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Last Taliban stronghold captured by Pakistan army

House of slain militant commander demolished in symbolic revenge

By Andrew Buncombe, Asia Correspondent

Pakistan villagers

MUHAMMAD KASHIF/AFP/GETTY IMAGES

Villagers sift through the rubble of houses belonging to supporters of the Pakistan Taliban chief Baitullah Mehsud

Pakistani troops pushing deeper into South Waziristan yesterday razed the house of the militant leader Baitullah Mehsud, killed by a US drone strike this summer, as they assaulted the last of three Taliban strongholds.

Troops struck the village of Makeen, a major militant base and home town of the former Taliban leader. Officials said his house was destroyed in symbolic revenge for the hundreds of people killed by the Taliban. The soldiers are said to have met little resistance.

In the capital Islamabad, an army brigadier was leaving his home when gunmen on a motorcycle shot and wounded him, then sped away, the third such attack on senior army officers in two weeks. A soldier with the brigadier was also wounded; both were in civilian clothes. Hospital officials said the condition of both victims was stable. It is unknown whether the senior officer was involved in the South Waziristan operation.

The Pakistani authorities are keen to portray that operation, launched three weeks ago to target Taliban and al-Qa'ida fighters, as one that is steadily gathering momentum and has the militants on the run. Earlier this week intelligence officials shared with journalists what they said was an intercepted speech by the Pakistani Taliban leader, Hakimullah Mehsud, who warned his fighters that they will go to hell if they flee the army offensive.

"Remember, this is the commandment of God, that once fighting starts with the enemy you cannot leave the battlefield without permission from your commander, and don't look for excuses to run away from the fighting," he said, according to the Associated Press. "We are in jihad and we should not pay heed to the whispers of Satan. We should sacrifice our lives for Islam so that we can feel pride on the day of judgement."

Details of the South Waziristan incursion are impossible to verify because the army has ensured the conflict zone is effectively off-limits to the media. Makeen is the third of three strategic targets the military wanted to seize. The army claims that troops have already seized control of the other two, Sararogha and Ladha, and say that hundreds of insurgents have already been killed in the fighting; claims the Taliban deny.

The militants have launched a series of retaliatory strikes on civilian and official targets across Pakistan that have killed at least 300 people. Two weeks ago, other gunmen on a motorcycle shot and killed a brigadier and a soldier in an army jeep in what was believed to be the first assassination of an army officer in the capital. Less than a week later, gunmen attacked yet another brigadier as he was driving to a bank with his mother, but the pair escaped unharmed.

In the north-west of the country, police yesterday shot and killed two would-be suicide bombers. Police official Sajid Ali said the men opened fire on officers when their car was intercepted at a checkpoint in Balakot, a town in the North West Frontier Province. Police found two suicide vests and two bombs in the vehicle, said Mr Ali.

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Pot, Kettle, Black
[info]media_myths wrote:
Saturday, 7 November 2009 at 10:35 am (UTC)
"Remember, this is the commandment of God, that once fighting starts with the enemy you cannot leave the battlefield without permission from your commander, and don't look for excuses to run away from the fighting," he said, according to the Associated Press. "We are in jihad and we should not pay heed to the whispers of Satan. We should sacrifice our lives for Islam so that we can feel pride on the day of judgement."

Where are all you Taliban loving self loathers now? Will any of you be posting any criticisms of this drivel? This bullying and cajoling of ill-educated peasants? Any of you gloating at their deaths like you do every time a British soldier is killed?

These are the same people who have been grooming children to be suicide bombers, the same people who use civilians as human shields, the same people who throw acid into the faces of women who want an education, the same people who pour across the border into Afghanistan and hold swathes of the population to ransom and the same people that will plant an IED in a market place to kill a few soldiers while also killing dozens of civilians. Are these the actions of a liberation guerilla force? Anything to say? Thought not.
Re: Pot, Kettle, Black
[info]jonswan wrote:
Sunday, 8 November 2009 at 12:32 am (UTC)
'Taliban loving self loathers' - Uh? Have you got The Independent mixed up with Al Jazeera or something? Don't think you'll find many Taliban supporters here Weirdo.
Re: Pot, Kettle, Black
[info]media_myths wrote:
Sunday, 8 November 2009 at 01:19 am (UTC)
Unfortunately, there's plenty. Whenever there's an article in The Independent on the Afghan war/invasion dozens of politically naive fools come out of the woodwork to pass judgement on some allied forces atrocity or human rights violation whilst never mentioning the far worse violations or atrocities inflicted by another invading entity made up of a coalition of outside forces (Pakistani, Turkish, Saudi Chechen etc.) - The Taliban. This points to at least a blind eye being turned, which could, quite easily, be construed as support.

