Pakistan cancels talks in protest at Cameron remarks

By Andrew Woodcock, Press Association

Saturday, 31 July 2010

Pakistan's intelligence agency cancelled planned talks with security experts in the UK in protest at David Cameron's claim that elements within the country were promoting the export of terror, it was reported today.

The cancelled trip is the most concrete indication so far of damage done to Anglo-Pakistani relations by Mr Cameron's comments, which sparked outrage in Islamabad when he made them during this week's trip to India.

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It comes days ahead of a three-day visit to the UK by Pakistani President Asif Ali Zardari, during which he is expected to stay with Mr Cameron at his country retreat Chequers.

The Times reported that senior officers from Pakistan's Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI) had been due to come to London for talks on counter-terrorism co-operation with British security services.

But an ISI spokesman told the paper: "The visit has been cancelled in reaction to the comments made by the British Prime Minister against Pakistan."

Answering questions following a speech in India, Mr Cameron said he wanted to see "a strong, stable and democratic Pakistan", adding: "But we cannot tolerate in any sense the idea that this country is allowed to look both ways and is able, in any way, to promote the export of terror whether to India, whether to Afghanistan or to anywhere else in the world."

His comments triggered an angry response from Pakistani politicians, who pointed to the country's military offensive against militants on the frontier with Afghanistan and the many victims of terrorist bombs in Pakistan.

But he did not take advantage of several opportunities to scale down his rhetoric during subsequent press conferences and interviews before his return to the UK.

The ISI spokesman said: "Such irresponsible statements could affect our co-operation with Britain."

Pakistan is regarded by UK agencies as a key nation in the fight against terror, with a majority of plots against British targets believed to have links to the country. Former Prime Minister Gordon Brown said that 75% of terror plots under investigation in the UK were linked to Pakistan.

Neither Downing Street nor the Foreign Office would comment on the reported decision by the ISI not to visit the UK.

But officials said that Mr Zardari's visit to the UK was still expected to go ahead as planned.

"Our understanding is that the visit is on," said a Foreign Office spokeswoman.

  • Guest
    The man's a bloody fool. In place of "ethical foreign policy" this orc-like copy of Blair is attempting to place a style of crass observations to undermine our relations with a key partner in the campaign and war on terror. He and Osborne Have to have an echo to the Blair - Brown project. Our own secret service has contained Russian spies - including a Bullingdon I recall - and traitors who sought to bring down a Labour Government. It would be surprising if the Pakistanis were unaware of the allegations against their spooks, or if none of these were true. Everyone needed the Magoo of Downing St to put in his ha'pennyworth.
  • I am glad you at least bothered to provide a few examples in support of your claim that Pakistan is the epicenter of terrorism. 9/11 - Not even one Pakistani was involved of course besides the fact that there has never been any independent investigation besides this event being used to wage so many wars. The funniest part being the fact that some of the people who were declared to be hijackers and who had died, came out alive ! 7/7 - Not even one Pakistani was involved of course besides the fact that there has never been any independent investigation. 26/11 - The main accused was Hafiz Saeed who was arrested, trialed and released without charge because there was no evidence produced against him. If you or others still think it was him, you either produce evidence or get some psychiatric help. US embassy bombings in Africa - Has there been any trial for that ? any Pakistani convicted ? please enlighten me. Failed New York bombing - What does Pakistan had to do with that ? The guy was American citizen who got pissed off at the killings en masse by Americans in Iraq and Afghanistan, travelled to Pakistan's tribal area to learn how to make bombs and went back to US to blow up the Times Square - All mere a story of course - but lets assume for a minute, its true. Where does Pakistan come in all this ? You don't have to be a Pakistani to be anti-American and anti-War and you don't have to be a Pakistani to decide to 'do something' in retaliation. Why did all the Europeans and Americans joined hands against Nazis for example ? As for his getting trained in bomb-making, FATA has had a huge weapons-making industry for ages, even before Pakistan came into being and it got a boost during the Afghan Jihad. Blaming FATA for having training camps would mean you have no idea what you are talking about. Atrocities against NATO troops - Hahaha thats a good one. Atrocities in India - First there is no proof even for the much drumed up Mumbai attacks. Second, ever heard of Kashmir dispute ?? And ever heard of atrocities in Pakistan ?? Islamists are dangerous yes but can you guess how many innocent people have been killed in Pakistan by these Islamists that you claim are supported by Pakistan Army and government ? Its like claiming British Army supported IRA during their bombing campaigns across England. Sounds funny doesn't it ? Yes I fully agree with you in 'The world needs a strong leader that's not going to put up with this nonsense' but thats not Cameroon. He would make better career as standing comedian given the way he makes laughable comments.
  • "Subcontinent, under direction of the C.I.A. Yes, the ISI secretly supports the Taliban but it does so under direction from the C.I.A. whose modus operandi is support for ALL sides of a conflict to control the course of the conflict in service of its own goals"

    Well it's one way of making sure you end up on the winning side.:)
  • Ash223
    I cannot believe Cameron can be so stupid! These kind of comments are to be expected from someone like Bush or Berlusconi but not privately educated Cameron. He needs to look up the word 'diplomacy' in the dictionary as I think he got the wrong definition. No matter what he really thinks the fact is that the US and the UK need Pakistan in the war on terror so they need to ensure that they are on good terms with them instead of upsetting them. Cameron should not forget that even Karzai has said that they will have to talk to the Taliban in order to sort out the mess that is Afghanistan so if the Pakistani ISI talk with the Taliban they accuse them of 'exporting terrorism'. Hypocritical. As for India, well there is evidence that they sponsor the dissenting Baluchistanis in their attacks against Pakistan so the indians may be upto the same game. Its this stupid tit for tat that disgusts me. Real people lose their lives in this game.

    The timing of the comments is also very distasteful. Pakistan is still mourning 152 lost lives from the plane crash and now over 800 people from the devastating floods and they have idiots like Cameron barking at them over terrorism.

