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Oprah defends her 'experts' accused of talking nonsense

Controversy rages over dubious medical advice dispensed on show watched by tens of millions

By Guy Adams in Los Angeles

Today on the Oprah Winfrey show: balderdash, superstition and a dose of iffy medical advice from some New Age healthcare "gurus" who certainly haven't been recommended by your doctor.

The world's most influential chat show host has been thrust to the centre of a heated debate, following allegations that she has abused her legendary influence to help peddle alternative treatments that are ineffective, expensive and dangerous.

Ms Winfrey, below, whose advice on fashion, literature and pretty much everything else is treated like gospel by tens of millions of Americans, was last week forced to speak out against criticism of the doctors and health "experts" who preach from her billion-dollar sofa.

In a lengthy cover story headlined "Crazy talk: Oprah, wacky cures, and you", Newsweek dissected the credentials of Winfrey's favourite talking heads, accusing her of failing to differentiate between bona fide medical professionals and opinionated imposters who simply "gush nonsense." The 6,000 word article claimed guests have offered questionable endorsements of ineffective new plastic surgery techniques, unproven hormone therapies and dangerous cancer "cures".

Among those named was the actress Suzanne Somers, 62, who in January was allowed to sing the praises of the 60 different dietary supplements, together with various "bioidentical hormones", she takes each day to fight ageing. Most have no proven benefits. Also mentioned was Jenny McCarthy, the actress and partner of Jim Carrey, who used a recent appearance on the programme to claim that the MMR vaccine had caused her son's autism. Despite overwhelming scientific evidence that there is no such link, McCarthy's comments passed "virtually unchallenged", Newsweek's article said.

Most bizarrely of all, Winfrey allowed a physician called Christiane Northrup to claim – in contradiction to almost all scientific evidence – that "in many women, thyroid dysfunction develops because of an energy blockage in the throat region [after] a lifetime of 'swallowing' words one is aching to say".

On Thursday, amid mounting controversy, Winfrey issued a statement to the TV show Entertainment Tonight. It failed to address any of Newsweek's individual concerns, but instead claimed her audience was educated enough to make their own decisions about healthcare. "For 23 years, my show has presented thousands of topics that reflect the human experience, including doctors' medical advice and personal health stories that have prompted conversations between our audience members and healthcare providers," it read. "I trust viewers, and know that they are smart and discerning enough to seek out medical opinions to determine what may be best for them."

That line of argument is unlikely to cut much ice with scientific experts, though. Winfrey's personal "brand" relies firmly on her ability to inspire trust and tap into the hearts, minds and wallets of Middle America. "It's about time one of the big media players pointed out that she has been promoting fake therapies," said P Z Myers, a prominent scientific commentator and associate professor at the University of Minnesota. Despite Winfrey's "message of positive self-esteem for women", he described the theories some of her guests have advanced as "credulous glop".

The controversy comes at an unwelcome time for Winfrey, whose business empire has suffered during the recent financial downturn. The circulation of her magazine, O, has fallen by around 10 per cent, while her afternoon TV show is currently drawing just over six million viewers, down from more than nine million in 2004. Although her Chicago-based business, Harpo, remains highly profitable (she made an estimated $275m last year) some commentators wonder whether, at 55, Winfrey can carry on for ever.

In a further sign of the times, Forbes magazine last week announced that, for the first time in recent years, it had dethroned Winfrey from the number-one spot on its "Power List" of the world's most influential celebrities, in favour of Angelina Jolie. "Oprah is still our biggest earner, but when it comes to fame, Angelina Jolie is hands down the most famous woman on the planet," said Macey Rose, a senior editor at the title.

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Scientific Experts?
[info]dr_julien_arbor wrote:
Sunday, 7 June 2009 at 02:06 am (UTC)
While I certainly don't agree with everthing that Oprah and her guests say... perhaps you should consider the opinions of some additional scientific and medical experts.

