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Blunkett: Labour is heading for 'civil war'

David Blunkett warns of 'self-inflicted' wounds amid rumours of Blairite plot

By Michael Savage and Nigel Morris

David Blunkett has voiced concerns over Gordon Brown's style of leadership

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David Blunkett has voiced concerns over Gordon Brown's style of leadership

Labour is lurching towards "civil war" following a succession of crises that have undermined discipline and reopened old divides within the party, a former Cabinet minister has warned feuding colleagues.

David Blunkett, the former Home Secretary and a key figure in the Blair government, called on his party to regroup urgently or face disaster in June's local and European elections.

He spoke out as rival Labour factions traded recriminations after a grim month for Mr Brown culminated in a retreat on his proposed overhaul of MPs' expenses and defeat for his plans to stop some Gurkhas settling in the UK.

Labour chiefs are braced for a dismal performance in the elections on 4 June, while some disillusioned Blairite MPs are threatening a final attempt to oust Mr Brown during the summer.

Mr Blunkett said the party urgently needed to offer a fresh vision to the electorate in order to get back on the front foot after the "smeargate" email scandal and damaging disclosures about MPs' expenses

"We cannot afford civil war," he told The Independent. "Both those on the old Left and some of my old colleagues who are described as Blairites, must not look backwards. Those are in the past and we must make our own way. After the last couple of weeks, we need to regroup and have a vision. We cannot afford to wait until after the summer elections. The public are still not convinced by the Tories."

In a speech today, the former Home Secretary will call for the party to "draw a line" under the last two weeks. He will hit out at "siren voices" within the party who he says are set on "turning back the clock".

Mr Blunkett also voices some disquiet over the Prime Minister's leadership, urging the party to "avoid self-inflicted wounds".

He will say: "The Damian McBride emails, the public horror at some of the exposure of MPs' expenses claims and an erosion of confidence in politics generally, requires a line to be drawn and the restoration of the antennae. The old battles are over and the need for visionary action is self-evident. So talk of going back to the past is dangerous."

The Prime Minister has faced criticism from key Blairite figures, including the former Transport Secretary Stephen Byers and another former Home Secretary, Charles Clarke.

A Brown loyalist last night accused them of plotting one last attempt to oust the Prime Minister before the general election expected next Spring.

He noted: "Byers was sitting there with a grin on his face when the [Gurkha] result was announced. Some people are going around saying things will get worse for Gordon. It's an organised operation."

But there are growing signs within Labour ranks that the mutiny is spreading to previously loyal figures. One senior minister protested that the "atmosphere is terrible" in Downing Street, while a veteran MP said the mood within the Parliamentary Labour Party was "very, very angry".

A backbencher with a marginal seat said: "The man has lost his authority – he's had a charisma bypass."

The turmoil in Labour ranks forced Mr Brown to order a fresh climbdown on expenses to avoid the risk of his second humiliating Commons defeat in 24 hours. Although he had already abandoned plans to replace the controversial second homes allowance with a daily "clocking in" payment to MPs, he had still wanted to win approval for the broad principle of linking allowances to attendance.

Labour MPs had formally been given a free vote on the subject, but were privately warned it amounted to a vote of confidence in the Prime Minister.

But with backbench MPs in mutinous mood and the Tories opposing the proposal, the Government decided not to press ahead with the perilous vote.

Instead the issue will be left to the independent Committee on Standards in Public Life chaired by Sir Christopher Kelly. Alan Duncan, the shadow Commons leader, accused the Government of "treading rapidly into realms of complete and utter lunacy".

No 10 drew some comfort from support in last night's votes to other expenses reforms proposed by the Prime Minister. They included banning outer London MPs from claiming for a second home, requiring MPs to publish full details of outside earnings and obliging them to produce receipts for all expenses claims.

The changes went through with massive majorities after Tory chiefs allowed their MPs to go home, prompting Labour accusations that David Cameron was less committed to reform than he maintained.

