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James Lovelock: You Ask The Questions

The eminent scientist answers your questions, such as 'Is the Earth really a living organism?' and 'Why do you like nuclear power?'

I have heard that the Gaia theory means that the Earth is alive. What does that mean, exactly? Roger Middleton, Chester

The Earth system (Gaia) shares many attributes with a living cell; it metabolises, it responds to changes in its environment, it can die, and it reduces its internal entropy by taking in high quantum energy as sunlight and excreting infra-red radiation to space. It does not reproduce, but something that has lived about 3 billion years hardly needs to reproduce; selection theory asserts that organisms reproduce at a rate reciprocally related to their lifespan. Gaia's reproduction rate would therefore be expected to be less than one in three billion years.

Some scientists say that your suggestions for geoengineering sea algae will never work. Is it just pie in the sky? Guy Brewer, Nottingham

Those who claim that encouraging algal growth in the ocean will not reduce CO2 abundance in the air might be right, but they do not know for sure. Their arguments are based on calculations using theoretical models and not, as they should be in science, on observation and experiment. Evidence from the ice cores of Antarctica and from ocean sediments suggests that algal growth was more abundant in the ice ages. We also know from Antarctic ice core data that the low temperatures of the ice age were closely associated with low CO2. It reached as low as 180 parts per million, and this requires powerful biological pumps. What better than those of the abundant ocean algae?

Conventional farming methods produce higher yields at less expense. Is organic farming really good for the environment? Matthew Fell, York

All kinds of farming are less good for the environment than natural ecosystems, such as forests, scrub and deserts. Organic farming might be better than agribusiness per hectare, but if it produces less food, more land would be farmed and consequently there may be nothing to choose between organic and agribusiness farming so far as the environment is concerned.

Is it true that you think that Gaia has always worked in our favour but that with climate change Gaia will work against us? Helen Barrington, Winchester

Gaia works in her favour and tries to keep a habitable planet. Most certainly she does not work specifically in our favour. When we do environmental damage we may disable Gaia's ability to help. Indeed, Gaia may now be changing the Earth in a way unfavourable for us.

You have said that the UN's scientists are underestimating the speed of climate change in their official reports. Is that right? Chris Hastings, Dover

Yes, scientists who observe sea-level rise find it is happening about 1.6 times faster than the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change predicted. Other observers find the rate of melting of floating ice in the North polar ocean is happening faster than predicted. Just now we are long on theory and short on observations.

If we are past the point of no return, what should we do? Edward Farmer, Pickering

If we are beyond the point of no return, then our greatest efforts should go towards adapting and making sure that we survive as a species. Beyond this mythical tipping point it would be too late to try to stop global heating. If we have not yet reached the tipping point, I still think that we should concentrate on adapting and surviving. We are not good at working together to reduce land use and CO2 emissions, and there may be little time left in which to do it.

Why are you so much in favour of nuclear power as a solution? Doesn't it have lots of dangers? Hatty Hamilton, Exeter

I am in favour of nuclear energy for small, densely populated nations such as the UK, Germany, France, others in Europe, and Japan. Such nations need an abundant supply of electricity to continue civilised life, and there is no alternative to nuclear energy; we used to use coal, gas and oil but now know we cannot. Nuclear energy also happens to be the safest, the most economical and reliable of energy sources. It is foolish to reject it. Its safety record in the UK – and we are not the best – is a vast improvement over that of coal, gas or oil. Remember over 5,000 people died in one night in London in the 1950s from coal-smoke poisoning. Apart from water power and solar energy in desert nations, renewable energy is inefficient, expensive and unreliable, but with huge subsidies it makes a great deal of money for its developers. Most arguments against nuclear energy are propaganda and it is well worth asking who benefits from the flood of misinformation.

Why do you attack the green movement so much? Aren't you a green yourself? Howard James, Manchester

Yes, I am a green but, not surprisingly, an old-fashioned one. My difference with the modern greens is mainly over their failure to see that the countryside has intrinsic value for wildlife, for food supply and as park land for our ever more urban society. The countryside should not be regarded as an industrial site for wind or solar energy. I also dislike the rampant ignorance of science shown by modern greens, especially the idiotic way they class all chemicals as bad. We are all made from a mixture of chemicals and not from some mysterious spiritual brew.

