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2010: A new space odyssey beckons

The world is on the verge of new manned exploration of the solar system – and, this time, environmentalists are backing it

By David Randall, Victoria Richards and Andrew Johnson


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This weekend, 40 years after man first landed on the Moon, more human beings than ever before are orbiting on a single spacecraft. In 1969, three men squeezed into Apollo 11's command module, a craft little bigger than a Mini.

Yesterday, the International Space Station, now as large as a four-storey house, yet speeding at 17,239mph, took on board the crew of the shuttle Endeavour: 12 men, one woman – seven Americans, two Russians, two Canadians, one Japanese and a Belgian. During a two-man space-walk, the crew added a four-ton porch – an outdoor shelf for experiments – to the station.

It is yet another small step in space exploration. But next month, a far bigger one could be taken. A panel of specialists will advise President Barack Obama on whether the US should embark on an ambitious 21st-century space programme that could see Americans return to the Moon, and eventually venture further to near-Earth asteroids and Mars. It is an issue that rouses not just space enthusiasts but those who think the world should have other, greener priorities.

The President's decision could instigate a space race, this time with China, that might be fiercer than anything seen in the Sixties rivalry with Russia. The Chinese are not participating in the International Space Station, but Beijing is prepared to go it alone, declaring that it intends landing on the Moon by 2020. In September, with its manned spacecraft Shenzhou 7, China became the third power to walk in space. Russia has also committed to a major upgrade of its space capability, the first of the post-Soviet era. Russian engineers have spent 105 days isolated in a mock spacecraft to test the stresses travellers may face on the 172-million-mile journey to Mars.

Buzz Aldrin, the Apollo 11 veteran, and the second man to set foot on the Moon, told Fox News yesterday that America could aid its international partners in exploring the Moon and so free up its own spaceflight resources to develop systems for "even more ambitious goals". Once there is an international base on the Moon and in-space refuelling technology, he said, the US should concentrate on sending astronauts into deep space to visit the asteroid Apophis when it passes near Earth in 2021. After that, there is the possibility of a temporarily manned base on the Mars moon Phobos. "By that time, we'd be ready to put people in a gradual permanence on Mars by 2031," Mr Aldrin added.

Next year, China's first Mars probe will go into orbit around the planet after a 10-month, 236 million mile journey. There are also the lunar ambitions of India and Japan, plus the rivalry among companies for primitive commercial space flights.

Sir Richard Branson's Virgin Galactic and XCOR Aerospace are vying with each other to make the first suborbital flights. Sir Richard has said that Virgin Galactic spaceships will be completed by December 2009 and are "on track to be carbon neutral", with paying passengers by 2011.

Yet tomorrow, on the anniversary of Neil Armstrong's small but historic step, the question will be asked: are large-scale ventures into space justified when there are problems – possibly terminal ones – with Planet Earth? Is an enthusiasm for manned exploration compatible with tackling the environment, poverty, and diseases such as cancer and Aids? Or is it only when we reach out beyond our own world that we can maybe make the blue planet a truly green one? After all, in 2016, the US energy firm Solaren plans to send a kilometre-wide panel into orbit to beam back energy.

James Lovelock, inventor of the Gaia theory, said: "I strongly support space travel. The whole notion of Gaia came out of space travel. It seems to me any environmentalist who opposes space travel has no imagination whatever. That gorgeous, inspirational image of the globe that we are now so familiar with came out of space travel. That image has perhaps been of the greatest value to the environmental movement. It gave me a great impetus.

"There are the unmanned spacecraft, which are relatively inexpensive, that I certainly think should continue. The more we know about Mars, for example, the better we can understand our own planet. The second sort, the more personally adventurous sort of travel, offers great inspiration to humans. And, were it not for space travel we'd have no mobile phones, no internet, no weather forecasts of the sort we have now and so on. There's a lot of puritanical silliness about it."

Dr Steve Howard, the chief executive of the Climate Group, said: "I don't think space travel is an 'either/or'. Sometimes we feel that we will have to stop other things if we go to the Moon or Mars, but man has always been an explorer. At a time of global recession we have to budget and plan carefully and it needs to be a collaborative venture."

Colin Pillinger, professor of planetary sciences at the Open University, said: "Every space mission has spin-offs which are unforeseeable. The Wellcome Trust funded Beagle 2 on the understanding that the team of highly talented people would look at ways the technology could be used for medicine. We have developed an instrument that can diagnose TB in a day. Our instrument, which is going to be tested in Malawi, could save hundreds of thousands, if not millions of lives."