    In the end, every country will look after its own interest, whether it is with the Taliban or against the Taliban, and Pakistan has every right to look after its own interest too. BTW were MI5 & CIA not complicit in the torture of terror suspects? It shows you how low the people involved in intelligence agencies are. Peace to All
  • SID_VICIOUS
    Im really suprised somebody from pakistan has not ome out and said that we in great britain and our american friends have gone around the world and murdred over 80 milion people since world war 2 carroed out state sponsored terror and murder in the name of govermnent and sent in our troops to invade the rest of the world for oil and money!
  • bobigb
    If he is a diplomat working on our countries behalf diplomacy is utterly dead and will continue to be so while this ghastly lying little pipsqeak is in power Mind you it won't be long... rest assured
  • splatz
    As ever, things are rarely that simple Sid. The armed struggle by Sikhs for a separate homeland led to further violence against their people, including the massacre you mention. Its a terrible legacy but India is made up of Hindus, Sikhs, Muslims, Christians etc etc and seems like a very different country these days. It wants to become an economic powerhouse of Asia, not implode like Pakistan. Along with Britain, the US and it's allies, it has had to deal with counter insurgency operations supported by the ISI whilst trying to negotiate diplomatic solutions with the Pakistani govenment. Cameron is simply reflecting on their shared problems with that basket case country.
  • Ash223
    Unfortunately India wants to be the new powerhouse of Asia but it still oppresses people in Kashmir, it still is fighting against the Maoists rebels, still treats lower caste people as third class people, not to mention Muslims and other minorities as second class citizens (as can be seen by the Gujarat Massacre where over 2000 Muslims were burnt alive). India is not as perfect as it makes itself out to be but because it is majority Hindu (and not Muslim like Pakistan) the West forgets India's faults. As for Cameron, talk about arse licking the Indians, why did he need to take an 80 strong delegation to India including Kelly Holmes (?) it just shows you how desperate he is to please India for the sake of business. Winston Churchill will be turning in his grave!
  • SID_VICIOUS
    What really makes me laugh is our goverement and the americans stood back and did nothing when 3000 sikhs were murdred and burned alive in the golden temple by hindus now contrast that with september 11 and what do we do go in and invade 2 countries in iraq and afghanistan slaughter hundred of thousand people while destableing pakistan in the process and we have the cheek tosay pakistan exports terror thanks to our dopey prime minister while he forgets how we have murdred over 80 million people since world war 2 and spread terror all over the world with our yank friends you could not make it up if you tried!
  • "we are the biggest terrorists on the planet and always have been and allways will be!" Terrorists with sharp suits, sweet voices and bags of money at the end of a rainbow. A lesson to all would be terrorists,you have to look the part, sound the part and you will get away with anything, plus the wonga you get from the corporations. Nice!
  • SID_VICIOUS
    Mate the reason we are in afghanistan and iraq is the oil and gas pipelines its a well documented greed is the reason none other history shows it sadly we just never learn like i said before we in britain along with our partners in crime the yanks have murdred over 80 milion people since world war 2 invadeing foreign lands we are the biggest terrorists on the planet and always have been and allways will be!
  • Rambocurtis
    Cameron is absolutely correct in his comments. Pakistan is the epicentre of terrorism and most terrorist strikes aorund the world are masterminded in Pakistan. 9/11, 7/7, 26/11, US embassy bombings in Africa, failed New York bombing, failed underwear bomber from Yemen who's funds were transferred form Pakistan. Atrocities in Afghanistan on Nato troops where Pakistan is using USAID to hit US servicement and obviously atrocities in India. Now here's why I call Cameron a true leader. What he as done is be absolutely Frank about the problem instead of dusting it under the carpet like Obama Bush Blair and Brown did. These Islamists from Pakistan are dangerous and they operate freely in Pakistan with the blessings of the Army and the government. So how can one expect to remain quiet when Pakistan on one hand says it is commmitted to fighting terrorism with one hand and encourage it with the other. If they can't accept being told to put their house in order then that's their problem. Well done Cameron. The world needs a strong leader that's not going to put up with this nonsense just like Churchill did not put up with Hitler. I am beginning to feel optimistic about a safe and prosperous future for the free world now that we have Cameron in power. Lets support him.
  • fwdinsight
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Tony Blair is in charge of the Quartet consisting of America, Russia, UN and Europe prophesied in the Bible. Its an impossible situation with all these powers having different interests. Things are happening now so fast that its going at a breath taking speed. Yet few know. They think it is all a myth. The Jews who are being vilified by the huge Islamic Majority who's one stated object is the destruction of the Jews and the West. Of course the Jews are out - voted in the UN and every one of its councils by the huge Islamic group of nations that start at Morocco in the West and finnish at Indonesia in the East. Iraq has already been attacked as shown in Daniel 6, the next country as Daniel says is Persia or Iran. Iran is developing the bomb and the Jews have made it clear that they rightly will not allow a second holocaust. So they have called their final option the 'Samson Option'. If you look in the bible you will find out how Samson finally died and what he did to his enemies. President Mabarrack of Egypt is very old and very ill and will shortly go and the Iranian backed and funded Muslim Brotherhood will take over. They are hostile to Israel. Between Hammas and Hezbolla, Iran, Lybia and Egypt Israel will then be in an impossible situation. She has to move prior to all this plan coming together. The plan is laid out in Pslams 83 and what they say about how they intend to destroy the Jews. The Bible is an end time book for now. Over two thirds is prophecy and like a telescope its all coming into focus. That is why when Daniel said I have no idea what I have written about, Yahweh said to him you will sleep but that generation at the end time will know. The Bible is the greatest prophecy machine of all time. For over 45 years now I have watched with ever growing apprehension and concern as one prophecy after another has been was fulfilled. The EU last one of a series of 10 Roman Resurrections. The previous was the Fascist under Mussolini and Nazi Hitler which was terrible. This coming one is going to be even worse. Britain will leave or be kicked out of Europe but suffer Military defeat along with America and Israel. The story Of Joseph in the Bible is a nice story but also it is a prophecy of the end time Israel going into defeat and captivity for rebelling. Remember Yahweh is not doing the enslavement but men. Yahweh say ?Why will my people die because of lack of knowledge?? The above and the whole horrific scenario of the coming nuclear conflict that all top military Brass, analysts, and leaders confirm is coming, it therefore not ?if? but ?when?? Right now Saudi Arabia and Emirates are allowing Israel air corridors to place equipment for such and attack. Once Israel starts America will get involved along with Britain. Many nations will assist but this will ultimately overflow and bring in Russia, China, India, Japan. All Yahweh is doing is telling you what rule by man is going to do. Man rejected rule by Yahweh and he acknowledged that. This is the History of the Ages of Mans corrupt and murderous rule under Satan. Read the book of Job and you will see the council of the Universe comer together twice. There you see the god of this world give his report. Look at the rulers who killed many including Alexander the Great and Julius Caesar. In the coming war the carnage is going to be terrible that the Bible says if it is not stopped nothing will survive, So Yahweh stops it in a very dramatic way. See book of Revelation. . There is so much more but I know your position and as I say in this age you