Nuclear power is fantastically expensive – no nuclear power plant has ever survived without vast sums of public money subsidising it. Aren't your well-publicised positions just playing into the hands of the well-financed nuclear lobby? David Lowe, Whitehaven

Nuclear power is not more costly than coal power. It could be much less expensive than coal, but has been made expensive by the prolonged legal and political objections that confront all attempts to build a new nuclear power station. It is nonsense to suggest that there is a wealthy nuclear energy lobby. The nuclear fuel industry is tiny compared with the coal, oil and gas industries, and small compared with the renewable energy industry. The small size of the nuclear fuel industry is because one gram of uranium can deliver as much energy as a ton of coal or oil. If uranium were as costly as gold it would barely affect the price of electricity.

Why are you so hostile to renewable energy in general and wind power in particular? Norma Jones, Halifax

Mainly because they do not work under north European conditions and because they have become, through the abuse of subsidies by the greedy, a scam. I like the idea of solar thermal energy in nations with sunlit deserts, and wind energy in places where the wind blows constantly and few people live.

Where do you go to escape? Mary Plant, Plymouth

I would love to know where to go. Just now I am far too busy to escape. Our holidays are in the South West, mostly walking.

You are determined to leave the planet and "see the face of Gaia" on one of Richard Branson's strange-looking rockets. Isn't that environmentally damaging? David Christopher, Birmingham

Probably no more damaging than driving from Devon to London and back a few times or flying to Majorca every summer. If by seeing Gaia from Sir Richard's spacecraft I can give a better account of Gaia, it will have been worthwhile.

You once wrote that, as a result of global warming, "billions of us will die and the few breeding pairs of people that survive will be in the Arctic, where the climate remains tolerable". How should we choose the breeding pairs? Louise Smith, Hamilton

The Earth is already selecting the survivors. Those that move to a safer place when life gets tough are likely to survive. We are not clever enough to judge who should survive and should not try. But we may have to chose when faced by the awful question, who you allow aboard the lifeboat when there is room for only one more?

You're nearly 90. What ambitions do you have left? Henry Allen

To enjoy life to the full while I still can.

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Gaia
[info]mendrips wrote:
Monday, 9 March 2009 at 08:04 am (UTC)
Assuming there will be two lifeboats - should one not be sailing to one........ or more........ of the sub-Antarctic islands or perhaps Tierra del Fuego?
[info]arganzuela wrote:
Monday, 9 March 2009 at 09:27 am (UTC)
Do you regret the way Gaia theory has been presented? Wouldn't it be better to talk in terms of "homeostasis" for example, so the theory might come over as more scientific/serious and less open to misinterpretation and abuse by people with more "radical" views.
nuclear energy
[info]turbine30 wrote:
Monday, 9 March 2009 at 09:53 am (UTC)
James Lovelock is very keen on nuclear but what are his comments on the report from the MIT that there is only about 35 years supply left in the world?
Re: nuclear energy
[info]colinru wrote:
Monday, 9 March 2009 at 09:16 pm (UTC)
Depending on who you believe, there is enough U3O8 for 200 to 300 years with the present, planned and proposed Reactors.

Do not know where MIT got the 35 years from but suspect that this is Mines presently in Production. Cameco's Cigar Lake Mine (when producing in 2012?) will, on its own, add 12 to 15% to world supply.
survival as a species
[info]jaffgyp wrote:
Monday, 9 March 2009 at 10:01 am (UTC)
OK, so if we should ensure survival of the species, how do we avoid simply ensuring survival of all the very worst aspects of our dismal human species?; i once worked as a scientist in the cold war regional seats of government and saw exactly what sorts of 'humans' were prepared to rush down into the bunkers quite regardless of the safety of even their closest families - i decided it was better just to collect my family and go down to the most likely centre of annihilation, westminster...;
again, looking at the types of human ( you know, all those bonussed bankers and political wankers) who will survive the present financial armageddon, surely from gaia's point of view she would be far better off without the whole lot of us?
Re: survival as a species
[info]nelsie wrote:
Wednesday, 22 April 2009 at 09:38 am (UTC)
Dear Mr Lovelock;
Just read the above and I am most impressed, except that you seem to avoid mentioning the possibility that present global warming might just be variations in the sun's output. I have heard it said that ALL the planet's poles are warming presently..no 4X4's on mars then!
And what about Al Gore's support for the hockey stick graph, since rejected and the judge who ruled his book "An inconvenient truth" was propoganda and nor suitable for dissemination to school children?
Yes. we have to conserve our resources, and many of us have thought so since the '60's, but the present hype looks like just plain lies and an excuse for taxation.
Thank you for an excellent book. Yours sincerely Nick Ellis
so how do i ask a question?
[info]vhawk1951 wrote:
Monday, 9 March 2009 at 04:17 pm (UTC)
i've only got about 10 million questionswhich I need answering how do they know that the earth is full of molten iron; if it is, why don't volcanoes spew out molten iron? and is the molten iron getting hotter or colder and if either why? and if hotter does that not make the whole earth hotter?probably just childish questions
Re: so how do i ask a question?
[info]colinru wrote:
Monday, 9 March 2009 at 09:53 pm (UTC)
Nickel-Iron Core can be inferred from Earth magnetic field plus average density of Planet.