Remember how they laughed at Susan Sommers when she chose alt/com medicine to treat her breast cancer?

http://www.thyroid-info.com/articles/somers.htm

http://www.iscador.com/index.aspx

http://www.cancer.gov/cancertopics/pdq/cam/mistletoe/healthprofessional

http://www.cmaj.ca/cgi/reprint/158/9/1157.pdf

I would suggest that you do a bit more investigation before you report on health issues and be more inclusive of alternative/complementary medical perspectives and research... of which there would be considerably more of if the pharmaceutical industry wasn't the primary financial backer of that research.

You might start with the neuroprotective benefits of progesterone....

http://cat.inist.fr/?aModele=afficheN&cpsidt=18938777

And preferably bioidentical... like those "crazy creams" that Susan Sommers uses...

http://www.johnleemd.com/store/pgattack.html

The same goes for iodine...

http://www.iccidd.org/

http://www.medical-hypotheses.com/article/S0306-9877(08)00289-2/abstract

http://edrv.endojournals.org/cgi/content/abstract/er.2009-0011v1

http://www.optimox.com/pics/Iodine/opt_Research_I.shtml

(There are also problems associated with the use of high-level iodine supplementation in certain populations and research on this is forthcoming.)

As well as saliva testing...

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16360219

http://hubpages.com/hub/tests-for-adrenal-fatigue

Allopathic medicine and the FDA's track records speak for themselves!

And given that you've also focused on women in this article... how fitting that Dr. Northrup would be including an article about The Battle Of The Sexes Revisited on her website...

http://www.drnorthrup.com/news/news_article.php

http://www.drnorthrup.com/

You can put away your Hammer... we've got science to back us up now! *lol*

http://www.malleusmaleficarum.org/
Re: Scientific Experts?
[info]mr_scummy wrote:
Sunday, 7 June 2009 at 11:06 am (UTC)

So once in a while these quacks get lucky.

Faced with a choice between a well tested science-based mainstream medicine and some artitrary concoction of herbs or whatever brewed by a self-appointed charismatic "expert", the probability of success lies with the former. I know which I would choose.
Oprah's world
[info]jes_fine wrote:
Sunday, 7 June 2009 at 02:30 am (UTC)

"The darkness is vast and the campfire is small."

It is tragic that Ms Winfrey has not used her far reaching influence for the forces of light.
Medical experts eh ?
[info]mounty1 wrote:
Sunday, 7 June 2009 at 04:13 am (UTC)
These are the experts whose university syllabuses are pretty much specified by the drug companies, right ?
Bogus advice and cures just might work
[info]chewsname4me wrote:
Sunday, 7 June 2009 at 06:43 am (UTC)
Had great luck with Somer's hormone cure for hot flashes. She saved my life. She was right, biodentical estrogen patches is the only thing that works. I had tried everything else including herbs and homeopathics. For ten years nothing worked. Suzanne enabled me to eldercare my parents and keep them outta nursing homes.
Meeja reporting the meejah
[info]drg40 wrote:
Sunday, 7 June 2009 at 08:12 am (UTC)
Did someone in the US ring up Winfrey and tell her it was a dull day so could she create some news.

Methinks time for difficult thoughts about hard journalism and not trashy reports on other parts of the meeja.

After all, if the meeja didn't hype up the Yank meeja in the UK the sound of wild disinterest would be deafening.