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Labour no longer knows what it stands for.
[info]dave1234567890 wrote:
Friday, 1 May 2009 at 12:37 am (UTC)
The electorate don't know the purpose of the Labour party and that is hardly surprising because Labour itself no longer knows what it stands for. After the removal of the 10p rate adversely affecting 5.6 million of the lowest paid, it clearly doesn't support the poor. It has never supported the middle class, which has been the target for most of Brown's stealth taxes. It is not compassionate, as demonstrated by its treatment of the Gurkhas. It doesn't keep its manifesto pledges as demonstrated by the non referendum on the EU Treaty. This Labour Government will only ever be remembered for the lies, the general incompetence, the sleaze, the financial disaster and taking over the mantle of the nasty party after the E Mail scandal. It will not make any difference whether Brown or one of his incompetent ministers lead the party into the next election, the party is now so despised, that their defeat will be huge. If Brown had any sense he would call an election now, if he wants to keep the Tory majority below 200.
Mr Blunkett - Loser Like Mr Brown
[info]mike4626 wrote:
Friday, 1 May 2009 at 07:21 am (UTC)
the two have a lot in common - both are losers
Re: Labour no longer knows what it stands for.
[info]deimosp wrote:
Friday, 1 May 2009 at 08:12 am (UTC)
It does. It standds fro prom at the taxpayers expense. It stands for whatever Brown wants. It stands for milking the system with taxpayers buying you a house (despite having another grace and favour paid for by teh tax payer). It stands for keeping the population under control and monitored at all times. It stands for secrecy.

In fact it is Napoleonic in nature.
You notice now of course...
[info]ancientoneuk wrote:
Friday, 1 May 2009 at 01:00 am (UTC)
That these factions no longer cite whats best for Britain or its people but hell bent on clinging onto power regardless of the shame that any decent person would feel right now looking at the state of the nation.

In bygone times, an honourable Prime Minister and his party would resign and accept defeat rather than have it forced upon them through the Hustings.

And what Blunkett and every Labour person fails to see is that they have made themselves unelectable for possibly a generation unless the Tories drop the ball further into the gutter than nuLabour.
Lies, damned lies and statistics.
[info]gaius_godd wrote:
Friday, 1 May 2009 at 04:09 am (UTC)
When the electorate has been treated as if it is non compos mentis during Blair's and Brown's 'decade of deceit' this Nu-Lab meltdown should suprise nobody. The writing has been on the wall for some time. Cameron will waltz into Downing Street, without a doubt, adding maybe as many as over a hundred ex-M.P.'s and cabinet ministers to the swelling dole queues. The landslide will be catastrophic for New Labour and well deserved. They have lost any semblance of moral authority. Nobody resigns, even for embarrassing offences involving demanding that the hard pressed taxpayer pay for fictional second and nominal third homes, not to mention renting porn videos. I am disgusted that nobody has been disciplined. What signal does this sent to the youth of today?

Brown should call an election now and spare us all the ghastly dance macabre of his doomed regime.
"The Prime Minister has faced criticism from key (Blatherist) figures"
[info]cronyblatcher wrote:
Friday, 1 May 2009 at 05:33 am (UTC)
In that case he can'e be a villain and has my support as such against the dogs of Blatcherism who while systematically and conscientiously completing Britain's bananarepublicanisation, conspired to misuse taxes and high office by perpetrating aggressive corporate welfare wars as pimps to our prostituted armed force.
Re: "The Prime Minister has faced criticism from key (Blatherist) figures"
[info]cronyblatcher wrote:
Friday, 1 May 2009 at 05:57 am (UTC)
This is to adopt the amusing typo.
While the country sinks deeper into the status of failed banana republic, the snouts characteristically snarl at each other - as for former Iceland on the Thames panegyrist Brown, my enemiy's enemy... even if an easily misled fool
does anybody care what i-spy thinks?
[info]maradona_786 wrote:
Friday, 1 May 2009 at 06:26 am (UTC)
who cares what blunkett thinks he is yestersays man who did nothing but create a lot of the problems in the labour goverment and the state this country is in
Who would want to be Labour PM now?
[info]westhamsterdam wrote:
Friday, 1 May 2009 at 07:20 am (UTC)
Surely when you've got no hope for the foreseable future what person would actually want to become the leader of the Labour Party? Look how many leaders the Tories have had since 97.

