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The Kim Jong-il that Clinton met was a fake, says academic

Japanese professor claims communist dictator has been replaced after dying in 2003

By Rupert Cornwell in Washington

Bill Clinton met Kim Jong-il in Pyongyang in August but there is strong evidence that the North Korean leader has used lookalikes in the past

REUTERS / KCNA

Bill Clinton met Kim Jong-il in Pyongyang in August but there is strong evidence that the North Korean leader has used lookalikes in the past

Was it Kim Jong-il? Or was it a fake North Korean leader that entertained Bill Clinton on that mission to Pyongyang to retrieve the two imprisoned American journalists?

In the absence of fact, the Hermit Kingdom has long been a free-fire zone for outlandish rumour. And they got more outlandish than ever after Mr Kim reputedly suffered a stroke in August 2008. Mr Kim was variously said to be close to death, about to be toppled by a coup, or desperately fixing the succession for his youngest son. Or was he really someone else?

The mainstay of the Kim-is-fake cottage industry is a Japanese university professor called Toshimitsu Shigemura, who once claimed that the real Mr Kim died in 2003, and that everything since has been make-believe. One Mr Kim, he maintains, even flatly confessed to a Japanese visitor, "I am a double."

The Clinton visit in August had Mr Shigemura's alarm bells ringing again, when the former President was pictured alongside a far healthier looking Mr Kim than the wan and feeble Great Leader seen after North Korea test-fired a long range missile on April 5 2009. "They were totally different people," Mr Shigemura asserted to the Christian Science Monitor this week.

Most experts can't quite believe the North would have sent out a bogus Kim to spend more than three hours in Mr Clinton's company, including what the North's official media called 75 minutes of "exhaustive" private talks.

But evidence that he sometimes uses doubles is strong. Did the man who reportedly had a stroke 14 months ago really make 122 visits this year to factories, state-run farms, military bases and the rest, as logged by the media – to prove, presumably, that Mr Kim was alive, well and very much in charge?

A double, or doubles, are "possible", Choi Jin-Wook, a specialist at the Korea Institute of National Reunification told the Monitor. "These dictators always need lookalikes for national security reasons. Kim Jong-il is giving 'on the spot guidance' too often for his health."

Fakery moreover is nothing new for totalitarian regimes. The Soviet Union was doctoring photos from its very earliest days. Saddam Hussein is known to have made much use of doubles; so too, it is said (albeit on somewhat flimsier evidence), did Hitler and Stalin. And was it not once rumoured that Paul McCartney has been played by an impersonator ever since he "died" in 1986?

In fiction, even the US is not immune. In the 1993 hit movie Dave a temp agency manager who happens to be a doppelganger of the US President is drafted into the job by a scheming White House aide when the real president has a stroke. So might Bill Clinton not really have been Bill Clinton?

And what ruler would not use doubles on occasion if he or she had the chance? Who wants to attend the boring factory ribbon-cuttings and dreary conferences a democratically elected leader must endure? How nice to be able to send a lookalike and focus on things that really matter, like grooming one's son as successor.

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[info]mackname wrote:
Saturday, 31 October 2009 at 01:23 am (UTC)

