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Wife says noisy sex conviction breaches rights

By Rod Minchin, Press Association

A couple's nightly sex sessions were making their neighbours' lives' hell, a court heard today.

Caroline and Steve Cartwright's love making was described as "murder" and "unnatural" and drowned out their neighbours' televisions.

But it was not just the neighbours who were up in arms about the noise coming from their terraced house in Hall Road, Concord, Washington, Tyne and Wear - even the local postman and a woman who walked past the house taking her child to school complained.

A judge and two magistrates at Newcastle Crown Court even listened to a 10-minute recording of the Cartwrights romps, which were recorded over a five-day period last August.

Neighbours said the Cartwrights sex sessions would usually start around midnight and last for two or three hours, every night of the week.

Mrs Cartwright is appealing her conviction by magistrates for breaching a noise abatement notice that banned the couple from "shouting, screaming or vocalisation at such a level as to be a statutory nuisance".

She is using Article 8 of the Human Rights Act to argue that she has a right to "respect for her private and family life".

Mrs Cartwright is also arguing that she cannot help making the noise and has instructed a sexual psychologist to give evidence on her behalf.

Next door neighbour Rachel O'Connor said she was frequently late for work because she overslept having been awake most of the night because of the noise.

"It is not very pleasant living there and it has been quite stressful," she told the court.

"I always feel intimidated living there. I was aware of it when I first moved in but I did not believe it would be this bad."

Asked what the noise problem was, she replied: "The Cartwrights having sex. It's just quite unnatural.

"The noise sounds like they are both in inconsiderable pain. Mr Cartwright sounds like he is in inconsiderable pain.

"I cannot describe the noise. Totally excessive and I have never ever heard anything like it.

"I put my telly in my bedroom on as loud as it could go and they drown it out."

Specialist equipment installed in Miss O'Connor's flat by Sunderland City Council recorded noise levels of between 30 to 40 decibels, with the highest being 47 decibels.

Marion Dixon, an environmental health manager with the council, told the hearing what happened when the Cartwrights were confronted by the council with the neighbours' complaints.

"Mr Cartwright held his head in his hands but Mrs Cartwright seemed to find it quite amusing," she said.

"I told them at the time that the council found this extremely serious and was considering serving them with a noise abatement notice.

"She was adamant she could not stop the noise and had always done it."

Mrs Dixon said she visited both Miss O'Connor's flat and Marjorie Hall, who lived the other side of the Cartwrights, and took notes of what she heard.

"I heard a male voice howling loudly, which I felt was very unnerving."

Colleague Pamela Spark also visited Hall Road and took written notes of what she heard.

"Hysterical, almost continuous, just screaming," she said.

"I noted that I found it very disturbing and I noted that it sounded like she was being murdered.

"I also noted that it was very alarming."

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Henleaze.
[info]ron_broxted wrote:
Monday, 9 November 2009 at 04:23 pm (UTC)
She didn't live in Bristol in 1997 by any chance?
[info]reasonaboveall wrote:
Monday, 9 November 2009 at 04:44 pm (UTC)
I recommend a very loud hifi - playing polyrhythmic music, or simply music that does not fit with modern 4/4 timing.

I'm sure it would put them off their own rhythm very quickly. (Trust me - try it along with a song in 5/4 time - the only way it works is if both of you play rhythm instruments and understand it!)
[info]dogsolitude_v2 wrote:
Monday, 9 November 2009 at 04:59 pm (UTC)
There's one by Autechre that fits the bill nicely, Flutter:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v4OvHLdnRI8

This one was written as a response to the Criminal Justice Act 199? which had a clause specifically aimed at music of a nature characterised by repetitive beats (if I recall correctly).

Or you could try some stuff by the Aphex Twin, like Drucqs for example...
Noisy Sex.
[info]mh656 wrote:
Monday, 9 November 2009 at 04:44 pm (UTC)
I could say a lot, but modesty forbids.

Are these people really complaining about the noise proper, or are they secretly wishing their sex life was that good?

However, on the other side of the coin, people should be more discreet about such a personal activity.

Thinks, "I wonder if they do live shows".

Just kidding!!!!!!



