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Peer calls for radical steps to reduce rapes

Introduce free late-night transport for women and teach boys about consent, says Baroness

By Rachel Shields

Baroness Stern is leading the rape review

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Baroness Stern is leading the rape review

Rapists will continue to walk free from British courts in the future, the peer leading a government review of sex crime admitted this weekend.

Lady Stern said last week that while some progress has been made on the issue, radical measures are needed, in prevention, policing and prosecution. Free late-night transport for women would go a long way to reducing attacks; as would education for boys, teaching them the importance of sexual consent.

As the Government prepares this week to launch its strategy for the next 10 years to tackle violence against women and girls, Baroness Stern, a cross-bench peer, said some cases would always be beyond the power of the courts. The problem is "you have to prove beyond reasonable doubt something which happens in private between two people. A ceiling may exist beyond which a system cannot adjudicate," she said.

The review was announced earlier this year amid concern about how the police, local authorities, health providers and the Crown Prosecution Service respond, individually and together, to rape complaints. Britain currently has the lowest rape conviction rate in Europe. Some women's groups estimate that only 15 per cent of rapes are reported to the police; 80 per cent of those that are reported do not make it to court. Just 6.5 per cent of reported rapes end in a conviction.

While Lady Stern, who is a senior research fellow at the International Centre for Prison Studies at King's College London, acknowledged some cases could not be prosecuted successfully, she said changes in police and prosecution practice could improve conviction rates.

Her review is intended to encourage more women to report attacks, as well as to improve the performance of public bodies dealing with rape. It will also consider the role of victim support organisations, such as sexual assault referral centres and rape crisis centres. The number of rape crisis centres fell from 68 in 1984 to 38 in 2009 due to lack of funding.

Many of the 44 police forces in England and Wales have been criticised for their handling of rape cases in the past.

The peer has spent the past few weeks visiting police forces in cities such as Newport, Manchester and Blackpool, focusing on examples of good practice, rather than investigating forces with bad track records.

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Hertfordshire.
[info]ron_broxted wrote:
Sunday, 22 November 2009 at 12:55 am (UTC)
You also need to mention contributory negligence. You also need to mention false and malicious accusations. You also need to mention anonymity of the accused and police attempts at "fitting up" in the Blackwell and Donnelly cases to name but two.
Re: Hertfordshire.
[info]dydor wrote:
Sunday, 22 November 2009 at 01:11 am (UTC)
What's 'contributory negligence'? Going out after dark?
Re: Hertfordshire.
[info]ron_broxted wrote:
Sunday, 22 November 2009 at 01:59 am (UTC)
That is an asinine remark. Read the transcript of the Donnelly trial. We now have rape in retrospect. Perhaps the Fminazis will draw up consent forms to be signed at the appropriate time?
Re: Hertfordshire.
[info]lady_icedragon wrote:
Sunday, 22 November 2009 at 09:34 am (UTC)
I want to know what you consider to be 'contributory negligence' when it comes to rape.
Re: Hertfordshire.
[info]ron_broxted wrote:
Sunday, 22 November 2009 at 12:10 pm (UTC)
I am quite content to stick with the legal definition.
Castration too Stern?
[info]redroseandy wrote:
Sunday, 22 November 2009 at 06:17 am (UTC)
Testicles are the consistency of jelly and a good hard squeeze will turn them to mush and prevent rape (and future rapes). Would this be too radical for Lady Stern?
Re: Castration too Stern?
[info]ron_broxted wrote:
Sunday, 22 November 2009 at 12:14 pm (UTC)
Is that the answer? Womens self defence is one avenue. Rape, it is said, is not about libido but power.
Re Hertfordshire.
[info]thisanthat wrote:
Sunday, 22 November 2009 at 10:09 am (UTC)
Much of what you say has validity and what's equally important is the huge sums in compo that are paid out on conviction. The Germans stopped the compo for sexual offences a while back. The result was a 70% reduction in alleged cases of sexual harrassment.
Over here it appears castration is the only solution that will appease the female of the species. But I supppose they think that would make them equal!!
Re: Re Hertfordshire.
[info]ron_broxted wrote:
Sunday, 22 November 2009 at 12:17 pm (UTC)
I have just re-read Sterns ideas. Equality? One's daughters get free transport whilst one's sons must apparently take their chances. This free transport, when does it commence? Chucking out time at local pubs? Where does it encompass? Every rural address in Britain? Every no-go slum area?
Hang em.
[info]auntyeunice wrote:
Sunday, 22 November 2009 at 11:59 am (UTC)
At least the Lady wants to debate the subject and not just reduce the 'beyond reasonable doubt' to an accusation will do.
I do wonder if Britains courts have such a low rate of conviction using the above method of adjudication, how do continental countries have higher rates, and if it is by just believing the woman, is that the kind of justice we want for all our soon to be EU enforced criminal cases? Don't get me wrong, I want all rapists convicted and if the truth were told hanged as well as it is a despicable act, but I would also act on another premise, better ten guilty men go free than one innocent man go to jail, and remember, in a lot of European countries you are guilty until you prove yourself innocent. We have to be very very careful on how we go with this subject as it could alther our age old system for ever. I would suggest we concentrate on prevention and education rather than bugger about with a perfectly good legal system to improve conviction rates.
Re: Hang em.
[info]ron_broxted wrote:
Sunday, 22 November 2009 at 12:20 pm (UTC)
We have already lost thr right to silence, are about to lose trial by jury and have lost habeus corpus. We have detention without trial. Many laws yet little justice.
re hertfordshire
[info]kraken1485 wrote:
Sunday, 22 November 2009 at 01:35 pm (UTC)
If a pissed up youth is responsible for his own actions in urinating on a war memorial, a woman who has set out to get thoroughly drunk on a night out is at least partiallt responsible for her own safety and descisions.
Re: re hertfordshire
[info]lady_icedragon wrote:
Sunday, 22 November 2009 at 04:35 pm (UTC)
how does the fact that a woman is drunk make it OK in any way for someone to rape her?
Re: re hertfordshire
[info]ron_broxted wrote:
Sunday, 22 November 2009 at 08:38 pm (UTC)
It does not make it ok. My pal is a West Indian, if he insists on drinking in a BNP pub then he doesn't DESERVE to get glassed but must take responsibility for a dumb move.
False rape claims are an epidemic
[info]pierceharlan wrote:
Sunday, 22 November 2009 at 04:57 pm (UTC)
I am founder of the leading site in the world that gives voice to those falsely accused of rape, both men and women, the False Rape Society. False rape claims are at epidemic levels; everyone knows it, but the sexual grievance industry and its useful idiots refuse to acknowledge it. Rape is the easiest serious crime to lie about, so it is little wonder that the number of false accusations of rape exceed any other serious crime by multiples of four to seven (regardless of the canards told by the sexual grievance industry). If you want to decrease rape claims, you need to teach girls and boys that girls experience greater ex post facto regret following consensual one-night-stands, and they too often transmogrify this experience into rape. To suggest that rape is rampant and to treat the falsely accused as a myth is morally grotesque.
Re: False rape claims are an epidemic
[info]ron_broxted wrote:
Sunday, 22 November 2009 at 08:40 pm (UTC)
Good point. If one enters a police station and said there was a murder, then fail to prove where the corpse is or any forensic evidence, it would be
1. wasting police time,
2. a rapid 136 Section (Mental Health Act).
My thoughts
[info]twinpeaked wrote:
Sunday, 22 November 2009 at 07:22 pm (UTC)
lady_icedragon, I don't think any of the people on here who are objecting to the plans, are defending psychotic predators that prey on women (and lets not forget men too). The victim being drunk is not a mitigating circumstance or defence for any predator predisposed toward raping innocent victims. This is black and white, it can't be challenged, and you are totally right if this is what you are focusing on.