British politics must change from the debacle we have now. We need to do away with this two sided political system. We simply need a more wide ranging polictical base. What's the difference between NeoLab & The Conservatives?
Blair never looks at the whole picture
[info]ronnie250 wrote:
Friday, 1 May 2009 at 07:31 am (UTC)
how can you trust a party that takes crooks back like mandelson or backs vaz's personal views, but its not just labour is it , the cons and the libs all have their sticky hands in the public bucket to make their lives more comfortable . No one in the UK wants us in the EU but you dont listen , instead you sell us further down the river , I really hope the BNP wipe the votes off everyone , and why , they are standing up for ordinary citizens who dont want EU dont want our contracts given to other countries , they dont want us to have pointless ego building wars , and most of all they want our once proud island to be given back to the UK under UK rule . these are all my and other opinions and no doubt i will be smeared as racist and bigotted but really its the people who keep voting the crooks in that are racist !.
The rats abandon the sinking ship
[info]johnsmith007 wrote:
Friday, 1 May 2009 at 07:36 am (UTC)
In the kingdom of the Labour Party the man with one eye is king.
New deal
[info]alan_honiton wrote:
Friday, 1 May 2009 at 07:53 am (UTC)
Perhaps David Cameron may wish to consider, like FDR, adopting 'Happy days are here again' as his campaign song. If ever this nation needed cheering up with a new deal, it is now. But Please!, as a nation could we avoid any further need for 'fresh starts' by not electing any more incompetent and duplicious Labour governments?
Blunkett, keep your head down
[info]ptstroud wrote:
Friday, 1 May 2009 at 08:06 am (UTC)
With Blunkett's pathetic record for honesty or judgement I am amazed that he does not just keep his head down. Surely he is not jockeying for power.
How can they run the country properly
[info]deimosp wrote:
Friday, 1 May 2009 at 08:09 am (UTC)
"Labour MPs had formally been given a free vote on the subject, but were privately warned it amounted to a vote of confidence in the Prime Minister." - if t is a free vote about a specific issue, then why can't MPs vote on that issue rather than have it turned into a "vote this way to avoid embarassment" !! How can people represent the electorate when they are pressured by their own party to use their vote for something completely different (i.e. to avoid making the PM look like a Muppet).
[info]john_levett wrote:
Friday, 1 May 2009 at 08:31 am (UTC)
David Blunkett avoids listing the erosion of freedoms as a cause of the country's disaffection with Labour. But, of course, it was he who introduced the disingenuous ID card and National Database and he who has continued to promote them while acting for one of the firms that stands to benefit. Since then, the Labour Party has introduced ContactPoint, RIPA, e-Borders, camera systems that monitor our every move etc, etc and now they plan to spy on all our e-traffic as well. The police and local authorities have been given every toy in the book in order to intimidate British citizens while troops illegally sent to Iraq have died needlessly for want of basic equipment.

It's not Labours' incompetence that has bothered me, it's not their greed or their milking of the public purse; it's not even the economic black hole that they've put us in although all these things matter. What will stop me voting for them ever again is the fact that they've deserted working people and declared war on all of us: Britain is no longer a fortress, it's a virtual prison and despite all the EU sentiment on here (much of which I can agree with) it's a disgrace that as a British citizen, I am a freer man in mainland Europe than I am in my home country.
A Bit Rich
[info]melker88 wrote:
Friday, 1 May 2009 at 09:16 am (UTC)
A bit rich. I recall that Blunkett had to resign twice from the government front bench due to sleaze. Is politics, the only profession (if you can call it that) where you can show your gross incompetence or venal nature, get sacked from the job and then come back later pontificating and acting as some wise commentator and get the media to report all the rubbish they spout. The hyprocisy and gall of these characters is mind boggling. Where are the true statesmen who act for and put the good of the country as a whole ahead of their own selfish and venal desires and quest for power. Unfortuntately all we see these days especially in this labour government is a bunch of grubby third rate politicians and snake oil salesmen with their snouts in the trough, scrabbling like rats to save their lucrative jobs abd prepared to spin any old lies to do this.
another has-been character with no shame
[info]borderreiver1 wrote:
Friday, 1 May 2009 at 09:18 am (UTC)
You just don't seem to get it Blunkett do you?
Most people apart from of the scum of the earth are just treading water till next year,when they can be rid of the likes of you..the Clown Mc prince of downing street, and all his pantomime characters such as the repellent Harman.