The rights of society over the rights of the individual
[info]corporeal_v001 wrote:
Monday, 9 November 2009 at 04:50 pm (UTC)

Enuff said.
Re: The rights of society over the rights of the individual
[info]lucid1984 wrote:
Monday, 9 November 2009 at 05:10 pm (UTC)
I take it you don't have a job to get up for, then?
I suggest...
[info]kawasakiman wrote:
Monday, 9 November 2009 at 05:07 pm (UTC)
Why dont they throw in a littler bondage gear...such as gags, etc :-)
If it were me living next door
[info]lucid1984 wrote:
Monday, 9 November 2009 at 05:12 pm (UTC)
I'd be pretty annoyed, as I get up every morning to go to work, so enjoy being able to sleep through the night. The Cartwrights must not have such a schedule.

Also, if Mrs Cartwright wishes to protect "respect for her private and family life'' I'd suggest she research the word private.
Re: If it were me living next door
[info]vandrwilliams wrote:
Monday, 9 November 2009 at 06:48 pm (UTC)
I live next to an occasional screamer. They are inconsiderate low life.

If this is how someone has sex I recommend a gag or move to a detached house. Failing that get a career in the porn industry. It's not about sex -its about exhibitionism.

If they want a right to privacy then do it privately. "I can't help it" - I believe the technical word is 'bullshit'.
Re: If it were me living next door
[info]dragnflye wrote:
Wednesday, 11 November 2009 at 02:28 am (UTC)
"Exhibitionism" was the first word that came to my mind when I read the article. If they are loud enough to be heard from the street, it is no longer private, but rather public, and therefore not subject to rights to respect for private life. I see no difference between such loud vocalization and just doing it on their front porch.
simply astaounding
[info]faceel_jinco wrote:
Monday, 9 November 2009 at 07:49 pm (UTC)
It seems to me these two should be in the Guinness book of embarassing confrontations.But even though i think its a waste of tax payers money sending all those people to take notes about a couple sex sessions.he should tell the world his secret
Oh my word!!!
[info]zip111 wrote:
Monday, 9 November 2009 at 08:18 pm (UTC)
Really...have some respect for the world around you,wasting judges time on dealing with the antics in your bedroom!!! Selfish pair...sex or no sex,it is noise above and beyond the allowed range...deal with it!!! or move to a hippy community whereby rules differ to the real world we all have to live in!! ....soldiers being killed,children being abused whilst in care of qualified nursery nurses,old ladies being torched to death by fireworks....Says it all really!!
Noisy Sex
[info]mplumridge59 wrote:
Monday, 9 November 2009 at 08:42 pm (UTC)
All i can say is lucky devils having sex every night. The neighbours should come and live next door to me. I can promise them endless nights of total silence!
noisy sex
[info]bobbycrich wrote:
Monday, 9 November 2009 at 11:18 pm (UTC)
why don`t the council nimbys mind their own buisiness its got nothing to do with them what people do in their own house, as for the neighbours they were either enjoying listening or are they just jealous, after all if they didn`t like it they could always wear ear muffs. Also havn`t the council & courts got anything better to do instead of wasting tax payers money.one time it used to be you was king in your own home, now that no longer exsists due to the namby pambys
Re: noisy sex
[info]topoftheheap wrote:
Tuesday, 10 November 2009 at 12:25 am (UTC)
Some inconsistency in your opinions. I don't think Rachel O'Connor felt like she was king in her own home: in your view is it OK that she should be forced to wear ear-muffs? If your actions impinge on your neighbours, your neighbours are entitled to have a view; they have an interest. Not a difficult concept. The council and the court didn't waste taxpayers' money, they used it in a legitimate attempt to curb antisocial behaviour.
Re: noisy sex
[info]lucid1984 wrote:
Wednesday, 11 November 2009 at 12:19 pm (UTC)
Let's hope your neighbours have something to prove, Bobby, because I'd like to hear how YOU fare sleeping in earmuffs.