AFAICS Winfrey can advertise whatever she likes in the US, and only by reporting her show can you advirtise the products in the UK. OOOOPS?
Donald
[info]adullamite wrote:
Sunday, 7 June 2009 at 08:13 am (UTC)
I keep hearing Donald Duck!
Quack! Quack! Quack!
Crap talking guests
[info]brinksman wrote:
Sunday, 7 June 2009 at 09:14 am (UTC)
No one talks more crap than Oprah's guests. They are like propaganda machines on mega doses of caffeine. Oprah is quickly becoming the cancelled Richard and Judy show of America: totally irrelevant and to be avoided at all costs by intelligent people.
Quacks
[info]paulm39083 wrote:
Sunday, 7 June 2009 at 11:39 am (UTC)
this is exactly the kind of response that a long list of brilliant scientists recieved from the FDA, AMA, NCI, etc when they discovered and proved that some treatments for cancer actually worked but they were low cost and not patentable, the drug co's went nuts and their cohorts.. the listed associations put the squeeze on these great medical men and women .. despite a long list of patients who testified as to how they were " cured" if anyone thinks that our medical community isn't in the tank they must live on a different planet. Cancer........? sure here are the treatments......... surgery. radiation, chemo. pain, massive illness, death ,,,,,,,,,, over and over and over again for thousands and thousands of dollars.. come on america wake up ......... they are killing us and making millions doing it, we must look at alternatives,,,,,,,,,, sure there are quakes out there but they also reside in your local hospital .. in every oncologists office,,, ask them if they would take chemo ,,, answer is no it doesn't work . .they lie for the money.. whew........... sorry.. does anyone know anyone who has or has had cancer... ? alternatives do work.. mainstream hates that.... and they write articles exactly like the one we are responding to exactly.... it is uncanny
Re: Quacks
[info]drmagyar wrote:
Sunday, 7 June 2009 at 01:43 pm (UTC)
My sister, a doctor married to a biochemical engineer, just got recently treated for cancer with chemo and monoclonal antibodies. Luckily she is in remission but with no illusions she knows it will come back one day and kill her (unless a cure is found of course). Let me tell you, if there was some miracle cure out there these people would know it and use it. She started a milk free diet with organic vegetables, which she know won't do anything, but just in case.

If and when there is a simple cure for cancer, we will all use it, period. But don't let science get in the way of your paranoid delusions.
Re: Quacks
[info]paulm39083 wrote:
Monday, 8 June 2009 at 10:59 am (UTC)
It is always good for a cancer patient to be in remission, always. as to whether there is a simple cure for cancer, no that probably is not in the cards, but in the past there have been a least ten perhaps more. treatments that had tremendous success, these remendies were sqaushed like a bug by the AMA along with the FDA and the drug co's , no to say that if there were a cure that we would all know about it is just flat wrong and incredible naive, follow the money. do some reseach start with the Hoxsey protocol and go from there, soon you will discover the awful truth for yourself.. and it ain't pretty
Super 'fems' like Oprah are way out of their depth.
[info]collin_brown wrote:
Sunday, 7 June 2009 at 11:46 am (UTC)
The artificial empowerment of women above that of their cognitive reasoning abilities is starting to really backfire.

Women across America are deeply upset by a wall of silence that's being put up by men. Clearly, women still like men. But they have little idea how the proponents of feminism are dividing them.

Research link (1) Video format: http://tinyurl.com/r9vpww

general guide to the mechanics of Feminism: Video format: http://tinyurl.com/r7kz79
Re: Super 'fems' like Oprah are way out of their depth.
[info]zahradelaplata wrote:
Sunday, 7 June 2009 at 04:12 pm (UTC)
[quote]The artificial empowerment of women above that of their cognitive reasoning abilities is starting to really backfire.[end quote]

Artificial empowerment of women above of their cognitive reasoning... yeah, next thing you'll tell us is the rightness of eugenics, right? Brilliant. *headdesk*

Me thinks someone is longing for the ol' good days were men were lords of their castles (homes). Sorry, pal, those times WON'T be back. We (females) are NOT going to let that happen.
Re: Super 'fems' like Oprah are way out of their depth.
[info]collin_brown wrote:
Sunday, 7 June 2009 at 04:24 pm (UTC)
You are entitled to that opinion. Just bear in mind, that men are turning their backs on unnatural females everywhere.

A wall of silence may descend upon you which could be the only contact you'll have with males of the future.