can choose. In the coming age no such option exists. Those who accepted this Message including men and women like Daniel, Eliyah, Ester, David etc in all 144,000 out of all the ages from the 13 tribes plus many Gentiles or once unbelievers will be qualified to receive there new spirit bodies as Yahshua did to rule under Yahshua under Yahweh. If you want o see this relation ship read exodus and the clearly defined relationship between Pharaoh and Joseph's relationship. It says Everything in the Kingdom is under you except for me. And that is Yahweh's relationship to Yahshua/Jesus as the first qualified son. The Book of Joshua and Revelation tie up as they show how Yahweh will take over the nations. Only those who have not had the opportunity to hear this message, Indians Chinese, etc will be brought back to relive their lives after a thousand years of peaceful rule by the Saviours/saints who will inherit new bodies and rule of the Planet under Yahshua who is under Yahweh the Everliving. Yahweh. Amongst those brought back to life, as you do today reject the opportunity, so will many of those that are resurrected live under the new dispensation under Yahshua and Yahweh. Even though the evidence of their eyes after a thousand years of peace and corruption free rule that will show them a whole new way of life including a newly formed earth without deserts, mountains that cause the deserts plus the ocean will be rolled back to reveal huge mineralised tracks of land. The Kingdom will be without armies, hospitals, doctors, huge crime ridden filthy cities or wars and yet despite the wealth and happiness many will still reject it and go onto the second or final death. Yahweh will purged all rebels. Yahweh will not allow the same disaster to manifest itself as when Satan still the god of this world rebelled and took one third of the angels with him and destroyed this planet and the universe around us. All the planets in our solar system destroyed as viable places to live. For instance we know that Mars did have rivers and oceans and a thicker atmosphere. That is now generally accepted. There are planets on their side, we can see some of the destruction of this war on our Moon plus on moons surrounding Jupiter. Yahweh only brought back Earth from this destruction so that you and I can have the opportunity to prove that we are willing to obey and not be rebels. He left the outer planets for the soon to appear sons of Yahweh that qualified for the positions of responsibility to reform and populate. YahwehNews dot com In the Unique Biblical book of Obadiah which takes us through the end of the tribulation into the New Dispensation/Rule under Yahweh and Yashua you will see some of the functions these Saviours or saints will perform in the coming Kingdom of Judging nations. A great insight! This is the message that the churches refuse to get out. Instead they teach replacement theology about the person of Christ. They refuse to teach his message that he gave. That is why many today do not attend the churches. Belief is not dropping membership of these churches is. They rather show the child in the manger with no power in the mothers arms. Not as Yahshua is shown in Revelation a powerful and dynamic being. Once you open the Bible you can see that there are few if any biblical examples followed by these churches. Not only that they are corrupt and wealthy. Their investments are more important. In the book of Revelation there is a message to the churches right at the beginning given by Yahshua to the Laodicea?s. Laodicea was a wealthy trading city in a desert region and the water was brought by Roman Viaduct from distant mountains miles away. As a result the water was lukewarm and horrible to drink. That is why its says ?I would have you hot or cold but as you are lukewarm I spew you out.? These are the churches we have today luke warm and teaching nothing as we go into this horrific period. . May Yahweh Bless you through his son Yahshua. YahwehNews dot Com
  • splatz
    Jamal Please dont take this personally, but it is a well known and proven fact that the ISI has been providing assistance to terrorist organisations in the region. It doesnt mean that the whole of Pakistan is complicit, but your intelligence services have gotten away with so much for far too long. Imagine the outrage if India had been involved in supporting an attack on the Pakistani Parliament?
  • Ash223
    If they did - they would be told where to stick their opinions by some of the right wing commentators on this page and would be told that they are 'extreme'. Either way Pakistanis cannot win.
  • SID_VICIOUS
    I wonder if david cameron would have described india as exporteing terror if we had gone in and bombed them in 1984 when the hindus murdred 3000 sikhs in the golden temple and raped the wifes and sisters of these men had we gone in back then and helped form khalistan a independant country for the sikhs would he be in india today and would he be describeing all the terrorist and suicide bombs going off in india today i dont think so so why does this posh boy from the leafy suberbs who has never got his hands dirty say what he did about pakistan!
  • timspooner
    To be older than me, you would have to be 60+. I'll stick with the teachings of Buddha but thanks for your efforts. It is always illuminating to read what people believe, even if I don't agree with them. At least you are not abusive like far too many comments tend to be when devoid of actual thought.
  • bobigb
    are we supposed to take this childish post seriously? Is this the best you can do FFS
  • bobigb
    In your house rambo!!!!!!!
  • Like I said already, talk is cheap. He will do nothing, I promise.
  • pfbulmer
    Thanks for your comments Jamel once again the west is finding itself in a position where having to support regimes that are not ideal this true not only in Pakistan and but also Afghanistan both these regimes are corrupt but they do have a veneer of democracy and there is no doubt the west are supporting regimes that are not ideal . It would be great when they do have the next elections that some one some like Imran Khan was running Pakistan and also Afghanistan Certainly this is a hope for the future and we need to keep that hope alive .
  • gritpype
    You'd rather have someone with a brain? In that case, we'd better have another election soon...
  • joseph109
    exactly, an inconvenient truth than can not be spoken loudly because of political correctness and false sense of politeness towards (angry) minorities
  • caurnie1
    Must every man and woman get their hands dirty before they can make a contribution to our countries future. I would rather have a man with a brain than one with dirty hands
  • SID_VICIOUS
    My dear i understand the truth can be a very difficult thing to except sadly for you not al of us are brainwashed and robotic meaning we can think independantly you should try it sometime haha
  • gritpype
    The Magoo of Downing Street - excellent!!
  • gritpype
    To borrow a phrase from that other great statesman, Captain Blackadder, "tell me, sir, have you ever visited the planet Earth?"
  • Minnie_Ovens
    Yep, that's ten flights too many, unless they are all one way to Pakistan
  • Minnie_Ovens
    Oh dear Sid, twenty years dead and you are even more stupid than when you were alive. What's happened, God doesn't like your music?
  • banjobailey
    Well, I am glad the PM stated what most people have known for a long time. With more and more people questioning why the West is in Afghanistan, it is time for leaders to tell their citizens the reality about who we are really fighting and why. Pakistan wants Kashmir with Afghanistan as it's "rump" state in it's ongoing and forever quest to defeat India's influence. Their military, their land-owning aristocracy, and their ISI developed terror groups have been serving these ends since 1947. I believe the West is fighting to preserve a semblance of a Pakistani state so the arsenal of nuclear weapons does not fall into the hands of the Islamists. Cameron's remarks are simply an inconvenient truth.
  • Stavcol
    It would be interesting to know if there is actual evidence of Pakistan Government collusion with the Taliban or if it's rogue elements within ISI. Pakistan has received massive financial aide for its co-operation with the 'War on Terror' and the politicians grafting wouldn't want to risk killing the goose laying the golden egg. Surely it cannot be in the Pakistan majority interests to become another Taliban state, no matter how far they've been radicalised by Blair and his cohorts actions.
  • caurnie1