It's called respect for others. Most of us are luckily taught this by our parents.
[info]sameen wrote:
Tuesday, 10 November 2009 at 07:17 am (UTC)
I think there is something a bit wrong in the legislation regarding sex. Normally it's a private matter and where done in a way in which it is exposed to others, then it becomes a matter for indecency in public. However , there appears to be a loophole over noisy sex in the premises of a private owner which can only be dealt with under either noise pollution legislation or anti-social behaviour.
I'm not advocating puritanism or infringing on personal liberty. I am just suggesting that the well-being of the neighbouring community do take precedence over individual liberty, especially on matters such as this. In which case, the couple would have a responsibility to take reasonable measures to mitigate their disturbances, for example sound-proofing their house.
Uncontrollable my a£se
[info]boudica_brown wrote:
Tuesday, 10 November 2009 at 07:51 am (UTC)
They are exhibitionists and enjoy their notariety.

There is no such thing as an uncontrollable noise during sex. If someone offered them a million quid to have sex for three hours in total silence, we'd see how uncontrollable it was.

And any man here who thinks that their mate screaming at 45 decibels as if she were being attacked or "murdered" is a sign of pleasure and good sex needs to turn off the porn and go turn on a good woman for a change.
ooopsss
[info]foolsgold2112 wrote:
Tuesday, 10 November 2009 at 08:53 am (UTC)
Put a sock in it
JOBS?
[info]leonore1935 wrote:
Tuesday, 10 November 2009 at 08:58 am (UTC)
If this couple are having sex 3 hours from midnight every night I assume they do not have jobs. They can hardly be fit for work if they never get a proper nights sleep. The human rights act was not created for this type of thing and it show how low our solicitors will stoop today. It is not a human right to
disturb the rest of your neighbours
"Ahhhhhhh Sweet Mystery of Life.........."
[info]rassendyl wrote:
Tuesday, 10 November 2009 at 11:25 am (UTC)
It's OK Madam. The audience pays!
Noisy sex conviction
[info]carolinamoon33 wrote:
Tuesday, 10 November 2009 at 10:07 pm (UTC)
People are people are people and should not be convicted for being people. The richer ones of us can live in a large house, unnattached from our neighbors and scream all we want. So the poorer ones of us who cannot afford such luxury have to learn to tone it down, so we do not upset our similarly poor neighbours. History has always kept the poor down, so what is different now?
My neighbours had similar problems, their answer was to move into a different bedroom. My answer was to figure out how I could get richer and live in a lovely detached house where my privacy really is my privacy. They need to work it out for themselves.
Wife says noisy sex conviction breaches rights
[info]sandwichman88 wrote:
Wednesday, 11 November 2009 at 03:19 am (UTC)
What's with this woman, apart from being a stupid selfish exhibitionist. She is the one should be respecting her neighbours' Human Right to a bit of peace and quiet, especially at dead of night when most of us are trying to sleep in order to get up and go to work the following morning.
Re: Wife says noisy sex conviction breaches rights
[info]lucid1984 wrote:
Wednesday, 11 November 2009 at 12:35 pm (UTC)
It sounds to me like they have something to prove- perhaps bolstering their lack of self confidence by pretending to enjoy each other to a silly extent.

This all reminds me of an old friend, who used to fake orgasms with her boyfriend. He seemed to think the louder she was, the more she was enjoying it (which just proved his lack of actual experience).

Either way, I think we can safely assume they're jobless. Probably just trying to give themselves a purpose, or something.
[info]doug_piranha wrote:
Wednesday, 11 November 2009 at 04:30 pm (UTC)
she is right

it does infringe the rights of those who have a right to a decent night's sleep
and the rights of people to bring their kids up without the sound of these two
going at it all night like pair of dogs .

they cannot turn the volume down - they cannot stop themsleves -
and they have to do it at midnight. I suspect this is their 15 minutes of fame.

yerk - what a gruesome twosome
selfish pair of idiots
poor neighbours
[info]tony124 wrote:
Thursday, 12 November 2009 at 12:42 pm (UTC)
When I was living in a hostel type accomodation while I was a student, my neighbour had a noisy girlfriend. Although it was amusing for the first couple of times, then it got tiring and you just could not concentrate on anything. Fortunately that relationship did not last long. The neighbours must be going through hell. There is no reason this couple cant keep the noise down with a bit of practice. Its just they dont want to. Have they considered doing it on many of the late night channels they may even get paid for it?

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