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Britain warned of new wave of Islamic terrorism

By Chris Greenwood, Press Association

The police and MI5 must brace themselves to counter a new generation of violent Islamic terrorists, an expert warned today.

Home-grown jihadists intent on murdering others in high-profile outrages "will not wither away", Professor Michael Clarke said.

The director of Royal United Services Institute (Rusi) warned a series of successful police operations have turned prisons into "universities of terror".

He said security services may look back at the last eight years as a "golden age of counter terrorism" marked by success and good luck.

Mr Clarke said: "The phenomenon will not wither away in the near future: it is likely to be generational.

"All the available evidence is that radicalisation of alienated Muslim youth in the UK can taken place very rapidly as long as it is based somewhere on personal contact."

Mr Clarke said the evolution of recruitment and terrorist techniques of British cells is "entirely possible" as they learn from their mistakes.

He added: "Most of the plotters have left behind a trail of forensics behind that has led some police professionals to predict that this will seem like a golden age of counter terrorism, when we were both successful and lucky."

A research paper, Terrorism in the United Kingdom: Confirming its modus operandi, highlighted the web of links between a series of plots uncovered since 2001.

Researchers found semi-trained British terrorists are having less contact with core al Qaida figures in Pakistan and Afghanistan.

They said Nato operations in the lawless border territory between the two countries are successfully suppressing terrorist groups.

Continued fighting has disrupted several long-established training camps and prevented leaders, including Osama bin Laden, communicating effectively.

But the paper said al Qaida remains an "inspiration" for British cells who recruit potential terrorists and groom them for violence.

Mr Clarke said criminal trials highlighted the shortcomings of terrorist cells who failed to make viable devices and left themselves open to bugging and infiltration.

He said: "The tradecraft of UK jihadi terrorists is extremely variable. For the movement as a whole this is not a problem.

"Amateurs are as dangerous as professionals if they are lucky, and if there are enough amateurs plotting, some of them will be lucky.

"Those who are not keep the security services stretched and public anxieties high."

Mr Clarke said police and MI5 chiefs should be "proud" of their successes since the July 2005 bombings.

But he added: "It is becoming clear that the UK's security services have done a good job so far in containing a new, home grown threat to public safety and to the UK's chosen way of life.

"Since 2001 we have seen only the first round of the struggle. Prisons around the world are universities of terror and there is no reason to believe that the UK's will not be the same.

"The 90-odd convictions, of which the security services can be proud, will have their own longer-term consequences for which the government must be prepared."

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[info]susiet99 wrote:
Saturday, 13 June 2009 at 07:56 am (UTC)
It's worrying that the current disarray in government appears to have diminished its ability to approach the terror threat in a consistent fashion. it is likely that there are currently many eyes off many balls, while politicians scrabble for their own, rather than the nation's, survival. Both Hazel Blears and Jacqui Smith were meant to be helping tackle the terror threats, Blears through her department's Preventing Violent Extremism agenda and Smith through the Home Office. Both women have now been exposed as ridiculous lightweights. If they were as prone to poor judgement in their personal political lives as recent events have suggested, then how could their approach to terror have been taken seriously? And then there are the apparent false alarms, with Brown declaring, at the time the Pakistani students were arrested in April, that a major terror threat had been averted. Yet again the intelligence appears to have been faulty, reducing the government's credibility further.
Buh and Blair bear the responibility for this
[info]seraskier wrote:
Saturday, 13 June 2009 at 08:22 am (UTC)
Their idiotic jihad has created blowback of an unprecedented kind.
Re: Buh and Blair bear the responibility for this
[info]il_767 wrote:
Saturday, 13 June 2009 at 07:43 pm (UTC)
What nonsense.
Islamic terrorism started decades ago, do some reading.
Re: Buh and Blair bear the responibility for this
[info]chadi_salim wrote:
Sunday, 14 June 2009 at 09:58 pm (UTC)
Its shame that you associate Islam with terrorism. This speaks volume about your views and attitudes towards Islam rather than terrorism. The IRA waged a decades-long terrorism campaign on this country & you never associate IRA with cristinity & you know very well it was a religious war after all.