But John Sauven, the executive director of Greenpeace UK, is sceptical. He said: "Our argument is that Earth hasn't been properly explored and understood yet. I'm not against space exploration, but it mustn't be a trophy- collecting exercise for countries."

A waste of money or a good investment?

The Obama administration puts the cost of Project Constellation – the plan to put people back on the Moon – at $187bn (£114bn).

That sum could, instead:

*Wipe out North Africa's foreign debt of £70bn – and still have £44bn left over.

*Cover the costs of swine flu absenteeism for 10 weeks. Experts put the toll of this at £1.5bn a day.

*Pay for the Olympic 2012 construction costs of £9bn 12 times over.

But Professor Stephen Hawking says: "We need to renew our commitment to human spaceflight. Robotic missions are cheaper, but if one is considering the future of humanity, we have to visit other worlds ourselves."

Space Dates

2009 Sir Richard Branson has said that his Virgin Galactic spaceships will be completed and ready for testing by December and are "on track to be carbon neutral"

2010 The Yinghuo-1, China's first Mars probe, will be launched by a Russian rocket and will later go into orbit around the planet to study climate change

2011 The £100bn International Space Station is due for completion. It is currently being assembled in low Earth orbit

2020 America hopes to land on the Moon again – 50 years after Apollo 11. But it is in competition with China, which has vowed to do the same

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Travel
[info]yambas wrote:
Saturday, 18 July 2009 at 11:14 pm (UTC)
The most important question is here on earth and that is why my early morning bus is always late.
[info]edwren wrote:
Saturday, 18 July 2009 at 11:34 pm (UTC)
Thank the Lord you got the messianic Hawkings quote in. If you had not I wouldn't of taken this article seriously...
What a load of drivel.
[info]someofusknow wrote:
Sunday, 19 July 2009 at 12:24 am (UTC)
What a load of drivel.

Lunar landings corresponded to a peak moment, long gone.

More than mere travel. . .
[info]derwahrheit wrote:
Sunday, 19 July 2009 at 02:38 am (UTC)
More than mere travel, I believe it is mankind's destiny to live in free space. Why remain dependent on the limited and vulnerable prospects of orbiting bits of rock, when we can finally loose the bonds of gravity (against which we dedicate the majority of our effort) and inhabit limitless space! Of course, we would evolve into creatures much different than we are now (sort of like Dune's Navigators), which I believe is unfortunately the most fearful prospect for most contemporary folks. But I firmly believe this is our future! And one day humans will look back with disdain on our reluctance.

der Wahrheit
Re: More than mere travel. . .
[info]someofusknow wrote:
Sunday, 19 July 2009 at 03:39 am (UTC)
Maybe you have watched too many episodes of Star Trek.

Space is an extraordinarily hostile place for humans - high energy cosmic rays passing through the hull of the spaceship on a continuous basis, a collision with anything bigger than a pea likely to rip a hole in the hull that would lead to fairly instant death, impossible logistics of food supply and air supply ......

The Moon is as far as humans ever got, and with everything now turning to custard down here with respect to energy, finances and the environment, mankind's destiny is increasingly looking like somethng totally different ..... mass starvation on an overheated, increasingly barren planet.
Re: More than mere travel. . . - [info]tph197 - Sunday, 19 July 2009 at 07:39 am (UTC) Expand
Re: More than mere travel. . . - [info]sharpoon - Sunday, 19 July 2009 at 09:51 am (UTC) Expand
Re: More than mere travel. . . - [info]someofusknow - Sunday, 19 July 2009 at 12:22 pm (UTC) Expand
Aye, there's the rub ... - [info]ottorino - Sunday, 19 July 2009 at 09:41 am (UTC) Expand
Re: Aye, there's the rub ... - [info]gorillaboy333 - Sunday, 19 July 2009 at 02:12 pm (UTC) Expand
Re: Aye, there's the rub ... - [info]phocusplease - Sunday, 19 July 2009 at 02:31 pm (UTC) Expand
Re: More than mere travel. . . - [info]dennis_mundo - Sunday, 19 July 2009 at 10:53 pm (UTC) Expand
[info]mikro39 wrote:
Sunday, 19 July 2009 at 04:09 am (UTC)
Well, we must also look though at the fact that exploration yields benefits through the dangers. I mean, how would we have the theory of evolution without exploration of the once vast and dangerous oceans? How would we have Nuclear power or chemotherapy without the brave souls willing to dig for Uranium. How would we know about Cosmic rays, our sun or ways to protect ourselves and electronics from cosmic waves without the brave souls who dreamed of making that one small step on the Moon?