    Cameron doesn't use the perfumed words of our previous two PM's. He calls it as he sees it. Strange thing is that his words are in line with the majority of people in the country. David keep telling us the truth and don't descend into the world of distorted words used by Blair, Brown and the rest of the previous Gov.
  • I think you read his post incorrectly. If you worked it at 200 people per flight that would be roughly 10 flights a day. Sorry just being pedantic.
  • gritpype
    "why does this posh boy from the leafy suburbs who has never got his hands dirty say what he did?" The question answers itself - his encounters with reality have been somewhat limited.
  • I seriously get shocked to see how much people can get blind and deaf. You are absolutely right in your view about the SOURCE OF THE CANCER but let me pose a couple of questions first to you and if you know the answers to them, that should help you in pointing out who is the SOURCE OF THE CANCER because you have the dumbest possible opinion about THE SOURCE OF THE CANCER. 1 - It wasn't ISI who invaded Afghanistan on the basis of lies from which the whole drama started. Who was it ? Had they not invaded Afghanistan on the basis of lies, there wouldn't have been this CANCER. 2 - Blaming ISI for 9/11 and that General Hamid Gul was the influencer ? your masters haven't even bothered to carry out an investigation into this farce called 9/11 so from where do you know who did it and who influenced it ? Just for the sake of arguement, if ISI did it, then do you also admit the CIA, FBI, NSA, MOSSAD and all other Western agencies combined are not a match for ISI ?? I would love to hear you Yes. General Pasha cancelled the UK trip and thats a cause for celebration for us Pakistanis. I hope this is only the start and next ISI should cut off all its ties with MIs and other British security organisations. Lets see how the British and their US masters save their asses from getting beaten by Taliban without the help of ISI.
  • Zardari is the right leader ? he is not even a leader so there is no question of right and wrong. He is Mister 10% who would sell even his mother for money. Brought in through 'NRO - National Reconciliation Order' i.e. the secret deal between General Musharraf and Benazir Bhutto, forced of course by US and UK, to let them back into the country and hold general elections so the US can have a government in Pakistan which would have political backing and still carry out its agenda in the region specially Afghanistan. To Zardari's good luck, Benazir was killed and he inherited the party just like you would inherit a piece of furniture or TV or a computer. Since then he has been ruling this most unfortunate country like a king with all his cronies appointed as ministers and his government has broken all the previous records of corruption ! This is why you would find Pakistanis including myself, who would favor sanctions from US and UK etc banning all loans and aid to Pakistan ! The only politician in the entire Pakistani political class ( if you can call them political ) is Imran Khan and perhaps the MQM. Imran Khan is the only honest person I know among them. You listen to him and you might not agree with him but you can be sure he is telling the truth and above all, his is not corrupt. MQM don't mind using violence and killing their political opponents but the good thing about them, which other politcal leaders miss, is that they are from middle class and are closer to the poor. And yes, they are not as corrupt as the two biggest parties.
  • salmoneus
    Ach so - I hear Jack Nicholson's words echoing down the dark corridors of my mind & although I've used them before they are very appropriate - these Pakistanis have got a big sulk on because DC told the truth - and that brings me very neatly to the quote - YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH. Furthermore if you guys over there aren't down with that we got 2 words for ya (thanks to DX from WWE)
  • fwdinsight
    Europe. The Islamics are attacking in 50 plus countries around the world including: Nigeria, Pakistan, Algeria, Turkey, China, France, Belgium, Bali, Kenya, Egypt, USA, Saudi Arabia, Iraq, Holland, Jordan, Spain, Britain oh and I nearly forgot Israel plus many other countries. Egypt is particularly serious because the Islamic Brotherhood has a majority and like Hezbollah and Hamas has been funded by Iran. When Mubarrack goes it is likely that the Iran funded Islamic Brotherhood could seize power. Prophecy indicates that Egypt will join with Iran and Syria. This will cause a Crisis that will cause oil supply disruption on an unimaginable scale followed by a massive war in which Egypt, Lybia,, Syria will be occupied Damascus the oldest city in the world will be destroyed never to be occupied again plus one third of those living in Iran will die. Turkey will also be involved. Iran will be destroyed. This is a Nuclear conflict that will eventually involve China, India, Russia including other Middle Eastern and Asian nations, in other words a World Wide conflict or WW111. All the above is clearly laid out in the Bible, the word of Yahweh Iran is the biggest exporter of Terror China according to the ex US Secretary of State Warren Christopher. If British soldiers are being maimed and killed then its about time we named the culprits and stop being apologists and appeasers. Anything else is not acceptable any longer. The policy of appeasement didn?t work in 1937 -39, neither does it work today. The Nazis thought of us as being frightened and week. Many in the Islamic world think the same. The time must surely come very shortly when Britain will also have to look at our internal enemies. MI5 and CIA have stated often enough that we are open to major Nuclear terror attack. Past experience has shown it is all emanating from home grown haters of he British people. We don?t have to imagine who they are we have seen them giving speeches and with Placards on the Streets confirming their hatred for our Anglo Saxon race. Are we going to wait for the event to happen and learn another lesson or do something about it before it happens? YahwehNews dot Com.
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  • ExPatJoe
    That would be 1918 flights day, then. Methinks you exaggerate, just a touch.
  • fwdinsight
    Peter Hawkins Thank you for your reply, however the plain fact is that even today the Jewish Rabbis once a year shout out loud the name of Yahweh before the Wailing wall. All other tiimes they keep the name under their breath so the ear can't hear. You ignore the fact that over 200 study and reference works confirm that the name Yahweh is correct, including Moffat Bible, plus many other bibles, plus Encyclopeadia's Britannica, Judaica and Catholic. God is not a name it is like Mr, Mrs, Dr, Lord, Lady, Sir -they are titles. Lord and god are the names of Pagan Babylonian deities called Baal and god. This is a well known fact. The jews removed the name of Yahweh over 6800 times from the Bible and replaced it with God and Lord so that the holy name may no longer be spoken out loud in case it was used to swear with. The 3rd Commandment where it says 'vain' should be properly translated "do not bring my name to no force or effect through lack of use". Incidentally as a Minister you should know that the Oldest written scripture was found in a grave from the Solomonic period in 1988. It took from that time until 2004 to unwind and read it with NASA scanning techniques to authenticate it. It was written in Paleo Hebrew. That scripture was the Priestly Blessing at the end of Numbers 6: Numbers 6:22 - 27 22. Yahweh spoke to Mosheh, saying: 23. Speak to Aaron and his sons, saying; this is how you are to bless the children of Israyl. Say to them; 24. YAHWEH BLESS YOU AND KEEP YOU. 25. YAHWEH MAKE HIS FACE SHINE UPON YOU AND BE MERCIFUL TO YOU. 26. YAHWEH LIFT UP HIS COUNTENANCE UPON YOU, AND GIVE YOU PEACE. 27. So they will put MY NAME on the children of Israyl, and I will bless them. As you can see the name Yahweh is used continually throughout this verse, and the instruction ended off by saying, "So they will put MY NAME on the children of Israyl". The instruction was not to put a title on them such as lord or god. From verses 24 to 27 above is what appears on the ancient silver amulet now residing with the Isaiah scroll in Jerusalem. This find was reported in the Jerusalem Post and Readers Digest december of that year. The name used throughout that passage was Yahweh. This writing on silver preceeded the oldest manuscript we have today by hundreds of years as it was written on silver and kept in a sealed copper or bronze tube around the neck of a Jew . Further you erronously used the 'J' to write Jahweh, which shows you have little understanding of the facts. 'J' only enterd the english language in the 1600's. The correct way of writing it is Yahweh. From ancient times there are many references to this name by eminent Christian fathers and Josephus to mention but a few. You are wrong and the ample Archelogical evidence found throughout the Middle east also confirms the Name was Yahweh NOT a pagan title of god or lord. Finally the name Yahweh has gone from nothing on the net to over 6 million pages, making it one of the fastest growing beliefs on the net from a zero start a few years ago. Is this because Yahweh says at the end time 'my people will know my name and baalisms will be taken out of your mouths'. Even Isaiah asked why they had changed the name saying that because of their actions future generations would not know Yahweh's name. That of course presupposes they did not know it before because the churches refused for pecunery reasons to teach it.
