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Tories accused of hypocrisy as they seek the gay vote

Party's proposed 'blueprint for the family' signals a return to Back to Basics policies, critics claim

By Jane Merrick, Political Editor

David Cameron says that the Tories will include civil partnerships when giving tax breaks to married couples

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David Cameron says that the Tories will include civil partnerships when giving tax breaks to married couples

A row over homophobia in politics escalated last night as the Conservative leader, David Cameron, was accused of pushing "Victorian values" on to the 21st-century concept of the family.

Harriet Harman, Labour's deputy leader, accused the Tories of "hypocritical moralising" for putting forward plans to support traditional family values and make divorce more difficult.

A bitter debate about which political party has the right to claim the "pink vote" overshadowed Gay Pride yesterday, when up to a million people marched through the capital.

Ed Balls, the Schools Secretary, stoked the row by criticising the "fierce opposition" to gay rights legislation by the Conservatives in Parliament, even though Mr Cameron has backed some of the measures. He became the fifth minister to claim that Labour was winning the battle for Britain's three million gay votes by declaring that the Government had led the way on overturning homophobic legislation such as Section 28.

His remarks came as it emerged that the Conservatives are considering a raft of "family values" policies which critics said had echoes of the ill-fated "Back to Basics" campaign of the John Major government.

A review by the former leader Iain Duncan Smith on behalf of Mr Cameron, hailed as a "Tory blueprint for the family", proposed tax breaks for married couples and laws to make divorce more difficult.

Ms Harman, who is also Equalities Minister, told The Independent on Sunday: "Families won't want to be lectured by anybody, whether in the Cabinet or the shadow Cabinet, about how to lead their lives, especially as politicians haven't proved themselves more likely to stay married than the rest of the population.

"Practical help is what is needed for families, not hypocritical moralising."

On the issue of allegations of homophobia in politics, Ms Harman said: "I would be more than happy for the question of gay rights to be not a political issue at all. No one wants to see prejudice in schools and children being homophobically bullied. But there is still a drag anchor in the Tory party which has not changed."

Mr Duncan Smith's plans did not appear to cover same-sex civil partnerships. However, Mr Cameron has indicated that an existing Tory commitment for tax breaks for married couples will cover gay marriages.

The Liberal Democrat leader Nick Clegg said last night: " On a weekend where they are trying to be the great friends of the gay community, the Tories are also trying to be the great advocates of the traditional Victorian family values. This is not so much Back to Basics, more them trying to have their cake and eating it."

Denis MacShane, the Labour former minister, said: "David Cameron has a real problem with modern relationships as he panders to those who want to imprison women in loveless marriages by making divorce more difficult while claiming he is pro-gay.

"Cameron is getting into bed with gay-bashing European parties in the European Parliament while saying he is pro-gay in Notting Hill. He wants to appease his traditional right and hope no one notices his forked tongue. It is undignified politics."

The row began last week when Mr Cameron apologised for his party's introduction of Section 28, the law that banned the promotion of homosexuality in schools, sparking criticism from two gay ministers.

Ben Bradshaw, the Culture Secretary, triggered controversy by saying that a "deep strain of homophobia still exists on the Conservative benches", while the Foreign Office minister Chris Bryant said: "If gays vote Tory, they will rue the day very soon."

The Tory leader voted in 2003 for the retention of Section 28, but has voted in favour of other gay rights legislation. Angela Eagle, the Pensions minister, said he was one of only 29 Tories to vote in favour of equality in goods and services.

Alan Duncan, one of two openly gay members of the shadow Cabinet, said yesterday that the comments by Mr Bradshaw and Mr Bryant were "scurrilous".

