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Should you be a Good Samaritan – or walk by?

Saturday, 5 July 2008

Boris Johnson, London's Mayor, says the streets are now so dangerous that he has told his children never to intervene in trouble. Is he right?

Jo Brand: 'It depends where you are and the time of the week'

You have to be very sensible when you are confronted with these things especially if there appear to be weapons about. So I would probably say don't get involved. That said I did once see a woman getting beaten up by a man in Camden Market and I just couldn't resist getting involved. He was so shocked that I said anything that he stopped and this gave the woman the moment she needed and she hit him on the head with an umbrella. So in that case there was a good outcome. But if people don't get stuck in that allows bullies to get away with it. I am not sure things are worse than they were 20 or 30 years ago. It depends where you are and what time of the week it is – Friday and Saturday night in the city centre are obviously worse. You have to approach these things very sensibly.

Jo Brand is a comedian

Henry Bonsu: 'If there are enough of you it is an obligation to help'

When I was young, I was interventionist by nature. I'd always step in, but of course, in those days we were not having to deal with guns. Last year I intervened when a group of girls were fighting at Shepherd's Bush. I could have walked on by, but I thought one of the girls might get seriously hurt. So, I said to one guy: "Look, are we going to step in?" If I was alone, I might not have done it. Because, if just one person gets involved, it might be dangerous, but if there are more, the whole thing can be quickly resolved. I've travelled to Ghana, and there, whenever there's a woman in trouble, several people step in and break it up, and sometimes beat the aggressor too. If there are no adults around, and there are enough kids around, they need to step in too, because it can be a difference between life and death. If there are enough of them, it is a moral obligation to do something.

Henry Bonsu is a director and presenter of Colourful Radio

Ann Widdecombe: 'Everyone has to make their own judgement'

It is a great pity that we have lost our have-a-go attitude. One of the reasons we have lost it is not because of fear of the criminal but fear of the police. There have been numerous occasions where people have intervened and then found themselves on the wrong side of the law. I have never had to do it myself. If you see someone flashing a knife I am sure that the preservation instinct kicks in, if there is an affray and you have a bit more time you may call the police. Most people will reach for their phone from a safe distance. I made a television programme about girl gangs and one of the girls told me how she was on the ground having her head kicked. It was only because a lady intervened that they stopped. If the lady hadn't she might have died. Everyone has to make their own judgement.

Ann Widdecombe is an MP, broadcaster and former Home Office minister

Brian Paddick: 'Call the police. That's the responsible thing to do'

If we're going to make progress, then everyone has to take responsibility without having to take risks. To be fair to Boris, what he said was not that people should just walk on by. What he said was that teenagers should not get involved in fights. That's different to saying that you should just ignore things. I think what he was saying was that you should take the appropriate action depending on the circumstances, which is absolutely right. You need to make the correct judgements, and as adults we should be able to do that. As far as teenagers go, I would say if you see a fight dial 999 – call the police. That's the most responsible thing to do. I would not advise any young person to have a go in the sense of jumping into a fight, because it's far too dangerous. With so many teenagers carrying knives it's not safe to get involved, because you don't know if they have a knife or not, and in many cases often they will. Just call the police.

Brian Paddick is a former deputy assistant commissioner of the Metropolitan Police

Erik Baskind: 'If you have to react, then be rapid, sharp and hard'

The official advice is this: if you have the chance, then simply walk on by, make yourself safe and call for police assistance. The only exception to that is either when you are involved and cannot get away or you feel you have a duty to intervene and you feel competent and confident to do so. There is obviously a risk involved in this and that is where training comes in. You need to immobilise the attacker for the few vital seconds it takes to get away. There are a whole range of things to do. It could be a very rapid but serious kick in the shins or grabbing a male in the testicles. Whatever you do it has to be rapid and sharp and hard. If you are not going to do it properly – don't do it. The situation doesn't change when you are confronted with more than one person. Follow the same rules. Ideally you should learn to avoid situations in the first place. The key is always to get away as quickly as possible.

Erik Baskind is director of training at the British Self Defence Governing Body

John Nicho: 'If my mum was in trouble I'd want someone to help'

I am not sure what I would do now. Two incidents stick in the mind. The first was when myself and an RAF boxing champion friend went to help a young policewoman in Oxford who tried to stop three guys jumping off a bridge into the river. They turned on her and we intervened but for five minutes until the police came we were pretty much on our own. Another time I helped out a security guard who was grappling with this young kid with a knife. Basically I'm a coward. I was in the RAF but I'm not trained for these things. I don't look for trouble but I always think, "What would I want other people to do if it was my mum or my wife that was in trouble?" I would want someone to go to their aid. The danger is, will you end up with a knife between the shoulder blades? I hope I would have the courage now but you have to be careful.

John Nichol is a former RAF navigator who was captured during the first Gulf War

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I used to intervene-but not now.A few months ago a car full of young idiots nearly *intentionally* ran down an elderly woman.I intervened.Within seconds they were out the car with batons.I sustained multiple broken bones & was in agony for months.20ft away were about 40 middleclass diners who in unison turned their heads the other way.This was in a nice part of town. Not one even got up to help as blood was pouring from my face.The police weren't bothered about getting descriptions from the diners.Even if they were caught,they'd have got nothing from the courts.
Us Europeans are now afraid to stick up for each other.
Violent offenders roam around unhindered by the authorities and general society - which only fuels their confidence and aggression. If the attackers are ethnic-the attacked get arrested (it's happened to friends of mine). If we complain about "travellers" begging/harassing/stealing - *we* are arrested for racism. It's just not worth it. Keep your head down & walk on by.

