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Why divorce makes women the poorer sex

A new study shows men's income rising 25% after a split, but many ex-wives are plunged into poverty

By Sadie Gray

The common perception surrounding divorce is that wives generally take their husbands to the cleaners. But the first study to track the changing wealth of British divorcees claims the opposite to be true, especially when the separating couple have children.

The effects of divorce upon income are so marked that they are enough to haul men out of poverty while plunging women into it. The incomes of ex-husbands rose by 25 per cent immediately after the split, but women saw a sharp fall in their finances, which rarely regained pre-divorce levels.

Some 27 per cent of women ended up living in poverty as a result – three times the rate of men – and only 31 per cent received maintenance payments from ex-husbands for their children.

"The difference between the sexes is stark. But this is not so much a gender thing as a parent thing. The key differences are not between men and women but between fathers and mothers," said Professor Stephen Jenkins, a director of the Institute for Social and Economic Research, who carried out the survey. He combined data from 14 British Household Panel Surveys from 1991 to 2004 with information from five European surveys, then came up with new per capita incomes by recalculating the figures using the same formula employed by the Government to measure poverty.

"The percentage change in income is less if [women] have worked beforehand and continue working after the relationship breakdown. There is also a potential positive impact if she remarries," he told The Observer.

The situation was only reversed in cases where the ex-husband remarried and had children with his new partner while paying child maintenance to his former wife, Professor Jenkins said, adding that the only way to even out the inequalities was to tackle differences between the roles of men and women in the labour market and within the family.

Ruth Smallacombe, of divorce specialists Family Lawyers in Partnership, said: "The general belief that men get fleeced by their divorces while women get richer and live off the proceeds has long been due for exposure as a pernicious myth. In reality, women often suffer economic hardship when they divorce. In addition, the resentment caused by unfair financial settlements has many knock-on effects."

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Why divorce makes women the poorer sex
[info]parmoman09 wrote:
Sunday, 25 January 2009 at 08:40 am (UTC)
My wife was a physically violent woman, who in the end made false allegations that I was violent (i never touched her), all she was advised by the local womens' refuge to say that she was "scared of me". Due to these false allegations, i could not return to the house that i had paid for, she also legally stopped me seeing my children for 3 months. After the 3 months, i could only see my kids "supervised" by CAFCASS. I now can see my kids for 2 hours a fortnight. I received all these legal judgements "ex parte" which means that i have NO chance of defending them, and i had to do a course of Stopping violence in the home" when I was not the violent one. Women have been shown by independent ACADEMIC reseaches to be responsible for 70% of UNRECIPROCATED VIOLENCE , and mothers commit majority of abuse against kids.

Due to those false allegations of "Domestic Violence", i could no longer live in the house, see my kids. She was "awarded" the house, custody of my kids, got half my pension, ALL the furniture, 1 car. I now have to live a cheap bedsit in the poor part of the city. All this legal stuff is made by "Family" courts, operating in complete secret.

It is all because governments want fathers to keep working and pay taxes/child support after a divorce. They want to recouperate Social security payments for single mothers. Justice is irrelevant, and it all getting MUCH MUCH MUCH worse for fathers every year !
Re: Why divorce makes women the poorer sex
[info]suzymiller wrote:
Sunday, 25 January 2009 at 10:07 am (UTC)
@parmomano09

Even though I have just commented on the article regarding how women often lose out financially, I know from Families Need Fathers (and fathers that I know) that what you are saying is also a serious and unjust issue that is still a long way from being resolved.

Although I deplore parents using children as weapons, I believe that the more couples are encouraged to collaborate (most people I know have never heard of `matrimonial financial mediators' or `collaborative lawyers') then there will be less fear and anger raging around the break up process, making parents less likely to use their children as ways of punishing each other.

I have posted a fantastic poem by Clare Kirwan, that a collaborative lawyer I know gives to all her clients who have children. It is called `Weapons': http://www.startingovershow.co.uk/index.php/using-the-children-as-weapons/
Agreement is key
[info]postnups wrote:
Sunday, 25 January 2009 at 09:56 am (UTC)
With post-nuptial agreements being fully binding following the recent case of Macleod (http://www.postnuptial.agreements.co.uk/case_law/MacLeod_v_MacLeod.pdf), couples can now come to a fair agreement whilst married on what their respective shares would be if they were ever to separate or divorce.

This method of sharing assets has the distinct advantage of being entirely consensual and reflecting what the couple truly considers to be fair in the absence of the animosity and expense which inevitably leads to unfairness within a contested divorce.