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LABOUR'S LEGACY OF DESPAIR:
[info]bgarvie wrote:
Sunday, 5 July 2009 at 05:43 am (UTC)
Self-opinionated MacShane and pathetic Harmon are two characters who cannot be trusted. As a pathetic former MEP, MacShane was and remains economical with the truth and selective in his choice of comments. These dubious comments together with those from hypocritical Harman, produce or try to create twisted views of social engineering. They are like broken records that create poor impressions and exacerbate homophobic views where they don't exist. They exacerbate the situation rather than achieving satisfactory resolution.
Hysteria
[info]over325one wrote:
Sunday, 5 July 2009 at 05:56 am (UTC)
Can anyone tell me why we need gay bars, gay parades etc. Why don't we have a gay army division or a gay navy ship? Why cannot people get quietly on with their lives. We can all recognise that homosexuals exist. Gay used to mean being happy now it's becoming rather depressive.
Re: Hysteria
[info]robertclondon wrote:
Sunday, 5 July 2009 at 09:40 am (UTC)
Can anyone tell me why we need gay bars, gay parades etc?

Well, for those who know nothing about the history of gay rights, before we organised these things, people could pretend we didn't exist and we were forced to cower in the shadows. When I first started to go to gay bars, they had to have their windows boarded up, in case they got broken.

Enforced invisibility is the best way of denying people their human rights and marginalising them - just look at how many muslim women are forced to wear burkhas as a means of suppressing their existence.
Re: Hysteria
[info]vhawk1951 wrote:
Sunday, 5 July 2009 at 03:02 pm (UTC)
"we" don't
Hypocracy
[info]sjkillman wrote:
Sunday, 5 July 2009 at 06:37 am (UTC)
Bgarvie and over325one are spot on. Why do politicians think they have to promote different interest groups at the expense of others - Gay Pride, black singers awards, I believe there is even a separate black organisation in the police force - would society tolerate a white singers award, or a heterosexual Pride march? Surely these days, we can all be judged on our morality and principles as seen through our actual behaviour towards others rather than sexual orientation and colour? The fact that politicians are engaging in this kind of activity smacks of hypocrisy as they are merely trying to up their proportion of the votes.
Re: HYPOCRISY (SPELLING!)
[info]robertclondon wrote:
Sunday, 5 July 2009 at 09:49 am (UTC)
If heterosexuals were beaten up, murdered, sacked, told they were evil etc. just because of their sexual orientation, then yes, they should be given some support and recognition to overcome this. Why not? We pay taxes too, you know.

As for this ridiculous "heterosexual pride march" argument, what on earth are weddings or "family fun days" then? I have just been on a picnic at a local National Trust property with my brother and his family and it was packed out with young families with kids. Many of them were driving cars with absurd "Baby on Board!" stickers (whatever that is meant to communicate - "Oh I won't crash into you then...") That looks suspiciously like a "heterosexual pride day" to me.
(no subject) - [info]errol888flynn - Sunday, 5 July 2009 at 11:09 am (UTC) Expand
Re: HYPOCRISY (SPELLING!) -- Divide & Rule - [info]vhawk1951 - Sunday, 5 July 2009 at 11:39 am (UTC) Expand
Re: HYPOCRISY (SPELLING!) -- Divide & Rule - [info]richardm30 - Sunday, 5 July 2009 at 02:29 pm (UTC) Expand
Re: HYPOCRISY (SPELLING!) -- Divide & Rule - [info]vhawk1951 - Sunday, 5 July 2009 at 02:36 pm (UTC) Expand
Re: HYPOCRISY (SPELLING!) -- Divide & Rule - [info]sportingmac - Sunday, 5 July 2009 at 09:45 pm (UTC) Expand
Re: HYPOCRISY
[info]sjkillman wrote:
Sunday, 5 July 2009 at 02:34 pm (UTC)
What a ridiculous argument - family fun days include brothers and sisters who may well be gay, nobody is particularly interested. The point of the day is to give everyone a bit of fun especially the kids. When you accept yourself for what you are without broadcasting it - 'in your face' - you will be truly comfortable in your own skin.
Re: HYPOCRISY - [info]robertclondon - Sunday, 5 July 2009 at 04:10 pm (UTC) Expand
Re: HYPOCRISY - [info]sjkillman - Sunday, 5 July 2009 at 04:47 pm (UTC) Expand
Re: HYPOCRISY - [info]robertclondon - Sunday, 5 July 2009 at 05:08 pm (UTC) Expand
Re: HYPOCRISY - [info]sjkillman - Sunday, 5 July 2009 at 06:26 pm (UTC) Expand
Re: HYPOCRISY - [info]robertclondon - Sunday, 5 July 2009 at 06:38 pm (UTC) Expand
Re: HYPOCRISY - [info]sportingmac - Sunday, 5 July 2009 at 09:46 pm (UTC) Expand
Re: HYPOCRISY - [info]robertclondon - Sunday, 5 July 2009 at 09:54 pm (UTC) Expand
Re: HYPOCRISY - [info]sportingmac - Monday, 6 July 2009 at 06:15 am (UTC) Expand
Re: HYPOCRISY - [info]robertclondon - Monday, 6 July 2009 at 09:23 am (UTC) Expand
Re: HYPOCRISY - [info]sportingmac - Monday, 6 July 2009 at 10:19 am (UTC) Expand
Re: Hypocracy
[info]pokerknave wrote:
Sunday, 5 July 2009 at 12:03 pm (UTC)
The Black Police association is not restricted to black people. There is a white music group its called classical music. when was the last time you saw ancient chinese, indian or african music preformed and awarded?

