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Gurkhas force Brown into yet another retreat

By Andrew Grice and Michael Savage

The actress Joanna Lumley celebrates outside the Houses of Parliament yesterday after the vote to grant equal residence to 36,000 Gurkha veterans

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The actress Joanna Lumley celebrates outside the Houses of Parliament yesterday after the vote to grant equal residence to 36,000 Gurkha veterans

Gordon Brown's authority took another battering yesterday when he suffered his first Commons defeat as Prime Minister amid growing criticism of his leadership by Labour MPs.

In a surprise move, MPs voted by 267 votes to 264 to grant equal residence rights to 36,000 Gurkha veterans – four hours after Mr Brown opposed the move. Some 27 Labour MPs voted against the Government. Last night ministers announced they would respect the Commons decision but said it could cost billions of pounds and may be phased in.

Some senior Labour MPs speculated that Mr Brown could face a "crisis of confidence" if, as expected, the party gets a bloody nose in the council and European Parliament elections on 4 June. "People are starting to ask whether he should lead us into the general election," said one Labour MP. Another added: "We are back to where we were last summer" – when Mr Brown had to see off the threat of a Cabinet-led mutiny.

Even some ministers admitted Mr Brown was making "too many misjudgements." One said the Government looked "out of touch".

Since a successful G20 summit at the start of this month, the Government has been derailed by the resignation of a Brown aide, Damian McBride, over a plot to smear senior Tories, a hostile reaction to last week's Budget and a botched attempt to reform MPs' expenses. Today the Prime Minister faces another test of his credibility when the Commons votes on expenses. Many Labour MPs believe Mr Brown has mishandled the issue and there will be an all-party move to delay a decision until after an independent review of the expenses system reports later this year. That would be seen as a snub to the Prime Minister, who called today's vote but saw his proposed reforms run into strong opposition.

Labour MPs are in an increasingly rebellious mood as Mr Brown's authority appears to wane. They have already forced Mr Brown to abandon his plan to replace the £24,000-a-year "second homes" allowance for MPs with a £150-a-day "clocking in" or attendance payment. Brown aides hope that yesterday's humiliating defeat over the Gurkhas will make a second defeat in two days less likely. They are preparing to argue that he would not be damaged if MPs kick expenses reform into the long grass because the public will know he backed urgent reforms to a system they regard as discredited.

The Government's defeat over the Gurkhas was a coup for Nick Clegg, the Liberal Democrat leader, who has led the campaign at Westminster for the veterans to be allowed to live in Britain and called yesterday's debate.

Although the decision was not binding on the Government, the Immigration minister Phil Woolas told MPs in an emergency statement: "The Government respects the will of the House." But he said allowing all 36,000 to live in Britain could set a precedent for other immigration issues and wider government policy.

Mr Woolas suggested that no Gurkhas would be deported from Britain while the Government conducted a review. It would announce firm proposals before the Commons summer recess starts in July.

One ministerial aide, Stephen Pound, resigned so that he could oppose the Government. "I couldn't look my Gurkha friends in the eye if I wasn't doing everything I can to attempt to match their contribution to our country with our support for them," he said.

Home Office rules announced last week said that Gurkhas who retired before 1997 would only be allowed to stay in the UK if they had served for 20 years, had won bravery medals, or had sustained injuries in combat. The rules provoked outrage among their supporters, who claimed that only 100 of the 36,000 former Gurkhas currently prevented from settling would qualify.

Mr Brown had launched a lengthy defence of the policy during Prime Minister's Questions, arguing that 4,000 former Gurkhas would be allowed into Britain. He warned an open-door approach would cost as much as £1.4bn.

David Cameron, who backed Mr Clegg's move, said after the vote: "The Government now has to act. If they come back to the House of Commons and they haven't produced a proper system to help these people settle in our country, they'll get defeated again."

