Return of the sniper: How ancient skills are experiencing a modern renaissance in Afghanistan
Their deadly art was neglected for decades. But the pressures of modern warfare mean their ancient skills are needed on the frontline once more
KALPESH LATHIGRA
Snipers still wear the gamekeeper's Ghillie suit, now a mélange of camouflage netting, hessian and rope, entwined with the vegetation of the terrain
All around, the thunderous chatter of machine-gun fire mingles with the smoke of the mortars and the acrid stench of gunpowder. Some soldiers are bellowing battle orders; others strain to hear above the noise. The scene is chaotic but one thing is clear to all: the danger is imminent, the enemy close at hand.
Seemingly oblivious to the cacophony, however, two Lance Corporals crouch calmly amid the mêlée. Quietly, they exchange wind-speed, temperature, elevation and distance calculations. One holds a ferocious-looking, long-barrelled rifle. Focusing on the red glow of the crosshairs, he breathes out slowly and carefully squeezes the trigger.
The ear-splitting boom of the gun drowns out everything else as a wave of pressure reverberates backwards. A single brass casing spins through the air and clatters to the ground, dwarfing piles of smaller spent bullets.
And more than half a kilometre away the target drops. One shot, one kill – the sniper's way.
Today, these soldiers from the 3rd Battalion, The Rifles – who are training for Helmand on the ranges at Lydd in Kent – are only hitting two-dimensional targets. But within three months, their prey will be real – someone's father, someone's son, and a man as intent on killing them as they are on getting to him first. For in an era when pundits talk glibly of the impersonality of war, the bombs dropped by unmanned aircraft piloted by men in distant lands, and the computer-screen generation of combat, the ancient art of the sniper is experiencing a renaissance in Afghanistan. At a time when the defence budget is stretched to breaking point, the merits of a £3.75 sniper's bullet over a missile costing tens of thousands of pounds cannot have gone unnoticed either.
The first thing you learn is that it is a personal kill. The sniper, with his powerful scope, can literally see the whites of the enemy's eyes as he ends his life. Lance Corporal Jokini Sivoinauca remembers clearly the face of the third man he shot in Iraq. The 26-year-old soldier, a softly spoken, god-fearing Fijian, known as Sivo to his friends, would go on to be awarded the Military Cross for his bravery that day.
It was 15 February 2007 and, along with 24-year-old Lance Corporal Andrew Ball (snipers work in pairs: one spotter, who assigns the target, and one shooter), he had been tasked to help the Staffordshire Regiment, who were caught up in a battle that had raged for three hours in Basra's most lethal district. Outnumbered, the Brits were taking casualties. From their rooftop vantage point, the snipers spotted a team of three insurgents darting through the rabbit-warren of homes and alleys as they fired rocket-propelled grenades at British troops. Under intense fire, and injured himself, L/Cpl Sivoinauca picked them off one at a time, allowing other soldiers to reach safety. To this day, he remembers exactly what his targets were wearing and where the bullet struck them.
"When the second one went down I think the third assumed there was a sniper," he recalls. "I remember he turned around. I saw his face. He realised he was running towards us. He stopped and I hit him ..." He pauses, then adds: "People might say we get a kick out of it. No, we don't. I just had a sense of relief. I went to church afterwards. Some people disagree with what we do; we kill people. But what I take from my religious roots is that people have a right to defend themselves."
"As long as we are saving people on the ground we are doing what is right," adds L/Cpl Ball, the other half of his two-man team. After six years of living, fighting and partying together, they are so close they finish each other's sentences.
Equally, L/Cpl Sivoinauca insists they share the MC, the citation of which reads: "Sivoinauca led his colleagues with distinction and complete disregard for his own safety in spite of being wounded after he was shot in the chest, the round being stopped by his body armour. His conspicuous gallantry and leadership was beyond the call of duty."
But perhaps L/Cpl Sivoinauca's bravest act that day was to commit a sniper's cardinal sin and miss. As mortars began to land with increasing precision, he realised the lookout was a small boy of six or seven, relaying information on a mobile phone from another roof. "The two of us stared across at each other," he recalls. "He was scared, shaking. Every time he wanted to go back in through the curtain, they pushed him out. I turned the weapon on him, then to the side and fired two metres away. He just chucked the phone and ran. I have never regretted it. I have two little cousins the same age."