It is not hypocrisy to fight discrimination
Re: Hypocrisy
[info]sjkillman wrote:
Sunday, 5 July 2009 at 02:24 pm (UTC)
Why call it the Black Police association then? There is no mention of the word 'white' in the classical music awards. Ancient Chinese, Indian, or African music (all with capital initial letters ie proper nouns) is a minority taste and down to cultural preferences not the deliberate segretation of whites from blacks.
Re: Hypocrisy - [info]pokerknave - Sunday, 5 July 2009 at 06:43 pm (UTC) Expand
Re: Hypocrisy - [info]sjkillman - Monday, 6 July 2009 at 01:53 am (UTC) Expand
Re: Hypocrisy - [info]pokerknave - Monday, 6 July 2009 at 04:10 am (UTC) Expand
Re: Hypocrisy - [info]sjkillman - Monday, 6 July 2009 at 07:14 am (UTC) Expand
Re: Hypocrisy [Adolescent World View] - [info]errol888flynn - Monday, 6 July 2009 at 06:38 am (UTC) Expand
Re: Hypocrisy [Adolescent World View] - [info]pokerknave - Monday, 6 July 2009 at 09:11 am (UTC) Expand
Re: Hypocrisy [Adolescent World View] - [info]errol888flynn - Monday, 6 July 2009 at 11:16 am (UTC) Expand
Re: Hypocrisy [Adolescent World View] - [info]pokerknave - Tuesday, 7 July 2009 at 04:39 am (UTC) Expand
Re: Hypocrisy [Adolescent World View] - [info]errol888flynn - Tuesday, 7 July 2009 at 05:59 am (UTC) Expand
hypocrisy
[info]chiennoir wrote:
Sunday, 5 July 2009 at 06:54 am (UTC)
sjkillman "The fact that politicians are engaging in this kind of activity smacks of hypocrisy as they are merely trying to up their proportion of the votes." - But that's the very essence of politics, isn't it?
Re: hypocrisy
[info]errol888flynn wrote:
Sunday, 5 July 2009 at 07:58 am (UTC)
A Conservative Government is an organized hypocrisy.
--Benjamin Disraeli

My objection to Liberalism is this that it is the introduction into the practical business of life of the highest kind namely, politics of philosophical ideas instead of political principles.
--Benjamin Disraeli

The world is weary of statesmen whom democracy has degraded into politicians.
--Benjamin Disraeli