Humanity only moves forward with exploration. History shows that our greatest advancements come only at times of great exploration. Space is the next frontier. We may learn more about earth by going and visiting other planets than we could ever hope to learn by sweeping sonar across our oceans or mapping genetics. Maybe Mars holds the cure to cancer. Perhaps and asteroid holds the keys to new alloys and metal manufacturing, or how life came to Earth. Maybe studying the sun from a station may yield the answer for efficient nuclear fusion, solving the worlds energy demands.

So I say lets go to space. Maybe the abundance of minerals will help solve poverty. Answers lie in space, from current questions to questions yet to form.

History proves it. If history repeats itself, then maybe we may advance and prosper greatly once again.
Growth Is Inevitable
[info]pauljupiter wrote:
Sunday, 19 July 2009 at 04:28 am (UTC)
Folks, we can stay on this planet and consume all of it's resources or we can expand by exploring the solar system and finding new sources of energy for example (HE3 in the moon or in the gas giants). The population continues to grow and our consumption or raw materials which we use to produce energy, and a whole host of other things continues to grow. What do you suggest we do?
Re: Growth Is Inevitable - [info]squiggy9000 - Sunday, 19 July 2009 at 01:01 pm (UTC) Expand
When is a theory not a theory
[info]johncmullen1960 wrote:
Sunday, 19 July 2009 at 04:40 am (UTC)
A theory is a set of ideas which will explain a lot of observed data. The Gaia thingy is a mystical vision of the world. That's not the same thing.
Re: When is a theory not a theory
[info]thelzdking wrote:
Monday, 20 July 2009 at 05:51 pm (UTC)
The Gaia theory proposes that the component parts of the earth's biosphere (that is from entire seas to individual organisms) function in a manner analogous to organs and systems in a living creature, and that therefore the earth itself functions like a living creature. The theory does not state that the earth is a living organism; this is a common misconception.
Re: When is a theory not a theory - [info]johncmullen1960 - Tuesday, 21 July 2009 at 05:42 am (UTC) Expand
What nonsense
[info]tureolsen wrote:
Sunday, 19 July 2009 at 06:04 am (UTC)
There are absolutely no scientific reasons for humans to go to Mars or the Moon. Expect in order to please the Star Trek brigade.

We have just heard NASA declare that they plan to let the ISS fall into the ocean the moment it is finished. With other words, the critics who has argued that the ISS was a piece of junk without scientific merit have been proven right by NASA itself. The shuttle program has also turned out to be an extremely costly failure which is now coming to its end without a similar replacement.

So human space exploration is a form of extremely costly and dangerous tourism. Science on the other hand is done by unmanned vehicles such as the Hubble telescope or unmanned Mars landers.

The moon program was sold to the American public as a race against the Sovietunion. Now a desperate attempt is made in selling a Mars program as a race against China or Russia. If the Chinese are so stupid that they want to invest a trillion dollar in going to Mars then let them. Or give them the ISS that the West has built for a hundred billion dollars and now according to NASA we have no use for.

As for the Gaia nonsense ...... who cares ?
The Moon
[info]catherderx9 wrote:
Sunday, 19 July 2009 at 07:08 am (UTC)
The Apollo Project, in fact, did not "cost" the taxpayers... spin-off technology netted the US Government (alone, by 1973) over 700percent PROFIT. That is, for every dollar spent on Mercury, Gemini, Apollo between 1961 & 1973, new tech bought in 7Dollars!! The idea that we must "choose" Earth or Space is a totally false one. As a Race, we have NO FUTURE if we do NOT explore Space!
Living in the moon, (only an idiot would use the surface), we'd have virtually unlimited living space (cubic space). Farming galleries 300yds wide by a mile long, stacked one above the other, going deep down into the Lunar rock for 50 or 300 miles (MILES!!)... a "high rise" of farms, only downward. How many Earth-based farms could be replaced by 5,000 "columns" 300 miles deep? How many by 100,000 "columns"? Send the food back to Earth using an electro-magnetic linear catapult.
How much Human Land usage is tied up in food production? 80%? 90%? More? If we grew our food in the moon, Humans wouldn't HAVE a significant impact on wildlife habitat!! How "green" is that?!! Energy is virtually free on the moon, manufacturing there could replace Earth-side factories. There's another "green" advantage. If needed, which I (as many do) seriously doubt.
In fact, NOT going is the only intensely STUPID CHOICE!!
Re: The Moon
[info]tureolsen wrote:
Sunday, 19 July 2009 at 08:30 am (UTC)
There is a whole continent here on earth which is not used for farming. It is called Antarctica. Why do you not build "farming galleries 300yds wide by a mile long, stacked one above the other, going deep down into the Antarctica rock for 50 or 300 miles (MILES!!)... a "high rise" of farms, only downward." You could send the food back by boat instead of by "an electro-magnetic linear catapult". That should save a bit on the cost.