For years snipers were an underused luxury. But with the war in Iraq came an opportunity for them to come to the fore again. Commanders began to appreciate that they were a powerful set of eyes to collect intelligence on an enemy, or to eliminate him. More recently in Afghanistan, they have come into their own.
"Until we went into Iraq, lip service was paid to the art of the sniper," explains Major Mike Lynch, officer commanding C Company, 3 Rifles. "The last time we had used them properly was the Falklands. But to a commander there is no doubt that they add a lot of value."
The lethal force of fast jets and attack helicopters has proved a battle winner in Helmand but these weapons carry intense risk in a world where civilian casualties have become an ever-increasing bone of contention between the Afghan government and NATO forces. Commanders know that if they are to win over hearts and minds, they must be at pains not to destroy the world of their owners. As Major Lynch puts it, "Snipers do not damage buildings or threaten the security of the indigenous population. They are a fantastic asset."
A few weeks ago, on 9 May, two snipers from the 2nd Battalion, The Mercian Regiment, were called in to help troops pinned down by Taliban fire on three sides – with a known enemy sharpshooter on a rocky outcrop.
Private Kim Burden, age 25, and Private Stuart Warren, 22, saw a man moving towards them; he was clearly carrying an assault rifle but he was 724 metres away. The first shot landed right in front of him.
Pte Burden recalls: "I adjusted the sight and re-cocked the weapon. The insurgent had gone to ground. I waited for him to stand up again. I squeezed the trigger. Wozza said, 'That's a hit...'
"Thinking about it afterwards," he adds, "I don't feel much. It's a job in the end. It's either them, or one of us."
At his best – for in the British army, unlike in many others, only men are eligible – a sniper can devastate the morale of an enemy unit, an invisible force picking off senior figures slowly and steadily. But it is not a one-sided sport. The British have lost men to Iraqi sharpshooters and now have Taliban snipers to contend with, too.
In Basra, it was a mysterious "Albanian", whose modus operandi was so unique that the American army warned the British that he had moved south from Baghdad. "He would shoot out of a vehicle and drive away," recalls L/Cpl Ball. "He was so good that he hit people through the side of their Osprey [body armour]. He never hit anywhere else, only through the side. We heard there was someone in Bosnia with the same signature."
Today, the British face up to their enemy's weapon of choice – the Dragunov – with their most powerful rifle to date, the new L115 A3, part of an £11m Sniper System Improvement procurement contract. The "Long" or "A3" is, in army parlance, a "Gucci" piece of kit. Heavier and longer than its predecessor, the L96, its sights are 25 times more powerful than the human eye. Firing a larger 8.59mm bullet, it is less likely than the L96 to deflect at distance and has a confirmed "kill range" of 900m while providing "harassing fire" at 1,200m.
Each of these sensitive weapons is as unique as the man who fires it, zeroed to his requirements, its cheek piece adjusted for ultimate comfort. The slightest change, such as the added density of gloves, can throw out the weapon's settings. Soldiers are trained to breathe out before pulling the trigger. Some are even taught to shoot between heartbeats to minimise barrel motion.
Only the best shots in the army go through the intensive eight-week course. But these days most regiments take care to fill their full complement of 16-man platoons. Last year 180 soldiers went through the sniper wing of the Support Weapons School and there are now 608 snipers in the army, more than there have been for decades – though still less than 1 per cent of the force.
Lance Corporal John Cassell, ranked 59th in an army of 100,000 men, smiles: "When I was a kid, my mum said you are never having toy guns. It turned out a bit wrong."
To amuse themselves, snipers practise by aiming for the slim pole beneath a target or "drawing" smiley faces with bullets. Patently proud of their skills, they explain with a wry smile that the precision of their job makes them an easy target for other soldiers. Everybody can have a "bad day at work" but one shot missed and they are ribbed mercilessly.
Still, there is a palatable pride about these marksmen. Being picked for sniper training is a prize that takes some soldiers 15 years to achieve. Yet the very nature of the task requires a soldier who is neither trigger-happy nor arrogant but calm, blessed with boundless patience and maturity beyond his rank.
"We are the eyes and ears of the battle group," 29-year-old Corporal Lee McGinlay explains as he swigs coffee during operational training on a blustery day in Kent. "The CO [commanding officer] could be basing his plan – or bringing in indirect fire – around what a couple of [sniper] pairs may be saying."