Additionally, the Israeli have been waging a racist war against the Muslims for 60 years & the media never associate Juadism with terrorism did they?

And the Etka in spain, Tamil tigar in Shrilamka and the English & American in Iraq, Afghanstan, Lebanon, Palestine, Eygpt, India, Pakistan, Jordan etc. Their terrorism spanned for hundreds of years and still continuing but you never hear about it.

Its people like you & the one in control of the media that hold a grudge against the Muslims & protray them as terrorists. People who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.

DO SOME READING ABOUT ENGLISH TERRORISM BEFORE YOU TALK ABOUT THE MUSLIMS AT THE END OF THE DAY THE MUSLIMS ARE DEFENDING THEIR LAND FROM YOUR VILOENT TERRORISM
More Nonsense
[info]infangthief wrote:
Saturday, 13 June 2009 at 08:38 am (UTC)

From the lie factory.
The war on terror is terror.
UK left Iraq, now leave Afghanistan
[info]corporeal4now wrote:
Saturday, 13 June 2009 at 08:50 am (UTC)

A solution to removing any potential threat is to leave those countries the UK is currently invading.
Simple.
Terrorism has no faith
[info]globalnomad73 wrote:
Saturday, 13 June 2009 at 09:46 am (UTC)
Terrorism is terrorism, nothing Islamic about that. Also, let's not pretend that things happen in a vacuum: actions in one place can have reactions elsewhere, whether desirable/ legal/ acceptable or not. Key is peace & justice for ALL, without thinking anyone can be liberated by being bombed to democracy....
The Myth of Islamaphobia stifles debate
[info]richardm30 wrote:
Saturday, 13 June 2009 at 09:57 am (UTC)

All this tripe about Islamaphobia is hampering honest discussion about the Islamic threat to our security and the ability of our security services to deal with this threat. This has to END. Is there such a thing as Islamaphobia - or is it just a word invented by Muslims to brandish about whenever they feel like it? They have obviously learned from the hard left that branding people as racist or Islamaphobic plays to the fair nature of British people and gets them political mileage. This has to END.

Strictly speaking, a phobia is an irrational fear about some innate and unalterable quality of something. Thus, you can be arachnophobic if you fear spiders - spiders cannot change - a spider is a spider. You can be sinophobic if you have an irrational fear of Chinese people - they cannot change either. You can be homophobic - an irrational fear against gay people - who also cannot change. But Islamaphobic ? Religion is a CHOICE it is not an unalterable innate quality. I question if it is even possible to be Islamaphobic in the true sense of the term.

But so desperate are Muslims to portray themselves as the victims in almost everything, that they have conjured up this strange term. And even IF there was such a thing as "Islamaphobia" I think it would be perfectly rational and sensible thing to be. Islam's daily unrelenting death toll, its persecution of women and gay people, the daily bombs - even against its own people and the terror it spawns - I would have thought it would be perfectly sensible to be Islamaphobic - IF it were possible.

Look at www.thereligionofpeace.com to understand why Islamophobia would be sensible IF it could ever really exist in the first place.


Re: The Myth of Islamaphobia stifles debate
[info]bishbashbong wrote:
Saturday, 13 June 2009 at 10:48 am (UTC)
No... Islamaphobia is fear of Islam... Islam cannot change either.

This is the crap that you fall for. Islamaphobia is an invention of the Political Elite to create yet more division.