And a friendly advice ..... if I were you I would be careful when using the word "STUPID".
We have trashed our own planet ...
[info]bevfor wrote:
Sunday, 19 July 2009 at 07:41 am (UTC)
So we are off to ravage others - fortunately climate change has already made Mars a dead desert and it is science fiction to think we would ever go much further - space is simply too vast.
Cure your people of Swine flu first before going into Space where there is nothing.
[info]djangovsartana wrote:
Sunday, 19 July 2009 at 07:57 am (UTC)


Cure your people of Swine flu first before going into Space where there is nothing.
As an American
[info]christiansoto wrote:
Sunday, 19 July 2009 at 08:10 am (UTC)
We have gained many technological and intellectual advances thanks to our space program. Saying it is too expensive is irrelevant as one cannot put a price on what we have gained from it. Saying that the money is better spent paying off North Africa's debt is silly, seeing as that would not solve the problem of why North Africa has such debt, I highly doubt the American space program is at fault. Certainly, the money from the Apollo program could have gone to American education, but what kind of education would it be? I would not even be able to write this comment here because the devices I am utilizing would not exist.

P.S. We would all still think it was possible to see star in space as well. How silly!

Re: As an American
[info]tureolsen wrote:
Sunday, 19 July 2009 at 08:35 am (UTC)
NASA has spent about 800 billion in real term during its existence. By way of comparison, the total spending over this period by the National Science Foundation was roughly one-fourth of NASA's expenditures (Wikipedia).

The science produced by the manned space program that could not be produced by unmanned probes at the fraction of the cost is close to zero. While science under Bush was starved to death, money was given to a useless and extremely costly program of sending humans to the moon and then on to Mars. There are absolutely no scientific reasons for humans to go to Mars or the Moon. Except in order to please the Star Trek brigade.

And I am curious ..... what sort of device from the space program are you using to write your comment ? Pot nudels ?
Re: As an American - [info]christiansoto - Sunday, 19 July 2009 at 10:17 am (UTC) Expand
Re: As an American - [info]tureolsen - Sunday, 19 July 2009 at 10:56 am (UTC) Expand
Re: As an American - [info]squiggy9000 - Sunday, 19 July 2009 at 01:04 pm (UTC) Expand
Re: As an American - [info]tureolsen - Sunday, 19 July 2009 at 01:46 pm (UTC) Expand
Re: As an American - [info]christiansoto - Sunday, 19 July 2009 at 05:06 pm (UTC) Expand
space exploration is just escapism
[info]mind_ful wrote:
Sunday, 19 July 2009 at 08:18 am (UTC)
This is such a waste of money and energy. We need to deal with our problems on earth before escaping of elsewhere. It's no coincidence that this comes just as the shit hits the fan on our planet.
The future
[info]vegasrichard wrote:
Sunday, 19 July 2009 at 08:37 am (UTC)
you people in the UK don't want to go to space, fine. spend your tax money the way you want to and we Americans can spend ours on what we want. space is the future of mankind if you do not want in on the future that's ok with me. china would probably be a better partner than you guys anyway, they still believe in the future.
Re: The future
[info]tureolsen wrote:
Sunday, 19 July 2009 at 08:58 am (UTC)
What tax money ? Your federal budget is already a trillion dollar in the red ! You probably will have to team up with China since they are already now financing your government spending.

You should worry less about getting to Mars and more about your science budget and about your manufacturing industry being outsourced to Asia. If not, there will for sure not be a great future for the US. Not on earth and not on Mars.
Re: The future - [info]someofusknow - Sunday, 19 July 2009 at 12:35 pm (UTC) Expand
Space Re-fueling Technology.
[info]chipmem1 wrote:
Sunday, 19 July 2009 at 09:26 am (UTC)

I wonder what the signs will say. 1litre...... $1,000000000000000 n-i
next station 224,ooo miles
have a nice day.

A bit of escapism for a Sunday morning as opposed to a permanant get out clause.