"The CO could be talking to a Rifleman [Private] and smashing him with questions," chips in Sergeant Leon Henderson. "He has to understand the battle space. It could be a decision point that could turn a battle."
"A man could be the best shot on the course but if we believe that he does not have the right mental strength to make that moral judgement call we will return him to unit and fail him," Major Benedict Toomey, of the Support Weapons School in Warminster, Wiltshire, explains later. "It is a specialist discipline and they are trained and treated as such. It is not easy to take a man's life, whoever he may be, and we get them to understand that they must have the moral courage to question [a decision] if they feel it needs to be questioned."
Like other specialist frontline units, snipers work in small teams far from headquarters and like to stand apart. Traditionally, those living in the field were unkempt, shunning soap, the stench of which could give their hideout away. Today, they still revel in the scruffy, bearded status that separates them from their smartly turned-out comrades-in-arms. They are, one admits with a glint in his eye, the scourge of the Sergeant Major.
"We use names rather than ranks," explains Rifleman John Dugdale, 24. "We get left alone. We screw the nut and work harder."
Fully trained snipers must be able to operate with stealth, stalk invisibly through the natural cover of stream beds or dead ground, carrying heavy loads including shorter-range rifles and pistols, and endure sleepless days and nights of waiting.
Theirs is not a shot fired in haste. With the help of cards they calculate the distance, the deflection of wind or spindrift, the effect of a heat mirage. The higher the temperature or altitude, the faster a bullet travels.
As they wait, they draw elaborate sketches of the landscape so that any change that might give away an enemy position is immediately obvious. For light relief, they play "eye spy".
They learn not to leave the slightest trace of their presence, every bit of rubbish – even bodily functions – must be collected and taken away. Flattened grass, broken twigs or gunpowder residue must all be dealt with. Three rounds and they move on.
"They say women make better snipers because they are more patient," explains Lance Corporal Michael Flanagan, age 22, adding that many Russian snipers in the Second World War were females, the most successful of whom was Lieutenant Lyudmila Pavlichenko with 309 confirmed kills to her name.
The historical perspective is useful, for while the weapons may be modern, the sniper's skills are centuries old: the title is said to refer to early hunters, patient and skilled enough to catch the elusive snipe bird.
The first army snipers were the Lovat Scouts, a Highland regiment of gamekeepers who saw service in the Second Boer War before gaining recognition for their sharpshooting skills in 1916. Major Frederick Russell Burnham, who commanded them, referred to them as "half wolf and half jackrabbit". To this day, snipers still wear the gamekeeper's Ghillie suit, now a mélange of camouflage netting, hessian and rope, entwined with the vegetation of the terrain. The final effect is that of a verdant Yeti, invisible the moment he lies in the undergrowth. The weapon itself is concealed with camouflage paint and local earth but nothing can hide the glint of the sights.
It is exactly for that reason that the legendary sniper, Gunnery Sergeant Carlos Hathcock, made his most outstanding kill. An Arkansas boy who had hunted from childhood to feed his poor family, he achieved mythical status during two tours of Vietnam for his skill and the white feather he wore in his hat to taunt the North Vietnamese army. His most famous accomplishment was to hit an enemy sniper through the eye after seeing the light glint off his scope. It was only later he pondered the fact that the two adversaries must have been zeroed precisely on each other for him to achieve such a shot. For 35 years, he also held the record for the longest combat kill (2,286 metres) until Canadian Corporal Rob Furlong achieved a shot of 2,430 metres in Afghanistan in 2002.
Another name mentioned with reverence is that of Russian Captain Vasily Zaytsev, a Navy clerk who volunteered to fight in the 1942 Battle of Stalingrad and who amassed 242 confirmed kills, as well as an equal number of unverified hits. He soon became a Russian propaganda tool and his painstaking stalking of a German sniper was finally immortalised in the largely fictional film Enemy at the Gates.
But the scenario in which snipers are left to their own devices, a team of two behind enemy lines, is no longer feasible in 21st-century Afghanistan where they now travel with reconnaissance teams. They have a list of high-value targets – enemy commanders, mortar teams, heavy machine guns and snipers – and they know that the Taliban have a wish list of their own. They cannot afford to be isolated and ambushed.