The only terrorists in this country are wearing dark suits and are generally to be found in the heart of the City of London where they'll be planning their next attack .
dear police state
[info]britfree wrote:
Saturday, 13 June 2009 at 10:23 am (UTC)
i'm very frightened , please steal some more of my human rights . love britfree X X X
Gordon's last-ditch terror scare
[info]findempire wrote:
Saturday, 13 June 2009 at 10:27 am (UTC)
Another pack of Nulabour lies on top of its endless succession of bogus terror arrests. The bogeyman gonna get you, people, so send your boys to get killed in Helmand and support our police state with which we will brutally repress your protests when we have to shut down your schools and hospitals because we dumped the entire contents of the Bank of England into the black hole in The City, and then some.
[info]scu1pture wrote:
Saturday, 13 June 2009 at 10:53 am (UTC)
the west has presided over violent inequalities in the middle east.
bush and blair put their 'bovver boots' on and went round the globe,
kicking various countries indiscriminately.
and now they are wondering why anyone wants to terrorise them.

obama appears to be making some moves to undo some of the damage
that his predecessor hoisted upon the world.

the same cannot be said for UK government.

(no subject) - [info]leonore35 - Saturday, 13 June 2009 at 10:57 am (UTC)
Re: Two words
[info]scu1pture wrote:
Saturday, 13 June 2009 at 11:06 am (UTC)
sexual repression?
tell that one to catholic priests.
Re: Two words
[info]jeey wrote:
Saturday, 13 June 2009 at 07:15 pm (UTC)
Like all religions, states take advantage of them and use them for their own ends. Itr would be ridiculas to blame Christianity for priests abusing children, or Jesus Christ for the Spanish Inquisition. Bush said that it was God who was telling him to go to war in Iraq, so should we blame Christianity for that?
The fact is Islam is interpretted differently in many different places, for examploe female genital mutations is something which happens in some muslim countries in Africa, and comes from the religion they had before Islam came along. Its very shortsighted of you to just take parts of what you hear about Islam, and just assume that that is the way all muslims are.
The fact is this kind of ignorance and easy acceptance of stereotypes is what causes impossible barriers to be made between people today.
The countries where Islam is practised in ways that most shock us westerners are in places where the government is being strongly militarily supported by the US and have nothing to do with the will of the majority, and everything to do with them being in a dictatorship which is armed by the US. Just look at the situation in Saudi Arabia and Egypt, if the US withdrew their support these leaders would never be able to continue treating the people the way they do, Islam is not the problem, it is as usual the US foreign policy.
When did Islam invade UK?
[info]rhinocircus wrote:
Saturday, 13 June 2009 at 11:49 am (UTC)
Now, I don't think I'm wrong in saying (a) The US and UK along with other US dupes, illegally invaded and pulverised Iraq. Also (b) that, the US and UK and other US dupes, illegally invaded--and are still carrying on a war in Afghanistan. (c) That all western countries stood by and watched Gazans being massacred by merciless Israel for twenty-two days. (d) Western Leaders, led by the Israel/US interests have been waging an overt and covert war against Islam, in order to divide and disrupt their culture and bring them into full "democracy" (Capitalism).
For all this, British Security Services are offering the British people greater protection, by taking away those freedoms and private moments, which may find them vulnerable to attacks, from the kind of terrorists who killed Jean Charles de Menenzes as he sat on a train at Stockwell Station.
Re: When did Islam invade UK?
[info]richardm30 wrote:
Saturday, 13 June 2009 at 12:23 pm (UTC)
The "British Council of Muslims" AKA "The Council for the covert Islamification of Britain" is evidence that Islam has already made very significant inroads into our society. The strategy of the British Council of Muslims is to affect political change by lobbying the mainstream parties behind closed doors and away from the unhelpful scrutiny of the public. And on many occasions the main stream parties have just caved into their demands. One of their most recent demands was for the Government to introduce laws that would forbid criticism of religion. THIS in the UK in 2003! Shocking.
Re: When did Islam invade UK?
[info]chadi_salim wrote:
Sunday, 14 June 2009 at 10:07 pm (UTC)
You have the Jewish Council in the UK & You have the Seik, Hindu, Orthodax council & they all have demands that are in line with their cultures and religions. Are they also invading Britain?
Re: When did Islam invade UK?
[info]richardm30 wrote:
Monday, 15 June 2009 at 07:43 am (UTC)
NO religious organisation should have ANY influence over a democratically-elected government! Islam appears to be far more aggressive in the covert lobbying of politicians based on the facts that we do know. Muslims also demand special rights that could potentially lead to the destruction of democracy - like this nonsense about wanting Sharia law - a medieval and corrupt concept, unsuitable for free countries.
Re: When did Islam invade UK?
[info]ash1168 wrote:
Saturday, 13 June 2009 at 12:40 pm (UTC)
The question of Islam terrorists, or the religion of ANY terrorist for that matter, should not be the focus of counter terrorist measures. The terrorist threat is a universal menace, and when it comes to the murder of innocent civilians, such as children who are the embodiment of innocence, the terrorist are all of ONE CREED - to hate, kill, murder and perpetuate tragic suffering on the largest scale possible. Whilst I am militantly opposed to the death penalty, I think it is time to reconsider waiving human rights for those who, in cold blood, do not have the slightest belief in human rights themselves, as evedenced by their actions. Yes, I'm proposing an amendment to the geneva convention on human rights, for those who would blantaly pour scorn on, and violate that sacred principle. Take them out of the equation (execute). Especisally tf they are influencing their peers in prison, sharing the intelligence of how they were caught (which they are bound to hear in court) and hence becoming increasingly one step ahead of the anti-terror effort. Remove the threat. The terrorists hate us anyway, and such a law will not increase their wrath, and in turn, the threat they pose. They more than do the same to their own randomly chosen targets.
Two words
[info]leonore35 wrote:
Saturday, 13 June 2009 at 12:45 pm (UTC)
Skullpture
Whatever the shortcomings of RC priests and there are many, I have never heard of one blowing himself up to kill a lot of innocent people and get a quick flight to paradise/heaven. Actually even though they always tell us how great heaven is none of them seem to be in a hurry to get there, maybe they are not sure of their reception! Did any IRA bombers blow themselves up on the advice of their priests?
I assume your logo is meant to be offensive to Jews, it is offensive to me and I am not a Jew
Ministry of truth
[info]findempire wrote:
Saturday, 13 June 2009 at 01:21 pm (UTC)
The Indy's UK page consists entirely of queenie's honors list and the new terror scare. WTF is this, the Pyongyang Pravda? Orwell's ministry of truth?
One of the seven deadly sins
[info]ameliemaryann wrote:
Saturday, 13 June 2009 at 01:23 pm (UTC)
I completely agree that the root of Islamic terrorism is sexual repression amongst peasant people who cannot discriminate against this unnatural dogma. Men's violence has, in the past, been channelled through hard, often heavy work, and sexual activity. We are seeing the results of having been relieved of hard work in our own indigenous population, and not only to men but to women as well. 'The Devil finds work for idle hands to do'. However, sexual activity (for good or bad) has not yet been banned as it has in the Muslim community until and unless the youth marries - and then children are expected to be produced in quantities. This creates bottled up tension in male youth which finds its outlet in violence against that which it is actually jealous of - the freedoms of non-Muslim people. It is simple psychology: jealousy, one of the seven deadly sins, unless it can be contained and not encouraged, leads to mayhem.
Richard, you are spot on! Islamists will shout deceitfully racism everytime!
[info]nooraza wrote:
Saturday, 13 June 2009 at 01:52 pm (UTC)
Muslims, now self-elected led by Dark-Age Islamists, do not seem to understand what racism means? They are religious believers, not some ethnic group! Such deceit to shout racism everytime is meant to destroy freedom of speech, one of the greatest western heritage, the great Enlightenment era. Further, these Islamists will exploit the Jewish genuine struggle against anti-Semitism since Hitler and Islamists categorize the Jews as a race, in order to justify their systematic mass murder that include the HOLOCAUST and oppression of the Jews since ancient history. Muslims, on the other hand, have never been labelled as a race, until recent history. But the Islamist start labelling themselves as a race in order to silent criticism of their abuses of universal human rights. particularly, freedom of speech.
[info]bundubasher wrote:
Saturday, 13 June 2009 at 03:10 pm (UTC)
More hype to keep us "peasants " ( public) in fear and loathing , that is engineered rather than factually based.
Who is getting shafted ?
[info]drug_baron wrote:
Saturday, 13 June 2009 at 07:12 pm (UTC)
Where is the greater threat ?

