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Osborne plans rise in retirement age to 66

Shadow Chancellor finds £130bn savings in pensions bill and pledges to restore link with earnings in 2012

By Andrew Grice, Political Editor

George Osborne plans a new investigation into pensions

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George Osborne plans a new investigation into pensions

People would be forced to work longer before qualifying for the basic state pension under a Tory government to shave £130bn off the deficit in the public finances.

George Osborne, the shadow Chancellor, will announce today that the Tories would raise the state retirement age to 66 in 2016. Labour's policy is to set the retirement age at 66 in 2026, at 67 in 2036 and at 68 in 2046.

The good news for pensioners in the Tory plan is that the money saved would allow a Cameron government to stick to Labour's plan to link the basic pension to earnings from 2012. At present, it rises annually in line with inflation, which goes up by less than earnings.

The proposal to restore the link, broken by Margaret Thatcher in 1980, was in jeopardy because of a public deficit due to reach £175bn this year. But the Tories have decided to ask people to work longer instead of delaying the higher annual rises in the state pension.

Outlining how he would fill the black hole in the public finances, Mr Osborne will tell the Tory conference: "Our aim will be to bring forward the date when the pension age rises. We will ensure that no increase will happen until the second half of the next decade – in the parliament after next. No one who is a pensioner today, or approaching retirement soon, will be affected. But this is how we can afford increasing the basic state pension for all."

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Lord Turner of Ecchinswell, whose inquiry three years ago into pensions led to the Government's plan to raise the state retirement age, has admitted that he would propose a faster rise now. The Tories will order a new investigation if they win the general election to see at what stages the retirement age should be increased. Lord Turner is a leading candidate to update his 2005 report.

The women's pension age, currently 60, will already start to rise by one year every two years from 2010 so that it becomes the same as for men, who qualify for the state pension at 65.

The Tories estimate that asking people to work an extra year would save taxpayers £13bn a year, so bringing forward Labour's timetable by 10 years should save at least £130bn. They argue that life expectancy has increased since the Turner report and that many people want to work past the retirement age. A record 11 per cent of men over 65 are still in work today.

Yesterday Mr Osborne announced that new businesses would get a "national insurance holiday" for the first 10 workers they hire for the first two years of a Tory government. He said the move would create about 60,000 jobs.

He told the Manchester conference: "As well as helping more unemployed people more quickly with our work programme, we also need businesses to create new jobs for them. So we have a bold plan to abolish the tax on jobs created by new businesses for the first two years of a Conservative government."

Employers pay 12.8 per cent of the salary of employees in national insurance. The proposed relief would apply up to the upper earnings limit of about £44,000 a year, saving a small firm with 10 workers earning £25,000 a year up to £25,000 annually. Mr Osborne will spell out how the £250m plan will be funded in his keynote speech today.

David Cameron told the conference he would not adopt a "safety first" approach in the run-up to the general election and wanted to win "a strong and positive mandate" from the voters for public spending cuts. "It is the deficit and not dealing with it that is the most threatening thing to our public services and those who rely on them most," he said.

A poll by ORB for the BBC's Newsnight programme found that 64 per cent of those who intend to support the Tories will do so mainly as a vote against Gordon Brown and Labour's record.

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More study is required
[info]mackname wrote:
Tuesday, 6 October 2009 at 12:46 am (UTC)

Firstly, quite frankly, increasing the rate of National Insurance is a much better idea than increasing age of pension.

Secondly, what do we mean by working at old age? Does it mean full-time or part-time and how many hours it is?
I don’t think that we can generalize working ability (also different working condition) as the same for everyone.

