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Tories believe Brown will go to the country in March

Economic figures may mean that early election suits Prime Minister

By Andrew Grice, Political Editor

David Cameron will target Gordon Brown's handling of public finances

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David Cameron will target Gordon Brown's handling of public finances

Senior conservatives believe that Gordon Brown may call a general election next March to head off the prospect of bad economic statistics scuppering his claim that he had guided Britain safely out of recession.

The economy is expected to start to grow in the final three months of this year, with the official figures due to be released in January. But if that growth is not maintained when figures for the first quarter of 2010 are issued in April, that would deal a devastating blow to the Prime Minister.

"There is a real possibility that, after one quarter of growth, Britain slips backwards," said one Tory frontbencher. "If that happened, there would be fears about a double-dip recession. It would blow Brown's credentials as the man who steered us through the storm out of the water."

The Government suffered a setback last month when the Office for National Statistics said the economy contracted by 0.4 per cent in the third quarter of this year, confounding City expectations that the country had already emerged from recession. The figure may be revised in statistics to be published today.

Shadow Cabinet ministers are actively discussing Mr Brown's election options. Although several still expect him to hang on until 6 May, when local elections are due to be held, a growing number suspect that he might opt for earlier.

A senior Tory official said: "We are not on red alert for March but it is certainly true that we don't rule it out. We will be ready whenever it comes."

Last night senior Labour sources discounted the possibility of a March election. The party's officials have a working assumption of 6 May but do not rule out an April poll.

One argument in favour of an early election is it would be before tax rises due to take effect in April – including a higher 50p top rate on earnings over £150,000. But one possible downside for Labour is that it would almost certainly prevent a Budget being held in the run-up to the election.

Under the fiscal stability code for which Mr Brown legislated in 1998, there must be a gap of at least three months between the pre-Budget report and the Budget. The Chancellor, Alistair Darling, will present his PBR on 9 December, so the Budget could not be held until 9 March, preventing a 25 March election being announced at the start of the month.

With a huge black hole in the public finances to be filled, the prospects of a giveaway eve of election Budget would be limited – although Labour might not want to give up the option of a few headline-grabbing "goodies".

If an election is called without a Budget being held, the Tories plan to accuse Labour of "running scared" and trying to "hide the truth" about the state of the economy.

Tory election planners are also discussing how to neuter the impact of Mr Brown's appearances on the world stage in the run-up to the election. He will attend next month's Copenhagen summit on climate change and plans to host an international conference on Afghanistan in January and an international investment conference in London in February. He will attend a Washington summit on nuclear disarmament called by President Barack Obama in March ahead of a review of the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty.

This week senior Tories are making a series of announcements on the environment in an attempt to stop the Prime Minister monopolising the issue.

The shadow Foreign Secretary, William Hague, will argue that climate change is an urgent security concern as well as an environmental one.

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It will make no difference when it is.
[info]dave1234567890 wrote:
Wednesday, 25 November 2009 at 12:54 am (UTC)
The result will be the same whenever the election is. Brown can run but he cannot hide. The election is coming and so is Brown's humiliation. For the sake of the country the quicker the better.
Nobody is fooled by him hosting various international events in the run up, presumably hoping the exposure plays in his favour. I would guess every time he appears on TV he loses another few thousand votes.
Re: It will make no difference when it is.
[info]49niner wrote:
Wednesday, 25 November 2009 at 06:12 am (UTC)
Brown may well lose but I'm not convinced the Tories' prospects are as good as some would have it. And really, whoever comes into government post-election will pick up a poisoned chalice. Like 1992, this may well be a good election to lose.