  • You are talking as if you are an ex-head of the ISI and knows what goes on behind the scene. I would love ISI to be so amazing as to beat CIA, Mossad, RAW and the MIs in Afghanisan. Don't you think your comment is suggesting that ? For Cameroon and others to scapegoat Pakistan and ISI, perhaps its time to look at their own failures and blunders. Had they not invaded Afghanistan ( on the basis of lies of course ), they wouldn't be in such a desparate state now. They can't leave Afghanistan, they can't stay in Afghanistan. What do you do when you are such a situation ? put the blame on someone. Thats exactly what Cameroon and his US masters are doing. I salute General Pasha for taking this step and I wish Zardari prick will also have, at least for once, the guts to call of his visit.
  • frankspence
    Jamal, it is clear that you are a Muslim from previous postings, and that from the content of your response here an apologist for terrorism. All I would ask is that you remove your head from the orifice at the other end of you body and look at the facts dispassionately, Zandeman clearly sees what is happening as do many others.
  • Chirisophus
    "The cancelled trip is the most concrete indication so far of damage done to Anglo-Pakistani relations" Fantastic news. We have absolutely nothing in common with Pakistan. They've been trousering all the foreign aid that was meant for development. Sod the place, let them ally with Afghanistan and be done with them. We're better off with India. I'm just hoping that Cameron serves Zardari a roasted pig on a spit at Chequers.
  • So what if he is Muslim? You probably are a nutcase Right wing Zionist! The main point is England and US had no legitimate reason to invade Afghanistan and Iraq and still cant legitimize their stay over there. This is real terrorism ie. State Sponsored Terrorism which should not be compared to a few rockets fired by some outlawed organization.
  • treason911
    al CIA da are the only terrorists-Let's re investigate 9/11 and see where the chips fall... Correct me if I'm wrong but the US and the UK are the only countries illegally occupying countries killing women and children are they not? Anyone want to explain Building 7's collapse to me? 47 storeys in 6 seconds, not hit by a plane on 9/11....That a buidling hundreds of feet high.....comes down in its own footprint. THREE BUILDINGS-Two planes..... Controlled demolition. Anyone see a problem here?
  • treason911
    Where is your PROOF and EVIDENCE that Al Queda inspired muslim terrorists carried out 9/11 and 7/7...? Google video ZERO-An investigation into 9/11 and 7/7 The Big picture on You Tube and get back to me Cheers. Oh yeah, can you also find me some footage of a plane hitting the pentagon from the 86 cameras trained on the building? And explain Building 7's collapse in 6 seconds, 47 storeys not hit by a plane..... And please also explain how the BBC reported it had collapsed 23 minutes early.. FACT. Cheers x
  • treason911
    It's not Conspiracy "theory" It is Conspiracy FACT. The epitome of rationality speaking here who thinks a bogeyman in a cave made THREE buildings collapse on 9/11... Oh yeah they messed up with Building 7 didn't they.... Or didnt you know about that one? 47 storeys in 6 seconds, not hit by a plane.... Google video ZERO-An investigation into 9/11 and go and have a long hard think..... TRUTH DOESNT FEAR INVESTIGATION.... Can't believe people still swallow the BS about 9/11... Wake up!!
  • zandeman
    Que?
  • zandeman
    I think that if you ....just ....calm ....down ....and ....take ....your ....pills, everything will be okay.
  • Rather than leave it for what it was an observation on some dodgy practices by some Pakistani officials, it seems that Pakistan has allowed it to blow out of all proportion and have live public demonstrations and the burning of effigys of Cameron. It shows that Muslims are just too ignorant, intolerant and easily offended. They don't realise that they're rapidly becoming the laughing stock of the world through their insistence of wanting it both ways.
  • Ash223
    Anurag: are not Indians living in a world of their own too? India cannot handle the very bitter truth about Kashmiri independence and Pakistan cannot handle the truth about the ISI- so you not both the same?
  • frankspence
    If you truly believe the bilge you have spouted on this subject, and you think the Islamic way of life is the way to go, and you are so proud of the corrupt nation of Pakistan which was born from the blood of Indian people go back there.
  • I am India's expert in strategic defence and the father of India's strategic program, including the Integrated Guided Missiles Development Program. I have shown in my blog titled 'Nuclear Supremacy For India Over U.S.', which can be found by a Google search with the title, that all terrorism and insurgencies in the Indian subcontinent and in much of the rest of the world is sponsored by the C.I.A. Both Pakistan's ISI and India's RAW (Research and Analysis Wing) function as branches of the C.I.A. and participate in terrorism and insurgencies throughout the Subcontinent, under direction of the C.I.A. Yes, the ISI secretly supports the Taliban but it does so under direction from the C.I.A. whose modus operandi is support for ALL sides of a conflict to control the course of the conflict in service of its own goals. The goal of the U.S. invasion and occupation of Afghanistan and partial occupation of Pakistan is eventual occupation and overt colonial rule over the Subcontinent as a whole. This will not be permitted and all those participating in this enterprise, including the U.K., will be duly punished; see my blog. The document leak currently in the news has been made in preparation for abandonment of this goal and withdrawal from Afghanistan because of steps I have already taken for the nuclear destruction of New Delhi and then the coast-to-coast destruction of the United States by India with 5,000 thermonuclear warheads and extermination of its population; see my blog.
  • I don't know if you're aware of this but threatening to kill hundreds of millions of people is kinda illegal. Naughty naughty! Also India only has between 60-80 nuclear missiles.
  • Rambocurtis
    A grenade is more powerful then an Indian Nuke. It was reported in all news media that India's top nuclear scientist admitted to the nuke tests being a fizzle. LOL. You indians talk a big game but prove very little. hahaha
  • Rambocurtis
    ISI feeling the pinch and cancelling it's trip should be a victory moment for the war on terror. In all honesty the UK and US intelligence agencies have got to be a joke if they think they should be funding and working with the ISI which was once run by a terrorist sympathiser and 9/11 influencer Hamid Gul and is now being run by his cousin shuja ahmad pasha. Someone finally having the guts to tell them what they really need to know is a cause for celebration. In order to eliminate cancer in a human body the doctor must provide treatment that will attack the SOURCE OF THE CANCER instead of just providing relief medication to make the patient feel better short term. You see that relief medication alone will not kill the cancer. In this case ISI is the SOURCE OF THE CANCER called terror and providing billions of dollars in aid money to keep them happy will work short term but will not stop them permanently. They have to be dealt with firmly. Cameron has realised this. He knows that the ISI and its sister organisations like the LET, TTP, HAQQANI, Al-QAEDA not only threaten South East Asia but UK too. He knows he has to start acting now before its too late.