Posted by C Campbell | 07.07.08, 10:11 GMT

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I would never, nor do I know anyone else who would, pass by someone in need of assistance. One has a moral obligation to help. Food for thought, when it's your turn to be the victim, and you cry out for help will anyone respond? Wouldn't it be nice if they did. Remember, "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you."

Posted by infidel | 05.07.08, 17:33 GMT

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the opinions of the people above are all very valuable however kids today arent as scared as people think they might be, at least in my home town, the children and teenagers are aware of knives and weapons around them but this doesnt scare them, problems arise when fights are started and people walk past, in my experience, when an adult says something to an attacker in a fight most of the time they will stop especially if the police are mentioned. i would strongly advise not to get physically involved with any fighting but just shouting stop can work and costs nothing.

Posted by matthew | 05.07.08, 16:40 GMT

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Its our moral duty to help other in need for someone to say other wise is a coward. Do u think boris would be saying "walk away and call the police" if it was his child or mother being muged, beaten or murderd? Could you really live with yourself if you say someone being beaten but u walked away and called the police but it was too late? You u carry on your life thinking that you did all you could! i understand that yes i highly dangruse situation it may be a better idea to just call the police but any red blooed human being should have the want to help some one in need and any one who sugests other wise is going against human instint.

Posted by Meg | 05.07.08, 13:09 GMT

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I think we have to look at this from a community perspective. If enough people stop and pay attention. Attackers will think twice. someone call the police, a few people confront the situation verbally and the person calling the police recruit other passers by to get a crowd. try to avoid any physical involvement but all be willing to restrain the person. Then finally take the time to make a statement to the police so they can follow through. Take pictures with your mobiles. stand around and boo hiss slow clap. Do anything to draw attention to the yob(s) and let them know that everyone there does not like what they are doing, is willing to step in to stop them and they can choose to walk away or confront the community. Why rely on the police?
Anyone seen Bug's Life ?

Posted by Nez | 05.07.08, 11:47 GMT

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I think we have to look at this from a community perspective. If enough people stop and pay attention. Attackers will think twice. someone call the police, a few people confront the situation verbally and the person calling the police recruit other passers by to get a crowd. try to avoid any physical involvement but all be willing to restrain the person. Then finally take the time to make a statement to the police so they can follow through. Take pictures with your mobiles. stand around and boo hiss slow clap. Do anything to draw attention to the yob(s) and let them know that everyone there does not like what they are doing, is willing to step in to stop them and they can choose to walk away or confront the community. Why rely on the police?
Anyone seen Bug's Life ?

Posted by Nez | 05.07.08, 11:42 GMT

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I think we have to look at this from a community perspective. If enough people stop and pay attention. Attackers will think twice. someone call the police, a few people confront the situation verbally and the person calling the police recruit other passers by to get a crowd. try to avoid any physical involvement but all be willing to restrain the person. Then finally take the time to make a statement to the police so they can follow through. Take pictures with your mobiles. stand around and boo hiss slow clap. Do anything to draw attention to the yob(s) and let them know that everyone there does not like what they are doing, is willing to step in to stop them and they can choose to walk away or confront the community. Why rely on the police?
Anyone seen Bug's Life ?

Posted by Nez | 05.07.08, 11:40 GMT

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I used to turn round on buses and admonish youth who were causing mayhem but not any more - for two reasons: they now feel secure enough in their precious porcelain world to say and do anything they like to you and that can include killing you. The second reason is that there is no back up from government. Now the aggressor is the victim (especially if young) and the victim is the one who gets marched off and charged - if he/she is still alive! Good Samaritans weren't in danger of being macheted we are!

Posted by Judith C | 05.07.08, 11:27 GMT

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The problem is that far fewer men undertake physically arduous work plus there is a decline in the number of boys who have boxed. If one looks at photographs of evacuees , many of the boys , even as young as 5 or 6 carred their boxing gloves. Boxing was not just a working class activitity, practically every public and grammar school had boxing clubs. In addition those who served in the Armed Forces, up to the early 70s, practically all had some experience of boxing. If there is a man on the streets who is 5 ft 8 and taller plus 10st or heavier and has undertaken physically tough work and boxed, then they have the attributes to be effctive in helping someone. The problem is that the decline in toughness of men men there are fewer around who can protect the those who are being attacked. A docker who boxed or a farmer who went to a tough public school for whom he boxed are more likely to be of help than office workers who play video games .

Posted by Charlie | 05.07.08, 10:54 GMT

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I think I might buy myself a big knife too....if you flash it then maybe the killer-yobs would think it wasn't worth taking you on.The filth get away with it because they know that the prisons are full already and the courts are too lenient.But above all they know that the decent folk are unarmed and defenceless.Maybe that needs to change?

Posted by Chris | 05.07.08, 10:52 GMT

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