Eugenics, take a leap for mankind.
Gil Scott
[info]shegelu wrote:
Sunday, 19 July 2009 at 09:38 am (UTC)
Gil Scott Heron said it all back in 1970, except now Obama's put a black face on it. Still the same jiveass bull***!

http://www.gilscottheron.com/lywhitey.html
Re: Gil Scott
[info]bob_labla_blah wrote:
Sunday, 19 July 2009 at 11:20 pm (UTC)
Bunch of racist bullsh*t. Maybe if this guy got a job instead of looking for a hand out, he might actually start to respect himself. The cowardly way out is to blame others and their achievements for their own perceptions of inferiority. BUT...some can only live with themselves in this way. Absolutely pathetic.!!!
Re: Gil Scott - [info]shegelu - Monday, 20 July 2009 at 12:26 am (UTC) Expand
Re: Gil Scott - [info]kuma2000 - Monday, 20 July 2009 at 04:37 pm (UTC) Expand
[info]mmurray57 wrote:
Sunday, 19 July 2009 at 09:52 am (UTC)
If there is life on Mars that has clearly evolved independently of life on Earth then the odds of us not being alone in the Universe go up dramatically. That is a good enough reason to go and look.
life on mars
[info]squiggy9000 wrote:
Sunday, 19 July 2009 at 01:08 pm (UTC)
Well there's not anything there, except maybe a microbe or two on our rovers (though that's doubtful). Does that mean we shouldn't go there?
Re: life on mars - [info]crazycaper - Sunday, 19 July 2009 at 07:26 pm (UTC) Expand
and for what?
[info]vhawk1951 wrote:
Sunday, 19 July 2009 at 10:19 am (UTC)
more human idiots poking their noses where they have no business.... out of idle curiosity, I suppose, and with no idea of what forces and equilibria they may upset
Re: and for what?
[info]acidpen wrote:
Sunday, 19 July 2009 at 05:08 pm (UTC)
better for us if a few billion fuck off and poke their noses in up there well out of the way!
Re: and for what? - [info]toberichus - Sunday, 19 July 2009 at 07:27 pm (UTC) Expand
What for?
[info]rex123 wrote:
Sunday, 19 July 2009 at 10:23 am (UTC)
With the technology which is able only to provide transfer in physical space (from one point to another in common understanding of distance) - Mars is the finishing point of all efforts...To "fly" further then Mars would be possible not by transfert in a physical understanding of it, but by instant transposition or piercing of the univerce through parallel "worlds" which demands not spacecraft but some kind of "black hole" which they are now trying to create in Switzerland with their Large Hadron Collider - the result may be that we all will just disintegrate into molecules in a matter of instant since the outcome of such experiments is impossible to predict...Can anybody explain why all that is needed? Why is it so important to get somewhere very far and to see there a desert or an ocean of fire or some kind of other nuklear thunderstorm?...What is the aim?
Space Exploration
[info]redstateguy wrote:
Sunday, 19 July 2009 at 11:25 am (UTC)
Regretfully, the failure to keep exploring outer space would be another symptom of an imploding society.
A rational use for manned space travel
[info]jose_noway wrote:
Sunday, 19 July 2009 at 11:29 am (UTC)
Take the entire US Congress, strap each member to large rocket and then blast them all into deep, deep space....making certain that it's impossible for them to return. This single step will represent "one giant leap" for mankind whilst simultaneously markedly raising the average IQ of those of us remaining behind on Earth.

I'm so certain that this is a truly great idea that I do not even care if CCRs (Congress-Carrying Rockets) are not "carbon-neutral."



World is heading towards armageddon
[info]corporeal_v001 wrote:
Sunday, 19 July 2009 at 11:37 am (UTC)

World is heading towards armageddon and we want to waste time and resources on space travel?