Further, by setting out what each partner stands to lose through divorce, the prospect of pooling resources and continuing the marriage can seem all the more attractive. Postnups are often used in mediation where finances are a source of disagreement in marriage. Allowing married couples to allocate their own finances fairly in a binding agreement can help them to set financial issues aside, and to concentrate instead on building their relationship.

Mark Andrew LL.B (Hons.)
Women worse off in divorce settlements
[info]suzymiller wrote:
Sunday, 25 January 2009 at 10:00 am (UTC)
During the process of creating the first ever UK divorce fair (Starting Over Show) I have spoken to many women who have ended up with very poor divorce or break-up settlements. The article is correct in saying that the key problem lies in the fact that the person who has the luxury of going out to work and doing the hours that suit them, is the one that will progress their career and income. Even with family tax credit (god bless it) a parent with children during the week is unable to earn the same amount of money, or do the same hours (many childminders don't work in school holidays) - and it's difficult to be a good parent when you never see your children because you are trying to progress a career.

There are other reasons behind the women losing out financially in breakup - contrary to popular belief, many women just want to get the divorce over with and compromise heavily. They live in houses they will have to sell on as soon as the youngest child reaches a certain age, while their ex-spouse is able to then cash in on what has been a growing investment that they may not necessarily have contributed to by covering maintenance costs of the property, or in one case I know, even contributing to the mortgage payments.

The event I am putting on in Brighton on 15 March 2009 is designed to provide legal, financial and wellbeing advice to people going through or starting over from divorce. A collaborative, non combative approach to divorce can create a fairer settlement for both parties, and wellbeing support is essential to be able to go through the process with some dignity, with long term sustainable goals at the heart of the settlement.

Sadie Gray's article is right on the button - this is a myth that really does need busting. And women and men both need more emotional support and a wider choice of options on how to progress divorce proceedings, which is what I am aiming to provide in Brighton this Spring.

http://www.startingovershow.co.uk
The truth
[info]francetta wrote:
Sunday, 25 January 2009 at 10:17 am (UTC)
I always feel that men who assert they have been victims of DM, also illiminate much of the truth re their own behaviour.
Yes there may be exceptions, but that is indeed what this is; most DM stems from men, as revealed in numerous academic studies. As for women being the majority abusers of childten, as mentioned. I have never once read any academic study that reveals as such.
There is no getting away from these facts.
bias
[info]montecristo5000 wrote:
Monday, 26 January 2009 at 12:53 am (UTC)
this is obviously biased, and takes no account of the fact that women typically end up with the marital home after a divorce settlement, so while they may earn less, the major asset that has been purchased by the couple ends up belonging to the wife.
Obviously incorrect!
[info]rohandharesh wrote:
Monday, 26 January 2009 at 07:25 am (UTC)
This article seems to be another of those billions that feminists across the world have written and are pushing their own agenda. I know plenty of men who have suffered immensely at the hands of women. Women are physically, sexually, emotionally violent. The time has come for men to wake up and unite and FIGHT the women. Feminists needs to be KICKED OUT OF ALL SOCIETIES. Feminists are Talibans and terrorists in disguise. There are plenty of career-divorcee women out there. Divorce hurts men much more than women. Divorce makes women richer. Time for men to wage the war against women! Hell! Fuck the feminazis!
Re: Obviously incorrect!
[info]fairness22 wrote:
Monday, 31 August 2009 at 06:50 pm (UTC)
YOU ARE ABSOLUTELY UNDOUBTEDLY AND COMPLETELY CORRECT. I AM A WOMAN AND I CAN SEE WHAT HAS HAPPENED TO BOTH MY SONS. WHO WERE STUPID, GULLIBLE, TRUSTFUL AND CONDESCENDANTS. I AM BY ALL MEANS STANDING BY HUSBANDS'S MEN'S PATERNITY RIGHTS. CHILDREN ARE SHAMEFULLY USED AS WEAPONS TO SATISFY THESE VULTURES'S MONEY HUNGRY. WHY SHOULD A WOMAN GET AWAY WITH JEWLERY, THE CAR (S), THE HOUSE, THE MONEY IN THE BANK, BIG SHARES OF THE BUSINESS AND ON TOP OF THIS HAVE THE NASTY GUTS TO DEMAND ALIMONY? WHY THE HECK DOESN'T SHE GO OUT AND GET HERSELF A LIFE BY WORKING. WHY SHOULD MEN BE ALWAYS SENT TO THE "CLEANERS"..... THIS LAW...THIS BEHAVIOUR WOULD NEVER NEVER EVER HAPPEN IN SICILY OR IN SOUTH AMERICA....ABSOLUTELY NOT. WOMEN ARE WELL AWARE.
It is about what happens to the finances after the divorce
[info]fifinoijd wrote:
Wednesday, 28 January 2009 at 01:12 pm (UTC)
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Re: why divorce makes women teh poorer sex
[info]darkshelves wrote:
Thursday, 29 January 2009 at 03:35 pm (UTC)
As someone who has failed at marriage I did learn a few useful lessons. Failure is due to not being able to reverse roles, I was able too, my partner was not! Each makes a contribution but no one measures the quality of the parenting skills of each half. but it is very easy to measure the financial outcome.

