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UK's clout in EU will fall under Tories

By Andrew Grice, Political Editor

Labour will seize on Mr Barroso's remarks as evidence that the Conservatives would be isolated if they win the election

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Labour will seize on Mr Barroso's remarks as evidence that the Conservatives would be isolated if they win the election

Britain will lose influence in Europe if the Conservatives win the general election, the president of the European Commission has warned.

Jose Manuel Barroso, the conservative former prime minister of Portugal, delved into party politics to criticise David Cameron's decision to pull his MEPs out of the main centre-right bloc, the European People's Party (EPP), in the European Parliament after elections for it are held in June. The move is effectively a divorce from the parties of the French President Nicolas Sarkozy and the German Chancellor Angela Merkel.

Mr Barroso, who met Mr Cameron in London yesterday, said: "I regret that decision. My party is a member of the EPP and I regret this decision because in Europe [it is] the main political parties and the main political families that really shape the European agenda... Of course these are the most influential families in Europe."

Labour will seize on Mr Barroso's remarks as evidence that the Conservatives would be isolated if they win the election. Ministers have already claimed Mr Cameron is out of step with world opinion on the economy because he opposes a fiscal stimulus to combat the recession.

Mr Cameron promised to leave the EPP, which many Tories regard as too federalist, during his 2005 campaign for the Tory leadership. His party formally served notice of his decision in Strasbourg last week. The Tories will form a new group in the European Parliament along with Eurosceptic parties from the Czech Republic and Poland.

Yesterday the Tory leader said: "I believe profoundly that we have got to have in politics a sense that if you say something in Westminster you say the same thing in Strasbourg and Brussels. I believe we should be in the EU but we don't want to see further transfers of power from Westminster to Brussels. We think that process of integration has gone too far already."

Mr Cameron insisted he had had a "very good" meeting with Mr Barroso and was "a big supporter" of the Commission's president, who was backed by Gordon Brown yesterday for a second spell in the job when his five-year term expires in October.

Mr Cameron was speaking at his monthly press conference, where he signalled that an incoming Tory government would freeze the BBC licence fee in a drive to force public bodies to "deliver more for less". The fee for a home with at least one colour television will rise from £139.50 to £142.50 next month as part of a six-year deal agreed by the Government in 2007.

Mr Cameron said he opposed the latest increase – which will raise an extra £68m for the corporation – and hinted the party would veto further rises if it wins the election expected next year.

The BBC Trust said: "Funding stability is important to the BBC's creative and editorial independence."

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COSA NOSTRA...
[info]santinox wrote:
Tuesday, 17 March 2009 at 01:33 am (UTC)
"...Of course these are the most influential families in Europe" . WATCH OUT dAVE U MIGHT END UP SLEEPING WITH THE FISHES...
what?
[info]joe_w_90 wrote:
Tuesday, 17 March 2009 at 02:04 am (UTC)
we dont need some euorpean nitwit trying to control our government power or country, especially when their spouting such slanderous propaganda. this almost sounds like a threat !!!
why did we even to bother fighting off the nazi`s in WWII if we`re just going to hand over our country to people like this idiot.
im sorry to say Mr Barroso but its not your decision which party runs our country. its the peoples choice not yours. and i would thank you kindly if you would stay out of our inland affairs.
we need cheap credit and public work projects, that alone will jumpstart our economy.
some dodgy plan thats going to result in our country being in huge debt is just not going to work.
Are we bothered?
[info]rubik101 wrote:
Tuesday, 17 March 2009 at 04:42 am (UTC)
Do we really care what this clown thinks? He will not be president of anything wothwhile in a few short years and we would do well to remember that. The EU is an expensive failure. Switzerland seems to be immune from the turmoil surrounding it at the moment. We would do well to let our ties to the EU loosen to the point of disconnection.
Re: Are we bothered?
[info]ourmaninferney wrote:
Tuesday, 17 March 2009 at 11:37 am (UTC)
Switzerland immune from the turmoil? You jest, surely!
Barroso
[info]asurbanipal wrote:
Tuesday, 17 March 2009 at 05:36 am (UTC)
Who gives a tu'penny ha'penny damn about influence in the EU. The aim of English politics should be a complete and rapid withdrawal from this gang of festering, self-seeking, irresponsible crooks.Since the time of Margaret Thatcher we have had no politician of sufficient principle and character to tell this fascist, unelected, take-over organisation where to go. What do we gain from membership ? Only a lot of grief and expense. The EU is the largest political scam ever conceived.
It's about credibility
[info]49niner wrote:
Tuesday, 17 March 2009 at 06:17 am (UTC)
David Cameron may come to regret his promise to take the Tories out of the EPP. His party are stuck in a time-warp, unable to accept that the EU is a fact of life that won't go away. Withdrawal from membership, which some of them want, wouldn't solve anything, because the EU is too large and influential to be ignored. All withdrawal would mean is that Britain would have now power or influence over EU decisions.