As I have said for a long time I have no faith in either Tweedledum or Tweedledee. Getting on to a third of the voting public looks likely to agree with me and vote for other alternatives. A hung Parliament is a distinct possibility and then life might get a little more interesting.
Re: It will make no difference when it is.
[info]dave1234567890 wrote:
Wednesday, 25 November 2009 at 08:51 pm (UTC)
I couldn't agree more although I desperately want to see the back of Brown and Labour, it could well be a good election to lose. I don't think the electorate realise just what a mess the public finances are in and do not realise just how deep will have to be the cuts in public services and how large the tax increases will have to be in the next 10 years. The financial position when you study what is actually required is truly horrific. I think when the historians look back over the last few years they will be staggered at just what Brown has done and the debt he has knocked up. I just hope people do not forget who was in charge when this happened.
Incidentally I notice that the governor of the B of E, is now saying that halving the debt in 4 years will not be enough to protect our credit rating.It will be interesting to see how Brown responds to this latest direct challenge, because he clearly does not want to cut in 2010, or at least for election purposes , says he doesn't.
Happy days, not!!
Re: It will make no difference when it is.
[info]vhawk1951 wrote:
Thursday, 26 November 2009 at 11:01 pm (UTC)
what will happen will happen, but I'll watch the odds , never having met a poor bookie- you can get 26/1 against Labour just now and a good price on NOM- no overall majority

either way Gobbo has had his chips there never was PM as unpopular as him
(no subject) - [info]elivebuyttu - Wednesday, 25 November 2009 at 12:16 pm (UTC) Expand
The Country...
[info]thisanthat wrote:
Wednesday, 25 November 2009 at 03:58 am (UTC)
is well and truly goosed. No matter who wins the election life in the UK is going to be very difficult for many generations to come
Re: The Country...
[info]zugzwang44 wrote:
Wednesday, 25 November 2009 at 06:55 pm (UTC)

Never mind, you will still be able to buy UGGG boots at bargain prices...
Regardless
[info]dolanp1 wrote:
Wednesday, 25 November 2009 at 05:45 am (UTC)
Regardless when the elections are held the country as a whole are bound to lose out whichever of the main parties achieves power, New Labour will continue to spend as though the banking crisis never happened and with the Conservatives it will do again what Thatcher did to the country and run our country further into the ground so that the only money the government spends is on the political classes who have become used now to just dipping into the public purse when they feel a bit short.
Become Cromwell help clear Parliamenty of these corrupt MP's
[info]fwdinsight wrote:
Wednesday, 25 November 2009 at 06:25 am (UTC)
We need another Cromwell to clear Parliamen, ion the absence of such a figure then vote for any party other than the LibLabCons.
The reason why the Tories have slid backwards is very clear. Straight after their announcement that they threw away their cast iron guarantee saying the now would not hold a Referendum on the EU as promised many like me started looking around for new parties. They shafted us over Maastricht and as an opposition never once asked about the huge corruption in the EU. After the expenses scandal I think we need a God fearing man like Cromwell to clear this parliament of as many LibLabCon MP's so that other parties can have a say.
Under the circumstances I hope we can for once the British people vote with their heads not with their gut reaction of my father and I am Labour, Liberal or Conservative. For the good of Britain we need men who believe in Britain and are not get voted in on false promises only to find that they follow a party line contrary to British interests. My I Point out Browns false promise of British Jobs for British people. Our present MP’s are pro the corrupt EU where according to the auditors up to 95% of the EU budget amounting to Trillions over 14 years is Unaccounted for/missing. As a consequence they have refused to sign off the books over this time. One Conservative back bencher got up and asked the PM about the corruption, and the Mr Browns reply was “there we are wanting the old ways2 Yes Mr Brown of course we want the old ways, we yearn for them. We want to stop the galactic corruption and theft which were considered a criminal an sacking and resigning offences. We are sick of this once great nations assets built up over centuries being constantly sold off to foreigners to balance the budget. We want our great industries back. We want our fishing grounds back. We want our country back. Vote for any party other than the LibLabCon group. Be a Cromwell help us clear parliament of these corrupted men.
Re: Become Cromwell help clear Parliamenty of these corrupt MP's
[info]bliardetector wrote:
Wednesday, 25 November 2009 at 12:09 pm (UTC)
Absolutely agree, and the parallels with Cromwell's time are highly appropriate. Brace yourselves for a barrage of propaganda from the LibLabCON tricksters in the run-up to the election, and ignore the lot of them. They will use fear-mongering tactics like we've never seen before, but fear has always been the lever with which successful tyrants seek to control their populace, and we are getting neaerer and nearer to living under tyranny. You have a unique opportunity to influence events. Vote as you wish, but under NO circumstances vote for the LibLabCON party.
Only possible solution
[info]jeanshaw wrote:
Wednesday, 25 November 2009 at 06:44 am (UTC)
The Lib/Lab/Con coalition have been running this country for the last 20 years and no matter who gets the biggest number of MPs ,even a majority, nothing will change. We need to have radical change which means voting for smaller parties. UKIP have an excellent raft of policies but their main selling point is that by leaving the EU we will save billions of pounds every year which will enable us to reduce our deficit far more quickly than we would otherwise do . If the alternatives are vote for Lib/Lab/Con and keep the status quo which means savage cuts in in Govenment spend/increase taxes or vote for UKIP anbd save between £50 and £100 bilion per year commonsense dictates only one answer - Vote UKIP
Re: Only possible solution
[info]xoixoi1 wrote:
Wednesday, 25 November 2009 at 07:28 am (UTC)
UKIP do indeed have some novel ideas and radical plans for the British economy. However, even after the horrible events in the economy in the last two years, I don't think the British people are going to vote UKIP in droves. We don't like revolutions in this country.