Plenty of things to keep us occupied at ground level
- Limited and dwindling fresh water supplies will lead to wars as water is channeled upstream
- Sea levels rising already, affecting coastal regions, causing mass migrations
- Atmosphere being polluted by industry and transport
- Herbivores being fed animal products, causing new diseases
- Humans loosing their humanity
- Fossil fuel resource wars and invasions
- Disputes over ownership of North Pole routes and resources
- Zionists clandestine control over the Western world
- USA's gradual decline
- China's gradual takeover as superpower
- Food shortages as we cut down forests and start growning selective crops for ethanol - max profits
- Release of vast amounts of methane being released from the oceans due to warning, compounding global warming
- The north and south magnetic poles swap over every 100 million years, behaving erratically and we are now at the cusp of flipping over
- Global dimming caused by air transport due to vapour trails
- Weather patterns changing due to warming, flooding in some places, droughts in others
- Deserts expanding, glaciers melting, causing mass migrations
- Equatorial region getting hotter, eventually too hot for humans, will turn to desert
- Degradation in human behaviour, loss of family values
- Sun behaving in an unpredictable manner
- Over-fishing of the seas using industrial methods like 100 mile long lines
- Extinction of many species due to human interference
- Industrial heavy metals in the seas around many coastlines, affecting fish, affecting humans
- Artificially promotion of large, tasteless fruit, loss of the smaller indigenous organic fruit
- Melting and disappearing glaciers, affecting millions of people downstream
- Energy wars and we become reliant on specific providers and energy transits
- Over population compounding all of the above
- CCTV, mobile phone tracking, chipped cards, internet activities logged (inc this post)
and the list goes on and on....

So plenty of things to sort out and worry about here and now.
Re: World is heading towards armageddon
[info]squiggy9000 wrote:
Sunday, 19 July 2009 at 01:10 pm (UTC)
Your world is a terrifying place. How do you manage to survive?
Re: World is heading towards armageddon - [info]corporeal_v001 - Sunday, 19 July 2009 at 01:14 pm (UTC) Expand
Our solar system won't be around for ever.
[info]2001_aso wrote:
Sunday, 19 July 2009 at 12:08 pm (UTC)
What nobody has considered is that we know our solar system is spinning into the Sun and the Sun itself has a finite life. We also know that life on Earth was nearly extinguished by either an asteroid collision or severe climate change. Thus for the human race to survive, long term, we must colonise other planets. In saying this, it should be by world co-operation not a space race. We must also accept that the worst of human traits should not go with us. Greed, corruption, genocide, and war mongering must be left here. We also need to look at existing technological advances to see whether this is the right time to start. Just this week we have seen a monkey using thought processes to move a robotic arm holding food. We already know about Asimo and Sony robots. Is all of this sufficiently advanced enough now to go into space?
Re: Our solar system won't be around for ever.
[info]corporeal_v001 wrote:
Sunday, 19 July 2009 at 12:25 pm (UTC)

No. Very very very long way off. There was lots of hope for AI in the 1990's then we got real.
Re: Our solar system won't be around for ever. - [info]chiennoir - Sunday, 19 July 2009 at 09:21 pm (UTC) Expand
Manufacturing Reality or Sci-Fi Delusion?
[info]madeinnations wrote:
Sunday, 19 July 2009 at 12:08 pm (UTC)
The $100bn cost of the Space Station will be dwarfed by the futile and impossible journey to Mars. All those scientists could have been engineers, working on advanced technologies and new consumer goods to give Western manufacturing industry a future, and with it, large sectors of the population jobs and a purpose. It's not just globalists who've wrecked everything- scientists pursuing delusions of space travel are also to blame. There are more arguments on this in the current blog at www.madeinnations.com.
(no subject) - [info]elmagq - Sunday, 19 July 2009 at 12:48 pm (UTC) Expand
The Star Trek brigade
[info]bluesqueak wrote:
Sunday, 19 July 2009 at 01:10 pm (UTC)
I love all the sniffy comments about 'the Star Trek brigade'. As far as I can see, the 'Star Trek brigade' have an optimistic vision of the future. The people complaining about them have a pessimistic view of the present.

If I had to make my bets on which bunch are more likely to get us to a reasonable life - I'll go for the people with vision.

[and, no, I haven't watched the latest Star Trek movie. Or the last one. Or the one before that...]
Re: The Star Trek brigade
[info]tureolsen wrote:
Sunday, 19 July 2009 at 02:03 pm (UTC)
Sending people to the Moon or Mars is not having a vision and will not give anybody a reasonable life. Among scientists it has been known from the Sputnik days that sending humans into space is extremely costly and dangerous without providing an additional scientific output compared to unmanned flights.

Science and technology is what has improved peoples life during the last century and science and technology is what will improve peoples life in the next century. Not sending a tourist to Mars. And it is not like the US has a trillion dollar budget surplus to spent on useless projects just because too many people have seen Star Trek movies.
Re: The Star Trek brigade - [info]bluesqueak - Sunday, 19 July 2009 at 02:49 pm (UTC) Expand
Re: The Star Trek brigade - [info]thelzdking - Wednesday, 22 July 2009 at 05:23 pm (UTC) Expand
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