Outside the main conservative grouping in the European Parliament, the Tories are likely to be ignored, especially if they form a group with some of the serial nutters they have been trying to court. People should ask quite seriously whether electing Tory MEPs on June 4th is a serious waste of the expenses and salaries they will draw over the next 5 years. The 12 UKIP members elected last time ahve hardly covered themselves in glory since.

It's all about credibility. No nation state is "independent" in today's world. Countries must cooperate to survive. The EU is far to important and established to ignore. Either we engage properly with it, and fight Britain's corner from within, or we risk making ourselves a laughing stock. For the Tories to leave the EPP is a short-sighted decision which I feel they will live to regret.
what clout
[info]jeanshaw wrote:
Tuesday, 17 March 2009 at 06:30 am (UTC)
As a member of the EPP the Tories had no clout at all , all that happened was that they trailed along behind the Federalist leaders of the EPP and continually supported measures which were against the UK's interest.
Personally as a UKIP supporter I would prefer for them to stay in the EPP because it would destroy any pretensions they have to be ,even , mildly Eurosceptic . However as someone who is a UK patriot any move away from total subservience to the EU has to be good news.
Europe
[info]mattejq wrote:
Tuesday, 17 March 2009 at 06:47 am (UTC)
What influence do we as the people have in Europe. The only influence being wielded is purely for the political aims of the Labour party. We have become irrelevant peasants to the ruling classes.
UK's clout in EU will fall under Tories
[info]geedale wrote:
Tuesday, 17 March 2009 at 06:52 am (UTC)
What Clout?..................
Unelected "Leaders"
[info]g_onnads wrote:
Tuesday, 17 March 2009 at 06:57 am (UTC)
At least Cameron will be elected - unlike Barroso or Brown !!
Tries will let UK lose out in EU
[info]frigalo wrote:
Tuesday, 17 March 2009 at 07:08 am (UTC)
Xenophobic tendencies still exists in the Tory party and always will. They are unable to change with the times. Paying lip service to green politics but they will do nothing environmentally helpful at all.
They are desperate to get back into power and will say anything. Huge donations from big business will flow to their party come the elction along with arm twisting to ensure offshore tax havens carry on as before.
UK Clout in EU
[info]rogerfarmer wrote:
Tuesday, 17 March 2009 at 07:14 am (UTC)
Perhaps what really worries him is the thought that the EU will loose influence in the UK.

Roger Farmer.
Alicante.
And this bloke tells us what to do and why?
[info]ancientoneuk wrote:
Tuesday, 17 March 2009 at 07:33 am (UTC)
I think this country is rather tired and getting just a bit fed up of secret alliances and closed clubs where shifty and very dodgy deals are rubber stamped without public scrutiny and accountability.

