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Freed mercenary calls for Mark Thatcher to 'face justice'

By Cahal Milmo

Simon Mann has served less than two years of a 34-year sentence imposed last June

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Simon Mann has served less than two years of a 34-year sentence imposed last June

Simon Mann, the Eton-educated mercenary who was imprisoned for plotting a coup in west Africa, arrived back in Britain today and called for Mark Thatcher to “face justice” over his alleged involvement in the ill-fated conspiracy.

A day after he was released from the notorious Black Beach prison in Equatorial Guinea following a pardon from the oil-rich country’s president, the 57-year-old former SAS soldier landed at Luton airport on board a private Falcon 900 jet to be reunited with his wife and seven children, including his youngest son, Arthur, who was born after his arrest in 2004.

Mann is expected to be interviewed “very soon” by Scotland Yard detectives conducting an investigation into claims that part of the planning for the plot to overthrow President Teodoro Obiang Nguema was conducted in London, and therefore could have broken British terrorism laws.

The British soldier’s premature release, just 15 months into a 34-year prison sentence imposed last summer, is widely considered to have been linked to his testimony during his trial that the bungled coup’s organising team included Sir Mark, son of the former prime minister Baroness Thatcher, and Ely Calil, a London-based businessman with interests in oil. Both men, who issued statements welcoming Mann’s release, have consistently denied claims they were involved in the plot.

Before leaving Equatorial Guinea, whose 500,000-strong population has seen little improvement in living standards despite the discovery of their country’s huge oil wealth in the 1990s, Mann said he would be happy to appear in a British court as a prosecution witness to testify against Sir Mark and Calil.

He said: “I am very anxious that Calil, Thatcher and one or two of the others should face justice.” Mann was visited three times in Black Beach by officers from the Yard’s counter-terrorism command as part of their investigation, but it is not yet clear whether he is being treated as a witness or a potential defendant.

A Metropolitan Police spokesman said: “We can confirm we are investigating whether any offences may have been disclosed in this country. We are aware of developments but are not prepared to discuss them further.”

Mann, who was due back at his £5m Hampshire mansion last night, said he was “extremely grateful” to Obiang – who has been described by a British judge as presiding over a regime that routinely uses torture – for his release and the way in which he had been treated.

As well as receiving meals cooked at a nearby hotel and a weekly phone call to his sister, the Briton had an exercise bicycle in his cell and regularly lunched with his host country’s security minister.

In a statement, Mann said: “I regret what happened in 2004. It was wrong and I’m happy that we did not succeed. I am extremely grateful not only for my pardon but the way in which I’ve been treated from the moment I arrived in Equatorial Guinea.”

It emerged yesterday that his supporters had paid £200,000 as part of negotiations to secure Mann’s release, conducted in London in August and September at a series of meetings at the Ritz hotel and the Equatoguinean embassy in St James’s. The sum was agreed to cover the “expenses” of officials after initial demands for a £270m settlement were dropped by the Obiang regime.

Mann said: “This is the most wonderful homecoming I could ever have imagined. There hasn’t been a moment during the last five and a half years when I have not dreamt of one day being back in Britain with my family.”

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The Playing-Fields of Eton
[info]reinertorheit wrote:
Wednesday, 4 November 2009 at 03:23 pm (UTC)

have made them fwightfully bwave...

Suddenly a fascist nutjob has become a national hero....?
Re: The Playing-Fields of Eton
[info]oldgriper wrote:
Wednesday, 4 November 2009 at 07:44 pm (UTC)
Spot on.

I read the book; THE WONGA COUP and Fred Karno's Army was better organized according to it.

Simon Mann was regarded among the Mercenary fraternity as the paragon of military planning and according to his followers, if anyone could take out a tin-pot dictator. He could.
I suppose they made their second mistake when they used Frederick Forsyth's book 'Dogs of War' as the definitive manual for their Coup Strategy. Their first mistake was including Thatcher's wimp.

It's interesting to note, that the group claimed to be hardened mercenaries and Special Forces Trained soldiers. But when they got turned in by Zimbabwe forces, they all blew the gaff on each other.

Re: The Playing-Fields of Eton
[info]reinertorheit wrote:
Thursday, 5 November 2009 at 01:13 am (UTC)

They should have let this scum Mann rot in prison with the rats until he died. But the Old School Tie can work its magic for even murderous criminals like Simon Mann.
Paied by the word, are we?
[info]had_it wrote:
Wednesday, 4 November 2009 at 03:56 pm (UTC)
Is "lands back in" the same as "returns to"?
Mercenary?
[info]pinhut wrote:
Wednesday, 4 November 2009 at 04:04 pm (UTC)
What part of the popular definition of terrorist does Simon Mann not satisfy?

