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Obama likely to send only 30,000 more troops

By Kim Sengupta, Defence Correspondent, in Kabul

President Obama

Reuters

The President is considering the request by General Stanley McChrystal, the US commander of Nato forces in Afghanistan, for up to 40,000 troops

The US administration is likely to announce the dispatch of at least 30,000 troops to Afghanistan, amid increasing calls in Britain for a withdrawal from the war in the face of a rising death toll. The announcement that the 200th and 201st members of the British forces have been killed in combat in the conflict – the eighth in five days – came on Remembrance Sunday, with public figures in the UK questioning further involvement and yet another opinion poll showing a majority want our troops pulled out.

But Barack Obama, who tours the region this week, is expected to announce his decision based on three options from his advisers, all of which call for more troops. The President is considering the request by General Stanley McChrystal, the US commander of Nato forces in Afghanistan, for up to 40,000 troops. The US Defence Secretary, Robert Gates, is said to favour the sending of 30,000 and President Obama is "strongly veering towards the same option and certainly not a lower figure", a senior official said. Britain is to send 500 more troops to Afghanistan. But the deployment is being held up until President Obama makes his decision.

The latest British fatalities, a member of the 2nd Battalion, the Rifles, and a member of the 4th Battalion, the Rifles, were killed in separate explosions in Sangin, central Helmand, where another soldier, from the 3rd Battalion of the regiment died on Friday. Five men, from the Grenadier Guards and the Royal Military Police, were shot dead by a renegade Afghan policeman on Wednesday at Nad-e-Ali. The total death toll for UK troops is 232.

In the Babaji area in UK-controlled Helmand, an investigation has been ordered into a Nato rocket strike in which nine people were killed. Western forces at first said they were insurgents laying mines. But Gulab Mangal, the provincial governor, said the victims were civilians and the International Security Assistance Force (Isaf) has now agreed to pay compensation to the bereaved families.

The deaths caused widespread anger with demonstrators parading bodies outside the UK base at the Helmand capital, Lashkar Gar. The British commander in Helmand, Brigadier James Cowan, has called in the Special Investigation Branch of the RMP. Isaf said: "The decision to fire was made in the honest belief that it was targeted against a team of insurgents digging in two mines. New evidence has been brought to our attention by Governor Mangal which has caused us to question our belief that the strike was against insurgents and instead that innocent civilians may have been the victims."

Brigadier Cowan said soldiers under fire are being told to exercise "courageous restraint" so as not to put civilians at risk. "Consider whether it is even worth firing back, consider whether there are civilians in between you and them, consider whether you can move to a position of advantage. Certainly, if you can kill the enemy, do that, but show that courageous restraint."

In London, the shadow Foreign Secretary, William Hague, said the Tories were "very worried" about the prospect of taking over such a difficult situation if they won the general election. "This level of public dissatisfaction that we see in opinion surveys is not a very good basis on which to fight a war," he said.

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[info]dnmurphy wrote:
Monday, 9 November 2009 at 12:14 am (UTC)
"William Hague, said the Tories were "very worried" about the prospect of taking over such a difficult situation if they won the general election. "This level of public dissatisfaction that we see in opinion surveys is not a very good basis on which to fight a war," "

Hague is right, but it also sounds like he is preparing his excuses for failure.
Peace
[info]ejh16 wrote:
Monday, 9 November 2009 at 02:25 am (UTC)
Now I see why Mr Obama got that Nobel peace prize. Sending "only" 30,000 more American murderers to Afghanistan shows that this president is truly a man of peace. http://theunpeople.blogspot.com/
Afghanistan is not worthing breaking the Army and Marine Corps
[info]lewis_northants wrote:
Monday, 9 November 2009 at 07:21 am (UTC)
One of the main considerations regarding final decision on the numbers of troops to be sent to Afghanistan was the issue of the length of soldiers tours and the time between combat .Army soldiers now serve one year of combat and get a minimum of one year off. Marines serve seven-month deployments and get at least 14 months off. The morale of the volunteer force is under strain due to the fact that the majority of fighting soldiers and marines have served multiple combat tours in either Iraq or Afghanistan . The only way General McChrystal's request for 40,000 plus soldiers
could be met would be to extend tours of duty or reducing time at home between tours, which would further strain the forces. Lieutenant General Peter Chiarelli, the vice chief of staff of the Army, has said that extending tours or shorting the time between combat tours as the military did during the 2007 surge in Iraq, could break the forces. General McChrystal might believe that the Afghan war might be worth breaking the Army and Marine Corps, but President Obama and Secretary Gates do not agree it is worth it. Especially now with the possibility of armed conflict with Iran .



re: PEACE
[info]e_paul_imhof wrote:
Monday, 9 November 2009 at 10:10 am (UTC)
The Nobel Peace Prize wasn't awarded to President Barrack Obama to honour any achivement but to encourage him to fulfill candidate Obama's promise. ironically Major Nidal Malik Hasan convinced within a few minutes more people of need to withdraw from Afghanistan the sooner the better than the President in nearly 300 days. The emotionally disturbed Moslim psychatrist killed 13 unarmed soldiers in cold blood. Dozens of dodging soldiers were severely wounded, nut a petite mother of 3 little kids dared to shoot him.
Increasingly critizised for not making up his mind with deliberate speed Obama may withdraw faster from Afghanistan than he might have otherwise. 'Mission accomplished' means get out of there. Rather than beg Poland, Bulgaria, etc for troops Russia had the guts to end a no-win war in Afghanistan.
Veterans of '44 knew what they were dighting for and won WWII. Enlistment bonus and benefits up to $100.00 don't lure enough Americans. Over-stressen recruiters in Texas commit suicide hanging themselves in Texas reports Time Magazine. President Obama can't afford to loose credibility risking more lives and wasting $billions.
30,000: That's all that the Yanks have left
[info]find_empire wrote:
Monday, 9 November 2009 at 10:49 am (UTC)
Obomber would have sent more if he had them.

U.S. lacks enough troops for 'low-risk' Afghan option


McClatchy Newspapers, Oct 15

WASHINGTON -- The U.S. military can send only about 30,000 more troops to Afghanistan in the next three months without putting excessive strains on the Army and Marine Corps , but the top Afghanistan commander has said he needs more than twice that number to have the best chance of success, military and administration officials told McClatchy .

The low risk option, which McChrystal has said offers the best chance to contain the Taliban -led insurgency and stabilize Afghanistan , calls for 80,000 additional U.S. troops, while his medium risk option puts the number at 40,000 to 45,000, the officials said.
'"Only" 30,000 more troops'
[info]mhenriday wrote:
Tuesday, 10 November 2009 at 03:33 pm (UTC)
Amazing what a little adverb can do !...

Henri

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