Mr Brown had tried to head off the defeat by promising that the policy would be reviewed before the summer. Labour backbenchers were also handed a note from the Home Secretary, Jacqui Smith, assuring them that no veterans would be deported in the meantime. But the concessions were not enough to stop 27 Labour MPs voting with the opposition parties, including Keith Vaz, chairman of the Home Affairs Select Committee.

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Desire Katihabwa
[info]desire26 wrote:
Wednesday, 29 April 2009 at 11:39 pm (UTC)
Thank you for this gesture!As a Political refugee who was fortunate to have my Refugee status,and later, my British citizenship,I know what it means to fight for your right to settle in a Country where you can be fulfil your potential,we are Citzens of the World!From Scotland to Sheffield, I have seen Communities organize themselves against immoral decisions of denying stay to people who contribute to the life in the UK.Let us hope that Immigration Laws are not as the ones of President Mugabe type of discrimination, every Citzen,wherever they are,regardless of Race,Relgion or Country of Origin, should have the right to choose they wish to live.
Immigration Review Long Overdue
[info]drcoup wrote:
Thursday, 30 April 2009 at 12:07 am (UTC)
As someone who does not have powerful people and actresses to speak on my behalf. I have taken it on myself to write to the immigration authorities to ask when they will be dealing with my case. Every time they send a standard letter unrelated to my questions. I have been waiting for a decision for 4 years and they will not even commit to when I can get a determination.
Brown is a coward
[info]repton4 wrote:
Thursday, 30 April 2009 at 12:51 am (UTC)
Gordon Brown,Phil Woolas, and 264 Labour MPS do not want the Gurkhas in this country men who have fought and died for this country, But have welcomed with open arms Hate preachers, terroists, murderers, rapists, theives, illegal immigrants, who we can not get rid of because of the criminal rights act Old labour welcomes people who milk the benifits system of a country they openly hate
Gordon Brown, phil Woolasand the 264 labour MPs who voted against the Gurkhas are cowards and are not fit even to clean there shoes, For them it was not about the Gurkhas it was about saving Gordon Brown and the lie-bour party from another humiliating defeat
Re: Brown is a coward
[info]jamesbrett12 wrote:
Thursday, 30 April 2009 at 11:10 am (UTC)
THE GURKHAS WILL WIN:
[info]bgarvie wrote:
Thursday, 30 April 2009 at 03:41 am (UTC)
The Gurkhas having fought for this country have a right to settlement. Brown and his dysfunctional Government will keep getting defeated until they produce an honourable solution. However, they will certainly find support when the Conservatives, supported by the electorate, win the next election.
A vote for justice
[info]49niner wrote:
Thursday, 30 April 2009 at 05:10 am (UTC)
The Gurkhas have served Britain loyally over many years and this vote, quite simply, is a vote for justice. Well done to all those involved in the campaign.
Re: A vote for justice
[info]mike4626 wrote:
Thursday, 30 April 2009 at 06:18 am (UTC)
a deserved victory for the brave Gurkhas - yet another defeat for the cowardly lying Mr Brown
Brown will have to be dragged kicking and screaming from No 10
[info]g_onnads wrote:
Thursday, 30 April 2009 at 05:53 am (UTC)
Brown is still sailing on oblivious to the rocks ahead - he will have to be dragged kicking and screaming from office. He has neither the foresight nor understanding to realise that he is doomed and the Gurkhas have dealt the first blow. We now know there are 246 traitors in the House of Commons, they have no defence.
i hope the goverment show some backbone and stick to there principles the country is full!!!
[info]maradona_786 wrote:
Thursday, 30 April 2009 at 06:55 am (UTC)
what is it with all these people trying to force the ordinary working class like myself to pay for these gurkhas out of my taxes and others who are fed up with the same people who have been harping on about immigration and now where meant to reverse some decision to except the gurkhas and there dependants that could run into a hundred thousand or more i cant get my head round it we paid these mercenaries a wage they signed the contract and new the terms of agreement and now the goal posts are being moved with cameron and the tories in there photoshoot i dont remember the tories ever giveing any notice to them when they were in goverment the country is in a mess and where being taken for a ride again in the global recession we are inour elders and kids need priority the health service and jobless need looking after but no the media and politicians want the goverment and phil woolas to open the door others who got paid to do a job they new what was on the ticket
Re: i hope the goverment show some backbone and stick to there principles the country is full!!!
[info]mcp41 wrote:
Thursday, 30 April 2009 at 07:50 am (UTC)
I gather that what you are suggesting is that if you put your life on the line for this country, serve it with distinction, you are not allowed to live in this country.