Financial terror to the tune of trillions of dollars evaporating into thin air, abra ka dabra whooosh ! Resulting in thousands commiting suicide due to financial ruin !

Or the decoy of so called Islamic Terror ? Whilst the "pin-stripes" beaver away at you savings !


Re: Who is getting shafted ?
[info]ourmaninferney wrote:
Saturday, 13 June 2009 at 10:05 pm (UTC)
Perhaps surprisingly, but there has not been a marked increase in suicides since the financial meltdown started.

However, the spate of Muslims blowing themselves, and others, up has continued unabated.

I would suggest that this clearly defines the greater threat to life.
Re: Who is getting shafted ?
[info]bishbashbong wrote:
Sunday, 14 June 2009 at 10:52 am (UTC)
"However, the spate of Muslims blowing themselves, and others, up has continued unabated."

Only in you head!
More nonsense II
[info]thorntongate wrote:
Saturday, 13 June 2009 at 08:39 pm (UTC)
Will this be as dangerous as the terror threat last Easter?

Or that terror convoy on the M65?

Anyone seen any 'secret' dolcuments being waived around in Downing Street?

BTW, why are so many of those arrested - and NOT brough to trial - during the Easter 'crackdown' still detained. I thought it was 28 days max?

Are our security services also proud of the story in today's Guardian which read like something the BNP might have cooked up?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2009/jun/13/life-terror-suspect-control-order
Time to ramp up the Fear.
[info]bilejones wrote:
Saturday, 13 June 2009 at 09:42 pm (UTC)
Works every time.
More lies, more fearmongering, more propaganda...
[info]rogerblake wrote:
Saturday, 13 June 2009 at 10:00 pm (UTC)
More chance of being hit by a bus than being blown up by a terrorist, yet I don't see the bus depot being invaded and bombed by the army, or civilians being arrested for crossing the road when a bus was coming 'for our own good and the safety of our nation.'

Don't people understand? It's all one big government controlled hoax...

What they don't tell you is most of the attacks by terrorists are either plotted by the governments themselves on themselves (well, on it's citizens/solders) in order to gain backing through fear and demands of retribution, or, they gain prior knowledge about planned attacks and ALLOW them to happen to further their agendas. (Many governments admit these so-called false flag operations, just like the sort Dick Cheney was talking about doing in Iran by painting US boats up like Iranian fleets and blowing them up. And just like he touted in his documents Rebuilding Americas Defences about 'needing another Perl Harbor' - and 9/11 was just 'gifted' to them a short while later...)

Don't get get it?

7/7 happened because the intelligence agencies 'apparently' lost track of someone who was working for them - an Islamic MI5 informant - who miraculously planned and executed the attacks. Really?

Much like the mainstream news reports of recent about scientists and structural engineers and demolition experts talking about the TONS of nano-thermite found in the World Trade Centers wreckage (which can ONLY be produced by the government) and just bizarrely found it's way into the towers... which had such tremendous security, I do believe unknown people winching up tons and tons (read: palets and palets) of the stuff through lift shafts might have been suspicious.

Of COURSE it was an inside job. And, this WILL be exposed in a matter of time. Look into it.

People need to accept reality: Government does NOT care about us. It cares about control and fearmongering to give it unlimited license to invade nations and pass draconian anti-terror laws it then uses (read: abuses) against it's own citizens. Plus, the massive contracts it gives to it's corporate masters along the way.

Is that a camera you have? You're a terrorist...

If you speak out agains the government, you're a terrorist...

Read up on it - don't trust the government.
What about the FBI...
[info]rogerblake wrote:
Saturday, 13 June 2009 at 10:11 pm (UTC)
Are we truly to believe that we aren't being attacked because the security agencies are so incredible at their jobs? And all these laws they've passed are so effective?

Or are we to believe the truth... that really, there are very, very, very few people plotting attacks. Even fewer capable of doing them. And, even fewer willing to do them.