Can someone also explain to me HOW not belonging to this chic and cosy little club of conservative thinking parties will lose us influence, this EU chappie has in one hit exposed that the EU is one heck of a corrupt place if you follow his meaning and inference.
Renegotiate.
[info]ptstroud wrote:
Tuesday, 17 March 2009 at 07:55 am (UTC)
I was for many years a firm Europhile, but as the story of corruption and inefficiency has unwound and we have seen the disgraceful maneuvering over the Constitution with Ireland having to vote twice, I now realise that we must, at least, renegotiate our place in the EU. If the Tories are trying to form a more Eurosceptic group so much the better. I really don't think they had much influence in the EPP and their calls for less federalisation and more local decision making was never supported by the majority of members of the grouping.
EU Clout?
[info]rooster281 wrote:
Tuesday, 17 March 2009 at 08:04 am (UTC)
What "clout" would that be exactly. We should go the whole hog and come out completely. Barroso identifies how they have it all sewn up in his comments on "political families". It sounds like he will get another unelected five years on this massive gravy train paid for at our expense. At the moment our own parliament is irrelevant and has been turned into a regional assembly implementing EU laws, created at the whim of Barroso and his unelected commissioner colleagues.
Great News
[info]johnnynorfolk wrote:
Tuesday, 17 March 2009 at 08:20 am (UTC)
This is just what we want. Just leave us alone to run our own country.

We have have gone to war for generations to be independent.
ARROGANCE & CORRUPTION
[info]tondis wrote:
Tuesday, 17 March 2009 at 08:24 am (UTC)
Instead of interfering into our politics, Mr Barrosso should concentrate on having his own house in order and apart from other issues get a proper audit after all these years!
Any Plc here would be crucified without it, and they can gat away with it for 10+ years!
Could it decline anyway?
[info]retrovertigo001 wrote:
Tuesday, 17 March 2009 at 08:30 am (UTC)
This is the EU doing what it does best. People of ireland voted against the Lisbon treaty, EU decides they voted the wrong way so you must vote again! People of Britain (may) decide to vote in a conservative perty, EU decides we've voted the wrong way so vote again! Or maybe he's using clever pyschology by knowing that we hate to be told what to do by Europe so if he supported his natural conservative inklings we may feel sympathy for Gormless Mc Broon and elect him, causing further global catastrophe!
Ted Baker
[info]tedbaker wrote:
Tuesday, 17 March 2009 at 09:06 am (UTC)
Well I'm still going to vote for the UKIP in the Euro elections. Altough withdrawing from the group is good news , its not enough. I want out !
Re: Ted Baker
[info]jorgeg1 wrote:
Tuesday, 17 March 2009 at 03:08 pm (UTC)
Well you can vote for UKIP in the Euro elections but until you and millions more vote for them to the British parliament they will just continue to provide some entertainment with their shennanigans in the Europaliament. It shows that, the more the anti-EU camp accuse the EU of undemocratic, the more clueless they (the anti-EU camp) become.

Wake up man, nobody is forcing Little England or Little Britain to stay in the EU but Little England or Little Britain itself, who votes anti-EU parties for the EU parliament, where they are powerless, absolutely powerless, to progress their agenda, but not for the British parliament, which is the only entity that is SOVEREIGN (do you know what this means, surely not....) to enact legislation to withdraw the UK from the EU.
Capping the BBC's licence fee
[info]beacon_17 wrote:
Tuesday, 17 March 2009 at 09:43 am (UTC)
If the BBC feel's it needs to get more income to fund its activities, then I suggest that it sacks Jonathan Ross, or reduces the millions of pounds a year it pays to this foul mannered person.
Uk's Clout in the EU will Fall Under the Tories
[info]milegobbler wrote:
Tuesday, 17 March 2009 at 09:56 am (UTC)
Mr Barroso says "the main political parties...shape the European agenda". Not so. It is the unelected politburo of the European Commission that shapes the European agenda.
Wannabe Dictator Threatens Britons
[info]blueglasnost wrote:
Tuesday, 17 March 2009 at 09:57 am (UTC)
1 - Mr Barroso has no right to make this statement, which is clearly politically biased and unappropriate, regarding his prerogatives. It reminds us of this blatant drift towards authoritarianism since the 2008 referendum in Ireland. The EU is more and more prone to bear the guise of an extended democracy, whereas its acts reveal an overt dearth of democratic spirit, and rather smell of coercion. The choice of a new PM belongs with the British people alone, as it happens, Mr Barroso is no British citizen. His exercing a pressure on Britons is incredibly outrageous as well as his unconcealed desire to ensure his Labour cronies comfortable outlook after their 11-year rule led to disaster. No wonder the British are at odds with the EU when it is poised to trample on their exclusive sovereignty on their own country. Hopefully, the British will prove Mr Barroso they still are the only masters of that sovereignty, and that no foreign technocrat-tyrant is allowed to have his say in the matter.
2 - The BBC is funded by the government, which implies it is partly dependent on it, which also dwindles its chances of criticizing the governement, whatever its political colour. Ponder that carefully.
I hope the EU will also have less clout in Britain
[info]sheumais wrote:
Tuesday, 17 March 2009 at 09:58 am (UTC)
Simplistic souls believe you must be either for or against Europe and equate this with the EU. The EU is an anti-democratic body that desires power far beyond its mandate and, as such, does not fulfil the role the public believe it does. Those who walked-out of the parliament when it was addressed by Czech President Vaclav Klaus should recognise their actions suggest they should not be allowed to return. His words went largely unreported in this country, but, as one who has to live with and fund 5 layers of government, I have to state an antipathy with one layer which so arrogantly refuses to adhere to the wishes of its population.