If he had plotted the violent overthrow of the UK government, or that of Afghanistan, or of Iraq, would we be labelling him 'a mercenary'?

Is he somehow morally superior because he worships the $ rather than Allah?
Re: Mercenary?
[info]icarus_69 wrote:
Wednesday, 4 November 2009 at 04:21 pm (UTC)
A mercenary fights for whomever will pay him, regardless of any right or wrong in the objective. There need be no terrorism in what he does. It could just be normal soldiering against soldiers. A terrorist uses attacks on non-military objectives to try to bring about a particular end. Terrorists are usually idealists. I wouldn't want either at my dinner table, but mercenaries are lower down the dung-heap than terrorists.
Re: Mercenary?
[info]ancientoneuk wrote:
Wednesday, 4 November 2009 at 04:29 pm (UTC)
But it is rarely "normal" soldiering against soldiers and more likely coup, plot, crime or drugs as the mission involved.

Your definition of terrorist could use some work as well because you have listed Britain and America's modus operandi in Afghanistan and Iraq for a start but according to the powers that be neither can be called "terrorists"
Re: Mercenary?
[info]icarus_69 wrote:
Wednesday, 4 November 2009 at 05:04 pm (UTC)
Well, no. Mercenaries have, for centuries and currently, been widely used as combat units in wars. That is the original and current meaning. That they sometimes do other things does not affect the case. They are motivated by money, not the ends aimed at.

That regular military forces sometimes hit non-military targets is not relevant to the definition of terrorism. It is not the principal modus operandi. Often military forces are careless of non-military bodies, which is inexcusable. Sometimes non-military targets are deliberately chosen, but it is usually for the pursuit of a military objective. That is also probably inexcusable. It is quite reasonable to call the bombing of Dresden, for example, terrorism. That regular forces sometimes commit acts of terrorism does not affect the definition of terrorism.

It is important to be aware of the meanings of words and not confuse them, otherwise exchange of views and information becomes difficult.

We tend to call terrorists whose aims we approve of freedom fighters, but they are still terrorists.

And I wouldn't let 'the powers that be' define usage. That's the way we get 'collateral damage'.
Re: Mercenary?
[info]ajlennon wrote:
Wednesday, 4 November 2009 at 11:22 pm (UTC)

Informative stuff indeed. Where does 'counter-insurgency' fit in then? And how comes I never read about the 'insurgency' that must be going on in all these wars we seem to be involving ourselves in for us to be busy with 'counter-insurgency' ?

Is this because 'countering' something implies fixing a problem whereas calling these nasty people 'insurgents' instead of 'terrorists' instead of might imply they might have a legitimate gripe?

Re: Mercenary?
[info]icarus_69 wrote:
Thursday, 5 November 2009 at 07:48 am (UTC)
Insurgency doesn't imply terrorism, only a revolt against the authorities. It doesn't even need to be violent, though it is usually understood to involve armed resistance. It could take the form of non-violent occupation of government institutions.
The invasion of Iraq was not counter-insurgency, as the target was the government of the country. There was subsequently insurrection against the occupying forces, so 'counter-insurgency' could be used. Similarly the invasion of Afghanistan was directed at those then in control, the taliban. Once they were 'defeated' and a 'democratic' government installed, action by the taliban became an insurgency. Governments (all of them) misuse such terms, but the terms do have meaning.
Re: Mercenary?
[info]ajlennon wrote:
Thursday, 5 November 2009 at 09:43 am (UTC)
"The invasion of Iraq was not counter-insurgency, as the target was the government of the country".

Not to be pedantic, but as we're trying to use words correctly to communicate an understanding of actions,

"I have made it clear that the purpose of any action should be the disarmament of Iraq. Whether that involves regime change is in a sense a question for Saddam as to whether he is prepared to comply with the UN resolution. I consider it odd that people can find the notion of regime change in Iraq somehow distasteful. Regime change in Iraq would be a wonderful thing. That is not the purpose of our action; our purpose is to disarm Iraq of weapons of mass destruction, but I can assure the hon. Gentleman that if he studies the Iraqi regime carefully, he will find that it is not very redolent of anything to do with the Liberal Democrats. "

Prime Minister, taken from Hansard 24/09/02

I do appreciate that even were this statement taken to be true both on September 24th 2002 and on March 20th 2003 this would still not imply our invasion of Iraq was "counter-insurgency"...
Re: Mercenary?
[info]icarus_69 wrote:
Thursday, 5 November 2009 at 10:07 am (UTC)
My point precisely: it was not counter-insurgency but directed at the government of the country, to stop that government doint what it was allegedly doing. I'm not sure what your objection is.
Re: Mercenary?
[info]ajlennon wrote:
Thursday, 5 November 2009 at 02:13 pm (UTC)
Just that you wrote "the target was the government" which to me implies regime change.