Mercenaries there certainly were not, they were members of the british armed forces.

I'm glad that Gordon Brown had to take this humiliating step down. Well done to the MP's from the labour party who voted against the government. Those who did vote for the government should really look themselves in the mirror.
Re: i hope the goverment show some backbone and stick to there principles the country is full!!!
[info]jezburns wrote:
Thursday, 30 April 2009 at 09:10 am (UTC)
I wondered what kind of person would still come out in support of this crooked government. Now I know.
Gurkhas helped Imperialist Rule Britannia murder a million Iraqis over a pack of lies!
[info]djangovsartana wrote:
Thursday, 30 April 2009 at 07:47 am (UTC)
The Gurkhas are creepy & crawlies who helped Rule Britannia murder a million Iraqis over a pack of lies!
They sacrificed their lives in both first and second world wars and were not allowed to even eat tomatos in military canteens like white men did.
And now they are not allowed even a tiny book called British passport.
How humiliating is that?
BUT MIND YOU WE ARE TALKING HERE ABOUT THE NUMBER ONE RACIST BIGGEST COLONIALIST IMPERIALIST COUNTRY IN RECENT HISTORY. THAT IS CALLED RULE BRITANNIA!
Re: Gurkhas helped Imperialist Rule Britannia murder a million Iraqis over a pack of lies!
[info]shirleyrose wrote:
Thursday, 30 April 2009 at 10:17 am (UTC)
I do not know where this person lives, or what his nationality is, and I also bet that he will not tell us. I really think his comments should be removed as abusive
Re: Gurkhas helped Imperialist Rule Britannia murder a million Iraqis over a pack of lies!
[info]nightside242 wrote:
Thursday, 30 April 2009 at 12:28 pm (UTC)
Don't worry, he's just one of the many nutters and conspiracy theorists who seem to be multiplying on these comment sections every day. Just ignore them.
100% Support 4 The Gurkhas
[info]stickytruth2 wrote:
Thursday, 30 April 2009 at 08:03 am (UTC)
These brave men have fought for this country for more than 150 years, along side our troops, WE will NEVER let them down.
So Brown worried about the cost, just look at Nu Labs financial waste going into Billions since Blair and co came to power, and who was in control of UK financial, say no more.
Help put another nail in his coffin
[info]brutalslaphead wrote:
Thursday, 30 April 2009 at 08:13 am (UTC)
The petition asking Gordon Brown to resign is going strong

31000 signatures and growing.

http://petitions.number10.gov.uk/please-go/
Sleeping sub-editors
[info]liam_ohuigin wrote:
Thursday, 30 April 2009 at 08:15 am (UTC)
In the second paragraph of your lead story you can't manage to get the number right: the votes for the government totalled 246, not 264, so the majority was as a very impressive 21, not the narrow squeak you appear to be suggesting.
Parliament defeats the Executive, good.
[info]ptstroud wrote:
Thursday, 30 April 2009 at 08:37 am (UTC)
Firstly the vote was not as reported above. It was 267 ayes against 246 nos a majority against Brown and his cronies of 21, not 3! It was a wonderful, though long overdue example of Parliament defeating the Executive on a matter of principle. Let us hope there will be a few more.
So he will borrow/take billions to save the bankers
[info]deimosp wrote:
Thursday, 30 April 2009 at 08:47 am (UTC)
e.g. Sir Fred's pension, but he wont sort out decent treatment for people wh have given and risk their lives for the UK. His attitude stinks - but to be fair to him is is probably not his attitude but rather is inability to admit any decision me makes is wrong. I suspect that once again he has made a bad decision and rathe rthan admit and reverse it his character means he must continue insisting he is/was right which causes more and more problems for him.