If the EU parliament and Commissioners believe they are so superior that they need not consult the electorate or listen when it speaks, then they have no valuable role to play in governing my life. I am content that we should continue close trading ties with Europe, but this country never agreed to cultural integration and, whilst that may happen naturally in time, attempts by politicians to impose it are unacceptable. Cameron must pledge to put the Lisbon Treaty to the country for acceptance, irrespective of when he may form a government, and it should be rejected for the duplicitous work it is. The EU has a valuable role to perform, but not in the corrupt form it is at the moment.
Europe
[info]ninsim wrote:
Tuesday, 17 March 2009 at 10:01 am (UTC)
If the Conservatives risk exclusion in Europe then I would be happy to see this become complete withdrawal from the sink hole of corruption,self-serving and comic opera bureaucracy that is European politics.
EU
[info]marinebigmike wrote:
Tuesday, 17 March 2009 at 10:06 am (UTC)
Great, the sooner we get out of Mr Barroso's corrupt organisation the better. The European Union makes Al Capone look like Noddy in Toyland.
5 years ago
[info]deimosp wrote:
Tuesday, 17 March 2009 at 10:11 am (UTC)
When I moved to France I was very very pro Europe. But then over time I saw how the French regarded the EU - as a source of subsidy. That is all they are interested in is being subsidised by other EU members. Over time I became more and more anti EEA - not the idea of it but the way it works in practice. Unless it can be shaken-up big time and stope wasting money and subsidising countries that don't need it it will die a death on its own. Nice idea but spoilt by politicians (surprise)
[info]ourmaninferney wrote:
Tuesday, 17 March 2009 at 11:48 am (UTC)
Many people responding here complain that Brussels merely dictates from on high and take no notice of the electorate.

That would be different from UK domestic politics how exactly? How many marched against the Iraq war, only to see it start anyway? The list is endless.

Most major reform, such as workers' rights, in the UK has come from Brussels, not the UK's own "representatives" in Westminster.
Our Club.
[info]solvoxuno wrote:
Tuesday, 17 March 2009 at 11:58 am (UTC)
"I maka u di ofa u cannot refuse." Good thing we didn't ditch the pound for the Bundes DeuroTCH; however low it may be now. Now the task is to sweep away all those great private bankers criminals and their minions and all the tax avoiding corporate mafias hiding behind the law of sea. If we had honest politicians and called them to order of payment we probably would not even need income tax for most wage groups. We still have Common Law to protect our freedoms it's just that so many don't know what they are and how to make use of them. Government, state and its laws are to be of service to the public, not for extortion, spying, terror and treason against the people.
CLOUT
[info]zanulabour wrote:
Tuesday, 17 March 2009 at 01:09 pm (UTC)
IS THAT A THUMP ROUND THE LUGS
EX COMMUNIST BARROSO TELLS US WHAT TO DO ???
[info]bgarvie wrote:
Tuesday, 17 March 2009 at 01:09 pm (UTC)
How dare this former member of the Portugese Communist party interfer with our internal politics. The EU really thinks everyone in the UK is pro Europe. He is a self-opinionated Commissioner.

