Chavez threatens to invade as Honduran army stages coup
Venezuelan leader vows to 'act militarily' after leftist ally Manuel Zelaya is overthrown and exiled to Costa Rica
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Aprotester demonstrates outside the presidential palace in Tegucigalpa after soldiers stormed the building and took President Manuel Zelaya into custody
Honduras was plunged into a political crisis that threatened to spill across the region hours after President Manuel Zelaya was thrown out by the army and exiled to Costa Rica prompting his leftist ally in Venezuela, President Hugo Chavez, to threaten military intervention.
In the first successful military coup in Central America since the end of the Cold War, the army sent masked soldiers into the presidential palace before dawn. The President, who was in dispute with his military about a planned constitutional referendum, was then escorted to a military plane which took him into exile.
Mr Chavez went on state television later in the day claiming that the coup leaders had taken away the Cuban ambassador to Honduras and left the Venezuelan ambassador by the road in the capital, Tegucigalpa, after beating him. He said that if troops enter his embassy "that military junta would be entering a de facto state of war," and "we would have to act militarily".
The Congress in Honduras said later that it had received a letter of resignation from Mr Zelaya, purportedly signed on Friday. In a show of hands, representatives accepted that he had stepped down from office.
The country's Supreme Court said it supported the coup. The court had been opposed to the non-binding referendum which was an effort to legitimise a re-writing of the constitution to allow Mr Zelaya to overcome term limits and seek re-election as president. Mr Chavez and the leaders of Bolivia and Ecuador have similarly moved to end restrictions on how long they can stay in office.
The Honduran ambassador to the Organisation of American States said the military was planning to swear in the Congressional President, Roberto Micheletti, next in line to the presidency according to the constitution, to replace Mr Zelaya, who came into office in 2006 and would have had to stand down in 2010 under the existing constitution.
Speaking from Costa Rica, Mr Zelaya denied he had written a resignation letter calling it "totally false". Insisting he was still the president, he said there was "no way to justify an interruption of democracy, a coup d'etat." He added: "This kidnapping is an extortion of the Honduran democratic system."
Under the government of Mr Zelaya, Honduras was member of Alba, a coalition of leftist Latin American countries that includes Bolivia, Cuba, Ecuador and Nicaragua and which is led by Mr Chavez. The organisation was rushing to arrange a summit in Nicaragua to discuss what action to take after the coup.
"We will bring them down. We will bring them down, I tell you," Mr Chavez vowed during yesterday's broadcast, saying, "I have put the armed forces in Venezuela on high alert".
Experts noted, however, that Mr Chavez has a track record of threatening military action but not following through with it. He deployed troops to his border with Colombia last year after that country took action against terrorist bases just inside Ecuador. That crisis eased after a few days, however.
Mr Zelaya said he first realised a coup was under way when he was woken by gunshots inside his palace grounds. He described leaping from his bed and avoiding bullets by hiding, still in his pyjamas, behind an air conditioning unit. He said the palace guard held the soldiers off for more than 20 minutes before he was taken into custody and escorted by eight or nine masked soldiers to the waiting plane.
The streets of Tegucigalpa were reportedly mostly calm last night although main avenues were filled with army tanks in a strong show of force. Roughly 100 supporters of Mr Zelaya had gathered by mid-morning outside the gates to the palace. Some threw stones at hundreds of soldiers surrounding the palace and shouted "Traitors! Traitors!" in protest.
"They kidnapped him like cowards" yelled Melissa Gaitan, 21, who works at the government television station. "We have to rally the people to defend our president."
In Washington, President Barack Obama said he was "deeply concerned" by news of the coup while the Secretary of State, Hillary Clinton, said his expulsion from the country should be condemned. "I call on all political and social actors in Honduras to respect democratic norms, the rule of law and the tenets of the Inter-American Democratic Charter," Mr Obama said in a statement released by the White House.
Manuel Zelaya: President in exile
*With his moustache and taste for cowboy hats, Manuel Zelaya won the 2005 presidential election in Honduras by a margin of barely 70,000 votes, as a long-time member of the centre-right Liberal Party.