Well, you just tell me what is not fake!
The important thing is that ‘show must go on’.
PyongYong in Double Game?
[info]kisakhani wrote:
Saturday, 31 October 2009 at 04:35 am (UTC)
No wonder Bill Clinton could get those two journalists released without a fight. I am just wondering if Cheney has
managed to find his double?
Re: PyongYong in Double Game?
[info]littleglimmer wrote:
Saturday, 31 October 2009 at 03:55 pm (UTC)
I think Blair's chances of King of Europe are severely hampered by his frequent public appearances as Leader of the Conservative Party.
Doubles
[info]victhebrit wrote:
Saturday, 31 October 2009 at 04:46 am (UTC)
You... you mean Gordon could actually be holed up in rehab somewhere while his doppelganger attempts to to lose the next election?
Kim Jong-Il a fake?
[info]largespider wrote:
Saturday, 31 October 2009 at 06:28 am (UTC)
This 'fake' leader story has been used for decades to discredit anti-US leaders. They said it about Tito (Yugoslavia) and Hoxha (Albania), both of whose appearance changed dramatically over the course of their reign (in the latter case due to illness). We heard the same story about Saddam.
Re: Kim Jong-Il a fake?
[info]eurobritish wrote:
Saturday, 31 October 2009 at 12:10 pm (UTC)
Was it Saddam who was tried and hanged one wonders, is he still alt large scheming his comeback?
CLINTON AND JONG-IL ARE BOTH FAKES
[info]sidsnot wrote:
Saturday, 31 October 2009 at 07:45 am (UTC)
In fact, tell me about a politician who isn't a fake. They are all puppets dancing their ritual dance before the people stupid enough to vote for them.
Re: CLINTON AND JONG-IL ARE BOTH FAKES
[info]eurobritish wrote:
Saturday, 31 October 2009 at 12:11 pm (UTC)
Was it Saddam who was tried and hanged one wonders, is he still at large scheming his comeback?
Re: CLINTON AND JONG-IL ARE BOTH FAKES
[info]eurobritish wrote:
Saturday, 31 October 2009 at 12:13 pm (UTC)
Rupert Murdoch has had them all cloned and programmed in his imade......
News
[info]natefitzgerald wrote:
Saturday, 31 October 2009 at 09:30 am (UTC)
I, in fact, used a double to read this fascinating story. Saved 3 precious minutes of my life that otherwise would have been wasted. http://love-of-turnips.blogspot.com/
Don't rule anything out
[info]frase33 wrote:
Saturday, 31 October 2009 at 09:51 am (UTC)
Just like the FAKE Bin laden used in the "confession" tapes the US happened to FIND in a house in Afghanistan.......
Don't rule anything out....
Apparently Saddam Hussein had around 6 doubles....
The real one is probably in a bunker with Osama and Michael Jackson...
So it was a fake Clinton with Lewinsky then...
[info]sketchley wrote:
Saturday, 31 October 2009 at 10:54 am (UTC)
Obviously! To be honest, who gives a damn?
Re: So it was a fake Clinton with Lewinsky then...
[info]eurobritish wrote:
Saturday, 31 October 2009 at 12:14 pm (UTC)
Hope the fake Cinton enjoyed his time as president......
(no subject) - [info]bingyu73 - Saturday, 31 October 2009 at 01:08 pm (UTC) Expand
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[info]prof_use wrote:
Saturday, 31 October 2009 at 09:51 pm (UTC)
HEY INDY, THIS IS SPAM ABUSE

CAN YOU BAN THIS PIECE OF S***
they were both fakes
[info]tominlondon wrote:
Saturday, 31 October 2009 at 02:30 pm (UTC)
That wasn't the real Bill Clinton either.
John Major
[info]tominlondon wrote:
Saturday, 31 October 2009 at 02:35 pm (UTC)
Was there ever a real John Major? Did anyone ever see him?
[info]voodoojedizin wrote:
Saturday, 31 October 2009 at 02:54 pm (UTC)
The same was said about Saddam Hussein, remember the Americans said he used doubles all the time. Of course they lied about everything.

The only problem with that statement, is where are they? After all the years in a Iraq, no one has seen, what was supposed to be dozens of look Alikes.

The same can be said about the Cuban leader, and his health also.
Remember the newspapers going on and on about him being dead, some even suggested a look alike was being used for him. It turned out he wasn't dead, infection is alive and well and just recently someone said he never looked healthier.

What is it about western news media? That seems to never tire at demonizing people that don't think the way we do.
huh?
[info]baileysdad wrote:
Saturday, 31 October 2009 at 10:39 pm (UTC)
The wheels on this article fall right off in the last sentence of the third to last paragraph all the way to the end. Was the writer just trying to fill a word quota or what?
next
[info]mackname wrote:
Sunday, 1 November 2009 at 12:12 am (UTC)
tata ta
Blair playing Double?
[info]kisakhani wrote:
Sunday, 1 November 2009 at 05:59 am (UTC)
littleglimmer,I thought Tony Blair wore Labour jeans and not Conservative suit.What! has he been telling the folks
in EU that he heads the Conservative party,what a sham? no
doubt the French and Germans clearly opposed him for the EU Presidency.
[info]ginstick wrote:
Sunday, 1 November 2009 at 06:22 am (UTC)
The only problem with that statement, is where are they? After all the years in a Iraq, no one has seen, what was supposed to be dozens of look Alikes.

Hiding probably. Or in another country with a different haircut. The last thing you'd want as a former double of "El Presidente" is some trigger happy nutter thinking they've just seen the former President.


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