It's all a massive overblown hoax to keep us in fear and keep us controlled. Any time the heat gets too much, they bring up another impending terror attack. And, if their approval ratings continue to drop, they might even carry one out - our government, I mean.

The FBI - just like the CIA does on a country-wide basis - has now resorted to training and setting up people as terrorists only to take them down later, and then splash it in the papers that they've saved New York from a massive terror attack, etc. Just like our security services do.
Anyone noticed what Obama's done?
[info]rogerblake wrote:
Saturday, 13 June 2009 at 10:18 pm (UTC)
He campaigned on Change, yet he's changed absolutely nothing.

The smart people knew this was because the same people who controlled Bush control Obama. He's their new front man. He's done nothing but EXPAND on what Bush did - expand existing wars, flirt with starting new wars (Iran, Pakistan, N. Korea, and whoever else) and expand spending, expand torture and detainment without trial, and expand the oppression of the government over it's own people.

Government is NOT your friend. People need to wise up, stop believing that government is good for you when all they do is lie, cheat, steal and kill, and teach your children to be suspicious of you and hate you.

If you don't get the last comment, it's simple: Newspapers have been reporting young children are being encouraged at school to snoop, distrust and inform on their parents. Add to this the utter disdain government has for the traditional mother/father/child family unit and their all out attempts to disrupt and destroy it, the picture of the future in countries like Britain and the U.S. is dire.
Hype
[info]sallyos wrote:
Saturday, 13 June 2009 at 10:22 pm (UTC)
Problem/ reaction/ solution.
A very old game. Their are No alqaeda in UK, none in U.S. Only in main stream news. Divide and conquer. All freedom loving peacful people will be dubbed terrorists. All corrupt terrorists will be promoted and place in to the house and senate. They use us dumbed down sheeple to air their dirty laundry. They even poll us to see how the propagaganda is working. e.g "do you think we will be attacked by Al qaeda" I mean why would they poll this. You know why. Translation. If intelligence prepares another false flag and commits genocide against its own citizens, will we get away with it, or will you look at Al qaeda. VERY CLEVER!! Round of applause. Same with Swine flu. Pandemic Only exists in the media. Forced vaccinations on their way.Big bucks for big pharma. MUHAHAHAHAHA!
What about 0bama?
[info]rogerblake wrote:
Saturday, 13 June 2009 at 10:25 pm (UTC)
He campaigned on Change, yet he's changed absolutely nothing.

The smart people knew this was because the same people who controlled Bush control Obama. He's their new front man. He's done nothing but EXPAND on what Bush did - expand existing wars, flirt with starting new wars (Iran, Pakistan, N. Korea, and whoever else) and expand spending, expand torture and detainment without trial, and expand the oppression of the government over it's own people.

Government is NOT your friend. People need to wise up, stop believing that government is good for you when all they do is lie, cheat, steal and kill, and teach your children to be suspicious of you and hate you.

If you don't get the last comment, it's simple: Newspapers have been reporting young children are being encouraged at school to snoop, distrust and inform on their parents. Add to this the utter disdain government has for the traditional mother/father/child family unit and their all out attempts to disrupt and destroy it, the picture of the future in countries like Britain and the U.S. is dire.
[info]00molly00 wrote:
Sunday, 14 June 2009 at 12:55 am (UTC)
terrorists??? hmmm, this is just to distract us from how we are being blatantly shafted for our hard earned cash by the incredibly corrupt government in this country.

Al Quaida? What fabricated nonsense. There is no such organisation in existence. The only terrorists here are the one ones that illegally occupy countries to steal their oil, not sparing a thought for the millions of innocents murdered in the process. The way the government keep us quiet and ensure we continue to behave like robots is by convincing us we are under constant threat and thus their illegal operations are justifiable. Open your eyes people. We are the terrorists and by playing the game and paying taxes to a government such as this we all have blood on our hands.
[info]dreadmorayeel wrote:
Monday, 15 June 2009 at 11:39 am (UTC)
Lies.

The War On Turr,Inc is a worldwide $ham.

Dont believe a word of this guff.

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