Once in office, however, Zelaya tracked left and moved the country away from its traditional close alliance with the US, forging links instead with Hugo Chavez, the leftist president of Venezuela.
Though he had campaigned on a law-and-order ticket, his country has increasingly been seen as a transit point for drugs to the US, with rising criminal violence and street gangs. He has urged Washington to legalise drugs as the best solution to the problem.
Two years ago, in a dispute with the US about imported Honduran melons that were deemed unsafe, Zelaya went on CNN and ate one on air.
Frustrated by what he considered unfair coverage of his government by Honduran television and radio, he issued an order in 2007 that all stations should carry two hours of government propaganda every day.
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The hat and moustache comment certainly puts it deeply into perspective doesn't it?
It's true this is one of many reports that paints Chavez as the phenomenon, rather than what it is: democratic expression taking a few rare steps in favour of the rights of the poor majorities in the region.
I?m Honduran, and I understand what?s going on. I think that the action taken by the military and the congress wasn?t the best course of action. But they really tried to dissuade that donkey to stop his actions since they were illegal.
The people in Honduras know it, and they tried to peacefully stop it, we are a peaceful country after all, but you can?t reason with a donkey. Our president is a puppet from Chavez, and they were trying to institute a constitution based in communism similar to Venezuela or Cuba. We know we are a poor country, but at least we have freedom to some extent, the people in Venezuela, Bolivia, Cuba and all the other ALBA members are really screwed.
If Zelaya?s actions had good intentions, the people of Honduras would have supported him, but that wasn?t the case, they were motivated by the greedy ambition of Zelaya and Chavez to institute a dictator regime in our country. We just stand up and defended our freedom and rights; we don?t want Honduras to become another Venezuela or Cuba.
And Chavez reaction just supports my comment since he?s losing the investment he made in Zelaya. Honduras can peacefully rest today knowing that Chavez?s puppet is exiled from our land. And if that venezuelan dictator threatens to invade our country, I say bring it on, pig, you'll find more resistance that you think.
You say "If Zelaya?s actions had good intentions, the people of Honduras would have supported him." Well if you're so sure they won't support him why won't you let him have his referendum?
We know the answer, don't we? Because "people of Honduras" means you and your rich buddies, not the poor masses that you're trying to bring back to heel.
It is always good fun to be a saloon communist, living in Chelsea or Knightsbridge, shopping every weekend, and saying how people in other countries should live while not sacrificing everything yourself. I bet your annual income is several times that of most people in the UK, right? Hypocrite!
The truth is that Zelaya did NOT win by a landslide. If you were literate, you woould know that he won by 70,000 votes. Unless you talk of San MArino, that is not a landslide. And you also would know that he was NOT the Honduran Nelson Mandela. He is a greedy and corrupt politician who wants more power. His referendum was illegal, and the other powers (legislative, judiciary) tried to reason with him. Note - I am not endorsing the coup, just exposing the idiocy of stupid anti-american Europeans who think the US is behind absolutely everything that goes on in the world and that all Latin American leaders are saints. Well, they are not! Hugo Chavez is a dictator and he is not improving equality or living standards. That is not far-right propaganda, just facts. But of course, it is all well - closing tv stations and peersecuting the opposition is fine because they are just rich kids, right? Plus, he was elected.... yeah, the frst time... than it is just fraud, exactly like in Iran. Same in Bolivia. Evo Morales is the worst thing that happened to that poor country, but just because he is indegenous you think he is the Messiah. Well, that is not true. You are just a racist buying into the "good savage" idea. Race does not matter to people who are not racist. He can be an awful president despite his race. And he is an awful president. This is not the fault of the "rich" but just his own stupidity. He knows it, so he is using an electoral registry with up tu 40% faken entries! There is fraud and greed among these people. Not that you would know, because you are mentally limited
I am glad Zelaya is gone. I hope Chavez, Morales, Correa and Castro are next.