  • Just because he/she said the bitter truth, he is "definitely Indian"!! You pakistanis are really living in a world of your own.
  • "For example is Zardari the right leader for the country" For 10% Zardari would give you whichever answer you wanted. :)
  • Cameroons statement is laughable Yes. As for the 'billions from UK and US', I would beg UK and US to stop giving us their 'billions' because they end up in the bank accounts of dictators and politicians who would even sell their mothers for money. All those 'billions' that you talk about haven't changed ANYTHING in the lives of 170 million people, instead those 'billions' have made their lives even more miserable. So your fantasy that without aid from US and UK, Pakistan would finish. Did Iran finish without aid from US and UK ? Does Hamas get any billions from US and UK ? and do US and UK give billions to North Korea and Burma ? NOPE. As for Mumbai attacks, Indians didn't even wait for any investigation. Just like US and UK love to throw everything on Al-Qaeda, Indians love to throw everything on ISI. Its that simple. Laughable ? Yes Cameroon's statement is.
  • frankspence
    The truth as they say hurts! There is real evidence that these people are, or were involved in the carnage of the attack in India that left many dead, more injured and a luxury hotel severely damaged by fire. We also know that they have been involved with the Terrorist movement and the training camps. Even the American agencies, not the sharpest pencils in any box have recognised their involvement with the Islamist Jihadi movement, and lets face it the SIS have not been exactly successful in bringing the Taliban to book in their own country. It is well known that civilian government in Pakistan is almost always corrupt and that the country does better under Military Government, but the limp wristed left in the west conspired to remove Musharaff from office and this is what we get. Continue to tell it how it is Mr Cameron, do not simply tell people what is expedient as did Blair and Brown we are grown ups, well most of us, and we want to know the truth.
  • I still can't get over the people that think Cameron is going to do anything differently. Talk is cheap and that is all he has done, talked alot. When he removes the funding to Pakistan and Israel, then I will swollow my words. Which I won't have to do of course. Get real folks, nothing has changed.
  • treason911
    Watch the films and watch your world end Rambo......
  • "but I'm cautiously in favour of him talking honestly" I'd be more in favour of him doing something honestly. Talk is cheap and means nothing when it has no impact on the ground.
  • gritpype
    This just shows how juvenile Cameron is. Someone wants to explain to him what 'diplomacy' means. This is his Big Start on the world stage?? God help us...
  • helen42
    Best will in the world mate, I don't think us Brits should be accusing other Governments of being corrupt. Our lying thieving politicians one year ago didn't exactly set themselves up as halo poster boys/girls re expenses etc etc etc etc.
  • Was there nobody at the foreign office available to brief Cameron on how to conduct foreign affairs before he went on this trip? He has either been sucking up to countries or alienating them. What a strange tactic to employ given our lack of friends on the world stage. It also seems odd to make public his support for Turkey's membership of the EU, with all that that will imply for immigration and pressure on jobs, at a time when we are witnessing the biggest jobs cull since the early 1980s. Ditto his welcoming of Indian workers, particularly in those fields in which we have a surfeit of well-qualified workers.I shudder to think what Cameron will be saying when he gets to China, having undertake his newly announced British tour to exaplin to us why it is necessary to blight the employment prospects of 2.5 million people and cut off unemployment benefits.
  • zandeman
    Sometimes he's right.
  • You are definitely Indian!
  • candy156
    I think Cameron's comments were entirely fair and truthful. It's wrong for the ISI to insist on maintaining a cover-up of the central role certain Pakistan based religious organizations have played in some of the most despicable of international terrorist attacks. Having said that, I think it's important for the international community to work with Pakistan, not against it (as should have happened in Afghanistan instead of an invasion!). However, covering up the truth for purely diplomatic reasons isn't right.
  • altthought
    And the 700,000 annual passenger flights between the two countries.
  • candy156
    "This is real terrorism ie. State Sponsored Terrorism which should not be compared to a few rockets fired by some outlawed organization." The Mumbai attacks killed 175 and injured over 300 (many permanently). Other terrorist attacks with probable links to Pakistan have killed thousands over the years. "The main point is England and US had no legitimate reason to invade Afghanistan and Iraq and still cant legitimize their stay over there." That's certainly not the main point here, it has little to do with it. Agree invasions were a mistake, but terrorism was a tool of certain Pakistani religious groups before the invasions and remained a tool after it. I don't agree with the invasions but that's not they aren't the point here at all.
  • Rambocurtis
    Don't be silly. He's in your house with other bombers and you're their PR guy.
  • treason911
    Oh my.... Are you for real?!! You're still swallowing that fairyatle about the big bad bogeyman hiding in the cave that can't be found by the world's most advanced military....with all their technology...with a 25 million dollar price on his head! He's not even wanted for 9/11 on FBI most wanted list....!!! Watch Fabled Enemies on You Tube and ZERO an investigation into 9/11 on Google video.... Bin LAden(Agent name Tim Osman) is eithe rdead or in witness protection with a new identity... Wise up man, it's a pack of lies.... Watch the films. Don't talk to me until you have. Amke notes along the way.Prove them wrong. The mainstream media is in the pocket....
  • Rambocurtis
    Can you please tell us where Osama Bin Laden is hiding?
  • angie20102010
    Pakistan are being paid to save asses. That has nothing to do with trust. I think there is no use reasoning with the unreasonable.
  • peterhawkins1
    fwdinsight is entitled to his inaccurate views about the Bible, but I must hasten to point out that they are his views and the Bible does not support them at all. No where in the Bible does it say that the Bible is the Word of Jahweh! The Word of the Lord is mentioned in parts of the Bible but it refers to the Creative and Prophetic activity of God, and NOT the text of the Bible. People do like certainty and often make idols, charms of religious texts, but such magic is false to the Bible.
  • zandeman
    I think we're experiencing tough times in the relationship between the West and Islam and both sides have been their own worst enemies. Cameron voted for the Iraq invasion, so he starts behind in my opinion, but I'm cautiously in favour of him talking honestly about both Pakistan and Israel, as long as he continues to emphasise multilateral relations in place of our love affair with everything American.
  • Of course I am a Muslim and a Pakistani and I couldn't be prouder of that. Calling me apologist for terrorism shows how capable you mentally are. Its actually yourself who needs to get some education and look at both sides of the picture to understand the truth instead of believing in what they are told like blind and deaf.
  • pfbulmer
    I have just following Jamal comments it is great that we can have this type of discussion that is what a democracy is all about , every one has the right their own opinion and I would defend your right to say these things . I have learnt a lot from your comments . I used to travel to Pakistan and met some great people and some of your views would not be shared . Much of what is going on in Pakistan is to maintain that freedom to say what you like . these are emotive subjects but it would be great see some constructive and balanced suggestions. For example is Zardari the right leader for the country if not why not who would you recommend if so why ?
  • Its hard to be for persuing positive relations with a country whose PM blames your country for 'exporting terror' to the world, don't you think ? Having said that, I am all for excellent relations with the UK. I have a lot of reasons to love this country and its people and I do love it.
  • ChrisClarkGold
    I feel David Cameron did the right thing, he's called the ISI out.