Finally, this policy may cause obstacle for younger generation getting to work, etc.
retirement ages
[info]noalot wrote:
Tuesday, 6 October 2009 at 02:58 am (UTC)
I would like to know just what year are the ages to be the same for men as women.If this was the other way around this would never have been allowed in the first place. To allow this to stay the same for all these years I really think men are the mugs. To work five years longer than women is crazy in these days of so called equality. Have you noticed how women stay very quite on this subject. Women want to be equal with men,but not when it comes to retirement ages.
You just don't get it George.
[info]thisanthat wrote:
Tuesday, 6 October 2009 at 03:22 am (UTC)
The greatest burden on public finances is the bloody immeasurable burden of the Public Sector Pension Pot.
Bring this gravy train on a a par with the way the private sector has to fund its pensions and you will become tangible!!!
Re: You just don't get it George.
[info]drahcir38 wrote:
Tuesday, 6 October 2009 at 08:33 am (UTC)
Listen me old cock sparrow. People joined the Public Sector years ago because (a) they believed in public services (b) they were willing to take, and still are, comparitively smaller salaries than the private sector (no sodding millions bonus for them!) and (c) they knew that at the end of a pretty austere lifestyle they would at least be guaranteed a pension which was linked to what they were earning when they retired. If they had been paid the snout in the trough salaries that you lot have obviously got then I could understand you griping. In the meanwhile, stop bellyaching about something that has little or no effect on the economy and start concentrating on all these bankers who have brought us all to this impossible impasse and who seem still likely to carry on much as they have before, no pension cuts for them then?
No mention of public sector pensions then
[info]tonyexeter wrote:
Tuesday, 6 October 2009 at 06:04 am (UTC)
THe total absence of any mention of public sector pensions is staggering. So those in the private sector will work longer whilst those working for government can continue to retire at 55 on massive pensions funded by the the private sector.
Re: No mention of public sector pensions then
[info]cm999 wrote:
Tuesday, 6 October 2009 at 07:02 am (UTC)
Good public sector workers pay for their pension every month through salary deductions. So why should it suddenly change. The real question is why have private companies stopped giving employees access to decent pensions? You can bet your bottom dollar that they havent cut the entitlement for directors. Have a look through the published accounts of FTSE 100 companies and compare the millions that are awarded to directors in pension contributions and those that the rest of their staff are entitled to.
Re: No mention of public sector pensions then
[info]drahcir38 wrote:
Tuesday, 6 October 2009 at 08:34 am (UTC)
Well said cm999.
Re: No mention of public sector pensions then
[info]john_b_ellis wrote:
Tuesday, 6 October 2009 at 09:48 am (UTC)
Perfectly sound point; but I think many people just don't take it aboard, as previous posts demonstrate.

And I'm not pillorying that reaction - given that we are where we are, thisanthat's and tonyexeter's anger and resentment are reasonable and understandable. When private pension schemes are being wound down left right and centre, and closed to new employees, it's hardly surprising that people working in the private sector look across at what seem to be the favoured ones in national and local government employment and say "Hang on, where's the equity in this - if there's a a financial crisis and a draconian squeeze in consequence, everyone should be sharing the pain".

Human nature being what it is, the people who are victims of a situation not infrequently go for each other more than they go for the people that created it. Back in the Roman Empire, someone described the political equivalent as "divide et impera" - divide and rule!

Realistically, retirement and pension provision in the public and private sectors will have become more equitable, both in fairness and from political necessity. But it IS worth keeping a weather eye to see just how far the mandarins at the very top of the civil service, and the chief executives and heads of departments in local government share the pain. And the directors in private industry and commerce. And, of course, the bankers. Not to mention the MPs, who will doubtless experience a pay freeze but whose expenses may remain more "elastic" than those of the rest of us.

And when the whinny of special pleading is heard in the land, a dollop of public anger, with public and private sector employees uniting in common cause against the pleaders, wouldn't go amiss.
Public spending must be cut but this is inequitable
[info]2barrows wrote:
Tuesday, 6 October 2009 at 09:08 am (UTC)

According to the Council of Mortgage Lenders, there are 11.1 million mortgages in the UK, with loans worth over £1.2 trillion. That is £1,200,000,000,000. For every 0.5% reduction in interest rates, borrowers save £6,000,000,000 in interest. That is £6 billion saved in interest payments per 0.5% change in rates. It would be far more equitable to take that saving (or part of it) as tax from those who are benefitting from artificially low rates of interest, rather than steal a year's pension even though it is a pittance from those who probably really need it (where are the jobs for 65 year-olds now?); have paid contributions for it; have planned for it; and are probably already paying for the financial mess disproportionately because their savings income is reduced. The prudent, as usual, end up paying once, twice, and many times over.
Good idea, bad motives
[info]bobbellinhell wrote:
Tuesday, 6 October 2009 at 09:27 am (UTC)
I don't doubt that the Tories' motives for this are thoroughly evil, but it is not objectionable per se. The average lifespan has increased by much more than 1 year since the retirement age was set at 65. Anyway, if the Tories get back in, no-one will be able to afford to retire till they're about 80 anyway.
No mention of public sector pensions then
[info]the_designer369 wrote:
Tuesday, 6 October 2009 at 09:33 am (UTC)
you two public sector pension apologists are a little bit selective in your choice of examples! I, like most private sector employees have worked all my life for my pension, funded jointly by me and my employer. Sadly for your argument I'm not a multi-million pound per year banker, just an average worker like most of the working population of this country.
Your argument that we're all rich is ludicrous, as is your premise that all public sector workers are saints struggling along on poor salaries for the sake of the country, the only light at the end of the tunnel being the pension! Rubbish! A lot are jobsworths who have a nice cushy time of it....no redundancies and quite a few - police, senior staff, teachers, etc on extremely good wages!

