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Royal succession rules may be reformed

Buckingham Palace and PM in talks to give women equal rights to throne

By Sadie Gray

Royal daughters could be given an equal claim to the throne and the ban on heirs marrying Roman Catholics may be scrapped under plans discussed by Downing Street and Buckingham Palace.

The issue is due to be raised in the House of Commons today during a debate on legislation, introduced by Liberal Democrat MP Evan Harris, to end the "uniquely discriminatory" rules laid down by the 1701 Act of Settlement. Dr Harris has cross-party support, but is unlikely to win the backing of ministers at this stage. The Government has said changes would be a "complex undertaking".

The Prime Minister Gordon Brown is said to believe that agreement should be reached between Commonwealth countries before he gives the bill his formal support, and he said he would raise the issue at November's Commonwealth Heads of Government conference. Mr Brown was reported to have called the 1701 Act "an anomaly that has no place in the 21st century". There would be no change, however, to the requirement that the monarch be a Protestant.

Dr Harris' Royal Marriages and Succession to the Crown (Prevention of Discrimination) Bill is co-sponsored by Catholic parliamentarians including Tory MP Edward Leigh, Labour's Andrew Mackinlay and John Grogan, and Liberal Democrat John Pugh.

Dr Harris said: "This Bill will remove the uniquely discriminatory rule which currently exists – that an individual in the line of succession to the throne can have a civil partnership with a Catholic, can marry a Muslim or atheist, but cannot marry a Catholic.

"It will also end the outdated rule which allows a woman in the line of succession to the throne to be automatically superseded by a younger male sibling. If our current monarch had a younger brother, we would never have had a Queen Elizabeth II."

A Ministry of Justice spokeswoman said: "The Government has always stood firmly against discrimination in all its forms, including against Roman Catholics, and we will continue to do so.

"To bring about changes to the law on succession would be a complex undertaking involving amendment or repeal of a number of items of related legislation, as well as requiring the consent of legislatures of member nations of the Commonwealth.

"We are examining this complex area although there are no immediate plans to legislate."

The Act of Settlement, laying down that heirs would lose their right to the throne if they married a Catholic or a convert, was passed to ensure that the Catholic Stuart dynasty could not return to the throne following the Glorious Revolution of 1688.

Last year Autumn Kelly renounced her Catholic faith in order to marry the Princess Royal's son, Peter Phillips, without damaging his position as 11th in line to the throne.

The Act also put into law the principle of primogeniture – the precedence of male heirs over female. If changes to that practice were made retrospectivly, Princess Anne, currently 10th in line to the throne, would leapfrog her two younger brothers, the Duke of York and the Earl of Wessex and their children to become fourth in line, behind Prince Harry.

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Couldn't Care Less
[info]neil639 wrote:
Friday, 27 March 2009 at 06:40 am (UTC)
I really don't care what religion the Head of State belongs to, or whether he or she doesn't have a religion at all. What I would like to see is a Head of State who is elected and a country with a formal written Constitution. That, I would suggest, is far more important.
Re: Couldn't Care Less
[info]vhawk1951 wrote:
Friday, 27 March 2009 at 12:53 pm (UTC)
seconded, save that I don't like and don't want change and if we go back to burning heretics think of the global warming consequences
Tony Blair
[info]berewic wrote:
Friday, 27 March 2009 at 08:27 am (UTC)
That lying slimy evil corrupt bastard Tony Blair has his dirty greasy hands all over this.
Remove
[info]snowdonwatcher wrote:
Friday, 27 March 2009 at 08:38 am (UTC)
If we got rid of the monarchy we would not have the problem of discrimination.

Voting for parliment, the house of lords & a president is the only way forward for a "modern, forward thinking" country.......assuming we think we are one?

Aren't they wonderful?
[info]tominlondon wrote:
Friday, 27 March 2009 at 09:05 am (UTC)
I am so happy about our wonderful monarch and all who sail in it. We must congratulate ourselves on not having a President.

