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Quakers to conduct gay weddings

By Jerome Taylor

The Quakers have put themselves on a collision course with both the Government and fellow Christians by becoming the first mainstream religious organisation in the country to approve gay marriages.

At a meeting in York yesterday the denomination, which is also known as the Religious Society of Friends, voted to extend their marriage ceremony to same-sex couples and called on the Government to change the law on gay marriage.

British law allows same-sex couples to conduct civil partnerships, which in effect gives them all the rights of a married couple. But the law stops short of labelling the ceremony a marriage to avoid offending religious groups, who believe a marriage can only be conducted between a man and a woman.

The move is significant because, like rabbis and Church of England priests, Quaker registrars are allowed to marry people on behalf of the state. The Religious Society of Friends had long taken a tolerant stand towards homosexuality, unlike many orthodox Christians who believe homosexuality is a sin.

The issue of gay marriages has almost torn the Anglican Communion apart, with the socially liberal and conservative wings of the Church bitterly divided over the issue.

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[info]goldenmug wrote:
Saturday, 1 August 2009 at 12:20 am (UTC)
Good for the Quakers!
[info]deccaquinne wrote:
Saturday, 1 August 2009 at 04:27 am (UTC)
I agree. Good for the Quakers.
Society of Friends — same sex marriage
[info]cambridge_paul wrote:
Saturday, 1 August 2009 at 07:29 am (UTC)
One abiding trait of the British character is a sense of fairness. "Let justice be done though the heavens fall." In the numinous silence of a Quaker Meeting, the quiet voice of conscience, sympathy and agape can be clearly heard. In York yesterday it spoke clearly, not only for Quakerism, but for the overwhelming majority of British people. It may well offend some, those adherents of the Bishop of Rome who still believe in the Inquisition, the "disgruntled of Tunbridge Wells" and the devout followers of Mohammed. Does that really matter?
I am not a Quaker, though I think I should be. I fall into the category of a "semi-detached Anglican" having the facility of worship in an Anglican chapel rather than the business centre that used to be my parish church. Quaere, has the General Synod considered the fee income generated by the celebration of same-sex unions?
The Rule Book
[info]mikeo38 wrote:
Saturday, 1 August 2009 at 10:18 am (UTC)
We can always just forget everything the Bible warns against and then we can do anything we want. Some of us just dont seem to understand that its not what we want, its what He (God) wants. If you dont like His rules then join the satanic church its just as much fun in religious terms. You can do all the same things like pray and sing but you dont have to follow the rules. God isnt gona change the rules for you, your takeing a big chance if you think that the God the Quakers are supposed to be following will change His stance to give us piece of mind. Dont shot me Im just the messanger. :)
Re: The Rule Book
[info]richardjeff wrote:
Saturday, 1 August 2009 at 11:17 am (UTC)
The opposite of your God's rules is not Satan's rules but thoughtful considered morality based on mutual respect, fairness and acknowledgment that we are integrated with the whole working of nature/the universe. You only have Satan if you have a God.

I'd rather have goodness. The scared can be found without adopting righteous intolerance or thinking you know the ultimate truth in fact the sacred is the continued search for truth and recognising that though you get closer you never quite arrive.
Re: The Rule Book
[info]oldironside wrote:
Saturday, 1 August 2009 at 11:43 am (UTC)
So, if you follow that to it's logical conclusion you will therefore
- ban remarriage for divorced women (Matthew: 5, 32)
- ban interracial marriage (Deuteronomy 7, 3, Numbers 25, 6-8, etc)
- ban marriage between Christians and non-Christians (2 John, 1: 9-11 and 2 Corinthians 6, 14-27)
- prevent any man from marrying if he has had erotic thoughts about any woman other than the one he intends to marry (Matthew 5: 28)
- prevent any woman from marrying who is not prepared to obey her husband's every whim (Corinthians 11: 3, amongst many others)
- ban any marriage between an aggressive or contentious woman (Proverbs 21: 9, etc) - thereby ending marriage once and for all in Liverpool.
as well as fully enforcing the book of Leviticus, which proscribes women teachers, the consumption of shellfish, clothes of mixed fibres and many other things.

I somehow think that, if God does exist, she is laughing at us.
Re: The Rule Book
[info]johnnydee22 wrote:
Saturday, 1 August 2009 at 02:36 pm (UTC)
"Some of us just don't seem to understand that its not what we want, its what He (God) wants"

Says who?
Re: The Rule Book
[info]sebmel wrote:
Saturday, 1 August 2009 at 03:21 pm (UTC)
Mikeo38, God also wants you to stand at the fish counter waiting to throw rocks at the people buying lobsters. I'll provide you with a shopping cart full of pebbles if I can take pictures.

No matter how reasonable the Quakers are being it is still a superstition. Please, gay community, don't adopt this superstition after two millennia of murderous persecution. No community has seen more clearly the abusive consequences of society accepting superstitious interpretations of reality.

The problem is not solved by refinement of religions: the religious method us totally inadequate for the purposes claimed.

The scientific method elucidates reality: the religious method (tuning into your hackles) results in the blowing up schoolgirls, a search for hidden tablets of gold, playing with rattlesnakes and praying through the TV, courses about spacemen tying beings to volcanos, and families committing mass suicide in the Guyanian jungle.

They are all in the business of conning the gullible and the indoctrinated into giving them everything they can get: right up to accumulating vast Empires... and the more they get, the more violent they become.

Be happy with civil partnerships... they are the only civilised way to marry.
Quaker marriage
[info]witch9spring wrote:
Saturday, 1 August 2009 at 02:42 pm (UTC)
I was there: we worshipped together, we listened to one another, we spoke with passion and courage but we did not vote. Our decisions are made in Meetings for Worship for Business, in which we seek to recognise and accept the sense of the meeting as a whole, as recorded by the clerk in a minute with which we are all able to unite. I would refer those interested to /www.quaker.org.uk/home and, in particular to Ch. 3 of the online Quaker Faith and Practice for further information
Good on them:)
[info]darklie wrote:
Saturday, 1 August 2009 at 02:43 pm (UTC)
People have to learn that their religious view of marriage is not the only view. Who is anyone to decide that, because of one's own religion, another religion's marriages are not valid?

I am really happy and proud of the friends for their, I only hope they don't mind weddings with a little more "bling" than they are used to, as I sense a mass conversion coming.
gay weddings
[info]sheilajeff wrote:
Saturday, 1 August 2009 at 05:32 pm (UTC)
Jerome Taylor says that 'the law stops short of labelling the ceremony a marriage, to avoid offending religious groups...' Why do reporters always assume that it's just religious people who would object. I am not religious but I consider that a marriage can be only between a man and a woman. Any other partnership is not a marriage. I consider homosexuality to be a natural, not a 'normal' state and that the natural consequence of homosexuality is childlessness. The views that I hold have nothing to do with any religion.

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