The big issue here is the so called "grey area". Which can come from a cocktail of different things, from drunken consent (with perhaps an equally intoxicated partner) to miscommunication between the two parties. It should never be a defense for a rapist. But it is the important thrashing ground for rape prevention that is a two way street. Both parties are responsible and should exercise their own relevant form of risk avoidance.

The policies stated are heavy handed and offensive to both sexes IMHO. For men, they are being tarred as rapists in the making, for women it treats all women as too dumb to look after their personal safety. It's also an unequal policy, with men at risk from rape and violent attack. Feminists campaign to be given an equal playing field because they (and I) believe that women are truly equal. Why then do we see an example of special treatment for women who are adamant about their equal standing in society

Also as a foot note, and on a slight tangent. It really is a shame that when appears to defend the rights and needs of their gender consideration of the opposite sexes needs fly out of the window (this applies to both sides, and not just of this comment thread). This is a grey area (the way of dealing with and preventing rape) with central ground where the needs of both sexes need to be represented. Partisan attitudes do not help anyone
Re: My thoughts
[info]ron_broxted wrote:
Sunday, 22 November 2009 at 08:43 pm (UTC)
Yes but bear in mind that (certainly as far as Hertfordshire Constabulary in a notorious case in 2004) were concerned it is all about getting "a name in the frame" any "evidence" is then shifted to suit the tale. "Fitting up".
Re: My thoughts
[info]rumblefish100 wrote:
Wednesday, 16 December 2009 at 09:04 am (UTC)
It is a difficult issue to comprehend. On this issue it is that the once proven INNOCENT male after the trial has to deal with the stigma and trauma. If a women loses the trial she SHOULD be named. The law is wrong to name a man in any form unless found guilty for the allegation. The law needs ammending.
Re: My thoughts
[info]ron_broxted wrote:
Wednesday, 16 December 2009 at 09:57 am (UTC)
Dear Rumblefish, I blogged on this previously. I advocate the "Arizona Law" that any woman making a false claim is subject to the same sentence as a rapist. Wonder what Lady Stern thinks of it?

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