    The support of ISI splinters has been an undercurrent of suspicion for years. Remember the last 48 hours of Helmand fighting is taking place in Afghanistan poppy fields, next to the Pakistan border. It is straightforward drug smuggler corruption to defend the heroin trafficking, with lots of US$ flowing to the ISI splinter groups to provide training, protection, and weapons. The ISI's response to Cameron was to avoid being challenged, which is not the reaction of people with nothing to hide on this.

    The next step will be to turn up the heat on the ISI splinter groups, and an acknowledgement that this is happening will be a future quietly planned British/ISI meeting where getting some control over the splinter groups will certainly be discussed.
  • zandeman
    Well why don't the two of you find an island somewhere between the UK and Pakistan and fight it out, leaving the rest of us to pursue positive relations between two nations that, despite their reservations about each other, have a lot of shared history and culture?
  • Thanks for the advise. I could advise you the same to work for US or UK or Indian government since you expect people to shut up and believe your lies. Conspiracy theories, as you call it, are responses to the lies that UK and US try to feed the world. Had there been no lies, there would be no responses. 'No one trusts Pakistan' but still they keep asking Pakistan to save their asses in Afghanistan ? Don't you think thats a bit funny ?
  • ali
    I think Mr. Cameroon was trying to assure the deal of aircrafts he want to sale to India .... but still wasn't given due respect ... as Madam Sonia Gandhi refused to meet british PM.... Poor Cameroon was trying to get cute but was not welcomed .......
  • zandeman
    I'll have to reply to you here, thanks to the wonders of Disqus. I am aware of their rebranding and their social services activities. Hamas has a similar profile in the Palestinian community. It doesn't mean they aren't a "military" organisation as well.
  • fwdinsight
    Jamal Of course I would not expect you to understand as you come from a different point. Why dont you help obtain rights for women in your home lands where horrible things are being done daily, instead of criticising things you have little or no knowlege of.
  • zandeman
    Well it seems the western press did report it after all.
  • pauldark
    it shows an immaturity in foreign policy.. the gov leaks info to the press to make these statements.. if cameroon wants 'confrontational' diplomacy.. fine then tell the usa to take a hike
  • The organisation had been banned long time ago after the attack on the Indian parliamen - again of course, a mere allegation. Nothing was ever proved. LeT then changed their name and continued their welfare work which you seem to be unaware of or ignoring. As for the individual, its common sense that if Indians think he was involved, they should have handed over the evidence to Pakistani government which was prosecuting him. Simple as that. But perhaps you prefer to throw everything on ISI just like Indians do.
  • ExPatJoe
    There is a lot of evidence, including that disclosed by the previous Pakistani administration and which was widely reported thereafter. Given how much we already know about the ISI, you have to wonder how much more "those in the know" are holding back from us.
  • 01566
    The truth must never be said in public eh.
  • Jandullah was a terrorist organisation funded and supported by US. If some Iranian official link to Al-Qaeda, whats wrong with that ? They are just, as they say in English, their piece of the pie i.e. Al-Qaeda is the favourite tool of the West in their policy towards Islamic countries and Iranians could use it too.
  • 01566
    The only anti terror support received from Pakistan was torture outsourcing. That we can all do without
  • zandeman
    From this very newspaper, two Fridays ago: 'Yadollah Javani, an official with the Revolutionary Guards, persisted last night in blaming Western and Israeli countries for the suicide attacks and claimed they had been implicated by "confessions" given by Abdolmalek Rigi before he was put to death. He said they "prove that America, Israel and some European countries are directly involved in the attacks".' However, also from the same story: 'The authorities have linked Jundollah to the al-Qa'ida network, a charge the rebel group denies, and has accused the US of backing it in order to create instability in the country, a charge Washington denies.' I think the Iranians need to make their minds up.
  • angie20102010
    Pakistan has serious problems and without the funding of billions from the UK and the USA it would be finished. I can understand you need to feel proud of your country but please open your eyes and your mind sometimes too. When the Bombay attacks happened Pakistan repeatedly were completely unhelpful and almost insane with their response. Now Cameron has made these comments again the ISI are chucking their toys out the pram. Its laughable.
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  • angie20102010
    You should work for the Pakistani Govt. Deny deny deny and go with all the conspiracy theories which are fantastical to say the least. No-one really trust's Pakistan anymore, it's reputation is tarnished - not that it had one in the first place.
  • Haha you are funny :)
  • zandeman
    That depends on whether you're talking about the organisation or the individual on trial. If he's any kind of terrorist leader, he'll have covered his trail. And if the ISI is behind him, I'm sure they will have helped.
  • And Rigi admitted he was being funded by the Americans. Did the Western media bother to mention that ? I bet no.
  • I would love that to happen. Pakistan should give a middle finger to UK and US and cut off all ties with them.
  • And it would be very stupid of the Pakistani government not to produce evidence against LeT in the court after it tells India it does have the evidence. Don't you think ??
  • ram2009
    The KLA and Jandulla are Anglo-American funded, created terrorist entities. The former paved the way for the bombing and break up of Yugoslavia, and the latter is to help do the same in Iran.
  • fwdinsight
    Well if you dont like the facts about what has been in the news, I would suggest you start watching the news, because what I say is correct and verifiable. Yahwehnews dot com
  • zandeman
    Well it's interesting that exactly a year ago Pakistan submitted an investigation report to the Indian government which said: "The investigation has established beyond any reasonable doubt that the defunct LeT activists conspired, abetted, planned, financed and established [the] communication network to carry out terror attacks in Mumbai."
  • fwdinsight
    Akiend well thats what I would expect seeing you have no knowledge nor have you checked it out. The full story is amazing.
  • If you know the truth.... The main accused ( by India ) for Mumbai attacks was Hafiz Saeed, the head of now banned Lashkar-e-Tayyaba. He was arrested, not on the basis of any evidence but international pressure, by the government and put on trial. He was then released by the court because there was NO evidence against him. 'There is real evidence' as you said. Why don't you, or someone who has it, bring it to open so the perpetrators can be punished ? Is that so hard to understand ???
  • Aliend
    Yes it is hilarious, how some of you pakistanis know how dangerous it is to court terrorists & the taliban, yet this is exactly what you are doing, playing a tricky game that will only hurt innocents while some will benefit from it. Pakistan is not that serious of combatting terrorism,i do remember a few times when India suffered because of pakistani terrorists, possibly sent by intelligence, trying to ignite a war with india & if it wasn't for the british & american outrage at your appeasment peace deal with taliban, which was ludicrous, your capital might have been engulfed in a civil war by now.
  • You feel like a guide pointing out danger ?? Why didn't you point out danger to Bush before he invaded Iraq and Afghanistan ? and at least to Blair not to join him ? you would have saved so many precious American and British lives..... You are seriously having a laugh !
  • Aliend
    so you get your insights from the bible...no wonder your post was full of rubbish & outrageous incidents, dream on buddy.
  • First of all, there is NO EVIDENCE of that. Why doesn't Cameroon hand over the evidence to Pakistani government then ? if he knows there are elements in ISI who support Taliban ???
  • fwdinsight