So, Fin-d-empire. I want to know how much of a hypocrite you are. You are under a pseudonym, so that is pretty anonymous. I want to knwo in which part of the UK you live, and how much is your annual income. I bet you are a saloon communist who dresses with designer clothes. Am I in the ballpark?
Just to pick on one of the other things on which you tend to be consistently wrong or tendentious: Chavez chose not to renew a TV station's license when that station had among others openly committed the crime of supporting a coup d'etat -not a legitimate use of the airwaves by any stretch of the imagination. Note that Chavez did not in general press charges against those oligarchs who organised the coup. Note also that BY DEFINITION a license is something that is granted -or not- at the discretion of the licensor, who is fully entitled to refuse or grant it. So it is well within the rights of the government to do so. Much as you approve of their TV programmes.
"Not all Latin American leaders are saints", no: another brilliant insight! And the US does not necessarily approve everything the deeply rotten, parastical, unpatriotic Latin American right wing does.
Your arguments against Morales consist in inventing that "Fin d'Empire" likes him because he is indigenous. I grant, you are right for what it's worth that he CAN be an awful president despite his "race" (a notion you appear to be troubled by and no-one else) but as far as I have seen he has the best interests of the poor majority at heart, and spends every waking moment struggling to improve their lot -not an awful president but a selfless, dedicated one.
I thank you,
Chanch.
Zelaya's party's candidate got 44,2% in 2001, Zelaya officially got 49,9% vs 46,2% for Lobo. Exit polls however gave Zelaya 50,6% and Lobo 44,3%, but of course the election commission was under Lobo' control and delayed announcing the results for 10 days, time enough to massage the numbers to make Zelaya's lead look less impressive.
Any party that increases its vote 10% in 4 years and turns the tables on the ruling party has won by a landslide, especially in a corrupt and criminal Yank banana republic like Honduras where the ruling party has all the advantages.
By definition, any country who does not renew a tv station's license just because they show to the world the side you don't want the world to see, is dictatorial. And about globovision, I guess you didn't read what is going on now with it, right? You just think that Chavez is a champion and that is it, ight? And the difference between one and the other is that when I disapprove of a tv show, i do not shut it down.
Morales IS an awful president who spends his every waking moment trying to get more power, not trying AT ALL to improve anybody's lot except his own. Get your facts right.
For someone so eager to shout 'freedom' whenever he (she?) sees something that smells of 'communism', how long do you think the US government would tolerate one of its own media outlets advocating a violent overthrow of the White House? In fact, how long would ANY Western nation tolerate that? Not for a damn minute and you know it; the only difference between this and what Chavez actually did is that it occured in a country that the West regards as 'subversive'.
And as for dictatorial countries, this may come as a severe shock to you but the last I checked you actually live in one. George Bush, as we all know, wasn't elected into office in his first term; Al Gore was. And yet there he remained, surpassing all expectations (as far as rampant 21st imperialism is concerned) and enshrining in law a number of things that all thinking people regard as unethical, illegal and immoral.
Oh the irony.
I'm "under a pseudonym" and you're not? Who's the fucking hypocrite?
Hugo Chavez "is a dictator who is not improving equality or living standards?" Are you for real? Who do you think you're trying to fool, kindergarteners?
If Morales is fraudulent and greedy what's the governor of Santa Cruz who conspires with the US ambassador (caught on TV) and hires mercenaires (also caught on TV) to top up the rich landowners' own goon squads to kill Morales and start a civil war?
If Chavez is a dictator for "closing TV stations and persecuting the opposition" how come Globovision, the main network that backed his would-be assassins in their failed Yank-backed coup every step of the way and still pays Yank & Brit journalists for their fake Chavez stories in the West's Wurlitzer media, is still happily up & running and broadcasting not just in Venezuela but a shitload of other countries through affiliates like CNN?
You dope-peddling "true Hondurans" are getting your knickers all twisty for nothing. None of the Bolivarian leaders of Latin America have lined anyone against the wall or confiscated their ill-begotten loot. Your ass is safe, unless you start looking for a fight. And if you do, know that the days when Uncle Sam sent the Marines to save you comprador bastards' bacon are gone forever.