That link again: http://tinyurl.com/r9vpww
You are biased
[info]goingtorain wrote:
Sunday, 7 June 2009 at 01:43 pm (UTC)
Why do you single out Oprah for attack when the guests you describe have promoted their views all over the media (Larry King, The Early Show, the View). I agree with those who believe that Oprah is being attacked because she's become too rich and influential for a black woman; notice how these attacks come shortly after she used her influence to elect a black man president. Oprah's interviewed over 10,000 people, of course you can always cherry pick a handful of controversial guests. Also, why don't you get your own facts straight? Suzanne Somers does not inject anything in her vagina. You mindlessly swallow anything they print in Newsweek. Check out Somers response to these attacks on her blog (btw Somers sent Newsweek dozens of studies and they were completely ignored): http://www.suzannesomers.com/Blog/post/Two-Scariest-Women-on-the-Planet.aspx#comment
Oprah and her Team of Rubbish Spewers Defining the American Persona
[info]evilbadpaul wrote:
Sunday, 7 June 2009 at 05:45 pm (UTC)
If American women can put aside their google eyed absorption of "Oprah" and take a deep hard look at what this woman is peddling, their own dysfunctional, ignorance and brittle emotional state would become painfully apparent. Take "Dr" Phil for example. One day I decided to force myself to bear the torture and remain seated through one of his "talk shows". The man said nothing but pure unadulterated bullshit and nonsense. Small wonder Americans let these TV charlatans and TV evangelists to define their culture and “Americanism” given they are seriously emotionally, spiritually and morally bankrupt.
Scientists... the new high priests (experts)
[info]cruise4 wrote:
Sunday, 7 June 2009 at 06:13 pm (UTC)
I don't agree with every last word Oprah has to say but science is becoming unglued, proven home to the fraudster, the greedy grant seeker, the big pharma whore, the politically corrupt, the modern mengeler's, the promoters of poison, the biologically naive, the ill-trained, the suppressors of information.... basically a bunch of quacks. Cures mean 'no patients'. From a cap[italist and/or corporate viewpoint, 'repeat customers' and 'treatments' sounds much better than 'cured' or 'cures'. You trust scientists and you really take your life in your hands. Do your own research. Believe nothing until you check the information for yourselves. You will find lies are everywhere, and no shortage in so called scientific areas.
jenny Mccarthy
[info]richardgallardo wrote:
Sunday, 7 June 2009 at 06:20 pm (UTC)
Jenny Maccarthy is not far off when making a claim that the MMR causes Autism.. The Wakefield study supportsher claim. Countless Parents reported an unusaully high pitch scream after their child recieved an MMR shot. Simply look at the stattistics of when the MMR shot was introduced and the rate of Autism reports. Coincident?
Lovely Oprah...
[info]rogerblake wrote:
Sunday, 7 June 2009 at 06:44 pm (UTC)
Ah, Oprah. The lovely trustworthy billionaire who attends secret Bilderberg meetings and is used by them to carry out their agenda. But... of course... "loves" her audience and wants what's best for us... i.e. No freedom and no money.
[info]sahajack wrote:
Sunday, 7 June 2009 at 06:49 pm (UTC)
hmmm...one has to wonder where the vitriol behind this article comes from......and as for no evidence on mmr...dr andrew wakefield-royal free children's hospital london-2001?-mmr directly related to autism....forced resignation 3 weeks later..very suprised that the independent has allowed this article...pressure from Glaxo Glaxo and Glaxo?...advertising...
Oprah is smarter then you or me!
[info]ts830 wrote:
Sunday, 7 June 2009 at 08:10 pm (UTC)
Oprah has built an empire from scratch. She is one of the most famous and most respected woman in the world. She didn't get there by presenting the status quo mediocrity constantly. Can you imagine how if she had mainstream doctors on talking about how drugs help their patients, how boring that would be? First and foremost Oprah is an entertainer and in the process she tries to bring information (alternative or not) to her viewing audience and like she saids we all have brains, we can make our own decisions for ourselves. I think it is important to present all views on a subject whether vaccinations or health supplements, the meat industry, etc. If you want a mediocre program that is politically correct then watch the evening news otherwise shut up!
What about reporting on the rubbish peddled by the medical profession
[info]scribery wrote:
Monday, 8 June 2009 at 12:16 am (UTC)
I grew up with a number of health problems that made my life very difficult and were made all the more difficult by doctors. I started looking at 'alternative' treatments in my early twenties and twenty years later have had far more success with 'alternative' treatments than medical treatments.

