Our man in Cairo rashly enters Egypt's veil debate
Muslims upset over comments about ban on women wearing the niqab
As the great-grandson of the Liberal Prime Minister Herbert Asquith, and as a rising star in the Foreign Office, Britain's ambassador to Cairo should be fluent in the carefully crafted language of negotiation and diplomacy.
But Dominic Asquith has caused upset among Muslims after comments he wrote in a blog in which he entered the hotly contested and sensitive debate over whether women should be allowed to wear the niqab in Egypt. Mr Asquith, 52, described the niqab – the full-face veil – as a "symbol" of Islam rather than central to the religion and insisted that not wearing it did not make women any less Islamic.
He also compared the wearing of the niqab to women beginning to attend Catholic churches without the head veil in the 1960s, adding that "change is always difficult".
Muslims commenting on his blog accused him of representing a country with a "bloody history" and claiming that the "Catholic church is the last place to learn lessons from".
But in a second blog defending his position, Mr Asquith risked further criticism by saying: "We cannot presume to know the mind of God and whether God attaches importance to the symbols we have adopted... It goes to the heart of what is ritual in religion and what is dogma."
Mr Asquith's original blog post was written earlier this month following an incident at an Egyptian university where a leading Islamic cleric asked a student to remove her niqab. Sheikh Mohammed Sayyed Tantawi, the head of the Al-Azhar University, has banned female students and teachers from wearing the full-face veil in class. The Egyptian government is concerned about the rise in women wearing the veil in the country. But Muslim opposition groups in Egypt have said the ban amounts to an attack on personal freedom.
Mr Asquith wrote that the row reminded him of the 1960s, when Catholic women, including his own mother and aunt, no longer covered their heads when they entered church. He wrote: "I remember how difficult it was for some Catholics 50 years ago to accept the changes – to the symbols and the traditions. It is not impious to suggest a reasoned debate about religious matters, which focuses on the essence of our religion, not its symbols."
However polished Mr Asquith believed his language to be, it provoked an angry response.
While one respondent, "Shohrat", said he respected the ambassador's view, "Hisham" accused Mr Asquith of "sticking your nose in something that has nothing to do with you, your country, your religion, or your Catholic sect". Another, Mansour Jamil, wrote that the "Catholic church is the last place to learn lessons from".
In response last week, Mr Asquith wrote, rather diplomatically, that he found the comments "very rewarding – including from those who thought that, as a Catholic and a British ambassador (it was not quite clear to me which was worse in their eyes!), I was unqualified to voice an opinion".
The ambassador, in a reference to the niqab, said believers who did not adopt "symbols traditionally associated with their religion" were not un-Islamic. "If they choose not to do so, I can't believe that makes them less devout or less religious persons."
Mr Asquith is a fluent Arabic speaker and classicist educated at Ampleforth and Oxford. Before taking up the Cairo posting in 2007, he was ambassador to Baghdad during a difficult two-year period for Britain in the Iraq conflict, including the hostage-taking of five Britons.
Foreign Office ministers and diplomats have been blogging on the Foreign Office website since 2006, but when David Miliband, a keen blogger, became Foreign Secretary in 2007, the activity was stepped up.
Mr Asquith, who was born in Zanzibar and is a cousin of the actress Helena Bonham Carter, has written a blog since May this year.
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Good family connections are so important don't you know.
Such a decent religion. Such a bunch of bigots.
Niquabs, Burkas, get used to 'em. They'll be coming to a High Street near you, soon.
Mary, mother of Jesus, never wore a nikab (face covering) but she wore a hijab (head covering) in public.
As she is the most honoured woman, Muslim women should look towards her dress code as an example.
The nikab is an optional item of clothing in Islam. Zealots in some parts of the world have turned it into a compulsary item of clothing.
The ambassador's blog was spot on, but as usual, the fundamentalists don't want their cosy little world disturbing.
Religious rules on clothing for men and women are about high moral values and decency.
The "freedom to choose" gives us what we have today - women who consider themselves full clothed but appear near naked.
Islam doesnt kill anyone for dress code - I have no idea where you get that from. Maybe you've been watching too much Fox News.
If a woman choose to wear little, that is her choice. The fact that you have a problem with that reflects more on you than on her.
How many days ago was a woman sentenced to a thousand lashes for the "crime" of wearing trousers? If it wasn't for massive international media and diplomatic attention, what state do you think she would now be in...? Says it all, really.
