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Police chiefs' association accused of profiteering

By Brian Brady, Whitehall Editor

The private organisation representing Britain's top police officers faced demands last night for reform – or even disbanding – over allegations that it was being run as a business with a multi-million-pound budget relying heavily on public funds.

Civil liberties campaigners and opposition politicians called for the Association of Chief Police Officers (ACPO) to be "stopped in its tracks" amid growing concerns over its burgeoning powers.

ACPO, a private company, is paid millions of pounds a year by the taxpayer to, in effect, run the nation's police forces. It has been viewed as providing a vital public service in writing the rules on police operations, advising ministers, and campaigning on issues such as the proposed 90-day detention of terror suspects and the DNA database.

But a newspaper investigation has raised concerns over "profit-making" activities, including selling information from the police national computer for up to £70 a time – when ACPO pays just 60p for the details.

The organisation also markets "police approval" logos to firms selling anti-theft devices and runs a separate private firm offering training to speed-camera operators.

ACPO, set up in 1997 to replace an informal network of police chiefs who decided national policies, is headed by former Sussex Chief Constable Sir Ken Jones, who earns £138,702 a year. In the past two years its influence and public role has expanded and its annual income from "project" work for the police and the Home Office has risen to £15m, from £1.3m in 2005. But its growth has taken place without any parliamentary debate or public scrutiny, and its decisions are largely taken in secret.

Shami Chakrabarti, the director of the civil rights group Liberty, questioned whether ACPO's role as a company with increasing national powers was legal. "ACPO is many things," she said. "It advises government, it sets policing policy, it campaigns for increased police powers, and now we learn it is engaged in commercial activities – all with a rather shady lack of accountability."

The shadow Home Secretary, Chris Grayling, questioned ACPO's role. "Is it an external reference group for Home Office ministers or a professional association protecting senior officers' interests?" he asked. "Is it a national policing agency? Is it a pressure group arguing for greater police powers?"

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institutional corruption
[info]doomsdaybug wrote:
Sunday, 15 February 2009 at 02:25 am (UTC)
An as yet unnamed elite, lawless organisation is actually running the country by stealth, in effect a silent insurrection from within. The control must be total, absolute, and lead top-down from the centre. What and who cannot be controlled must be destroyed by nulabor. An unelected cadre already runs the country, bypassing Parliament, the Judiciary, and all the institutional safeguards that were designed to ensure our freedoms, especially free speech.
Re: institutional corruption
[info]ancientoneuk wrote:
Sunday, 15 February 2009 at 07:55 am (UTC)
Thats because "they" have worked out that democracy, in any shape or form out of their control can no longer be tolerated, especially in times where the people may revolt.

One has to consider here in the UK such names as the Illuminati, the hidden upper echelons of the Freemasons, the Europewide "Circle", Bildeberg and consider what they are really up to.

Certainly there is a hidden and sinister agenda afoot, the sudden move towards a totalitarian state, removal of centuries old rights, the introduction of ID cards, identity databases and surveillance, things that Hitler suddenly moved towards in the 1930's and used to great effect against his perceived targets.

1984 was written by Eric Blair/George Orwell as he was shocked at the governmental power invested in the BBC aware at the total intrusion the government gained through a media and also the effect his own work with the MI was having on him psychologically, it is often quoted as a means to understand a true totalitarian state BUT it is also a very very useful manual for any politician that has aspirations for a total control state.

Yet, 1984 is here, the government spies on us continually, its agents are above the "law", the two tier state becoming more and more apparent, the media tells us like in the book, who the "enemies" are and what we must do and accept to keep us safe, that failure to obey leads to indoctrination, incarcaration and in the case of the police, failure to obey can mean death.