When you eventually come to the end of your life i hope you,and your lick-spittle buddies are conscious enough to reflect on the fact that your only real legacy is one of being truly despised ,items of derision,and resented bitterly for ruining a nation.
BLUNKETT & BROWN BOTH OUT OF TOUCH:
[info]bgarvie wrote:
Friday, 1 May 2009 at 09:30 am (UTC)
The country knows Brown has been a disaster and doesn't need Blunlett to enlighten them. Both have been dysfunctional and both have lost the confidence of the electorate. This is a common thread running through NuLabour. The country has been devastated by their greedy, sleazy policies and needs a General Election. The only sure legacy for new Labour is it will be consigned to the dustbin of history forever.
Has been character etc 2
[info]borderreiver1 wrote:
Friday, 1 May 2009 at 09:33 am (UTC)
Oh and should you happen to have the courage to have someone read the contents of this papers page to you,you might be interested to know that the online petition asking Brown to resign is now over forty thousand - http://petitions.number10.gov.uk/please-go/


Perhaps we are in for a 'night of the long knives for the brown sh*ts ' before too long
Let us have jousting wars.
[info]famulla wrote:
Friday, 1 May 2009 at 10:41 am (UTC)
I want to see the parliament come to recess; the two parties choose the players and go full fledge jousting wars. The winner is the brave one. Reason: We are broke, we have less food, we cannot fees, the hospital is in mess, the prisons filled and the pouring out, the filth in the corners, the roads have 20,000 potholes and we compare these with the USA economy. A lost tribe like the pigmy. The papers scare us in the already wet boots,. QUOTATION OF THE DAY -
"You're always out trying to protect your babies, and when you've got these scary things like this stupid pandemic of swine flu, you kind of want to duct-tape your windows and shut your house off to the world."
- DIANE MCDONALD, of Cold Spring, Minn., after she and her two children grew
ill. It was not the swine flu.
I thank you
Firozali A. Mulla
And what will happen AFTER they lose the election?
[info]old_green wrote:
Friday, 1 May 2009 at 11:01 am (UTC)
The Labour Party won't exist anymore after the election.
That will be the legacy of Blair's (and Kinnock's) 'making the party electable'.

The question is, what will come in its place?

Get used to the type of artificial, constructed, 'rainbow' parties we have seen in some other nations.
place shaping
[info]doomsdaybug wrote:
Friday, 1 May 2009 at 11:05 am (UTC)
The blanket is shaping the space he wants to be in whilst engineering his position for a leadership role, with all the panache of Mark Anthony.
Why is nulabor seemingly deliberately doing everything it can to ensure the development of those conditions that give rise to disorder, social unrest, riots, insurrection and even revolution ?
If the populace should react as being driven, this gives nulabor its excuse to impose a dictatorship - which is, by and large, what we have had for the past several years, with increasing impositions upon the freedoms of citizens.
As for a civil war, it has already happened. An as yet unnamed elite, lawless organisation is actually running the country by stealth, in effect a silent insurrection from within. The control must be total, absolute, and lead top-down from the centre. What and who cannot be controlled must be destroyed by nulabor.
This nulabor cadre has declared war upon it citizens. Government has become the enemy of the state. Last time this happened, heads rolled, literally.
The blanket must believe his time is coming.
We don't want Labour
[info]ffoulkes_aycke wrote:
Friday, 1 May 2009 at 11:28 am (UTC)


It doesn't matter if Labour is Blairite or Brownite,,,,,,just go !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
Always remember that New Labour equals Authoritarianism with a capital A
[info]whostoletyke wrote:
Friday, 1 May 2009 at 11:41 am (UTC)
All the snooping, all the stops and searches, all the puntive threats in government 'information' films ('We will CRUSH your car for the sake of a 200-pound road fund licence...') are all reminiscent of the way former East Germany was run by an 'elected' dictatorship. Although I lived in West Germany as it then was, I travelled occasionally, by road or rail, through East Germany to get to West Berlin in the mid-1970s. By 1979 even the stolid East Germans had finally had enough of their Stasi.

When will we finally have enough of ours?
Re: Blunkett
[info]rendevou5 wrote:
Friday, 1 May 2009 at 12:20 pm (UTC)
Blunkett! Surely, one of the deepest, self-inflicted wounds he's warning NEW Labour about?

This duplicitous, scheming, arrogant, self-serving incompetent had to resign twice from positions he held as a secretary of state!