OH! And it is typical of the demagoguery of you left wingers. Instead of defending Morales with real arguments, you attack the opposition. Do you think I care for the SCZ goverenor? Not at all. But also, should get it right. Saluting a public person in a public place is not a conspiracy, except in your little che-guevara worshipping mind.
The fact is that Evo Morales is useless as president. He lost bolivia several markets and now people are losing jobs and living in poverty because if that. Not that you care - you didn't lose anything. And ok, now it's his fault, right? It's the neoliberals' who made Bolvia dependent on trade? My GOD!
Ok, I want to hear a real argument about Morales, not just saying that the opposition is worse. The quality of the opposition does not improve Morales' inability as president.
I want you to talk about: The increase of cocaine production in the Chapare - where he is boss of the coca growers/ Union.
The fact that his minister was acquited of wrongdoing in the case of the 33 trucks full fo smuggled merchandise.
YPFB. Here we have a lot. Santos Ramirez, all the decrees that EVO made and that allow his cronies to spend the firm's money without any controls. Him buying a stake from the evil multinationals without any appraisal of the goods and then pusting the whistleblower when it turns out that he overpaid the share price and also got compromised to pay the outstanding debt.
Making a massacre in Pando
The electoral fraud! Did you know that even the people HE appointed to the CNE (Electoral Court) admitted that the current registry is 40% wrong? And it is with this registry that he won a referendum?
That he publicly said that he didn;t care for laws? That he says that he only does whatever he feels like doing and it is his lawyer army that legalizes it by bending laws?
I could go on forever... Bu sadly have no time.
So, TELL ME!! Because i want to know. What did Evo Morales that was good. Yeah, ok, the Santa Cruz guy is a baddie, but I want you to tell me what Morales did that was right. Got it?
If not, go hug your che guevara t-shit and stop whining here.
If Morales is a fuckup then he'll get voted out, just as Chavez's bid to become president-for-life was voted down. Apparently the Bolivian oligarchy isn't as sure as your are that Morales will screw up since they are constantly trying to topple him by force.
This was a golpe de estado en toda regla. ?donkey' Zelaya? You're the donkey if you can't get it round your thick head that the Constitution of 1982 was imposed during the Reagan era precisely to avoid a true democracy in Honduras. It was designed to maintain the oligarchies in power.
Secondly according to the Honduran Constitution and the Ley Constitutiva de las Fuerzas Armadas of 2001, the President is the Commander General of the Armed Forces and as such can chose and sack 'libremente' the Head of the Armed Forces.
The referendum which has now obviously been aborted, was simply to ask a question, which was if the citizens of Honduras wanted a 4th urn in the elections of November. If as the golpistas such as you claim there was no support for Zelaya, why all the fuss then? Just let him ask his question and the majority will vote no.
So you are lying.
This is what the Western Wurlitzer media has been doing ever since Chavez was elected. Either it lambasts him or it butters up putschists who attempt to unseat him or other popular "Bolivarian" Latin American leaders like Bolivia's Morales and Honduras's born-again-Bolivaran Zelaya.
Does anyone think that the Yanks would not intervene if one of their last remaining mass-butchering, torturing allies like Uribe of Colombia were to be toppled by a coup?
You didn't see that story become headline news, did you? But if the Yank stooge Uribe had been executing a new stage of the Yank-sponsored "Plan Colombia" war on his own people, you could be sure that the Wurlitzer media cheerleaders squad would be out on the field telling you what a great job Uribe was doing and how evil the FARC were.
Honduras was the Yanks' longtime trusty fascist ally, from whose territory they could stage all sorts of mischief all over Central America, like when the US ambassador in Tegucigalpa was directing the murders of Catholic priests and nuns in El Salvador. The Honduran comprador oligarchy is deeply fascist and ever since the former right-wing politician Zelaya had an epiphany and turned Bolivarian, they have been trying to unseat him, primarily by using the judiciary, much like the so-called "secularists" in Turkey have been doing to the popular leader Erdogan. It was Zelaya's attempt to call a constitutional referendum and his firing of the chief of the military that prompted the coup.