I've been outside of little cliques and have formed my opinions based on fact and evidence all of my life, not on what's popular at any given time. If that makes me a weirdo then so be it.
Re: Pot, Kettle, Black
[info]masmanz wrote:
Sunday, 8 November 2009 at 05:00 am (UTC)
The Taliban were an Afghan phenomena. The so-called Pakistan Taliban were not there before Bush started the foolish war in Afghanistan in the name of fighting AlQaida. The government of Paistan decided to, or were forced to, join this so-called war on terrorism which has given rise to far more terrorism then there ever was. If there is an evil ideology we need to worry about it is the ideology of neocons who want a perpetual war for perpetual chaos in the world. It would have been far easier to catch Osama bin Laden through special ops operations, but the purpose was to use him as an excuse to expand the empire.
Re: Pot, Kettle, Black
[info]media_myths wrote:
Sunday, 8 November 2009 at 09:05 am (UTC)
You're right, 20 years ago the Taliban was an Afghan phenomena, but not anymore.
[info]alan_honiton wrote:
Saturday, 7 November 2009 at 11:25 am (UTC)
Belated credit has got to be given to the Pakistani military for this latest initiative. It's just a pity that it was not done 6-7 years ago. Even more of a pity now is that the 'hammer' of the Pakistan army has not got an 'anvil' against which to batter the Taliban - because NATO has insufficient forces near the Afghan/Pakistan border areas to ensure any substantial wipeout of Taliban forces. Result - after this offensive is considered 'complete', the Taliban will re-group and carry on. It's groundhog day. Come on Obama - make your mind up - do you actually want to win this war, or are you content with another Vietnam?
They Should Prove Their Sincerity
[info]manplant wrote:
Saturday, 7 November 2009 at 12:22 pm (UTC)
The Pakistani authorities (and US) should prove their sincerity by having a truth commission regarding the rise of he Taliban and finance of terrorism. It is well known that some part of Pakistani intelligence and establishment were directly involved and those people may decide to lie low for a while. As long as they are around they may try the same tactics again when the oportunity presents itself.
A massive re-education campaign should start in order to teach those that have already been brainwashed by false Jihadist ideoloy. Merchants of religious propaganda should be arrested and tried for crimes as well as those that financed them, although this may be difficult as some of that finance has come from Saudi Arabia.
So much needs to be done in order to 'put the genie back in the bottle'.
I wouldn't congratulate the Pakistani authorities for their offensive against the Taliban. It should have been done long ago and the reason it hasn't is because they were one of the same.
Re: They Should Prove Their Sincerity
[info]the_man_121 wrote:
Saturday, 7 November 2009 at 01:23 pm (UTC)
your talking rubbish. Pakistanis are suffering yet you complaining about their sincerity. How about the USA prove its sincerity as they to had supported taliban and jihadist who fought the soviet in Afghanistan. We muslims are fed up with constant accusation by west about our sincerity to fight the terrorist. Afterall you guys must be blind and deaf not to realise 99.99% of the terrorist victims are muslim. So stop your morality nonsense and if your b rave enough send more troops to afganistan so that the taliban wouldnt be able to run away.
Re: They Should Prove Their Sincerity
[info]manplant wrote:
Saturday, 7 November 2009 at 01:49 pm (UTC)
If you read my letter you should have noticed that I did mention USA and they are in part to blame but so are some Pakistanis who through their ignorance backed the Taliban and are reaping what they had wished on others. Pakistanis never complained about what the Taliban were doing in Afghanistan because they saw them as a tool to control a weak neighbour. They helped create a monster and got caught up in lies and falsehood about what it is to be a Muslim. Pakistani version of Islam is one heavily tinged with racism and xenophobia and corrupted with foreign finance. Poorly educated Pakistanis have been fertile territory to those that have wanted to spread evil across the world and taint the image of Islam. People like you are in denial about what responsibility your countrymen have in tarnishing the image of Islam. Why don't you consider how your government has nurtured, tolerated, aided and abetted these murdering ignorant thugs? Why do you not face up to the fact that society that is so corrupted will not be able to find an appropriate solution to racist fascist religious extremism? May be Pakistanis need to suffer allot more before they realise their mistakes!
Good News
[info]jim2509 wrote:
Saturday, 7 November 2009 at 02:51 pm (UTC)
Firstly my congratulations to the Pakistan Army, i hope their success continues and leads to the wipe out of the Taliban and their allies. I would also like to see the Pakistan security forces root out the traitors within their secret service who for years have hampered Nato's & Pakistans efforts to rid the area of the Murderers of innocent civilians. So where are all the wishy washy lefties now then???
"Details of the South Waziristan incursion are impossible to verify"
[info]find_empire wrote:
Saturday, 7 November 2009 at 06:06 pm (UTC)
That's what the header should have been. Or at the very least "Pak army claims capture of Taliban town, Taliban denies."

The eyewitness reports we heard at the beginning of the Pak offensive all suggested that Pak was afraid to engage the Talibs on the ground and was concentrating on bombing. If indeed there had been some sort of Pak victory we'd see pictures of captured or killed Talibs, not just of random rubble.

In Swat the Pak army avoided contact and let the Talibs escape. In Waziristan the Talibs are holding their ground and Pak is again running from the fight and merely bombing. The object of the operation is to score some Obama cash, not stir the hornets' nest, which Zardari knows would be suicidal. So he keeps the press well away from the battle and feeds us his fictitious press releases, which idiots like the Indy editor take for god's own truth.
Re: "Details of the South Waziristan incursion are impossible to verify"
[info]lkdamo wrote:
Saturday, 7 November 2009 at 06:55 pm (UTC)
Well they needed a story, but had no facts, so they made an editorial decision to go with the story.
Stories are more fun than facts anyway.
Re: "Details of the South Waziristan incursion are impossible to verify"
[info]alan_honiton wrote:
Saturday, 7 November 2009 at 08:31 pm (UTC)
The use of the word 'incursion' seems to imply some unwarranted raid or invasion into other people's territory. Unless I am mistaken, South Waziristan is, nominally, part of Pakistan. Would you therefore imply that Pakistani military forces are not entitled to enter and defend territory that is, nominally, theirs?
Just wondering
[info]lkdamo wrote:
Saturday, 7 November 2009 at 06:44 pm (UTC)
"Officials said his house was destroyed in symbolic revenge for the hundreds of people killed by the Taliban."

Is that a war crime?

I presume his family still own it, so that is collective punishment.

So which is it?
[info]lkdamo wrote:
Saturday, 7 November 2009 at 07:00 pm (UTC)
"The army claims that troops have already seized control of the other two, Sararogha and Ladha, and say that hundreds of insurgents have already been killed in the fighting"


"The soldiers are said to have met little resistance."

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