There is no act of treachery or meanness of which a political party is not capable; for in politics there is no honour.
--Benjamin Disraeli
Re: hypocrisy
[info]sjkillman wrote:
Sunday, 5 July 2009 at 02:26 pm (UTC)
I suppose so - but one would prefer argument rather than cynical touting for business.
(no subject) - [info]neil639 - Sunday, 5 July 2009 at 07:56 am (UTC)
Re: Tories Hate Homosexuals
[info]errol888flynn wrote:
Sunday, 5 July 2009 at 08:01 am (UTC)
I accuse you of publishing Hate Speech ... and of using "the tolerance of homosexuality" as a pernicious yardstick for measuring wisdom and maturity.
Re: Tories Hate Homosexuals
[info]neil639 wrote:
Sunday, 5 July 2009 at 07:57 am (UTC)
Forgot to mention - apart, that is, from the Tories who are homosexuals themselves.
WHO CAwho cares?
[info]vhawk1951 wrote:
Sunday, 5 July 2009 at 09:37 am (UTC)
who gives a toss how homosexualists vote or what they think if they ever get time to in the midst of abnormal practice sand general self-obsession?
vhawk
[info]kodak321 wrote:
Sunday, 5 July 2009 at 04:16 pm (UTC)
You are not a happy bunny....what's troubling you?
vhawk1951!
[info]bobdog1212 wrote:
Sunday, 5 July 2009 at 04:24 pm (UTC)
why do we upset you so much man?
Don't make it compulsory
[info]ptstroud wrote:
Sunday, 5 July 2009 at 04:55 pm (UTC)
Personally I could not care a jot what the Tory Party thinks about homosexuality: providing, of course they do not make the gay life style compulsory.

However, I cannor understand why homosexuality either malle or female is called gay. People like Ben Bradshaw seems pretty miserable to me.
Re: Don't make it compulsory
[info]robertclondon wrote:
Sunday, 5 July 2009 at 05:01 pm (UTC)
How effing ridiculous. You can't MAKE people gay. They either are or they aren't. And another thing. It is not a "lifestyle". It is who you are. A lifestyle is about choosing to buy a sofa from IKEA or from John Lewis.

And, frankly, I've met loads of miserable heterosexual people as well.
Re: Don't make it compulsory
[info]gaolhouse wrote:
Sunday, 5 July 2009 at 08:13 pm (UTC)
Actually, I disagree. To perform a amusing skit, tell a joke, read a story, a special event can make people gay. As in carefree, happy, or bright and showy.

Gay is a word that has, in a way become hijacked, to refer to the Homosexual community or person in a derogitory term.

If you are homosexual, use the word that describes you, and be proud of that word, as you say you are of yourselves and your sexuality. Do not hide behind a word of derision.

As for not turning people into homosexuals, there was a U.S study in the late 90's regarding the incarceration of prisoners in maximum security, and it emerged that many of those hetrosexual inmates who had served predominantly long sentences (15 years +) resorted to homosexual relationships, and after leaving prison they continued this form of sexual path.

So not a case of Bi-sexuality, where the person can be happy with sex of either gender, but a seemingly full reversal of the hetrosexual behaviour.

Inshallah wisdom will prevail in all your lives.
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Politicians
[info]chiennoir wrote:
Sunday, 5 July 2009 at 05:50 pm (UTC)
sjkillman - Have you ever listened to a politician 'argue'? They never answer questions directly. Either they skirt round the question and are evasive, or they answer a completely different question. Macbeth I believe is the greatest political essay ever written. The thing is not to be thus but safely thus and there is not a politician who doesn't abide by that maxim. And you can't be safely thus by telling the truth.
Re: Don't make it compulsory
[info]kodak321 wrote:
Sunday, 5 July 2009 at 08:59 pm (UTC)
gaolhouse, interesting...your pseudonym tells its own tale...gaol is an old English word for Jail.....did the Jailhouse 'rock' for you? Tell us more... is there something you're hiding....hope not...Inshallah...
Re: Don't make it compulsory
[info]gaolhouse wrote:
Monday, 6 July 2009 at 12:23 am (UTC)
Sexuality has nothing to do with intelligent thinking, unless you may be trying to get into her undergarments.

I did not know my name was so unique, it is the way i ahve been used to spelling it.

No i have never committed a crime.

To put personal details on line leads to many nasty people leaving hateful messages.

I hope you understand.

Inshallah truth will speak loudly.
Re: Don't make it compulsory - [info]nico_london - Monday, 6 July 2009 at 09:43 am (UTC) Expand

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