Volcano roots are in Mantle so Core not affected.

Core probably getting colder but very slowly. Original heating because of Gravity Compression plus Planetoid impact that created the Moon, temperature reduction over time moderated by radioactive decay of Uranium, Thorium etc, in Planet from its formation from Solar Dust Cloud.

Suspect that heat seepage rate to surface is less than leakage rate to space, so Earth Atmosphere not really hotter because of Core heat.

All this from memory of degree in Physics 30 years ago so it may be that I have forgotten other factors. Hope this helps you.
Re: so how do i ask a question?
[info]vhawk1951 wrote:
Monday, 9 March 2009 at 10:12 pm (UTC)
ah thanks that all makes sense, i vaguely recollect experiments at school heating up iron filings with sulphur to make an exothermic(?) reaction- thought fair bit of sulphur about- mix it with iron-get exothermic reaction- middle gets hotter- but sea still jolly cold last time I went in for dip

good this journal thing-lots of peeps to teach me stuff I do not know-= tons- lawyer sadly, not economist or physicist so a lot tolearn
what would happen if...?
[info]vhawk1951 wrote:
Monday, 9 March 2009 at 06:53 pm (UTC)
what would happen if a nuclear power station was subsumed into the sea by rising sea levels?
Re: what would happen if...?
[info]colinru wrote:
Monday, 9 March 2009 at 09:18 pm (UTC)
The ESD (Emergency Shutdow System) would shut it down long before the sea rose enough to cause a problem. Once the moderator rods are in place it is safe even if submerged.
Re: what would happen if...?
[info]vhawk1951 wrote:
Monday, 9 March 2009 at 09:27 pm (UTC)
that is assuming the emergency shut-down system works I suppose and I guess it is safe as long as you are not a fish or want to swim in the sea, but water can't get radio active can it?so it must be safe. it will all be just roses roses, whatever happens and forever no doubt.
Re: what would happen if...?
[info]colinru wrote:
Monday, 9 March 2009 at 09:43 pm (UTC)
The ESD is designed to give a very low failure rate (too low in my opinion - one reason the Plants are so expensive) but there is a very small probability that it can fail, nonetheless. In Oil/Gas I used to design for an average of one death approximately every million man-hours of exposure but Nuclear use much longer times.

I have designed ESDs for Oil, Gas & Petrochemical Plants but not Nuclear so I am not certain but suspect that, in event of a total power failure, the moderator rods would fail-safe to the default position of moderating the chain reaction in the Reactor Core. The fish should be safe (at least until the concrete containment dome rots). Water can be split or modified by radiation (the Hydrogen & the Oxygen components), if memory serves, but not radioactive (dangerous)in the way that I think that you mean.
Re: what would happen if...?
[info]vhawk1951 wrote:
Monday, 9 March 2009 at 10:01 pm (UTC)
you are obviously an expert and I am pig ignorant so I must accept what you say, absent a rival expert. I confess that nuclear power makes me decidedly twitchy but there does not seem to be any real alternative if we want electricity and I do. I'm told, probably wrongly that once one has a site for a nuclear power station that it becomes radio active and stays that way for some time- quite a long time maybe but I'm sure you will tell me that children will be playing on it in a month or two, in which case, no worries then
Re: what would happen if...?
[info]colinru wrote:
Monday, 9 March 2009 at 10:34 pm (UTC)
I am not an expert (a word that I dislike as it implies someone knows everything about a subject) but I was (until 15 years ago) a specialist in control/alarm/ESD systems in Oil/Gas/Petrochemical reactions.

I misunderstood what you were asking before - you are talking about "secondary" radioactive risk from things like irradiated steel piping etc. in the Reactor? If sea level does rise and a Reactor has to be abandoned then (since we would, in all probability, have years of notice of the likliehood) the Reactor would be shut down in a controlled (not emergency) mode and the Core would be stripped out. Modern Reactor designs allow for the fuel elements to be replaced/removed on a regular basis. The elements can then be treated & re-used elsewhere or (if the Politicos sorted themselves out) be stored in an Underground Waste Depository.