See how easy it is to get confused when people don't use clear language? ;)
Re: Mercenary?
[info]icarus_69 wrote:
Thursday, 5 November 2009 at 02:43 pm (UTC)
It seems perfectly clear to me. The implication you registered was supplied by you. My point was that it was the government, not insurgents, who were being opposed. It is a question of defeat, not change. Most wars are not about regime change, but they are aimed at the government of the nation concerned, as it is the government that can change the situation that caused the conflict. When this country declared war on Germany in 1939 it was not to change the German government but to oppose and reverse Hitler's occupation of other European nations. If he had withdrawn his troops within German borders the war would have ended and Hitler would have remained Chancellor (barring assassination by his own men).
Re: Mercenary?
[info]ajlennon wrote:
Saturday, 7 November 2009 at 03:22 pm (UTC)

It wasn't clear to me. My apologies for my inability to understand your meaning. The implication I assigned to your post seemed the most likely given the circumstances of the war (not allowing weapons inspectors to complete their inspection etc. etc). Perhaps if you had been clearer...

Re: Mercenary?
[info]tominlondon wrote:
Wednesday, 4 November 2009 at 08:38 pm (UTC)
Another superb product of the British public school system. He lived like a prince whilst incarcerated, and returns to live in a £5 million mansion. People like this guy can walk on water and get away with murder (literally).
Some points...
[info]ancientoneuk wrote:
Wednesday, 4 November 2009 at 04:45 pm (UTC)
Mann was an officer in the SAS not a regular soldier with the SAS on secondment from the Scots Guards, for those that are in the know, this is a very big difference as SAS officers are not permanent and are limited with how many terms they can serve with either regiment, it is likely he did one or two short terms with them but on the scale of things he would not have measured up in the same way as a permanent sergeant of the SAS who would have made Mann look like an amateur.

But he is a purveyor of death and destruction and he was involved with Tim Spicer for some time, the same Tim Spicer that did nothing when his company Aegis were recording trophy videos of innocent Iraqi's being gunned down by Aegis workers.

Those considering a life as a "Wild Goose" should also know that many times these companies find it cheaper to arrange for a bullet in the nape of the neck than paying up, it is a dirty, dirty business and we should be demanding it be outlawed.
Silver lining
[info]lkdamo wrote:
Wednesday, 4 November 2009 at 06:24 pm (UTC)
Well if Tatcher get's hung out to dry, it will be worth it :)
Dreams coming true!
[info]cyrjames wrote:
Wednesday, 4 November 2009 at 06:52 pm (UTC)
Mann said: “This is the most wonderful homecoming I could ever have imagined. There hasn’t been a moment during the last five and a half years when I have not dreamt of one day being back in Britain with my family.”

Beware. The old Chinese curse. May your dreams come true!
The Singing Mercenary
[info]quizbook wrote:
Wednesday, 4 November 2009 at 07:43 pm (UTC)
If a chap has to earn a few quid organizing a coup in Africa, and has the bad luck to get nicked, he ought not to squeal on his pals, what ? Bad form dont you know, not the act of an officer and a gentleman ! On the other hand if Thatcher and Calil end up paying for their part in the coup perhaps we can forgive Mann after all, dreadful bounder though he is.
Mann the man vs Mama's boy in the court of public opinion
[info]casperclc wrote:
Wednesday, 4 November 2009 at 07:47 pm (UTC)
Mark Thatcher's been awfully quiet and who can blame him. And as much as Mann wants his pound of flesh, subjecting Mark Thatcher to any form of justice now would constitute double jeopardy. Mann would do better just penning his memoirs and subject Mark to the court of public opinion.

Perhaps a tad of hypocrisy, the Yard would want a word with Mann upon his release. What more needs to be investigated or said that the Yard couldn't get off Mark Thatcher. That said, it is a freaking disgrace the conduct of the Yard, Foreign Office and all who shielded Mama's boy from the letter of the law.

The entire episode reeks just as much as when the SFO investigated arms purchased that involved the Saudi govt, the ruling family and tribal sandmonkeys fleecing the coffers of the Kingdom and all conducted under the auspice of Blair and Co.

Something doesn't smell quite right in the Commons or is it the Lords' ?
PMC / Mercenary / Terrorist
[info]nihonkuma wrote:
Wednesday, 4 November 2009 at 07:49 pm (UTC)
Being a CPO I like the following 3 words

PMC / Mercenary / Terrorist

It is the same job under 3 different names depending on who your employer is.