The comments here in general are right. Its going to be the same old same old. Pity really.
CAMERON MUST WORK HARDER:
[info]bgarvie wrote:
Wednesday, 25 November 2009 at 07:09 am (UTC)
The sooner the General Election is called the better. In the meantime, Cameron must work and fight for every vote. It is not 'in the bag' by a long way.
Re: CAMERON MUST WORK HARDER:
[info]zugzwang44 wrote:
Wednesday, 25 November 2009 at 07:15 pm (UTC)


Ah !
Brown
[info]arclight99 wrote:
Wednesday, 25 November 2009 at 10:19 am (UTC)

There is no evidence that Brown has steared us through anything. What he did do through his
negligence in failing to regulate the City was help create the global financial crisis, and to expose Britain to far more of that global financial crisis than any of our major neighbours, most of which are already on the way back.

The Blair-Brown-Mandelson government will go down in history as the most destructive, dishonest, corrupt and wretched in Britain's history. It will a future metaphor for bad government, broken promises, mountainous debt, and economic ruin.
Re: Brown
[info]zugzwang44 wrote:
Wednesday, 25 November 2009 at 06:51 pm (UTC)


Could not have put it better myself, but tell that to the party hacks that infest this and other pages.

It is a lot easier blogging here than knocking on doors these days.. I can't wait for them to come knocking on mine 99...
ROLL-UP! ROLL-UP! MUG VOTERS
[info]sidsnot wrote:
Wednesday, 25 November 2009 at 02:17 pm (UTC)
Roll-up! Roll-up! mug voters. Put your little cross on a piece of paper. The same lot always get-in: they just look different. All the big decisions are never made by asking the "people". Some of the more mentally challenged amongst us even think they are voting for the someone who will exercise power on our behalf.
Time for a Government that understands money and that isn't Labour
[info]rozr wrote:
Wednesday, 25 November 2009 at 02:49 pm (UTC)
Even an hour from now couldn't be soon enough to get rid of Brown and Labour, hopefully for ever.

We are in the same situation as 1979 with a dead-end useless Labour Govt in hopeless debt (as usual) and whoever follows them will as Mrs Thatcher did be faced with a country in turmoil and a shocking mess of debt. When on earth will voters in this country stop voting for Labour which seems incapable of understanding that money comes from somewhere (ie hardworking taxpayers), it doesn't materialise out of thin air.
April Fool's day will be early in 2010
[info]bogbrush2 wrote:
Wednesday, 25 November 2009 at 04:49 pm (UTC)
LibLabCon = more taxes + more MPs + less freedom. A simple equation worth remembering come March.
[info]gazrad wrote:
Wednesday, 25 November 2009 at 04:58 pm (UTC)
Does it matter when the election will be?
The Conservatives have already reselected their MP, on a closed ballot. It's a safe seat. So no doubt conservative members will go and campaign somewhere else. Thousands of non-Conservative voters will be ignored , and Conservative voters will be taken for granted whether they want the sitting MP or not.
May?
[info]vhawk1951 wrote:
Thursday, 26 November 2009 at 11:06 pm (UTC)
by law the last possible GE date is Thursday 3 June 2010; but the campaigning will start in May probably
nobody doubts that Gobbo cocked it all up
[info]vhawk1951 wrote:
Thursday, 26 November 2009 at 11:09 pm (UTC)
hence nobody is likely to vote for him or his evil crew

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