    Timspooner. You see I am probably a lot older than you plus people who know me usually ask me to undertake TV presentations because of my education by Yahweh including my 50 year passionate study of History, Current events and apologetics. Yahweh has allowed me to help and to have wriiten on many subjects, hold patents in Engineering, electronics for medical equipment, and other products, all of which have been exploited to employ and benefit many who were in rags with no hope in overseas areas, so they could eat and feed their families, pay rent and own their own cars and homes. Yahweh enabled me to do these things. I am just trying to warn about what the Bible says as I did on TV when I was able to also warn about the coming economic collapse which regrettably is still not over but probably still at the beginning phase. Most economic experts agree with that including Weiss, McAlvany and Reece Mogg in his book plus many others. . Many who saw those programs acknowledged the information and fore-knowledge however, many more were like you are, hostile and cast aspersions. It is because Yahweh has given me the insight, I have been able to reveal accurately the biblical revelation far in advance of what is going to happen and is why I have been asked to do these presentations. But here we are and the word of Yahweh was and is right. So maybe we should start looking into the Bible to find answers, as it says its message is for this generation who see all these things. Remember in the 18 and 1990's when it was clearly prophecied the return of the Jews and the return of Jerusalem from the Ottoman empire in Muslim year 1335/1917 the last year of Ottoman rule of Jerusalem by that Empire. It happened exactly on time to the very day and the very hour, freed by Allenby a Soldier of Israel. As prophecied it would be freed with no damage. This multipart prophecy with about 10 sections to be fulfilled, happened exactly as it said it would. In 1917 many read the Bible and there was an expectation that the multipart prophecy was about to be fulfilled. Oh! the Jews are back in Jerusalem something experts said could never happen. , However, things are now moving so fast and are so serious, I feel like a guide pointing out dangers, it is necessary to warn about what is coming, what is going to happen. It is unimportant to me whether you accept it or reject it. Most do reject and cast aspersions. That doesn't matter because that is how is was said it would be at this time. If it were any other way the prophecies would have failed. But out there, there are a very few who know things are wrong and just about to go pear shaped. As for the rest nothing can be done. Time is now very short so there is realy no time to argue. All you have to do is look it up. Vistit my web site where there is nothing to buy. YahwehNews dot Com The fact is the Bible is a record of the rise and fall of nations according to a very accurate time table. Just one prophecy for instance covered two eras, each fulfilled to the day and very hour. Each fulfillment initiated huge changes. Today, many like you appear to have turned their back on the Heavenly Father and his revelation, as a result you know not what you do. Many use foul language to express their views. Remember hundreds of scientists and Nobel prize winners who were recognized for their brilliance subscribed passionately to the bible view. Many of these men set up the basis of the present eras life styles we enjoy today. But that is all about to change. Some of these Men Like Dr Flew, a leading DNA/RNA expert who was a card carrying pagan and atheist all his life and was famous for his speeches attacking the biblical view, made headlines all over the planet when he said he had been wrong. DNA and RNA could not have happened without a higher intelligence. Pannin an eminent and well know Mathematician and literary critic who was a nihilist, changed his view when he discovered the Biblical numeric?s while trying to fulfill a contract to write a critique of the bible tearing it to pieces. This Harvard Dr and brilliant man changed his view when he realised the impossibilty of writing the bible to a Numeric sub rythm of 7 and 13's. Our nations are bankrupt. Thousands of banks have been identified by Weiss (who set up the famous Bank Rating Agency) as ready to go or are going bankrupt. Our nations are £trillions in Debt. Every man woman, child and baby in Britain now owe nearly £100,000.00 each in addition to mortgages, rent, car payments etc. Letst estimate put the financial disaster at between £3.8 and £4.8 trillion. Maybe if today?s leaders had done as our far more successful forefathers had done and looked into the bible, I and many others like me would not be saying to each other, ?can't they see what they are doing?? The very errors the bible says will happen when its message is rejected is happening. There are many, many incidents in history including recent history when this nation went to its knees and obvious disaster was averted. But leaders today are far too grand in their own eyes, are far too clever, too arrogant yet in reality they are fools leading our people and nation down the path of destruction. Yahwehnews dot com
  • Hahaha - No other comments !
  • Nasturtium
    Come on Ali. You know perfectly well that the Pakistani state has been training and deploying terrorists (you might call them freedom fighters?) across the border to India. You also know perfectly well that the ISI have been supporting the Taliban since the Soviet days and continue to do so. Yes, Pakistan is now suffering terribly at home from terrorism too - doesn't detract from the truth of what Ca-moron said.
  • snotcricket
    He dosen't have to accuse, there have been inteligence reports of late saying exactly that.
  • snotcricket
    Because tim one can eat spam but not your words.
  • pfbulmer
    I can understand the cancellation of the Pakistan Intelligence Agency visit . This is certainly not great timing for them but it does seem they are not part of the solution but part of the big , problem they need to get their house in order . From the public statements they are making they seem to be more important than the President or the Government of Pakistan which is highly unusual . It may well be that the ISI has become far too powerful and this is the time for it to be scaled down . I can quite understand why they government visit is going ahead hopefully the ISI can stop wagging Pakistan's tail !
  • Jon
    Cameron wants to be the future Churchill, they're probably even related
  • Kylo8
    What a load of over zelous war mungering. If you havn't forgotten already Tony Blare was 'fearless' in his qest to 'stand up' for british interests by securing the Iraqi oil and cutting off Iraqi aid to terrorists. Thats worked to make our country safer. Oh hang on NO it hasn't, we're now a target. Securing a strong dialogue with a country like Pakistan (and turkey, well done on that front) is essencial to securing our safty and the only hope to building a peaceful relationship. Im not saying give them whatever they want, but to make such irresposible comments, in India of all places is just plain stupid and shows true inexperiance. He might be able to get away with being strong on a controversial subject here but when it comes to international politics who knows what damage he's causing.
  • timspooner
    How come this SPAM gets through yet some of my comments do not?
  • collinbrown
    Telling the truth is rarely a profitable. I'm surprised DC didn't implement the tool of duplicity to secure the talks.
  • timspooner
    Prophecy and the word according to Yahweh. Well that's all we need to know then.............foreign policy by crystal ball. "MI5 and CIA have stated often enough that we are open to major Nuclear terror attack" : now where have we heard that before?
  • splatz
    This wont change anything. Pakistan will still need to work with the US, and to be frank, Cameron was only saying what everybody knows to be true. The fact is elements within the Pakistan intelligence service are working with the Taliban to kill British troops.
  • lux_interior
    Sounds as if John Prescott could have done a better job.Could somebody please explain the meaning of the word DIPLOMACY to Mr Cameron!
  • Nabi18
    please check out http://www.islamicsolutions.com/islam-the-peaceful-religion/
  • ali
    This was very unethical of British prime minister to accuse their allie publicaly of having contacts with Taliban. More than that it sounds funny to me that cant the british government see that we are the most suffering state of terrorism and still they believe that we have contacts with terrorists .... Hilarious! British PM should hold his tongue next time and should think before speaking in Public.
  • mind_ful
    Thanks Cameron. First reducing the anti-terror protection we will receive, now scuppering chances of working with Pakistan to reduce the risk. Great. Its lke the 5th form have taken over our government.
  • Derek_M
    It'll be interesting to see how this turns out, Cameron was probably right in what he said but whether he was right to say it publicly (or more particularly where he said it) is more difficult to judge. My betting is that in the long run it'll blow over but time will tell

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