PMC - You are working for our Government to kill people overseas.
Mercenary - You are working for yourself leased out to someone else to kill people overseas.
Terrorist - You are working for the enemy of our Government to kill our people.

PMC - You are a HERO protecting UK Public / Interests overseas in countries like Afghanistan.
Mercenary - You are a money hungry basta*d cashing in on hell holes like Afghanistan people claim you have no morals and only live for money.
Terrorist - You are against the UK/West forcing its ideas and beliefs on to you, your country and your fellow FREEDOM FIGHTERS!


So to the guys that leave the MoD what will your title be

CPO (Crap money if working in the UK)

PMC (Was good money until all the companies started undercutting one another, now they are paying peanuts and employing monkeys)

Mercenary (Money is fantastic depending were and who you have to help meet their maker.)

Or

Terrorist (Crap money, Chinese build AK-47s and over 100,000 US/UK/Aussie troops looking at putting a bullet in you.
Freed mercenary calls for Mark Thatcher to 'face Justice
[info]kevinjl wrote:
Wednesday, 4 November 2009 at 08:45 pm (UTC)
The more you think about this so-called operation,you wonder why! so called world-wise?men,would undertake such a task.all I can see is the one Person who is truly damaged! is Mrs Thatcher,Mark Thatcher could be telling the truth,and Mr Mann! what did he realy know! only what he was told! lets be honest an awful lot of gold can blind anyone,to the true intentions of man,and the Iron-lady,sure must have made enemies,enough to blow up a Hotel!,this way gets her inner and outer!
Finding Thatcher
[info]snotcricket wrote:
Wednesday, 4 November 2009 at 09:43 pm (UTC)
Mann may well be keen for Thatcher to face 'justice', but it cost a bloody fortune to find him last he went missing & if true he get's lost shopping in Tesco then he could be anywhere.

Rumours he had difficulty navigating the internet were discounted when he was found confused in his lounge looking for a 13 amp socket.
thatcher
[info]daveek wrote:
Wednesday, 4 November 2009 at 11:04 pm (UTC)
exactly how did mark become millionaire arms dealer?
Re: thatcher
[info]littleglimmer wrote:
Wednesday, 4 November 2009 at 11:32 pm (UTC)
Mummy has a track record of helping sonny with the odd job here and there.
Disgusting
[info]optimistg wrote:
Wednesday, 4 November 2009 at 11:57 pm (UTC)
That's revolting, so he plans to murder a ruler overseas no doubt to shape events in his favour, and profit off the countries natural resources. However because he is British, this is OK, top treatment in jail (much better than many locals whom just want a liveable wage as opposed to profiting from their own countries resources) and then after a 2 year stint, he gets to come back home to his $5million mansion.

No doubt, I'd imagine he'll be joking after the Church service over Christmas dinner about those 'crazy Africans' who cannot seem to get their affairs in order. What a sick world.
Re: Disgusting
[info]stephen_burnett wrote:
Saturday, 7 November 2009 at 04:10 pm (UTC)
When Englishmen were doing the same 150 years ago, they hung medals on them and revered them as builders of the Empire. You could say it's progress of a sort.
Something missing here: his supporters?
[info]violetsmart wrote:
Thursday, 5 November 2009 at 12:17 am (UTC)
Pieces of this story is obviously missing.

1."Mann, who was due back at his £5m Hampshire mansion..."

This mansion, was it inherited, or did he come by it by engaging in nefarious jobs?

2. "It emerged yesterday that his supporters had paid £200,000 as part of negotiations to secure Mann’s release..."

His supporters? Who are his supporters that they could come up with such a sum, and why did they do it?

oil
[info]snowdonwatcher wrote:
Thursday, 5 November 2009 at 09:43 am (UTC)
At the end of it all was oil.

Isn't that what America, Britain et al go to war for all the time.
We need to understand where our moral legitimacy on this comes from
[info]richardjeff wrote:
Thursday, 5 November 2009 at 11:28 am (UTC)
Yes, the Equatorial Guinea government is corrupt, bizarre and possibly evil.... in my view; but who is to make that judgement and act on it: The subjected people themselves, a bunch of mercenaries driven by commercial interests in accessing mineral rights, a foreign government using subterfuge and intrigue, the same foreign government but with public policy and some democratic support, or a combined exercise between governments under a NATO, or UN or even EU remit?

If we are to have some sort of moral legitimacy on our side and test our judgment as to what regimes should be changed or not then we need to be clear with ourselves how we answer those questions.

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