I have a genetic auto-immune condition. I grew up with severe psoriasis, major stomach problems, a hearing impairment. After eating and drinking certain things I couldn't concentrate, had severe anxiety and could barely communicate. I had an ovary out at 19 and difficulty with kidney stones, then severe PMT following a followup operation for the ovary.

Dr's advised me my psoriasis was incurable. They didn't even bother addressing the other issues. Never once addressed the emotional issues. Treatment included: get out in the sun as much as possible leaving me with high risk of melanomas. Covering and ingesting heaps of cortisone with long term implications I only worked out in my twenties. They would get all their doctors to stand around and stare at me because I was a medical curiosity. Stuff my feelings. Six months after I had an ovary out, a doctor told me to take a medication for psoriasis that would affect fertility. When I pointed out that I didn't want to put my body under any more risk. He looked at me bitterly and said, 'Well, you're not having children in the next 6 months are you?'

When I started getting severe PMT that I'd never had before the operation, doctor's continuously dismissed it and wouldn't even discuss it. Instead they wanted to test my iron levels, blah, blah - more money for them.
They scoffed at any attempts to try anything different when they had no answers and what they did made my symptoms worse and quite frankly, made it a lot harder mentally.

Over the years I worked out, I am allergic to pharmaceutical drugs - They give me psoriasis, arthritic symptoms and flu like symptoms.

After each of two operations, I didn't eat for four days and all my symptoms cleared up. When I tried to tell this to doctors they completely dismissed it.

Using a combination of diet (cutting out gluten, dairy, citrus and nightshade), visualisation and EFT (Emotional Freedom Technique - a kind of acupressure treatment) I cleared my skin. I also managed to reduce the stomach problems.

I have recently discovered something called MMS that has cleared the stomach problems, anxiety, allergic reactions. I now find it easier to concentrate and do my work.

Yet, these all come under those 'bizarre' treatments doctors dismiss, because apparently it's much less bizarre to put toxic drugs in your system with major side effects.

I have no time for doctors. They're idiots. If I was still under medical treatment, I would quite frankly have topped myself. They do nothing for the body and they certainly do nothing for the mental health of those dealing with chronic illness. They are more driven by their egos, profits and pharmaceutical companies than a need to help people.

I'm not someone who blindly follows any tenets. I'm reasonably intelligent with 4 degrees. It took a long time to find something that worked for me, basically because doctors are selfish, more interested in prestige and won't consider that some of these supposedly bizarre treatments worked. It would have saved a lot of heartache, money and jobs for me.




mainstream
[info]mariejoy wrote:
Monday, 8 June 2009 at 12:46 am (UTC)
In an era where the FDA is as corrupt as the congress (well, almost) and Senators are allowed to take millions from banksters as gifts and bribes under the guise of campaign contributions, in an era where the fourth estate is owned lock stock and ethics by 2 or 3 companies, and not one of them has the moral fortitude to tell the truth, in an era when even the most respected politicians are morally bankrupt and corrupt to the core, mainstream media goes after Oprah and Suzanne Sommers. Such bravery!

The world is falling apart because the fourth estate has lost it's gonads and doesn't have the will to report on THE MOST CORRUPT CONGRESS AND FOURTH ESTATE IN THE HISTORY OF AMERICA. God help us all.



