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Government rules out database of emails

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The Government has ruled out a controversial proposal to set up a database to store internet and telephone traffic, saying it prefers to have such information held by private companies.

Home Secretary Jacqui Smith says the data is needed to combat terrorism and other crimes. Critics have called the idea excessive and an infringement of civil liberites.

Home Office research has estimated the proposal would cost up to £2bn to implement.

In a statement, Smith stressed that the information from mobile phones and computers that might be needed would be the "who, when, where and how" of communications and not the content.

"My key priority is to protect the citizens of the UK, and communications data is an essential tool for law enforcement agencies to track murderers and paedophiles, save lives and tackle crime," she added.

"It is essential that the police and other crime-fighting agencies have the tools they need to do their job. However, to be clear, there are absolutely no plans for a single central store."

In nearly all recent major counter-terrorism trials, prosecutors have used data about phone calls as part of their court case against suspects.

Details about where calls were made, to whom and for how long have been used to show links between mobile members and as evidence of preparation for an attack.

The Government still proposes legislating to allow all data that public authorities might need, including that generated overseas but crossing British networks, to be collected and retained by communication service providers (CSPs).

Opposition parties have strongly criticised the idea, saying officials had shown they could not be trusted with people's confidential information after a series of embarrassing data-loss scandals.

Civil rights groups say it would be a massive invasion of privacy.

"The big problem is that the Government has built a culture of surveillance which goes far beyond counter-terrorism and serious crime," said Conservative home affairs spokesman Chris Grayling.

"Too many parts of government have too many powers to snoop on innocent people and that's really got to change."

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Go and get busy improving your deteriorating economy.
[info]djangovsartana wrote:
Monday, 27 April 2009 at 01:33 pm (UTC)
Go and get busy improving your deteriorating economy and stop spying on your own people, Stalin!
Smoke and Mirrors
[info]bishbashbong wrote:
Monday, 27 April 2009 at 02:10 pm (UTC)
"The Government still proposes legislating to allow all data that public authorities might need, including that generated overseas but crossing British networks, to be collected and retained by communication service providers (CSPs). "

And the difference is, what exactly?


"In nearly all recent major counter-terrorism trials, prosecutors have used data about phone calls as part of their court case against suspects. "

She means suspects that are generally released without charge (unless they can come up with some trumped up immigration misdemeanor that is).
they cannot be trusted
[info]garydumbill wrote:
Monday, 27 April 2009 at 02:33 pm (UTC)
25 million records lost in the last 2 years....im worried, bring on the id cards, check this video out-

http://www.vimeo.com/4165434
New Scotland Yard delenda est.
[info]ron_broxted wrote:
Monday, 27 April 2009 at 02:51 pm (UTC)
You will find it is far easier to establish a police state than to dismantle one.
How do we know when the money has REALLY run out?
[info]zansal wrote:
Monday, 27 April 2009 at 02:58 pm (UTC)
New Labour actually cancel a deeply unpopular, technically impossible, potentially illegal, and incredibly costly massive IT and Security Project. That takes real guts to cancel.
Surveillance and Knowledge
[info]rhinocircus wrote:
Monday, 27 April 2009 at 03:44 pm (UTC)
Any assurances from a government source that public liberty and privacy will be protected from unnecessary surveillance is a palpable lie. The creep factor is always at work in this Orwellian world of pragmatism and the end always justifies the means in political minds. "Knowledge is power", went the old maxim--now power requires ultimate/intimate knowledge=ultimate power. I fear for the children of coming generations, who may easily be monitored and controlled through their working lives--and whose success and opportunities may depend on hidden controllers. The ID card will be the supreme device to establish the hierarchy of elites and we know where politicians stand in this scheme.
don't like what it is to be british anymore.
[info]pete_bruffell wrote:
Monday, 27 April 2009 at 03:45 pm (UTC)
welcome to 21st century Britian, where we are all suspects and we are all guilty till proven innocent. thats what a data base will bring, central or not. i'm starting to feel very claustrohpobic amongst the most watched public in the world. come back tories and save us from this fucking sadistic, unelected and interfering labour sham for a government.
Give all our details to private companies? ! thanks Jackie you stupid woman. my only joy from all this is watching you having the begining of a breakdown in public because your fella likes watching porn while you are at work ordring bath plugs. infact, dont go just yet jackie, the longer you stay the more damage you do to your party, and for now that can only be a good thing. lets hope the damage done will be is so immense that your party is wiped off the political map for decades to come at least.
sorry for the rant....as you can tell i'm at the end of my wits with this government...who i never even had a chance to vote against.
Re: don't like what it is to be british anymore.
[info]therealskipper wrote:
Monday, 27 April 2009 at 04:37 pm (UTC)

Pete -

I don't think the problem lies with Jacqui Smith. It lies with Home Office civil servants.

EVERY Labour minister in recent years has turned into a fascist once they were appointed Home Secretary and got inside the Home Office. Many of them have NOT been strong intellectually - our cunning civil servants completely outclass them. The politicians end up agreeing to their 'suggestions', as the politicians aren't clever enough to think of arguments to refute them.
Echelon, GCHQ and the Americans
[info]therealskipper wrote:
Monday, 27 April 2009 at 04:44 pm (UTC)

It's worth bearing in mind that much of what Ms Smith proposes is (probably) being done already, at this minute.

For many years, our guys at GCHQ in Cheltenham have been receiving data downlinked from the massive American intelligence-gathering system known as "Echelon". Although British and American authorities refuse to confirm its existence, the European Commission wrote a report on Echelon a few years ago.

Informed opinion holds that not only the sender and recipient of each email are monitored, but that its content is automatically scanned, in an attempt to detect terrorists, organised criminals, climate protesters, Liberal voters (?) etc.
Is it likely though?
[info]berewic wrote:
Monday, 27 April 2009 at 05:04 pm (UTC)
With the unlikelihood of NuLabour/Labour/LabourRus/NuLabourWasUs being re-elected in the next 40yrs, is this ever likely to happen?
The Devil is in the Details
[info]loingirder wrote:
Monday, 27 April 2009 at 06:24 pm (UTC)
All this does is shift some of the expense and responsibility onto the ISPs. Detailed profiles of our online activities will still be built up (apparently we will all get unique ID numbers). I just wonder if the ISPs will become online police, a role they don't particularly want due to the cost and complexity. Will it mean they will rake over our internet surfing to see if we are up to anything suspicious? The government can happily be claiming to respect our privacy and not be holding our data in a central location while at the same time having complete access to it.

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