Nor can they afford to hesitate or to question their belief that to take a life can save a life. "There should be no regrets when you pull that trigger," explains Lance Corporal Flanagan. "You can definitely confirm that what you are shooting at is someone who should be shot at."
It's this belief that is central to the sniper's art, and which sustains them in a lonely, lethal and highly demanding business. As Corporal McGinlay puts it: "If you thought about it too much, you would pause and miss your shot. Your target is there, you shoot it and move to the next. If you kill them, it is one less fighter and somewhere down the line you are going to save one of your muckers' lives."
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Two can play at that game, as the anonymous shill who was paid to write this worthless crap would have known if he were a journalist:
The most famous sniper of the Yank/Brit oil wars against Muslims:
Juba the Baghdad sniper
Video frame of Abu Ghraib prison guard killed by Juba
Iraqi soldier at checkpoint killed by Juba.
The recent Marine "hold and build" operation in Helmand will present ideal targets for Taliban snipers as US soldiers come out of their armored vehicles and attempt to permanently secure roads & win over the locals. Obomber is repeating Bush's most elementary mistakes.
The second shot did not kill the American soldier. The shot hit armour plated glass.
The Iraqi soldier was murdered when a pair on a scooter drove by and shot him. The pair were later caught further down by a Police patrol approaching them.
The differential in tactics is always going to be prohibitive towards the coalition forces, as they have to obey laws and rules for engagement, contact, dress and environment.
The coalition do not use civilians as shields, the terrorists do.
The coalition do not use "squash head" ammunition, the terrorists do.
The coalition do not use booby traps which injure civilians as well as soldiers, the terrorists do.
The coalition snipe armed terrorists, yet the terrorists murder unarmed civil employees, school teachers, doctors etc.
Terrorists are cowards, the coalition are not
Inshallah, Allah will have his vengeance against the Kaffirs who purport to be Martyrs and freedom fighters, acting on behalf of Muslims worldwide. They are nothing of the sort. Nowhere would Muslims behave like this, and it is not in the Quran or the teachings of Islam to take a fellow Muslims life.
The coalition do not use "squash head" ammunition, the terrorists do.
The coalition do not use booby traps which injure civilians as well as soldiers, the terrorists do.
The coalition snipe armed terrorists, yet the terrorists murder unarmed civil employees, school teachers, doctors etc."
As someone who knows possibly a fair bit more about this than maybe you do, I can assure you that American soldiers commit the above 4 sections frequently, I have known fellow soldiers file, mitre and score bullets which is highly illegal whilst American forces use bullets ranging from mercury tipped to dum dum and ALL coalition forces can be charged with indiscriminate targeting in both Iraq and Afghanistan.
The tactic in both theatres has always been "shoot first, see what you have shot afterwards" and whilst the British have been far more disciplined and restrained, they are still guilty of some acts that have enraged the local populace.
Your comment falls short I am afraid because the guerrilla forces in Afghanistan and Iraq do not use uniforms and therefore indistinguishable from the civilian next to them, hence why so many innocent people get killed.
And lastly, I would remind you that both the British and Americans have used willy-nilly depleted uranium munitions, white phosphorous in civilian areas and exceptional amounts of smoke canister that can also kill.
You mention "fellow soldiers" as if you are, or were military, this i can neither verify or discount, however, your description of munitions leans me towards the latter. If you are\were military, is that what reinforces your comment "As someone who knows possibly a fair bit more about this than maybe you do"? This is a sentence ending in possible subterfuge, such as "I could tell you, but then i may have to kill you".
All of your posts seem to be to the far left in there reading, without any real alternative view, other than you appear to have a real hatred for the US, a real built up anger with no viable form of outlet other than forum boards. Your comment of DONT YOU DARE, lead me to this conclusion of inner rage. A person who relies on others to concur with his views, building up "trusted" friends who adhere to what he has to say, but when challenged can become myopic and unable to see beyond the end of their own nose.
I saw the news report on the news of the wedding which was struck by a Predator fired missile, and this is abhorent, and i also saw the news report where the Taliban in the Swat valley stoned a young female to death. One can be described as a tragic error, the other deliberate murder. I will let you decide which is which.