You are thinking about here and now. Most religious people think of the day they will meet God and take the stand to account for their compliance with His rules and recommendations.
You may be a disbeliever. In that case, this dress code is of no relevance to you, you should move on.
There are 1.57 billion Muslims, most live ordinary but good and hassle free lives. Dont just latch onto the 21st century rules created by a few zealots - like the trousers example.
There are many sources. In fact, even women in the UK had a tradition of wearing the head scarves (hijab) in public until about 100 years ago. The Muslim girls who wear the headscarves would have blended in with the local English girls very easily.
Wouldn't it be great if there was no religion called Islam? Then we wouldn't have to read about the chattering classes infatuation with Burquas Niqabs Minarets Sharia and the great debate about a womans right to choose (to be stoned to death for adultery)
To be fair, it would be pretty cool if there was no religion called Judaism too. Just think No Israeli Zionist crap in the papers either. No more bombing Gaza children from F16s. No suicide bombings in buses in Jerusalem as well. In fact no such place as Jerusalem.
And as for christianity don't get me started.
Abrahamic faiths really suck. Monotheism is poo. Lets all worship Isis The great Mother Goddess. How about we all become Buddhists?. Violent kiddies out there in Cyberspace need not worry - its not all Peace and Love. There was a chap called Suzuki who helped buddhists support the Japanese in world war 2. That's when he wasn't making motorbikes.
Instead of getting their rocks off about Islamic Burquas and Nazi Death camps Western liberals could salivate over Emperor Hirohito and the rape of Nanking . Modern Japanese people might get upset but didn't the infamous General Tojo notoriously say '' if you want to make an Omlette you have to add milk salt and pepper''
Such decent religion. Such a Bunch of bigots. BANZAI!!
And as for using the Catholic Church as a role model...
As for poking noses, I assume that if your neighbour's kids were constantly covered in bruises, you'd probably want to check that nothing was amiss. Or would you consider that "poking your nose into other peoples' business"? I presume that in the case in question, you would prefer that we all keep quiet about the subjugation of women under religious pretexts. Or, to take an example that is "religion-free", you would prefer that we all turn a blind eye to the use of child labour in the production of footballs and tea? After all, what they do with their kids is "their business"...
Curious how many charmed families there are in Britain's echelons of power and influence. Here we have an Asquith popping up again, a century after his famous forebear. When I was a kid, Sir Reginald Manningham-Buller was a knight-of-the-shires (what else with a name like that!) Tory MP, and then, decades after, Eliza Manningham-Buller crops up as head of MI5, and now, in retirement, sits in the Lords. Surely, with so distinctive a name, they have to be related. Francis Maude's a Tory MP, like his now departed dad Angus before him. About-to-depart moat-cleaning on expenses MP Douglas Hogg was the son of the rumbustuous Lord Hailsham, whose own dad, in turn, was also Lord Chancellor in his time. Manure-spreading on expenses David Heathcote-Amory's surely related to Derek H-A, a minister back in Macmillan's time; indeed, there was an H-A in the government at the start of World War I. The Prince of Darkness is grandson to Herbert Morrison. Hilary is the third generation of parliamentary Benns.
Equal opportunities? I wonder ... ! In the 60s, when "things they were a-changing", I thought in my innocence that, in Britain, who you knew would in time start to matter less than what you knew. But I should have remembered the message of an older song: "It ain't necessarily so"!
Still, some dynasties do drop out. Reggie Manningham-Buller shared the green benches with other toffs with magnificent monickers whose line, at least politically speaking, seems to have died out. Sir Harry Legge-Bourke and Sir Hugh Lucas Tooth seem to have produced no parliamentary successors.
Still, though the contemporary Commons may lack teeth, there seems to be no shortage of bourkes, even though they don't bear the name ...
Ambassadors and diplomats of all levels should refrain from commenting on the customs of their places of work, and in particular, the religious ones. The blogger who commented that the UK was hardly a good example to follow was right.
The mother of Jesus wore clothing that wasn't tailored because there was no such thing as tailoring. God said a woman's crowning glory is her hair. So,show your hair and show your face. If a man has dirty thoughts when he sees a woman he should remember she was created in the likeness of God,like him.
A man's thoughts are reflective of the condition of his heart and the condition of his heart is a reflection of his relationship with God.
American King James Version
"A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh." Ezekial 36:26