Such employees can also often take early retirement - on a full pension of course that is funded by employee contributions AND the state! If you guys totally funded your pensions you'd be lucky to have the money to buy a loaf of bread a week! So a litle more thought perhaps chaps?
Re: No mention of public sector pensions then
[info]drahcir38 wrote:
Tuesday, 6 October 2009 at 10:21 am (UTC)
Two basic things "the-designer369". Firstly publice service employees cannot retire early on full pension, so lets get that one straight. Secondly, if the public sector has been so cushy for so long why the hell have you been working in the private sector. Let me guess? Not enough salary for you and or not enough kudos. I'll give you an example of a fabulous public service pension. Middle manager responsible for the budget, staff, service users and the use of public money, 26 years service, pension - £9000 per year. Bet you and your banker chums would jump at the chance of a fortune like that! Thought not.
Re: No mention of public sector pensions then
[info]the_designer369 wrote:
Tuesday, 6 October 2009 at 11:25 am (UTC)
Please watch my lips...I'M NOT A BANKER! read my profile name there's a clue there as to what my profession was. I worked 30 years in my final job and my pension is less than the £9000 you quoted for public sector middle management, and my responsibilities were similar.

My ex is a well-paid teacher who with 5 year experience earned more than me with 20 years experience......I'm not complaining, I wouldn't wish to teach, just pointing out that your view of the world of work is somewhat distorted by your rightful dislike of the financial sector.

Why did I stay where I was? Because I enjoyed my work, I love Yorkshire, my kids were happy in the schools here and I had good friends at work. I sure as hell didn't work for the money! So sadly your guess about my profession AND my reason for working in the private sector are both totally wrong, so you'll just have to fall back on your prejudices to argue with me I guess!
Labour or Lavatories = plague or Cholera. The choice is yours.
[info]stanleycorbett wrote:
Tuesday, 6 October 2009 at 09:50 am (UTC)



Surely British people should be fed up with this crap.

Not much of a choice in British democracy? Is there.
Who can spot the diffrence?
[info]cjdobs wrote:
Tuesday, 6 October 2009 at 10:19 am (UTC)
So, pocket dipping Politicians now want us to work longer for their Coffers??

Typical Tory arrogance. Hate the lot of 'em. Oh for a serious Political contender. It looks like out of the frying pan and into the fire if this lot get back in power.
[info]borderreiver1 wrote:
Tuesday, 6 October 2009 at 10:23 am (UTC)
Mr Stanley Corbett we have accord over your opinion.

How can anyone with a brain vote for this labour scum,liberal scum,or tory scum is an absolute perplexity to me.
And now this latest goon on the scene announces a rise in the state pittance age.
Enough angst has been provided across the various newspapers blogs,that it does not require me to add to it except for this-

I shall now be contacting other fifty year olds with a view to taking a class action in the european court citing breach of contract etc should this fools idea reach statute.

Enough is enough of being defrauded,thieved from,and exploited.

No mention of having a go at the banksters eh cameron.
Oh! but you are going to ringfence foreign aid though.
Oh! but you are very concerned about inheritance tax,are you not
Can't have your multi-millionaire associates,and friends paying too much tax can you.

Same old tories-nothing more than a self help group for asset strippers,and the rich.