One day they are going to take the velvet glove off to reveal the iron fist, as in Germany in the last century, it will be swift, complete, the nation stunned and paralysed, inable to react or resist.
Re: institutional corruption
[info]asonberg wrote:
Sunday, 15 February 2009 at 05:52 pm (UTC)
The illuminati? Would that be the Alien Lizards that David Icke claims really run the world? Come on... I am all for bashing the corrupt and innefective politicians/police/big business etc but the "illuminati"? Give that nonsense a break.
Police Chiefs profiteering
[info]alexweir1949 wrote:
Sunday, 15 February 2009 at 06:24 am (UTC)
Over the last 20 years Britain has become a very corrupt society. ACPO's shenanigans are only the tip of the iceberg. Intelligence Services are out of control and are now performing attempted assassinations against non-terrorist white native British subjects who are innocent of any crime. And the politicians to the highest level are directing these actions and/or colluding in their cover-up. Time for disclosure and punishment, and then a return to civilised values. Mr Alex Weir, Harare, Zimbabwe
The police have too much power, period.
[info]whostoletyke wrote:
Sunday, 15 February 2009 at 11:50 am (UTC)
Trouble is, the police can arrest you nowadays for impure thoughts. Say just about anything and there will be a police officer in earshot, or one of the state's willing spies in local government, just waiting to pounce. Wander through a park alone and ten to one there will soon be a posse of wardens on your tail, officiously asking you to justify your presence. Dare to take photographs in a public place and the police will demand your camera and film, because despite what the law says, they don't like people being free to take photographs in public. After all, what is CCTV for if not to spy on people, and that means ALL people, not just 'wrong-doers'? What is the ID Card for if not to place everyone under suspicion of being involved in benefit fraud, money laundering, illegal trafficking, drug misuse, child abuse, or any of another 1,000 potential crimes associated with being British? Why is automatic numberplate recognition following your every mile on Britain's highways if not to build up a picture of your movements that will be used in court to prosecute you for driving at 3 mph above the speed limit in open country at 2:36 am on Thursday, the 15th of August? Why does the government show us entertaining films of people's cars being crushed before their very eyes for failing to pay L200 road fund licence? The entire raison d'etre for every human activity in Britain today, under New Labour, is to promote fear, suspicion, uncertainty, doubt and schadenfreude at the hands of state-sponsored bullies who are just waiting for that dropped apple core or half-eaten sausage roll in order to clap you in ASBOs or worse. Most other nations would have rebelled by now, but we British just suck it up and bend over still further while our pressure cooker society has its safety valve welded shut through our apathy and apparent indifference.
Re: The police have too much power, period.
[info]ratcatcher911 wrote:
Sunday, 15 February 2009 at 01:42 pm (UTC)
We're not sucking it up. Thousands of us (possibly millions) are getting involved, getting aware, turning off their TV sets and walking away from the ludicrous lies that have been plied for decades.
A violent inssurection is something that the public would lose at a great cost. The reality of rebellion is a damn sight nastier, chaotic and less appealing than many people seem to accept.
Our "brave boys" would be back from their Ramboesque adventures in far flung, oil-rich wastelands in a flash if anyone so much whistled in the general direction of Westminster. They may be flag waving patriots now, but they wouldn't show their own people an ounce of mercy if civil war descended.
But it won't come down to that. They depended on secrecy to succeed and they've lost it. It's only a matter of time before things get out of their control. It may be a long time coming, but it'll happen.
Don't despair, we'll turn it around.
Police racketeering
[info]marinebigmike wrote:
Sunday, 15 February 2009 at 02:06 pm (UTC)
MP's, Lords and now the Police, who is next on the gravy train ?
Liberty Is Paronoid
[info]mike4626 wrote:
Sunday, 15 February 2009 at 03:00 pm (UTC)
local authority is said to be corrupt. MP's are said to be corrupt. Police Officers are said to corrupt. Bankers are said to be corrupt. No professional body can be trusted. Utility companies are profiteering. Youth do not have the 'values' of previous decades.

Are all the above correct or are we being indoctrinated towards negative ideology ?
Not before Time
[info]johncheshire wrote:
Sunday, 15 February 2009 at 03:02 pm (UTC)
I am amazed that entities such as ACPO are not only allowed to exist in this country but are actively encouraged to flourish. There is only one conculsion that I am able to come to and that is there is a conspiracy to turn us into a police state. If we are not there yet. So, I have to ask, to whose benefit is that. Well, it's not mine. When I read today in the Sunday Times, of the way a cleric was treated by the police, who was photographing his children - admittedly in unusual circumstances - reading books, I am fearful of what would happen to me should I attract the attention of the police. We should all be afraid of the police force we have today and do whatever it takes to bring them back under control.
Labour Have Contempt For Democracy
[info]kaptainkitten wrote:
Monday, 16 February 2009 at 11:48 am (UTC)
Privatisation of law-enforcement to ANY degree shows that quite clearly. It removes the power of the individual to influence government policy.

People have jokingly stated that New Labour would postpone the general election if they thought they would lose, but the privatisation of government is, in essence, nothing less than the abolishion of democracy.

We would still have elections, there would just be no point in them.


Obviously we are only at a low-level at the moment, but this sort of thing can only happen slowly in a democracy. Sneakily you might say.

It's already pretty bad, if unchecked where will we be in ten years?

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