We want a referendum on The Lisbon Treaty and then decide what further action is needed to redress the cancerous creep of the EU stealing our sovereignty.
bossy English
[info]vhawk1951 wrote:
Tuesday, 17 March 2009 at 01:39 pm (UTC)
ever since we joined the EEC the English have been wittering on about leading Europe. if i were not English(god forbid) I would not be all that keen on being led by the English / British -mind you I am not saying it would not do the other riff raff good. if I were French I would say, no WE will lead Europe thank you and stop being so bossy
And what business
[info]tallbendyman wrote:
Tuesday, 17 March 2009 at 02:06 pm (UTC)
is it of his to comment on our political status?

Time to leave the EU - it is even more overbearing and authoritarian than our government, and that is saying something.

But - must be careful - I believe that it is now an offence under EU law to criticise the EU.

Leaving ?
[info]deimosp wrote:
Tuesday, 17 March 2009 at 03:03 pm (UTC)
Much as I now appreciate what a disaster the EU has become, this is probably due to politicians being politicians rather than it being a bad idea. Trouble is that leaving the EU now would probably be more of a disster than staying in. At least at the moment we are only throwing money at people and politicians who do not deserve it (and don't need it). In my opinion, what is needed is for a shake-up. So dramatically cut on the horrendous waste, to radically reduce the subsidies flowing between countries that do not need it. The principle is good, just the practice that is a disaster - but then the practice was the job of the politicians.
Clout's out!
[info]jillox wrote:
Tuesday, 17 March 2009 at 03:37 pm (UTC)
The 'usual suspects', including Barroso and his mates, that stalk the corridors of the EU would do well to be looking over their collective shoulders, there could be new boys in town, come June!
As to that piece of tosh put out by the BBC Trust: 'Funding stability is important to the BBC's creative and editorial independence', I'd laugh if it wasn't so serious. They stopped being creative or independent years ago!
UNWARRANTED INTERFERENCE FROM BRUSSELS:
[info]bgarvie wrote:
Wednesday, 18 March 2009 at 08:33 am (UTC)
Barroso, an arrogant, unelected Commissioner, a former member of the Protugese Communist Party, is an affront to every British subject. He sums up the typical selfishness attitude of the political elites in Brussels. We did not elect him, yet he still tries to have a say in how our internal politics. He, like Brown, is unelected, untrustworthy and very unpopular. He is so grateful Brown goes along with his EU precepts. Brown and Barroso are undemocratic especially as we have been refused a referendum on the Lisbon Treaty.

How dare this former Communist tell the British people how to vote. The British people want a change of Government and a changed approach to this corrupt entity called the EU.
Clout...
[info]higgins86 wrote:
Wednesday, 22 April 2009 at 02:10 pm (UTC)
In answer to some of the earlier posts questioning Britain's 'clout' in the EU: contrary to what many believe in this country, Britain in the last decade has become one of the most effective states of the EU in getting its way in terms of policy preferences. EU business has become central to many Whitehall departments' activities. Britain is now very proactive in making its position on policy known early to the Commission so as to have the best chance of shaping the eventual outcome, and as one of the four member states with the largest weighting of votes in the Council of Ministers has a large amount of 'clout' in the EU's main decision making body. In terms of the Parliament, Britain has a large amount of seats, and the Tories, as part of the EPP, make up a significant amount of the largest political grouping in the parliament, thus giving them influence over what the decisions the parliament eventually comes to.

As for the Tories decision, this is only the first of what I feel may be a number of decisions (assuming they gain power) that will isolate us in Europe. Pulling out of this will put the Tories on the sidelines in Europe.

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