Allopathic alternatives
[info]acudoc1949 wrote:
Monday, 8 June 2009 at 12:47 am (UTC)
Iatrogenic disease is one of the most common causes of death, right up there with heart disease and cancer...this from the Journal of the American Medical Association.

Whoops...
Consider this
[info]drgayle wrote:
Monday, 8 June 2009 at 01:23 am (UTC)
As a health care professional and natural health expert I am often concerned about some of the material from Oprah's guests, especially Dr Oz. I am also certainly not in favor of what comes from Bob Greene's mouth and have written about his corporate underwriting and unhealth suggestions.

What infuriates me more is the invalid opinions propagandized by the media and press agencies like AP etc. One might think at least these wirters would interview better sources than dieticians and the fraudulent operation know as quackwatch. Even CSPI thinks a chlorocarbon knonw as sucralose is safe.

I often am interviwed by the media and Im happy to take on Oprah or speak with any other journalist to offer factual and known science about natural products.

What you read is really not the case.
Scientific Experts
[info]naturalrule wrote:
Monday, 8 June 2009 at 03:40 am (UTC)
I remember when evidence based medicine emcompassed the practitioner and patients experiences. The new requirements of double blind, placebo, cross over, randomised trials is rarely practiced in many studies I have read in so called highly reputed medical journals. So what if it doesn't fit into the current medical fraternities view. I agree that not all treatments will suit all people. This is what makes us all individuals. Stop regarding everyone as a cow. As for MMR causing autism, let me clarify that some in the medical community believe that it is caused by a concurrent viral/bacterial infection with similar proteins to those in MMR which stimulates the body's immune system into a dysfunctional state. Get off Oprah's back. If a guest relates a personal experience it doesn't make it any less valid simply because everyone else is not doing the same thing. Perhaps we should take notice and broaden our horizons. The convential medical practices kill more people than alternatives that promote health and prevention rather than their symptomatic treatments.
"Dr" Julien Arbor
[info]jack_dawes wrote:
Monday, 8 June 2009 at 03:47 pm (UTC)
Dr Julien Arbor wrote:

" While I certainly don't agree with everthing that Oprah and her guests say... perhaps you should consider the opinions of some additional scientific and medical experts. "

.... of whom Dr Julien Arbor is most certainly not one. S/he(?) has no medical qualifications whatsoever, s/he is a psychologist (allegedly).

The peddling of woo by Oprah has been referred to more than once on the Bad Science forum (www.badscience.net), which IS run by a fully qualified medical doctor.
Oprah defends her 'experts' accused of talking nonsense
[info]skepticaled wrote:
Monday, 8 June 2009 at 08:01 pm (UTC)
At 71 I've seen a lot of the world from my sofa thanks to TV. Oprah is the best evidence for the low level of intelligence exemplified by her vast audience which can be sold anything coming down the pike. Watching her audience react to everything that is presented is pitiful. I'm sure many in her audience had some high education but you don't see that the education resulted in in logic, common sense and reason since Ms Winfrey fails to exhibit such. Fortunately, it is easy for some of us to see through her sham and ignore her and what she stands for.
oprah show reveals ....................
[info]xtiml wrote:
Tuesday, 9 June 2009 at 05:21 am (UTC)
what is wong oh so wong with american people. They actusally sit down and watch it.along with a dozen pretenders going on all day and night and even overnight.Then you can watch the so called poor white trash battle it out among themselves over sexual rivalries and loans never paid back.It is the lowest form of activity to watch let alone participate in as they are at the same level.with the new world order closing the gates to our own souls as fast as they can people still wallow in their lowest expressions of vital life using it for the lowest activity possible. while they laugfh and justify their abuse of the "masses" as demonsrably advisable and correct."just look at them,no wonder we need to control them, giving them freedom would be a disaster" so says anonymous bilderberger who produces the shows.

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