It is far to easy to search the iternet and post views from radicle blogs either for or against a particular issue. Gaza and Israel civilians killed. Muslims are terrosists. BNP are fascists. UAF speech gaggers. Police act as SS. National Guard are there to control the civil populace. America blew up the Twin Towers. Man never landed on the moon. Aliens live among us. If you believe in a particular interste passionately, you will undoubtedly be inclined only to explore the positive of that interest. It is sadly proven human psychy.
The list is endless, but sorting fact from fiction, and being able to discuss issues from both sides is the only way to get to the truth, not by venting anger or threats.
Inshalla you will find an inner calm and can live at peace with yourself.
I don't hate the US, I hate what the US as a collective state does, I despise its double standards, the corruption it spreads to attain its self serving goals, the way it uses nations and people to fuel that self serving arrogance.
Yes I am angry, I get angered by people who sit there extolling the "evils" of one side and dismissing the equal evils of their own, you say the Predator was a tragic error? Strange how week after week these same tragic errors keep occurring, once is a tragic error, twice maybe but week in, week out? I think not. Nor do I hear anywhere in that condemnation say of Saudi Arabia who stone and behead people, Jordon, Egypt or other countries who as "friends" of the West can get away with what the Taleban cannot.
And this is borne out with Uzbekistan, as even now the US and UK are quietly courting them in the hope that they can get their bases back, never mind the people boiled alive eh?
"but when challenged can become myopic and unable to see beyond the end of their own nose" I am sorry but that had to make me laugh, seriously, do you even realise what you were writing there? Comparing my myopia to the various comments of yours would lead me to think you are more in need of a "reality opthalmist" than I, you made good points on what the Taleban are about but who gave the Taleban the power to do what they do?
To indicate a level of the depravity of the west, I must remind of a fevered battle going on right now in Washington, to keep suppressed pictures from Abu Graihb, where young boys were being raped whilst American and British people looked on, in some cases according to witnesses, egging the perpetrators on in this grisly, disgusting deed, it's not all about Lindsay England and forcing Iraqi's to bugger each other, but children?
We can move over to Israel and similar incidence, videos on Youtube of elderly Palestinian women being beaten into the mud by settlers whilst IDF soldiers do nothing except laugh and joke, of the BBC crew at a Palestinians house accosted by drunken Israeli's shouting out about how they killed Jesus and were going to F*** the crew members children til they died... we hear daily about the holocaust and the victim hood of Israel, we hear nothing of IDF snipers killing Palestinian children for fun and the sadism meted out on a people that live in abject despair.
I am a strong believer of justice, I will shout out when my own country is committing atrocity, I was at the very same rally that saw the police murder Blair Peach, I was living not far away when the police killed a black man in the cells then wondered why the whole of Brixton blew up, yes the Taleban (US created) and Al Qaeda (US created) do commit atrocity against their own, I have never ever spoken against that fact but their crimes PALE in comparison to those of America, Israel, Britain... And when I see someone dwell on those of the lesser side and blatantly ignore the evil doings of their own... then I shout some more.
Oh and a FYI, just in case you want to "come and kill me", I held my crossed rifles throughout my tenure and I passed my CTC at Lympstone amongst things, I am not allowed to speak even now of what else I did but I really am an expert when it comes to soldiering... I wish you luck.
Places like the citadel are common to you then!
And as for this remark:"Oh and a FYI, just in case you want to "come and kill me", I held my crossed rifles". If this is meant to scare me it takes a little more than that. If it is meant to imply I have threatened you, if you read back you will find I have not. If it is a off the cuff remark, perhaps you should think twice about what you say. One nutter came from Germany to kill a Brit over comments on a game site. As the old saying goes "Be careful what you wish for".
From what you have revealed so far I have come to the conclusion that you were a Marine Cadet, trained with the old .303 Lee Enfield converted to a .22, and after leaving school, you tried (or fantacised) joining the Royal Marines and failed miserably. Very professional soldiering.
Andy McNab, Chris Ryan, Johnny Howard, even David Shayler of MI5 have written books disclosing their past exploits, but your past life is so secretive if you dare breathe a word of it "you will be taken out"!
You, my dear Sir, are a Walt.
I suggest you get some serious help for your personality disorder, stop reading the communist propoganda, look at yourself in the mirror, and seriously take that step towards change.
Reading your post, i thought i would look at the probable source of your information, and yes, everything you have mentioned is on YouTube, uploaded by people with the same radical comments. Not exactly a glowing reference for resource material.