As much the same verminous scum as new Labour-but worse in some ways.
UK: PENSION WHAT A JOKE
[info]georgesign wrote:
Tuesday, 6 October 2009 at 10:37 am (UTC)
The basic weekly single pension converted to Euros is about 485. The French pensioners were out on the street last week demonstrating about the fact that a person can't live on Euros 800. That's right Euros 800. No wonder the French think the UK is a second rate country.
Re: UK: PENSION WHAT A JOKE
[info]georgesign wrote:
Tuesday, 6 October 2009 at 10:50 am (UTC)
OOPS! Should have said Month not Week. Sorry
[info]borderreiver1 wrote:
Tuesday, 6 October 2009 at 10:56 am (UTC)
Re:Georgesighn,

"no wonder the french think the UK is a second rate country"

I have to take issue,and disagree with that idea.

The UK is not second rate....it is a fourth rate shit-pit.




Great S*itain
[info]borderreiver1 wrote:
Tuesday, 6 October 2009 at 10:57 am (UTC)
Re:Georgesighn,

"no wonder the french think the UK is a second rate country"

I have to take issue,and disagree with that idea.

The UK is not second rate....it is a fourth rate shit-pit.




David Cameron retreats on raising retirement age
[info]revelstoke wrote:
Tuesday, 6 October 2009 at 11:26 am (UTC)
I think you will find Cameron has retreated on this.All mouth no trousers
WHO SAID? WHO HEARD? THAT IS THE QUESTION COMMERDS
[info]famulla wrote:
Tuesday, 6 October 2009 at 02:35 pm (UTC)
SKY.COM had a very good comment and I want to add mine. There was nothing new except the small pause, clap, clap, some were sleeping . Am I telling you this See sky.com video, of course now they are bored and gone!!!!!
Oil has meandered near the $70 a barrel level for months as traders struggle to gauge how strongly the U.S. economy will recover.
He ought to have based his speech after this . All would have wondered as to his updates news and listen. Now NO.
What do China, India, Brazil, Russia, France and Germany have in common? These countries most often can?t agree on anything. But they are united in one strange?and ominous?way. They blame the United States for wrecking the global economy. And they think the dollar is the wrecking ball. Iran's President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad has ordered the replacement of the US dollar by the euro in calculating the value of the country's Oil Stabilisation Fund (OSF).
You see everyone is looking at the free ride. Obama has the dollars going to the forest as the Middle East dumps the $ and, oh well it is a long story, but I loved the speech of the.. A Tory government would freeze the pay of any public sector worker earning over £18,000 for one year, George Osborne has announced.
Osborne is unhappy about the Government's announcement on public sector pay. Damn (transitive verb in Christian belief, to condemn somebody to hell or to eternal punishment) it who is happy?
The shadow chancellor's announcement, which will not apply to the military, is a tougher measure than the Government's, which only bans pay rises for high earning civil servants.
"What the Government announced yesterday will not be enough. It covers less than a fifth of the public sector workforce," Mr Osborne said. Conservatives at 12.noon and the speaker George Osborne "Nor of course would anyone want to include those risking their lives for this country in Afghanistan - we owe them so much more."
"I have given you a fair warning."
I had a good laugh believe me. He talks of change. Why all want to change? He said my sons going to etc. Am I interested in his kids?
No. It is not usage of long words break the handwriting of the short hand ones to catch up with the speed and then we have fat instead of fart.
It is called KISS no not smooching it is Keep It Simple Stupid.
Have you heard Abraham Lincoln? He was the speaker of all the times and I love his speeches he is great.
I was watching with the greatest interred (to bury the remains of a corpse in a grave or tomb) eyes on LONDON - French President Nicolas Sarkozy has continued the tradition of adding the ?oomph? factor in his government. Nicolas Sarkozy (53) knows that his wife, model and singer Carla Bruni, can be an exhibitionist and he doesn't mind in the least.
Call what you want they have the muscle power "God is subtle but he is not malicious." - Albert Einstein "God is subtle but he is not malicious." - Albert Einstein I have to repeat this at times just in case he does not hear.
Now that is a technical TV. When you get engrossed in it. Speakers ? No.
Devout believers are safeguarded in a high degree against the risk of certain neurotic illnesses; their acceptance of the universal neurosis spares them the task of building a personal one.
-- Sigmund Freud
I thank you
Firozali A. Mulla

[info]herbtibb wrote:
Thursday, 8 October 2009 at 08:48 am (UTC)
So if I dont put lots of money into savings im going to be screwed - but the real problem is that I can't afford to because I don't earn enough!?

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