Labour as a part all suffer from poor judgement. The had the opportunity last conference but chickened-out "maybe things will get better". They misjudged their leader and it was always obvious what would happen. If they are going to change it had better be very quick as not long until the next election. as things stand they can easily guess the result. The have everything they need to make a change but I doubt they will have the good sense to do anything.
Numbers Adding Up
[info]rassendyl wrote:
Thursday, 30 April 2009 at 09:07 am (UTC)
Perhaps the Indie could now perform a public service and publish the names of the muppets that voted against Nick Clegg's motion and along with Brown and the Whips. It is, as I have always suspected, that there are over 200 NuLab MPs who are in parliament as spineless, supine lobby fodder. Their constituents should be told who they are. Even after the Law Lord's ruling and this parliamentary defeat, the attitude of the "government" to the Gurkhas is mean spirited, dog-in-the-manger spite. Childish refusal to accept a public rebuke. The PM and his ministers have now assumed the mantle of infalibility - once the claim of the Pope. Seems the Son of the Manse now shares this attribute with the Bishop of Rome.
Re: Numbers Adding Up
[info]jfs wrote:
Thursday, 30 April 2009 at 10:48 am (UTC)
The BBC has this list of Labour MPs who voted with the Lib Dems and the Conservatives:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/8025587.stm

Re: Numbers Adding Up
[info]jfs wrote:
Thursday, 30 April 2009 at 10:51 am (UTC)
If you look on the PublicWhip website, there's a list of votes there too; here's the full votes for the Gurkha bill.

http://www.publicwhip.org.uk/division.php?date=2009-04-29&number=104&display=allvotes

Mr. Brown and action that requires skill or dexterity a planned
[info]famulla wrote:
Thursday, 30 April 2009 at 10:11 am (UTC)
Gordon Brown in retreat after Gurkha a movement or action that requires skill or dexterity a planned movement of one or several military or naval units, a controlled change of course of a vehicle or vessel, maneuvers is in UK papers an action, especially a devious or deceptive one, done to gain advantage one of his little manoeuvres to try to stay in total control
I thank you
Firozali A. Mulla
Ghurkas
[info]ouldbob wrote:
Thursday, 30 April 2009 at 11:20 am (UTC)
Brown is certainly out of touch with the sentiments of the nation. I have a Gurkha pal who struggles desperately to keep body and soul together, and gets absolutely sod-all from the State. We've used him and his comrades, and now all we can do is abuse them. It is a national disgrace.
I wonder if Brown has any pride whatsoever, or is he just another arrogant bully, only there to feather his own nest?
The gurkha veterans
[info]isekhon wrote:
Thursday, 30 April 2009 at 01:04 pm (UTC)
Have you ever been with a more decorated band of soldiers? They have fought for the UK and have shown such dedication and valour that the world has revered their fighting prowess.

And now, that the battle has been won - you deny them the right to be in the country they fought for??

Wake up!! The world needs people with a sense of conscience to understand that these great soldiers are not asking for handouts - just a recognition of their services to UK!!




Re: The gurkha veterans
[info]deimosp wrote:
Thursday, 30 April 2009 at 04:11 pm (UTC)
I think everybody agrees with you - except Brown and Brown is always right. Which leaves us a bit of a problem. Everybody (parliament as well) wants us to do the right thing but Brown knows better and Brown is in charge.
Mercenaries Gets Benefits, Not Citizenship
[info]anonsource wrote:
Thursday, 30 April 2009 at 07:14 pm (UTC)
It seems ludicrous that Britain would contemplate giving residency rights to foreign mercenaries. The only basis for it would be a contractual agreement and there is none historically. Why is it that Gurkas do not accept pensions like other soliders and return to their own country and enable its future? Britain didn't take in its colonials from Hong Kong either. Establishing a colony of foreigners because of paid military service often undertaken for their native land will only create more problems in Britain.

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