I always remember the line my ex gave me ..." I thought once you saw how much it would cost you to divorce you would not go through with it .." As a women who would turn a blind eye to any relationship so she didn't have to go out to work I was only too please to assert that I had never been unfaithful to my promise at marriage, she on the other hand had long since dismissed them as irrelevant.

Our children will now find their own way through life, it will be interesting which model they follow.

On the income after divorce hers went from gbp15k to gbp25K, mine from gbp45k down to gbp30k seems I don't fit the model !

One other lesson is Karma, in time the truth comes out and the lies are obvious to those who look back, just leave your children your side of the story, hopefully they will find it before they make the same mistakes.
[info]petersmh wrote:
Tuesday, 3 February 2009 at 07:47 pm (UTC)
What a load of rubbish. I note you did not publish the methodology of this supposed survey. Men do extremely poorly in the intial stages of divorce with respect to after tax, child support, alimony income. Millions of divorced men living in near poverty is hard to ignore. I am enjoying the delights of divorce cases in both Australia and Ireland and the laws are so biased they are a complete joke. The biased laws are part of the planned destruction of our society. Sorry, unless you are willing to publish the details of your 'survey' you will get no respect from those of us who know how feminists lie about practically everying and who have direct experience of the severe legal bias in the Family Law system.

Now...over the longer term, men do MUCH better than women who divorce. Why? Because women who divorce good men usually do it from greed and selfishness and they have no money management skills. Therefore, once the 'golden goose' has been well and truely put to the sword the majorty of divorced women fall on hard times. Add to this the fact that men are waking up in their millions as to just how biased these laws are that they are refusing to co-habit or remarry because they know it is a losing deal. All this means that a woman who is foolish enough to divorce a good husband is making a very hard future for herself. And it is by HER choice of FREE WILL, though I am sure you will hear plenty of women claim 'victim status' years after a divorce they initiate.

I am a great case in point of this. As part of the divorce process the majority of our assets will be transferred to the lawyers. I will be 45 and penniless....but my ex will get almost nothing. I can earn GBP250K a year. She will be lucky to make GBP30K a year. I will be a wealthy single man. She will be a poor two time divorcee. Her choice.
Wow...
[info]posterchild40 wrote:
Thursday, 12 February 2009 at 04:31 am (UTC)
I could not possibly agree more. After a divorce, we women have to fight like hell to put food on the table for our children.

My ex's income skyrocketed when we got divorced, and he insisted on paying less than the bare minimum for our 3 children. It's been my experience that agreement is idiotic, as they never agree, so unless I agreed to whatever he chose to pay, I would have been subject to months and months trying to take him to court. I ditched one application because I can't afford a lawyer, and I can't afford to take time off work to be wasted in court.

No matter what 'system' you're dealing in, the results are the same. The child support guideline was increased by 15% by the government where I live, and instead of making it an automatic increase, I had to take him to court to get it. It took a year to see a judge, at which time, because my ex didn't agree to the increase, we didn't get it.

What a total waste of time, energy and money. There has to be a better way.

such crap
[info]womentruth wrote:
Friday, 20 February 2009 at 12:41 am (UTC)
I am sorry, but this latest "study"falls short in so many ways. Yes, a womens income may go down after divorce, but her "wealth" goes up. Most women are able to reduce their work hours or go to part-time work after divorce. They cite "child rearing issues" as the reason they reduce work. They fail to mention that they can now AFFORD to work parttime as they are recieving TAX FREE income from thier ex's in the form of CS and spousal support every month. Then they get huge gov't benefits and tax breaks not even mentioned. When the study looks at their income, yes, earned income goes down as all this other money they get for free is not even termed income. And why do men keep working full time and get "rich"? Cause if they go to part-time they cannot afford to pay their exes unless they live on the street. This whole divorce indusrty makes me wnat to throw-up. I am a woman, one of the very few willing to admit the truth. Women are portrayed as victims when really, the true new "wealth" they aquire is never mentioned.

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