57 pm (UTC)
The BBC should stop trying to compete with the low grade programmes being shown on Sky and other commercial channels and return to making good quality fare.

The BBC is excellent at documentaries, costume drama, news and sensible childrens shows and serials.

They are funded via Parliament and should not need to be obsessed by viewing figures. The MP's who approve the funding are the very people who demand better quality from them, so would presumably not be too worried by lower audience figures if decent, informative and educational programmes were being shown.
Mindless
[info]the_kegs wrote:
Wednesday, 11 February 2009 at 02:39 pm (UTC)
Children's TV is no longer informative and educational for our kids. To the contrary, it's belittling and crass, ultimately demoralising. It has been so for a generation and look what that generation has brought forth. Sometimes I think it's only there to give mindless adults something to giggle at.
[info]scultore100 wrote:
Wednesday, 11 February 2009 at 04:48 pm (UTC)
Thatcher's remark wasn't in a private place, it was in a workplace, which is entirely different. The facts reported said that a number of colleagues were offended. Hence the ejection.
not what it used to be!!
[info]media73 wrote:
Wednesday, 11 February 2009 at 04:57 pm (UTC)
my brothers and i used to watch blue peter all the time it was on after school, in fact it was pretty much our routine. we liked the fact that there was always something new and interesting all the time and we thoroughly enjoyed the various physical activities the presenters had to do but lately all the programme seems to be about is appearing to be cool as in one of the 'in gang'. i don't know if its down to the current presenters but i feel that something along the lines has gone a miss. my children at the ages of 11 and 13 just are not interested in it. this being at an age where my brothers and i did. the show has lost its character and appeal and i feel they need to stop trying to be so 'cool' and get back to some basic values.......it's no wonder the children of today have the attitude they do towards others with programmes like this giving into the pecking order culture of today.
BLUE PETER JUST ADDS MORE CREDENCE TO THE IDEA THAT THE BBC IS SO COMPLETELY OUT OF TOUCH
[info]eddieiscool wrote:
Wednesday, 11 February 2009 at 08:19 pm (UTC)
To be absolutely honest, when I was a child, I found Blue Peter outdated and boring (this was in the 1980s and I didn't have a computer or games consoles). I think crusty old television producers, particularly at the BBC, should accept that times have really changed. With new technologies available such as the Internet and mobile phones, what possible interest could making things out of cardboard and sticky-backed plastic have for children? I can't imagine for an instant that someone in their 70s really understands what children are interested in. Otherwise, she would have realised that, first of all, they come home from school at 3:30 in the afternoon and, secondly, they could probably have more fun finding out how to make things on the Internet, without annoying, talentless, patronising presenters telling them how to do it.
Blue Peter
[info]ludovicah wrote:
Thursday, 12 February 2009 at 12:19 am (UTC)
Blue Peter was never the same after the John Val and Pete years. trying to be too populist just put them on a collision course with a whole load of other programmes. Theyr'd have been better off sticking to what they were good at.
Rose Tinted Spectacles
[info]paul999 wrote:
Friday, 13 February 2009 at 05:53 pm (UTC)
Everything used to be better didn't it (c) Daily Mail. When I watched Blue Peter in the late 60's early 70's it was because it was the only option (or the god awful Magpie) not because it was best. Has anyone actually sat through the 'golden age of television', Monty Python, 10% funny, 90% rubbish, Love thy Neighbour, Benny Hill, On the Buses, Are you being served - plus all the other cr*p. We watched because it was the only option - now they have other options. If you put a TV and XBox in your kids room they are not going to watch Blue Beter or Newsround. I blame the parents (c) Daily Mail. TV today is generally trash, but the best programmes are still on the BBC, particularly BBC3. Every dog has its day and maybe Petra has had his/hers.

However I would watch the Ross and Thatcher show as suggested by sirrus.
Blue Peter
[info]lifes_algebra_1 wrote:
Monday, 16 February 2009 at 04:28 pm (UTC)
So reminicent of the demise of Top Of The Pops. Engineered. People in the corporation don't like a programme so they axe it by stealth. In Top Of The Pops it was doing very well till it was reformatted put into less popular time slot etc... Blue Peter after going great guns not so long ago, 4 programmes a week great team etc... What happens mismanagement! Reduced programmes put into a less popular time slot. Someone in the BBC has to go, not the programme! Axing by stealth is dispicable especially of a TV institution.

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