The Reactor steel etc would, I presume, be left for a few years for its radioactivity to decrease with time and then disposed of. Depending on residual half-lives, this would mean some small % to the Depository, a larger % stored for a few years/decades (in a cooling water pool?) & the bulk re-smelted and re-used in other constructions. Sorry but I cannot give exact figures as it is not my area. Perhaps some other reader has more knowledge?

In any case, my understanding is that no Reactor Site in Britain would have this problem if sea level rose in the range that has been mooted because of Climate Change.

I saw a programme re the abandoned City near Chernobyl (about as bad as any Nuclear Accident could get) which showed that wildlife was re-inhabiting the area after less than a quarter-century. It started with Insects (as you would expect as they seem to be more radiation-resilient) but now Moose, Foxes, Rabbits etc. So I do not think children could play on an old Reactor site after a few years but, probably, after a few decades.

Trust this is of interest.
Biochar
[info]redroseandy wrote:
Tuesday, 10 March 2009 at 05:06 am (UTC)
How about offsetting all man-made CO2 emissions with biochar. All countries could also adopt one of the near-zero CO2 plans as well.
organic farming
[info]nonimac wrote:
Tuesday, 10 March 2009 at 11:17 am (UTC)
Dear Mr Lovelace. Your comment about Agribusiness and Organic farming being equally bad for the earth is not really valid. Organic farming keeps carbon in the soil, keeps the soil on the land, and the food produced is by all accounts healthier. On the other hand, agribusiness soil is badly depleted (apparently commercial fertilizer breaks down the soil so much that much of it blows away), and it needs more and more fertilizer and pesticide to keep producing. The food produced is lower in vitiamins and minerals. On top of all that, Agbusiness takes advantage of government subsidies originally put in place to support small farmers. Noni McDevitt
In favour of nuclear power
[info]hon_s_twoof wrote:
Wednesday, 11 March 2009 at 12:09 am (UTC)
James said:
"Most arguments against nuclear energy are propaganda and it is well worth asking who benefits from the flood of misinformation."
Who does benefit then?
and does not the nuclear industry have its own PR corporations working to provide a biased story?
CO2 in the atmosphere
[info]guzziver wrote:
Friday, 13 March 2009 at 09:17 pm (UTC)
I find it staggering that CO2 can still be regarded as the crucial driver of global anything, in view of unequivocal evidence to the contrary.

Mike Atkinson, Dunstable
[info]stuart_gray wrote:
Sunday, 22 March 2009 at 09:49 am (UTC)
I have always been a staunch follower of Lovelock and agree 100% with his view that chronic overpopulation is the root cause of our current and future problems. It is not the processes of industrialisation that are evil, but humanism (not necessarily humanity I might add) and the philosophy of it that are to blame. In light of this I have always been somewhat confused at his seeming apprehension to mention the implementation of a global one child policy. This above all else, and the fact that evolution in the future will favour a more symbiotic human, would be the best aid to Gaia
contact address for Mr. Lovelock
[info]sheilabreeds wrote:
Thursday, 16 April 2009 at 03:36 pm (UTC)
Dear Mr. Lovelock,


Dear Sir,
My question is not about your articles, sorry!

I am typing the English translation of a French manuscript for a book written by Mr. F. Rombaut who lives in Belgium.

He has asked me to try to find your contact address as he would like to write to you with regard to the book he is writing which concerns his vision of the future of the Earth and Mankind.

Please can you help? Thank you.
Sheila Breeds
email: bats2@pandora.be
we are using NH3 fuel with success in canada
[info]rogergordon wrote:
Thursday, 28 May 2009 at 09:24 am (UTC)
we are using GreenNH3 fuel with success in canada and would like Mr lovelock to know about it. We have one farm nearly self sufficient on it and it turns around the economic and carbon statement completely. We are using wind and hydro electric but there is no reason first or second stage nuclear could not be used. As well there is offpeak nuclear going to waste as well as intermittent wind which has no value unless stored as GreenNH3.

can someone get Mr Lovelock to contact me. ? pure@look.ca
GAIA Reproduction
[info]ans2469 wrote:
Saturday, 13 June 2009 at 02:45 pm (UTC)
I have read the problem with the Gaia Theory is that Earth does not reproduce.
I like science but am self taught - so excuse me if this question is silly.
Could the moon be considered a product of binary fission?

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