Notice how Obomber still hasn't condemned the coup? Even the OAS has but all that Obomber has uttered so far is one single sentence saying he's "concerned" and warning against "outside intervention." How hard is it to say "restore the legally elected president to power and go back to your barracks or I'll cut off your aid?"
Clearly, Obomber doesn't want to say anything to discourage the putschists when they're almost home free.
("We recognize Zelaya as the duly elected and constitutional president of Honduras. We see no other," the official, who spoke on condition of anonymity, told reporters in a conference call organized by the U.S. State Department. http://www.reuters.com/article/topN
The ambiguity of "we see" no other is disconcerting for now.
Amazing how the old stories about the leftist 'dictators' still abound despite those being some of the most democratic countries in the world, with true people participation (unlike our western nations).
Al
Correct me if I am wrong?
There was supposed to be a referendum, in which the president might have won, or would have won? So how can a Supreme Court, order a military take over in such circumstances?
Clearly legal a referendum is, the will of the people to change life and law. Practiced everywhere actually.
Second in the Westminster system, any Prime Minister can run for as long as he likes, so long as he has the support off his party and his party wins elections. So what is so wrong in terms of tenure in relation to presidents running for re-election-after term?
Take for Example Russia, it has fixed terms and I assure you if if Putin wanted to stay president, by referendum he would have won by a landslide, he did not and decided to do it another way and likely he will be president again, all legal. Its about time South American Govs stopped tolerating such things, the South American Military (all schooled in the Terrorists schools of the USA )should have nails pounded in there muzzles to keep there vicious and corrupt jaws from being unleashed by their Master and Teachers, the Americans. God bless America, because "No ONE Else Will" Except Satan!
Manuel Zelaya was impeached by Congress, the impeachment was certified by the Supreme Court, because he insisted in carrying out an unconstitutional referendum to extend his mandate beyond 2009.
The referendum was to take place the day he was ousted, so the military was asked and forced to act by Congress as an emergency to avoid the consummation of what all Hondurans saw as the end of democracy.
Go to Honduras and ask the people to see if they are happy, not the leftists in Europe or the USA.
Where were the voices of protest of those who now shed their garments, when Hugo Chavez "democratically" using illegal, fraudulent referendums, finished democracy in Venezuela?
Where were those who didn't protest the coup by referendum that would take place last Sunday in Honduras?
You say:Manuel Zelaya was impeached by Congress, the impeachment was certified by the Supreme Court, because he insisted in carrying out an unconstitutional referendum to extend his mandate beyond 2009.
Answer:
The referendum was not unconstitutional because it NEVER occurred and could not be argued othwerwise ??
Are you loopy?
The fact the supreme court, as all Democratic Supreme Courts would allow, "referendums are normal" unless of course you are supportive of a Narco Trafficante State such as Columbia as it would seem Honduras is?, Not to subject yourself to the will of the people by vote and Yes a referendum is a Vote--By the people?
Obtusa please, the referendum was not illegal and never would be in any state with some semblance of decency.
And please don't insult people who understand what democracy means. Your comments in relation to democracy are woeful at best. You the Gago, the Concha, torpe has the audacity to insult our world intelligence by asking us to understand your Pretzel logic on Democratic Processi?? We only understand the people of Honduras voted the deposed president in and the military took him out.
Please stop your childish nonsense in relation to lecturing the more informed and more educated in respect to democracy.
If Zelaya had been allowed to continue he would have executed a plan to install a dictatorship similar to that in Venezuela, following cues from his mentor, Hugo Chavez.
Though Zelaya has some support from leftist groups in Honduras, the vast majority of Honduras were highly dissatisfied with his government, disturbed by his ambitions to remain in power, and are highly relieved that the civil government has stopped him. And most Hondurans do not want to see Zelaya back.