Next, you said you were at the same rally when Blair Peach was killed, and just around the corner when it kicked off in Brixton (which by the way you fail to mention about PC Keith Blakelock who had his head cut off by a black looter), but these events were I believe in the mid to late seventies, so you are as i said, a Walt, or you have been indoctrinated into the Communist extreme Socialist clicke.
By logic my points add up if you have achieved so much since that time. You must have a nuclear powered zimmer frame by now to be so active at protests, and for your continued effort i applaud you.
I am glad that you at least accept that the girl in the Swat Valley was murdered, and as sad as it was, i cannot find "daily occurences" of Predator strikes hitting the wrong target as you suggest. There have been some very creditable strikes, such as the one on the Madras that was training armed terrorists, filmed and sent back to the head shed for clarification, and taken out with pin point accuracy. Later on the Taliban show bodies of the "young innocents" killed during prayer, but no weapons this time! Amazing.
Trying to debate as many issues that you suggest is counter productive to a solution as different conflicts have differing elements fuelling them, so i would suggest you try this angle.
Please think seriously about speaking to someone relating to your anger issues, they are not healthy for you, they can be detremental to relationships, and may land you in seriious trouble if they manifest in public.
In Shallah you will see enlightenment soon.
Jackanory was also a programme that broadcast fantasy.
In the meantime i should be happy you are so old!!!!! so as not to be a threat in the future, i would hate to be in your sights.
Good luck with any therapy you seek.
Inshallah you will see the light soon.
A true coward's game you mean.
Snipers are the lowest form of life on earth.
I would contend that a lower form of life on earth is the bedroom 'sniper', taking shots from the comfort of their own sweaty cesspit at their PC, in this sense; if you were even half the man these soldiers are you might not have posted this snide comment.
What would you prefer, IED's blowing up innocent people as well as soldiers?
How about suicide bombers walking into a packed market place and slaughtering innocent babies, men and women?
No, not to your liking, how about the kidnapping of civil employees of the government, the serving Police officers and soldiers of the country, the teachers being lined up and having their heads cut off, or if they are lucky, being shot in the back of the head?
Still not to your liking, how about young girls who have tried to gain an education having acid thrown in their face, being shot, or even worse, having petrol forced down their throat and a pterol soaked rag put into their mouth and ignited?
So you think death is a game? How about you do some research into the truth before posting such leftist, knuckle dragging comments?
Snipers are far from the lowest form of life, they are by virtue used predominantly intelligence gathering roles, unlike the terrorists, who take active roles to kill.
What of the 14 year old girl forced to watch her family executed then repeatedly raped by US soldiers and when finished a double tap to the head?
Or of Aegis contractors driving round Baghdad unloading their magazines including killing a small boy at the roadside on one of their drive throughs?
American soldiers dumping bodies into water supplies in places like Sadr City? Dumping bodies into rivers etc?
Or you want to take it further eh? You going to explain to the boys and girls in here what the SAS were doing with a car booby trapped into a massive bomb, dressed as arabs with a boot full of RPG's and automatic weapons and upon discovery instead of identifying themselves, murdered several Iraqi officers? Lets hear an explanation what the coalition were doing driving a huge car bomb like that for?
You are very very good at highlighting what they have done, you are most recalcitrant at pointing out that our forces have committed as bad or far far worse...
Now go take your Bush lovin' propaganda elsewhere, no one will ever buy into your view that we are the good guys and they are just brown scum.
The only coward is someone like you who is happy to insult others but not prepared to get into that situation yourself. No doubt your into peace marches. Maybe you would think differently if someone shot your kid in the street? As its easy to have an opinion when your not amongst it.
You sound like one of those guys who believes that in war, you should stand up tall and shoot away and let your enemies pick you off if they can because in such instance, in your little mind only is it 'fair'.
Sorry kid, you'd be the first one picked off. You'd never get past boot camp.
American may accept rape, and murder as acceptable, normal, useful, but I, (the Afghan still) look at my daughter, and say no, not this time, not my village, not my daughter, not while I have life in my body, and bullets left..
I load my rifle. Allah Akbar
So you imagine your daughter, pictured in your minds eye,
with her face melted away, distorted into a grotesque form you no longer recognise because of the acid that has been thrown upon her flesh, all because her face was not covered by the niqab
or
her body, laying face down on the street, with half her head blown away, because she wanted to get out of the dark ages and receive an education,
or
your darling little daughter who has had either her hand, arm, fingers, toes, leg or even nose cut off, because she dared to accept aid from the "enemy", by having her scabs, sores or cuts treated,
no, that is all to far fetched isn't it?