They do so much for us. And so cheap!

I think we should have LOTS of queens and nobles and rich people owning all the land.
Priorities Mr Brown
[info]aggrievedherts wrote:
Friday, 27 March 2009 at 09:05 am (UTC)
I would think that our idiot unelected PM would have more important issues to attend to instead of flying around the world achieving nothing and now trying to sort out the Monarchy.

Attend to the many issues affecting to the man on the street at this time and set a date for the next General Election. I would be more worried about your position than the Monarchy because you are a complete loser who has seriously damaged this country along with President Blair. When are the true British going to stand up to the current dire situation we are in instead of lying back accepting everything thrown at us ??

Aggrieved. Herts
excellent use of time
[info]bowesy wrote:
Friday, 27 March 2009 at 09:08 am (UTC)
it is nice to see that whilst the country is in spiralling recession our over worked and underpaid MP's have found time to introduce a Bill on this terribly important topic.

Perhaps they would be better off spending their time cleaning up their own act and that of the HOL - which seems to be a hot bed of corrupt labour sponsored rubbish
Re: excellent use of time
[info]tominlondon wrote:
Friday, 27 March 2009 at 09:46 am (UTC)
Send all the foreign German immigrants back. We don't want them in Buckingham Palace any more, scrounging off our benefits system and taking our jobs and stealing our women.
Another diversion from reality
[info]thorntongate wrote:
Friday, 27 March 2009 at 09:49 am (UTC)
But it gives the Daily Mail something new to get excited about.
[info]peersrogue wrote:
Friday, 27 March 2009 at 10:11 am (UTC)
Everything nulabour thinks about, mentions or touches with their greedy grasping hands is completely ruined. I would rather be ruled by a monarchy than a bunch of scrounging, lying politicians who have no conception of loving and honouring your country lead by a PM who acceded to power without being elected.

Leave the royals alone and discriminate against the vile miasma that hangs over parliament aka
Brown and his government. If Dr Harris wants to find something to justify his existence and pay packet why not bring Bliar to court at the Hague for his lies that led our country into a Yankee war for petrol in Iraq and revenge in Afghanistan???


It's A Sin.
[info]sonic_banana wrote:
Friday, 27 March 2009 at 10:34 am (UTC)
It had to come. After The Workers, The Women, The Blacks, The Gays, The Animals, The Disabled, The Muslims and The Aged. English Catholics have finally become a cause. Victims of the only modern sin - "discrimination".

After 300 years we're hardly chomping at the bit, but while you're on with it Gordon, could you ask if we can have our cathedrals back as well? It looks like the Church of England won't be needing them anyway!
Re: It's A Sin.
[info]goosegreece wrote:
Friday, 27 March 2009 at 01:23 pm (UTC)
You forgot to mention discrimination against one-eyed Scots idiots.
It won't really matter in 100 years anyway
[info]oriordap wrote:
Friday, 27 March 2009 at 10:54 am (UTC)
As our glorious Pope in Rome's next task after single handedly defeating the evil communist empire of the soviets is to bring all the errant breakaway religions back into the fold of the one true Holy Catholic Church. To think one an entire nations religion is based on the wreteched king henry VIII efforts to divorce his wife so he could hop into the sack with some wench.
WHO GIVES A SHIT
[info]indypen wrote:
Friday, 27 March 2009 at 11:02 am (UTC)
I don't care if the Saxe-Coburgs marry into another species
In the words of Catherine Tate:
[info]sara_sense wrote:
Friday, 27 March 2009 at 11:39 am (UTC)
Face: bovvered?
Royal succession
[info]revilo99 wrote:
Friday, 27 March 2009 at 12:44 pm (UTC)
So the objective is to "to end the "uniquely discriminatory" rules laid down by the 1701 Act of Settlement". The bigest discrimination is that it is only the Royal Family that gets a chance of being monarch!! Deal with this first then address the smaller discriminations such as sex and religion.
no
[info]vhawk1951 wrote:
Friday, 27 March 2009 at 12:50 pm (UTC)
I'm sick of change
Head of State
[info]neil639 wrote:
Friday, 27 March 2009 at 01:28 pm (UTC)
The fact that our unelected Head of State, who has a job for life before handing it on to another family member - however unintelligent he or she is - cannot marry a person from one religious sect who believes in nonsensical superstition and the spirit world, but can marry someone who believes in the same supernatural and superstitious nonsense from another religious sect, demonstrates the ridiculous nature of our Government. We really do need a wide-ranging date on our Constitution and giving the public a choice in who becomes Head of State.
Calvo Sotelo's Friends
[info]victoremmanuel3 wrote:
Friday, 27 March 2009 at 02:46 pm (UTC)
Having a monarch as head of state is an expensive luxury we cannot afford and is a very dangerous thing. We should never forget that fascism began in Italy, with King Victor Emmanuel III appointing Mussolini his prime minister. Three out of the four fascist states in history evolved with monarchy help. Even in Germany, the first fascist style coup against the democratic Weimar Republic was lead by Ludendorff, an ardent supporter of the deposed Kaiser.