Anyone, even party devotees, who are prepared to turn up and listen to Blunkett's hypocritocal rubbish, must be certifiable.
[info]rozr wrote:
Friday, 1 May 2009 at 12:39 pm (UTC)
The more bloodbath the better, Mr Blunkett. It is great fun - or would be if at the same time your useless party wasn't also ruining the country. Time the whole lot of you and especially you Communists were out of power. This country has to recover somehow and it won't be achieved by madman "saved the world" Brown and his gang of vengeful spinners, nor by you.

The rest of you Labour people had the chance to control Brown but you allowed him to do as he liked even when he wasn't PM. Then you let him become PM - you must have known what the result would be. You let it happen. A bit late now isn't it to be whingeing? Twelve years too late. Why didn't Blair sack Brown the moment Brown started refusing to do what Blair wanted?

Hoist with your own petard, I'm afraid.
Labour are bad, but the Tories are better
[info]busted_flush wrote:
Friday, 1 May 2009 at 12:48 pm (UTC)
I know Labour have shot themselves in the foot repeatedly, with their neo-con style policies. If only they could be more moderate and more concerned with the average voter's worries.

It's going to be so joyous to welcome the Heir to Blair, and all the wonderful Tory crew back to High Office. I don't know why he just doesn't push Brown aside and set up office at No 10 now. He is practically running the country anyway.

I can't wait for William Hague, Michael Gove, Guido Fawkes to take over. I know this band of blameless, principled guardians of public morals didn't know what they were doing when they voted strongly for the Iraq War. I can see they won't privatise anything that moves. Public services and benefits will be there as a safety net for those who need them. Charities won't take over the growing needs of welfare in this country. Oxfam will not reign supreme in the third sector. There will be no homelessness or soup kitchens here.

There will undoubtedly be no making people pay twice for everything through taxationn and private schemes. They will be putting the GREAT into Great Britain again.- particularly in a recession. They will balance the books, and introduce what's needed for the country. The Conservatives, those band of gentlemanly shysters who will almost undeniably put the the CON back into the word Conservative.

They warned about the banking crisis repeatedly didn't they. I've always heard them say banking and the market economy should be checked. Regulation of this sector is entirely necessary. and there's just some things you shouldn't privatise. Bless Norman Tebbit for his wisdom. Bless them all for the prosperity and Good Fortune they will bring to all. Blow em up ......!!! and as a little reminder of just how joyous they can be - read this ........... http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2009/apr/23/minimum-wage-unemployment-recession
[info]thegangofone wrote:
Friday, 1 May 2009 at 01:24 pm (UTC)
Captain ID cards is talking as though Labour ever listened! The National Conversation was used to improve the listening image and then they straight away tried to push through GM after a consultation process showed 85% of the public were against it.

The Tories and Lib Dems should combine electorally in exchange for a promise of PR (to reduce all of this giant pendulum politics that leads to such arrogance and abuse) and destroy Labour at the next general election.

Iraq, 10p etc etc

What antennae?
Line
[info]grumpyashell wrote:
Friday, 1 May 2009 at 01:39 pm (UTC)
I just love the way politicians like Blunkett say we have to draw a line over this and renew.What they do not understand is they can draw as many lines as they want but to the general public/electorate has had enough,to them they have crossed to many lines and got worse and worse.

Their time is up,time to go.

Good Bye,Good riddence.
The problem...
[info]sobatai wrote:
Friday, 1 May 2009 at 03:54 pm (UTC)
Okay, the Labour Party has never been united, it's been in the grips of a "Cold War" ever since Blair became leader and more especially since gaining office. Both sides (Blairite and Golemite) knew that if one went too far and the other responded, the path was open to mutally assured destruction.
The power-crazed Golem was held in check by the knowledge that to attack Blair would bring destruction upon himself, so time after time he had Ed Balls summon forth the troops for rebellion only to back down with some half-baked compromise.
Now with Blair off the scene and the Golem running amok, it's still going to end in mutually assured destruction.
The Labour party in finished.
HELPFUL?
[info]vhawk1951 wrote:
Friday, 1 May 2009 at 04:20 pm (UTC)
hardly helpful for Blunkett to chuck in this threepence worth, but who cares?- go for it David, sez I
Re: HELPFUL?
[info]sobatai wrote:
Friday, 1 May 2009 at 04:45 pm (UTC)
He probably couldn't see the problems it would cause.
Re: HELPFUL?
[info]vhawk1951 wrote:
Friday, 1 May 2009 at 04:53 pm (UTC)
haha
"Byers was sitting there with a grin on his face..."
[info]kuma2000 wrote:
Friday, 1 May 2009 at 04:50 pm (UTC)
That reminds me of that Stevie Wonder line "Lately I've been looking in the mirror..."