Well no it is not fiction. These are atrocities carried out by the Taliban throughout Afghanistan. Allah Akbar
I do not like Hamas.
However, my Government is my business, Bombing my villages will not help me. Should Russia, China, Iran or the EU bomb our city's over Guantanamo or Iraq?
Whynotnews.org
Even in Gaza, we Muslims have Syrians, Arabians, Europeans, Iranians etc, all saying they are fighting the Muslim cause. No they are not. They are fighting for their own ideological, radical beliefs in what Islam should be.
Hamas banned dancing, singing, even free speech and if anyone dared to oppose them they took violent action. Look at when they attacked and killed supporters of Fatah.
Bombing of villages is never ethical, but again, these terrorists bring death to the villagers by hiding, like the cowards they are, in their midsts ready to attack coalition forces. They have even set villages up to be bombed deliberately for propoganda value. Criminal.
It was wrong for Hamas to fire rockets into Israel breaking the peace they had, it was also wrong for Israel to mount a major military offensive in a populated area.
I thought you would know better than to use that old catch22 "It was against terrorists suppressing the people right"?
You say you have been to Gaza, so you are aware of the many differing political factions, who can be as close as a few blocks away, disagreeing with each other and end up fighting. Who would you consider as the terrorist suppressing the people?
No one wins in war but the arms manufacturers.
Agreed
These are some of the atrocities committed by the US on a daily basis.
So don't you DARE moralise on the things they do and IGNORE what we do, it is THEIR country not ours and we are murdering innocent people over there, innocent people that have never raised a hand in anger against the west.
And remember too, before 2001, the US were the PAYMASTERS of those same people you highlight in your comment, they didn't say a bloody thing when the Taleban were working for the CIA, they didn't care when Al Qaeda were taking billions of bloody dollars and butchering Russians, oh no, more double standards and hypocrisy.
Go look at what the US did to Fallujah, where kids had the skin melting from their bones, they couldn't escape because the US Marines had set a cordon round the whole area, forced back to die in the most horrific manner.
The Taleban may do these things but they don't try and tell you at the same time they are moralistic, lovers of freedom and democracy.
hasbara is a Zionist apologist outfit..
I am a Vermonter, American.
I was in Gaza with the Gazans, invited by the UN on a Peace Delegation to survey the Humanitarian Catastrophe left by American Made Zionist Fired Bombs
As a Patriot and one affected by the Holocaust, to see us Violate the Geneva Conventions, and our own laws in such a manner is deeply shameful.
In no way am I hasbara, I stand with Palestine. Thank you very much, for the same reasons stated in my first post.
In the Quran verse 17:104:
And thereafter We (meaning Allah) said to the Children of Israel:
'Dwell securely in the Promised Land. And when the last warning will come to pass, we will gather you together in a mingled crowd.'"
Inshallah Peace
Grow up and try and learn somthing will you.
Ignorant closed minds like yours are what cause and maintain conflict throughout the world.
It is blind support of such regimes as the US that keeps the conflicts maintained in this planet, the US lied, lied and lied to start the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, Afghanistan was nothing to do with 9/11 but plenty to do with grabbing control for oil pipelines and the opium harvest, Hussein never had WMD and he had outlawed Al Qaeda in Iraq several years before but it didn't stop the lying bastard Americans with lying bastard cronies like Blair in tow sidestepping that as glibly as you sidestep what the coalition forces have done there.
Explain how, with the Taleban in control of Afghanistan, who had outlawed opium production, that with the Americans now in control, how opium production has increased a thousandfold? I'm not suggesting for a moment that the US is running drugs.... but hold on, wasn't that what they were doing in Vietnam? To pay for their illegal wars? For those not understanding my point, there are quite a few sites out there linking the Iran-Contra scandal...
I will end this conversation with you now, as you obviously spend too much time on the internet looking for conspiracies where there are none.
Don't look behind your shoulder I am not there it is just your imagination.
Ishallah you will have a good nights rest brother.
With such skills as yours on the internet why live with a mind full of hatred?
Inshallah Allah grants you peace.