Unfortunately, Zelaya and his allies (Chavez from Venezuela and Ortega from Nicaragua) have succeeded in manipulating the international media into believing that he is the victim of a military coup and that the Honduran people support him and want him back. Sadly, leaders from US and Europe have not yet got enough information to understand what has really happened and are condemning Zelaya's removal from power, while most Hondurans are actually celebrating it and fear his return.
Now the Honduran people are worried about Zelaya attempting to regain power through an invasion from Nicaragua, with help from Chavez and Ortega.
For your comments about being a rich guy, you're dead wrong; I'm a normal citizen from the middle-lower working class of our country, with enough education to have at least a decent job. The only benefit I get from all this is to retain the little freedom that I have left. I'm at the risk of losing my job since I'm currently working at a government agency that supported zelaya, but you know what, I'm happy because I know that even if I lost my job, and even if the world is against us, we are not going to suffer anymore from the outrageous actions of that clown that is only a puppet bought with Venezuelan and Cuban money.
And "sketchley" I'm not a donkey (since I have at least a Master's degree, not like our great EX-president that didn't even finished college), and I don't think I understand what's going on because I'm Honduran, and I don't give two fucks if your niece was the great great great granddaughter of "frijol el terrible", I understand what?s going on because I was there when that jackass stomped on the congress decision about a "simple referendum", if the congress says no because is illegal, why the fuck would he insist, yeah... because of that constituent assembly that would maintain his position as president, just like his good old friend chavez, why didn't he make that referendum at the start of his regime, why would he wait till his last year as president... that's right to maintain his position as president. He didn't respect the congress decision, the same way he didn't respected the Supreme Court, the military, the Finance Secretary (he didn?t even delivered this year budget to finance as a measure to get approval for his ?simple referendum?), and he doesn?t respect anyone. He felt he was god like, untouchable and was becoming a serious threat not just for the groups in power in our country, but for the population as whole.
I don't care if you see us a golpists, we did what was needed to be done to maintain order in our country. I know that Honduras is managed by a group of few, and I know that I can't expect good opportunities in this country since that group of elitist receive all of them, but at least they don't mess with our freedom like the castroism and chavism.
And as you all know by now (since apparently you know my country so well) there?s an international order to arrest that criminal for all the laws that he has broken during his regime.
Thanks and good bye, apparently you can't reason with such uninformed and short minded persons.
It seems I wasn't the only one who took his threat seriously.Literally the next day the middle class whites and mestizo righwingers and local xenophobes who only the day before had been joyously celebrating the keeping of the indian poor in their place with a swift, corrective coup in the name of 'democracy' were walking around the centre of town with their heads down.They knew Chavez would go in.No question: even if Bush had sent the US in Chavez would have fought.No question.
And had he gone into Bolivia he would have been defending a socially liberal, transparently elected majority government with a socialistic economic policy from racists, extreme rightwing conservative oligarchs and even ideological fascists.If you want to see a similar mix, the closest I would say are the Spanish Nationalists of Franco's time.
If you want to understand the mentality of the real latin opposition and their ideological allies, check the comments pages accompanying the coverage given by the Wall Street Journal.I'm not sure yet whether it's morally disgusting or just plain scary.No doubt time will form an opinion for me.But these are the rabid extremists people like Chavez, Zelaya and Morales are up against.You need to understand this to understand their implacability and tenacity.
So when I hear 'the people' of Honduras on the BBC cheering the coup in fluent American English, and using almost exactly the same arguments that were used against Morales, and which I knew from living there to be 100% fallacious, I find it very difficult indeed to believe that Zelaya, who is the democratically elected head of Honduras, has suddenly lost all his support in a polarised environment, which you'd think would have the opposite effect.
I would expect most of the Honduran poor, in line with the rest of the Latin American poor, not to know any english but a few joke words, and the middle class there - the people who have a massively disproportionate voice, unless of course the poor happen to vote in a reformist President in which case they have to be removed - are no bastion of liberalism and egalitarianism, but often a bulwark against it.
I would hope moves have already been made to withdraw our diplomatic representation in protest.
Or have this shower of shit of a 'Labour' government's standards plumbed an even further expanse of cowardice?
Need I ask?