Since Blunkett is a founder member of the Organization to Convince the Public That Politicians are All Blood Sucking Leeches and Crooks he has got a nerve to start talking like this. Aside from Tony Blair and MR Mandelson he is the most eligible MP for a jail cell...
The mayor is coming back.
[info]famulla wrote:
Friday, 1 May 2009 at 05:07 pm (UTC)
Many a time the laughter turns into realty. Bear this and carry on watching. Who knows? The mayor is coming back.Ha ha ha. On the bicycle.
I thank you
Firozali A. Mulla
What Labour stands for
[info]singingbird85 wrote:
Friday, 1 May 2009 at 06:32 pm (UTC)
I don't know what Labour stands for but I know that I can't stand Labour.Get them out,out,out,out.
Splendid
[info]tallbendyman wrote:
Friday, 1 May 2009 at 06:38 pm (UTC)
isn't it?
Deja vu
[info]nigshakespeare wrote:
Friday, 1 May 2009 at 07:51 pm (UTC)
After arguably one of the most incompetent Governments this country has ever had to endure was ousted in 1979, after being subsequently consigned to 18 years in the political wilderness, having to get rid of liabilities like Tony Benn and having to reinvent itself as New Labour it is truly staggering how this Government has created its own car crash of a politcal party. The mendacity, irresponsibility, sleaze, arrogance and complete inability to represent the people because it is so preoccupied with patronising the people is truly unbelievable. And the Labour Party only has itself to blame for its profligate economic policies, the election of a leader in a one-horse race and its odious alienation of the people it is supposed to support. I cannot wait to get to the ballot box and consign this Government and its embarrassment of a leader to the oppostion benches.
Trust?
[info]kodak321 wrote:
Friday, 1 May 2009 at 09:18 pm (UTC)
In the kingdom of the blind, the one eyed man is king....or so they say. Big problem with Blunkett:

1. He's a dirty wee weasel - Politics exclusively.
2. He loves a bit of action on the side.
3. He's blinded by not being able to see what's going on around him. See, hear, hear, see - Good
combination? The guy's a parasite. End.
think he meant brick wall
[info]vhawk1951 wrote:
Friday, 1 May 2009 at 09:27 pm (UTC)
Zanulabour lost the June 2010 election months an months ago long before the recession, so Gollum, like the captain of the Titanic, is accelerating in fog towards a giant iceberg , or wall; I pity his poor party workers , if , which I doubt, he has any left. Let's face it, Labour having abandoned its core values, stands for nothing any more

nowadays it's about as much use as a used condom
Re:cycling
[info]kodak321 wrote:
Friday, 1 May 2009 at 10:25 pm (UTC)
Whoops! Used condoms, recycling? Don't give them ideas.... a share it with your mates campaign could be on the way...love that used condom (primary school), use it or abuse it (secondary), your nicked son (joe public)...careful what ya say...it might just come true.
Soylent Green is a 1973 leads to widespread unemployment and poverty
[info]famulla wrote:
Saturday, 2 May 2009 at 01:27 pm (UTC)
Blunkett: Labour is heading for 'civil war'
Recycling is an insult to the human . See the movie This article is about the film. For the metal band, see Soilent Green. For the German punk band, see Soilent Grün.
Soylent Green is a 1973 dystopian science fiction movie depicting a future in which global warming and overpopulation lead to depleted resources on Earth. This in turn leads to widespread unemployment and poverty. Real fruit, vegetables, and meat are rare, commodities are expensive, and much of the population survives on processed food rations, including "soylent green" wafers.
The film overlays the science fiction and police procedural genres as it depicts the efforts of New York City police detective Robert Thorn (Charlton Heston) and elderly police researcher Sol Roth (Edward G. Robinson) to investigate the brutal murder of a wealthy businessman named William R. Simonson (Joseph Cotten). Thorn and Roth uncover clues which suggest that it is more than simply a bungled burglary
I thank you
Firozali A. Mulla

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