Monarchs are living shrines, an inspiration, to the extreme right, the sooner we abolish the Monarchy, be they Catholic, Protestant, Muslim, Buddhist or Shintoist, the better!
Re: Calvo Sotelo's Friends
[info]tominlondon wrote:
Friday, 27 March 2009 at 03:10 pm (UTC)
Yes, and let's not forget Edward VIII's admiration for Hitler and (it's said) another member of the British royal family (who shall remain nameless and is now defunct) who was all set to take over if/when the Nazis invaded. As for the weird, organic, fogeyish, present occupants of those positions, their love of militarism and dressing up as Nazis, and the friends they appoint to advise them....
It is time that male chauvinism
[info]arthur_ide wrote:
Friday, 27 March 2009 at 04:50 pm (UTC)
is done away with. A woman is the equal to any man--as the Queen Boeddica proved when she defeated Cesar and his armies, and Eleanor of Aquitaine rode bare-breasted into battle outside of Jersuselm. To limit who sits on the throne to a male is sheer absurdity.
Royal succession rules may be reformed
[info]jmm01245 wrote:
Friday, 27 March 2009 at 10:30 pm (UTC)
No wonder the banking mess occurred and why this country is in a mess. The people at the "top" are more concerned with looking after themselves than doing a decent days work. The Monarchy, all politicians and bankers are discussing the rules of succession whilst there are much more serious issues facing the country! The monarchy should be abolished and the citizens given a properly set and policed constitution which would put "our leaders" in their place. They should all work like the rest of us instead of getting us to pay for their negligence!
Monarchy
[info]bonavent wrote:
Saturday, 28 March 2009 at 10:07 am (UTC)
One thing that strikes me as a Dane living in Denmark, a quiet and civilized monarchy, is how many rude and frustrated readers one meets in The Independent! "Offensive or abusive remarks will be removed" it says below this window. If the remarks remaining are not offensive or abusive, I would like to see those that HAVE been removed!
As for monarchy: most of you are ardent opponents of Nu-Labour, as you often call it, and its ways. So consider the consequences: in a republic you would have exactly the same kind of person you loathe as your head of state! Is that a better alternative? And as for the price, an election every 4 or 5 years is far more costly than a coronation every 40 or 50 years. So which is the cheapest form of government? For a (modern) monarch, you will get a professional, who has prepared for the job for years, whose accession will cost a fragment of what presidential elections cost over a lifetime, and in a modern monarchy the head of state has no political power anyway. Would you rather have a 'Tony I' or 'Gordon I' or 'Jacqui I' or 'Jack I' as head of state? Someone like Dubya (incompetent) or Putin (power-crazed) or Chirac (corrupt)? The worst thing that can be said about the British monarchy is that they feed the tabloids and scandal mongering magazines!

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